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ZMythos 06/02/17 12:18:23 PM #1:	There's overwhelming evidence that supports human activity having a negative affect on the environment and global climate, yet there are sects of people that actively deny or challenge these facts. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:880273635] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote>There's overwhelming evidence that supports human activity having a negative affect on the environment and global climate, yet there are sects of people that actively deny or challenge these facts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Blighboy 06/02/17 12:22:02 PM #3:	ZMythos posted... There's overwhelming evidence that supports human activity having a negative affect on the environment and global climate, yet there are sects of people that actively deny or challenge these facts. People don't trust Fox News and CNN because they express opinions in their reporting, but are willing to believe scientists who are explicitly paid based on how much evidence they can provide for "climate change"? lol ok --- http://i.imgur.com/1s20Mw5.gif <cite>Blighboy posted [p:880273835] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZMythos posted...</cite> <quote>There's overwhelming evidence that supports human activity having a negative affect on the environment and global climate, yet there are sects of people that actively deny or challenge these facts.</quote> People don't trust Fox News and CNN because they express opinions in their reporting, but are willing to believe scientists who are explicitly paid based on how much evidence they can provide for "climate change"? lol ok</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SoIidLegacy 06/02/17 12:27:25 PM #4:	Blighboy posted... ZMythos posted... There's overwhelming evidence that supports human activity having a negative affect on the environment and global climate, yet there are sects of people that actively deny or challenge these facts. People don't trust Fox News and CNN because they express opinions in their reporting, but are willing to believe scientists who are explicitly paid based on how much evidence they can provide for "climate change"? lol ok Pretty much everyone who does a job is paid in one way or another. Using that as an argument kind of comes down to 'true objectivity doesn't exist, therefor it's no use to debate literally anything'. --- Literally, objectively, universally. <cite>SoIidLegacy posted [p:880274129] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blighboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ZMythos posted...</cite> <quote>There's overwhelming evidence that supports human activity having a negative affect on the environment and global climate, yet there are sects of people that actively deny or challenge these facts.</quote> People don't trust Fox News and CNN because they express opinions in their reporting, but are willing to believe scientists who are explicitly paid based on how much evidence they can provide for "climate change"? lol ok</quote> Pretty much everyone who does a job is paid in one way or another. Using that as an argument kind of comes down to 'true objectivity doesn't exist, therefor it's no use to debate literally anything'.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArchiePeck 06/02/17 12:29:44 PM #5:	Poor education and/or side with greedy rich old white businessmen. After all, fossil fuel company stock dividends are more important than the long-term future of the **ing planet. <cite>ArchiePeck posted [p:880274247] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote>Poor education and/or side with greedy rich old white businessmen. After all, fossil fuel company stock dividends are more important than the long-term future of the **ing planet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 06/02/17 12:34:21 PM #6:	ZMythos posted... There's overwhelming evidence that supports human activity having a negative affect on the environment and global climate And I'm sure that you're a scientist who has reviewed said evidence and the methodology used to obtain such evidence. I really can't stand all these armchair scientists today. I don't even deny climate change. In all likelihood it's absolutely caused by humans. However I know that I don't know wtf the actual science says, and I have no idea who to trust about it. There's literally billions of dollars at stake in the debate and people will lie to their deathbed to secure even a fraction of it. --- woof <cite>Howl posted [p:880274493] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZMythos posted...</cite> <quote>There's overwhelming evidence that supports human activity having a negative affect on the environment and global climate</quote> And I'm sure that you're a scientist who has reviewed said evidence and the methodology used to obtain such evidence. I really can't stand all these armchair scientists today. I don't even deny climate change. In all likelihood it's absolutely caused by humans. However I know that I don't know wtf the actual science says, and I have no idea who to trust about it. There's literally billions of dollars at stake in the debate and people will lie to their deathbed to secure even a fraction of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nowhereman24 06/02/17 12:37:27 PM #7:	I think climate change exists but I don't think that it is this imminent catastrophe that it is always made out to be. For years and years we keep getting told some big prediction about the environment and how we are finished and again and again those predictions turn out to be false. <cite>Nowhereman24 posted [p:880274665] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote>I think climate change exists but I don't think that it is this imminent catastrophe that it is always made out to be. For years and years we keep getting told some big prediction about the environment and how we are finished and again and again those predictions turn out to be false.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 06/02/17 12:41:54 PM #9:	shockthemonkey posted... I found a dumbass No, you found Bligh --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:880274916] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>I found a dumbass </quote> No, you found Bligh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 06/02/17 12:42:05 PM #10:	Because facts hold no place when politics get involved. A certain party decided they'd rather fill their pockets even if it comes at a detriment to the world. Then the brainless masses that follow them because "I h8 the other team!" Fall for the bull shit and fully believe it's a hoax. <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:880274932] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote>Because facts hold no place when politics get involved. A certain party decided they'd rather fill their pockets even if it comes at a detriment to the world. Then the brainless masses that follow them because "I h8 the other team!" Fall for the bull shit and fully believe it's a hoax.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 06/02/17 12:43:20 PM #11:	Nowhereman24 posted... I think climate change exists but I don't think that it is this imminent catastrophe that it is always made out to be. For years and years we keep getting told some big prediction about the environment and how we are finished and again and again those predictions turn out to be false. No one is saying the world will end next week due to it. We know it'll be years and years out. But we know it will happen and we can prevent it from happening if we start early, now... <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:880275004] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nowhereman24 posted...</cite> <quote>I think climate change exists but I don't think that it is this imminent catastrophe that it is always made out to be. For years and years we keep getting told some big prediction about the environment and how we are finished and again and again those predictions turn out to be false.</quote> No one is saying the world will end next week due to it. We know it'll be years and years out. But we know it will happen and we can prevent it from happening if we start early, now...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sanktu_Vyvorant 06/02/17 12:45:00 PM #12:	Howl posted... ZMythos posted... There's overwhelming evidence that supports human activity having a negative affect on the environment and global climate And I'm sure that you're a scientist who has reviewed said evidence and the methodology used to obtain such evidence. I really can't stand all these armchair scientists today. I don't even deny climate change. In all likelihood it's absolutely caused by humans. However I know that I don't know wtf the actual science says, and I have no idea who to trust about it. There's literally billions of dollars at stake in the debate and people will lie to their deathbed to secure even a fraction of it. Do you... not know what science is...? Like the shit that they prove can be looked st by anyone and understood by anyone (if you take the time to try to understand it of course) That's like the entire purpose of science. I'm really confused as to what point you're attempting to make here --- "You know that NATO didn't exist before 9/11, right?" - Mal_Fet <cite>Sanktu_Vyvorant posted [p:880275082] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ZMythos posted...</cite> <quote>There's overwhelming evidence that supports human activity having a negative affect on the environment and global climate</quote> And I'm sure that you're a scientist who has reviewed said evidence and the methodology used to obtain such evidence. I really can't stand all these armchair scientists today. I don't even deny climate change. In all likelihood it's absolutely caused by humans. However I know that I don't know wtf the actual science says, and I have no idea who to trust about it. There's literally billions of dollars at stake in the debate and people will lie to their deathbed to secure even a fraction of it.</quote> Do you... not know what science is...? Like the shit that they prove can be looked st by anyone and understood by anyone (if you take the time to try to understand it of course) That's like the entire purpose of science. I'm really confused as to what point you're attempting to make here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SGT_Conti 06/02/17 12:47:43 PM #13:	I've seen people justify their denial of climate change by saying that damaging today's economy is worse than climate change they won't suffer through in their lifetime. --- "I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be." <cite>SGT_Conti posted [p:880275205] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote>I've seen people justify their denial of climate change by saying that damaging today's economy is worse than climate change they won't suffer through in their lifetime.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xeno14 06/02/17 12:48:47 PM #14:	one its never explained in scientific terms. Its frequently used like you did, as appeals to authority, and spoken of by people with little understanding of it as a state of omg can't believe people don't believe what i do. This isn't how you approach a matter, its how you approach a theological idea at best you use a correlation, but that doesn't explain why a greenhouse gas behaves the way it does, why is CO2 like this, why methane is so dangerous, how water vapor differs, why volcanoes have a net cooling effect despite spewing tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. there have frequently been doomsday sayers that have made incorrect predictions that has hurt the credibility in the public eye. You had al gore movie make a huge claim that mt Kilimanjaro would no longer have snow on the top of it after 2014-5. These people making these claims, though to spur progress, harm the cause more then help it. 3. Recognizing this just isn't a matter of public policy but also recognizing the economic interest involved and how they shape policy. Take a look at how the nuclear power movement was opposed to maintain the status quo of hydrocarbon --- http://i.imgur.com/brMr5Ig.jpg http://i.imgur.com/MoXxySu.gif https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyGM7qMXgAAwhbT.jpg:large <cite>Xeno14 posted [p:880275265] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote>one its never explained in scientific terms. Its frequently used like you did, as appeals to authority, and spoken of by people with little understanding of it as a state of omg can't believe people don't believe what i do. This isn't how you approach a matter, its how you approach a theological idea at best you use a correlation, but that doesn't explain why a greenhouse gas behaves the way it does, why is CO2 like this, why methane is so dangerous, how water vapor differs, why volcanoes have a net cooling effect despite spewing tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. there have frequently been doomsday sayers that have made incorrect predictions that has hurt the credibility in the public eye. You had al gore movie make a huge claim that mt Kilimanjaro would no longer have snow on the top of it after 2014-5. These people making these claims, though to spur progress, harm the cause more then help it. 3. Recognizing this just isn't a matter of public policy but also recognizing the economic interest involved and how they shape policy. Take a look at how the nuclear power movement was opposed to maintain the status quo of hydrocarbon</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SK8T3R215 06/02/17 12:50:05 PM #15:	SGT_Conti posted... I've seen people justify their denial of climate change by saying that damaging today's economy is worse than climate change they won't suffer through in their lifetime. I'm kinda like this. If climate change causes catastrophic events after I'm dead I don't care because I'm dead. --- New York Knicks, New York Jets, New York Yankees. <cite>SK8T3R215 posted [p:880275325] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote><cite>SGT_Conti posted...</cite> <quote>I've seen people justify their denial of climate change by saying that damaging today's economy is worse than climate change they won't suffer through in their lifetime.</quote> I'm kinda like this. If climate change causes catastrophic events after I'm dead I don't care because I'm dead.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
That_Happened 06/02/17 12:50:20 PM #16:	Sanktu_Vyvorant posted... Howl posted... ZMythos posted... There's overwhelming evidence that supports human activity having a negative affect on the environment and global climate And I'm sure that you're a scientist who has reviewed said evidence and the methodology used to obtain such evidence. I really can't stand all these armchair scientists today. I don't even deny climate change. In all likelihood it's absolutely caused by humans. However I know that I don't know wtf the actual science says, and I have no idea who to trust about it. There's literally billions of dollars at stake in the debate and people will lie to their deathbed to secure even a fraction of it. Do you... not know what science is...? Like the shit that they prove can be looked st by anyone and understood by anyone (if you take the time to try to understand it of course) That's like the entire purpose of science. I'm really confused as to what point you're attempting to make here His point seems to be "I don't know shit about climate change, and I agree that it's likely a problem, but if anyone is the slightest bit more headstrong about it than me then I'll pretend they also don't know shit so I can feel superior to them because I'm kind-of on the fence about it." Basically your typical contrarian. --- http://fusionanomaly.net/magnoliabutitdidhappen.jpg <cite>That_Happened posted [p:880275340] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ZMythos posted...</cite> <quote>There's overwhelming evidence that supports human activity having a negative affect on the environment and global climate</quote> And I'm sure that you're a scientist who has reviewed said evidence and the methodology used to obtain such evidence. I really can't stand all these armchair scientists today. I don't even deny climate change. In all likelihood it's absolutely caused by humans. However I know that I don't know wtf the actual science says, and I have no idea who to trust about it. There's literally billions of dollars at stake in the debate and people will lie to their deathbed to secure even a fraction of it.</quote> Do you... not know what science is...? Like the shit that they prove can be looked st by anyone and understood by anyone (if you take the time to try to understand it of course) That's like the entire purpose of science. I'm really confused as to what point you're attempting to make here</quote> His point seems to be "I don't know shit about climate change, and I agree that it's likely a problem, but if anyone is the slightest bit more headstrong about it than me then I'll pretend they also don't know shit so I can feel superior to them because I'm kind-of on the fence about it." Basically your typical contrarian.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 06/02/17 12:51:15 PM #17:	SK8T3R215 posted... SGT_Conti posted... I've seen people justify their denial of climate change by saying that damaging today's economy is worse than climate change they won't suffer through in their lifetime. I'm kinda like this. If climate change causes catastrophic events after I'm dead I don't care because I'm dead. So you're an [moddable] --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:880275390] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote><cite>SK8T3R215 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SGT_Conti posted...</cite> <quote>I've seen people justify their denial of climate change by saying that damaging today's economy is worse than climate change they won't suffer through in their lifetime.</quote> I'm kinda like this. If climate change causes catastrophic events after I'm dead I don't care because I'm dead.</quote> So you're an [moddable]</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
youngfossil 06/02/17 12:52:11 PM #18:	Sanktu_Vyvorant posted... Howl posted... ZMythos posted... There's overwhelming evidence that supports human activity having a negative affect on the environment and global climate And I'm sure that you're a scientist who has reviewed said evidence and the methodology used to obtain such evidence. I really can't stand all these armchair scientists today. I don't even deny climate change. In all likelihood it's absolutely caused by humans. However I know that I don't know wtf the actual science says, and I have no idea who to trust about it. There's literally billions of dollars at stake in the debate and people will lie to their deathbed to secure even a fraction of it. Do you... not know what science is...? Like the shit that they prove can be looked st by anyone and understood by anyone (if you take the time to try to understand it of course) That's like the entire purpose of science. I'm really confused as to what point you're attempting to make here He's being willfully ignorant --- While I may not agree with your opinion, I will defend to the death your right to have it. <cite>youngfossil posted [p:880275442] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ZMythos posted...</cite> <quote>There's overwhelming evidence that supports human activity having a negative affect on the environment and global climate</quote> And I'm sure that you're a scientist who has reviewed said evidence and the methodology used to obtain such evidence. I really can't stand all these armchair scientists today. I don't even deny climate change. In all likelihood it's absolutely caused by humans. However I know that I don't know wtf the actual science says, and I have no idea who to trust about it. There's literally billions of dollars at stake in the debate and people will lie to their deathbed to secure even a fraction of it.</quote> Do you... not know what science is...? Like the shit that they prove can be looked st by anyone and understood by anyone (if you take the time to try to understand it of course) That's like the entire purpose of science. I'm really confused as to what point you're attempting to make here</quote> He's being willfully ignorant</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 06/02/17 1:12:58 PM #20:	Part of the problem is that proponents of global warming are equally uneducated, saying dumbshit like "the severity of the 2017 blizzard is because of global warming!!!" Not to mention the nasty habit climate scientists have of exaggerating data to create alarmism: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4192182/World-leaders-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html Is global warming real? Absolutely. Does anyone realistically have any clue about what actions we can take to reverse what's already in motion? No. And this is the reason for most opposition to legislation, as well as a lot of the skepticism people have towards experts who claim to know what solutions will work. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:880276515] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote>Part of the problem is that proponents of global warming are equally uneducated, saying dumbshit like "the severity of the 2017 blizzard is because of global warming!!!" Not to mention the nasty habit climate scientists have of exaggerating data to create alarmism: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4192182/World-leaders-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html Is global warming real? Absolutely. Does anyone realistically have any clue about what actions we can take to reverse what's already in motion? No. And this is the reason for most opposition to legislation, as well as a lot of the skepticism people have towards experts who claim to know what solutions will work.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Howl 06/02/17 1:16:41 PM #22:	Sanktu_Vyvorant posted... Do you... not know what science is...? Like the shit that they prove can be looked st by anyone and understood by anyone (if you take the time to try to understand it of course) That's like the entire purpose of science. I'm really confused as to what point you're attempting to make here My point is that it's highly unlikely that any of you have actually looked at the data. --- woof <cite>Howl posted [p:880276717] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...</cite> <quote> Do you... not know what science is...? Like the shit that they prove can be looked st by anyone and understood by anyone (if you take the time to try to understand it of course) That's like the entire purpose of science. I'm really confused as to what point you're attempting to make here</quote> My point is that it's highly unlikely that any of you have actually looked at the data.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 06/02/17 1:17:23 PM #23:	Asherlee10 posted... The Admiral posted... Part of the problem is that proponents of global warming are equally uneducated, saying dumbshit like "the severity of the 2017 blizzard is because of global warming!!!" Not to mention the nasty habit climate scientists have of exaggerating data to create alarmism: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4192182/World-leaders-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html Is global warming real? Absolutely. Does anyone realistically have any clue about what actions we can take to reverse what's already in motion? No. And this is the reason for most opposition to legislation, as well as a lot of the skepticism people have towards experts who claim to know what solutions will work. You're saying that "climate change believers" often spout incorrect information and therefore some people become unbelievers/non-supports as a result? Yes, absolutely. If someone speaks on TV as an "expert" and ends up being full of shit, this undercuts the credibility of all the claims. People who don't have a science background think they're being manipulated for political reasons and become skeptics. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:880276745] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Part of the problem is that proponents of global warming are equally uneducated, saying dumbshit like "the severity of the 2017 blizzard is because of global warming!!!" Not to mention the nasty habit climate scientists have of exaggerating data to create alarmism: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4192182/World-leaders-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html Is global warming real? Absolutely. Does anyone realistically have any clue about what actions we can take to reverse what's already in motion? No. And this is the reason for most opposition to legislation, as well as a lot of the skepticism people have towards experts who claim to know what solutions will work.</quote> You're saying that "climate change believers" often spout incorrect information and therefore some people become unbelievers/non-supports as a result?</quote> Yes, absolutely. If someone speaks on TV as an "expert" and ends up being full of shit, this undercuts the credibility of all the claims. People who don't have a science background think they're being manipulated for political reasons and become skeptics.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Amputation 06/02/17 1:17:58 PM #25:	Blighboy posted... ZMythos posted... There's overwhelming evidence that supports human activity having a negative affect on the environment and global climate, yet there are sects of people that actively deny or challenge these facts. People don't trust Fox News and CNN because they express opinions in their reporting, but are willing to believe scientists who are explicitly paid based on how much evidence they can provide for "climate change"? lol ok What do you do for a living? --- Now Playing: Final Fantasy XV, Tokyo Mirage Sessions, BoTW, Bayonetta <cite>Amputation posted [p:880276789] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blighboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ZMythos posted...</cite> <quote>There's overwhelming evidence that supports human activity having a negative affect on the environment and global climate, yet there are sects of people that actively deny or challenge these facts.</quote> People don't trust Fox News and CNN because they express opinions in their reporting, but are willing to believe scientists who are explicitly paid based on how much evidence they can provide for "climate change"? lol ok</quote> What do you do for a living?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Amputation 06/02/17 1:20:42 PM #26:	Part of the problem The Admiral posted... --- Now Playing: Final Fantasy XV, Tokyo Mirage Sessions, BoTW, Bayonetta <cite>Amputation posted [p:880276946] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote><quote>Part of the problem</quote> <cite>The Admiral posted...</cite></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 06/02/17 1:23:21 PM #27:	Amputation posted... Part of the problem The Admiral posted... I'm sorry if my post was too hard for you to understand. Maybe if any of the users have young kids, they can help translate it for you. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:880277109] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote><cite>Amputation posted...</cite> <quote><quote>Part of the problem</quote> <cite>The Admiral posted...</cite></quote> I'm sorry if my post was too hard for you to understand. Maybe if any of the users have young kids, they can help translate it for you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
-ZIO- 06/02/17 1:24:05 PM #28:	Asherlee10 posted... The Admiral posted... Asherlee10 posted... The Admiral posted... Part of the problem is that proponents of global warming are equally uneducated, saying dumbshit like "the severity of the 2017 blizzard is because of global warming!!!" Not to mention the nasty habit climate scientists have of exaggerating data to create alarmism: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4192182/World-leaders-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html Is global warming real? Absolutely. Does anyone realistically have any clue about what actions we can take to reverse what's already in motion? No. And this is the reason for most opposition to legislation, as well as a lot of the skepticism people have towards experts who claim to know what solutions will work. You're saying that "climate change believers" often spout incorrect information and therefore some people become unbelievers/non-supports as a result? Yes, absolutely. If someone speaks on TV as an "expert" and ends up being full of shit, this undercuts the credibility of all the claims. People who don't have a science background think they're being manipulated for political reasons and become skeptics. Fair point and I agree. That is probably what happened after some predictions from "An Inconvenient Truth" came and went and didn't come to fruition. However, I think it's a good thing New York isn't under water right now. And we should take it as good news that not everything has come to pass. But at the rate we're going, the extremities are going to increase at a faster pace. Rather than deny it, the people should be trying to help stave it off. But they'd rather hit the gas for some reason and drive off the cliff at full speed. <cite>-ZIO- posted [p:880277158] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Part of the problem is that proponents of global warming are equally uneducated, saying dumbshit like "the severity of the 2017 blizzard is because of global warming!!!" Not to mention the nasty habit climate scientists have of exaggerating data to create alarmism: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4192182/World-leaders-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html Is global warming real? Absolutely. Does anyone realistically have any clue about what actions we can take to reverse what's already in motion? No. And this is the reason for most opposition to legislation, as well as a lot of the skepticism people have towards experts who claim to know what solutions will work.</quote> You're saying that "climate change believers" often spout incorrect information and therefore some people become unbelievers/non-supports as a result?</quote> Yes, absolutely. If someone speaks on TV as an "expert" and ends up being full of shit, this undercuts the credibility of all the claims. People who don't have a science background think they're being manipulated for political reasons and become skeptics.</quote> Fair point and I agree.</quote> That is probably what happened after some predictions from "An Inconvenient Truth" came and went and didn't come to fruition. However, I think it's a good thing New York isn't under water right now. And we should take it as good news that not everything has come to pass. But at the rate we're going, the extremities are going to increase at a faster pace. Rather than deny it, the people should be trying to help stave it off. But they'd rather hit the gas for some reason and drive off the cliff at full speed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SGT_Conti 06/02/17 1:28:48 PM #30:	Asherlee10 posted... - "This is God's earth, he'll take care of it." Didn't we literally just have a politician who said climate change isn't an issue because if it got to that point, God would fix it? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2 <cite>SGT_Conti posted [p:880277410] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>- "This is God's earth, he'll take care of it."</quote> Didn't we literally just have a politician who said climate change isn't an issue because if it got to that point, God would fix it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Amputation 06/02/17 1:29:02 PM #31:	Asherlee10 posted... Amputation posted... Part of the problem The Admiral posted... Why/how is what Admiral said part of the problem? In general The Admiral posted... Amputation posted... Part of the problem The Admiral posted... I'm sorry if my post was too hard for you to understand. Maybe if any of the users have young kids, they can help translate it for you. It was a joke, But you're right, your post was just too mind blowing to understand --- Now Playing: Final Fantasy XV, Tokyo Mirage Sessions, BoTW, Bayonetta <cite>Amputation posted [p:880277426] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Amputation posted...</cite> <quote><quote>Part of the problem</quote> <cite>The Admiral posted...</cite></quote> Why/how is what Admiral said part of the problem?</quote> In general <cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Amputation posted...</cite> <quote><quote>Part of the problem</quote> <cite>The Admiral posted...</cite></quote> I'm sorry if my post was too hard for you to understand. Maybe if any of the users have young kids, they can help translate it for you.</quote> It was a joke, But you're right, your post was just too mind blowing to understand</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pikachupwnage 06/02/17 1:30:18 PM #32:	Hyperbole alarmism and false alarms from climate change scientists/advocates/legislators etc. Hypocrisy from some major climate change advocates Political agendas getting entwined with the issue. Poor education Opposition campaigns from certain powerful groups and individuals --- I'm Mary Poppins y'all. http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/665/328/d75.gif <cite>pikachupwnage posted [p:880277502] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote>Hyperbole alarmism and false alarms from climate change scientists/advocates/legislators etc. Hypocrisy from some major climate change advocates Political agendas getting entwined with the issue. Poor education Opposition campaigns from certain powerful groups and individuals</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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emblem boy 06/02/17 1:30:38 PM #35:	I think people just doubt the seriousness of it and whether or not claims are exaggerated. Even within the community, aren't the models used for predictions something some still argue about --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:880277529] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote>I think people just doubt the seriousness of it and whether or not claims are exaggerated. Even within the community, aren't the models used for predictions something some still argue about</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SGT_Conti 06/02/17 1:32:44 PM #36:	Asherlee10 posted... SGT_Conti posted... Asherlee10 posted... - "This is God's earth, he'll take care of it." Didn't we literally just have a politician who said climate change isn't an issue because if it got to that point, God would fix it? That sounds familiar. Tim Walberg Though to be more precise he believes man has an effect on climate change but does not believe we need to do anything about it since God can take care of it. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/06/01/tim-walberg-climate-change-trump-paris-agreement/102389286/ --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2 <cite>SGT_Conti posted [p:880277660] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SGT_Conti posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote> - "This is God's earth, he'll take care of it." </quote> Didn't we literally just have a politician who said climate change isn't an issue because if it got to that point, God would fix it?</quote> That sounds familiar.</quote> Tim Walberg Though to be more precise he believes man has an effect on climate change but does not believe we need to do anything about it since God can take care of it. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/06/01/tim-walberg-climate-change-trump-paris-agreement/102389286/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vertania 06/02/17 1:35:07 PM #38:	I think a lot of the "deniers" don't actually deny the fact the global warming is occuring, is largely caused by human activity, and has negative effects on the world. Many people just have a problem with legislation, research funds, and spending related to it. I remember Gary Johnson saying during the 2016 election season that money for climate change research could be put to better use. He was saying that instead of spending money to prevent future consequences, maybe we should use it to improve quality of life for people here and now. Everyone saw that and jumped down his throat claiming he didn't believe in climate change. <cite>Vertania posted [p:880277769] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote>I think a lot of the "deniers" don't actually deny the fact the global warming is occuring, is largely caused by human activity, and has negative effects on the world. Many people just have a problem with legislation, research funds, and spending related to it. I remember Gary Johnson saying during the 2016 election season that money for climate change research could be put to better use. He was saying that instead of spending money to prevent future consequences, maybe we should use it to improve quality of life for people here and now. Everyone saw that and jumped down his throat claiming he didn't believe in climate change.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Amputation 06/02/17 1:35:08 PM #39:	Asherlee10 posted... To be fair, you are not doing a good job conveying what you mean. What was the problem with his post? I wasn't replying to his post Damn that joke is soaring higher than it should be --- Now Playing: Final Fantasy XV, Tokyo Mirage Sessions, BoTW, Bayonetta <cite>Amputation posted [p:880277772] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>To be fair, you are not doing a good job conveying what you mean. What was the problem with his post?</quote> I wasn't replying to his post Damn that joke is soaring higher than it should be</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 06/02/17 1:35:41 PM #40:	I for one will welcome the return of our Jurassic-era climate overlord. --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:880277806] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote>I for one will welcome the return of our Jurassic-era climate overlord.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Amputation 06/02/17 1:40:53 PM #42:	Asherlee10 posted... Amputation posted... Asherlee10 posted... To be fair, you are not doing a good job conveying what you mean. What was the problem with his post? I wasn't replying to his post Damn that joke is soaring higher than it should be Clearly I don't get your joke. Yeah, I know --- Now Playing: Final Fantasy XV, Tokyo Mirage Sessions, BoTW, Bayonetta <cite>Amputation posted [p:880278122] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Amputation posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>To be fair, you are not doing a good job conveying what you mean. What was the problem with his post?</quote> I wasn't replying to his post Damn that joke is soaring higher than it should be</quote> Clearly I don't get your joke.</quote> Yeah, I know</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Roxborough4Ever 06/02/17 1:41:40 PM #43:	facts based on lies facts that keep changing --- You feast on red herring because it is your birthright. <cite>Roxborough4Ever posted [p:880278152] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote>facts based on lies facts that keep changing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 06/02/17 1:41:54 PM #44:	The Admiral posted... Is global warming real? Absolutely. Does anyone realistically have any clue about what actions we can take to reverse what's already in motion? No. And this is the reason for most opposition to legislation, as well as a lot of the skepticism people have towards experts who claim to know what solutions will work. 1) You're not the one to decide if anyone "realistically" has a solution to these issues 2) Not having a 100% fix solution does not mean we can't start implementing measures to slow it down, let alone keep passing legislation that allows it to go further (coal, rollback on regulations, etc.) 3) It's petty to say "Oh we can't fix it so we should do nothing" anyway --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:880278162] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote> Is global warming real? Absolutely. Does anyone realistically have any clue about what actions we can take to reverse what's already in motion? No. And this is the reason for most opposition to legislation, as well as a lot of the skepticism people have towards experts who claim to know what solutions will work.</quote> 1) You're not the one to decide if anyone "realistically" has a solution to these issues 2) Not having a 100% fix solution does not mean we can't start implementing measures to slow it down, let alone keep passing legislation that allows it to go further (coal, rollback on regulations, etc.) 3) It's petty to say "Oh we can't fix it so we should do nothing" anyway</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Roxborough4Ever 06/02/17 1:43:27 PM #45:	they already have you all.....so many posters afraid of being called "XYZ" that they bow to the fake climate science and are ready to live at 60% tax --- You feast on red herring because it is your birthright. <cite>Roxborough4Ever posted [p:880278246] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote>they already have you all.....so many posters afraid of being called "XYZ" that they bow to the fake climate science and are ready to live at 60% tax</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 06/02/17 1:48:40 PM #46:	ZMythos posted... 2) Not having a 100% fix solution does not mean we can't start implementing measures to slow it down, let alone keep passing legislation that allows it to go further (coal, rollback on regulations, etc.) If your fantasy land with no negative externalities, this would be fine. But what you're doing, in reality, is going to a working class family and saying "hey, I'm about to take away your job and send your family into poverty due a policy that may or may not work, and that I have no hard evidence to say will be effective. Sucks to be you. Aren't I progressive?" --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:880278552] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZMythos posted...</cite> <quote>2) Not having a 100% fix solution does not mean we can't start implementing measures to slow it down, let alone keep passing legislation that allows it to go further (coal, rollback on regulations, etc.)</quote> If your fantasy land with no negative externalities, this would be fine. But what you're doing, in reality, is going to a working class family and saying "hey, I'm about to take away your job and send your family into poverty due a policy that may or may not work, and that I have no hard evidence to say will be effective. Sucks to be you. Aren't I progressive?"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BillyKidd 06/02/17 1:49:31 PM #47:	https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/02/13/peer-reviewed-survey-finds-majority-of-scientists-skeptical-of-global-warming-crisis/#202b56a74c7c --- Tho I walk through the valley of death, I shall fear no evil. For I'm the meanest mofo in the whole f'n valley http://i.imgur.com/4GzX1.jpg <cite>BillyKidd posted [p:880278597] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote>https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/02/13/peer-reviewed-survey-finds-majority-of-scientists-skeptical-of-global-warming-crisis/#202b56a74c7c</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ultima Dragon 06/02/17 1:55:43 PM #48:	Human beings are greedy little fucks and deserve everything that's coming to them tbh. Even if you're not the big time fossil fuel CEO or the governments that allow these people to do whatever they want, you still consume far more than anyone could possibly ever need to live and thrive and the consequence of that over-consumption is that we're now stuck on a dying planet. It's been that way since the turn of the industrial revolution. The only thing we should be pooling money into now is how to travel to and terraform other planets/celestial bodies as quickly as possible. That is the only future there is, because people sure as hell aren't going to stop wanting more far in excess of what they need, while giving as little back as they possibly can. --- "It's Canada, their idea of rioting is a half-muttered swear word." - deathbeforelife <cite>Ultima Dragon posted [p:880278936] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote>Human beings are greedy little fucks and deserve everything that's coming to them tbh. Even if you're not the big time fossil fuel CEO or the governments that allow these people to do whatever they want, you still consume far more than anyone could possibly ever need to live and thrive and the consequence of that over-consumption is that we're now stuck on a dying planet. It's been that way since the turn of the industrial revolution. The only thing we should be pooling money into now is how to travel to and terraform other planets/celestial bodies as quickly as possible. That is the only future there is, because people sure as hell aren't going to stop wanting more far in excess of what they need, while giving as little back as they possibly can.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 06/02/17 1:57:53 PM #49:	The Admiral posted... If your fantasy land with no negative externalities, this would be fine. But what you're doing, in reality, is going to a working class family and saying "hey, I'm about to take away your job and send your family into poverty due a policy that may or may not work, and that I have no hard evidence to say will be effective. Sucks to be you. Aren't I progressive?" Who, coal miners? I mean, did Ford apologize for putting horses out of business when they became obsolete? Also, even if there isn't evidence for a surefire solution, it's obvious that the fossil fuel and agricultural industries are the biggest contributors to global warming. Making cuts to these areas not only makes sense, but the possible positive consequences to millions of people should certainly exceed the immediate needs of a few hundred families. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:880279069] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote> If your fantasy land with no negative externalities, this would be fine. But what you're doing, in reality, is going to a working class family and saying "hey, I'm about to take away your job and send your family into poverty due a policy that may or may not work, and that I have no hard evidence to say will be effective. Sucks to be you. Aren't I progressive?"</quote> Who, coal miners? I mean, did Ford apologize for putting horses out of business when they became obsolete? Also, even if there isn't evidence for a surefire solution, it's obvious that the fossil fuel and agricultural industries are the biggest contributors to global warming. Making cuts to these areas not only makes sense, but the possible positive consequences to millions of people should certainly exceed the immediate needs of a few hundred families.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Amputation 06/02/17 1:58:36 PM #50:	The Admiral posted... ZMythos posted... 2) Not having a 100% fix solution does not mean we can't start implementing measures to slow it down, let alone keep passing legislation that allows it to go further (coal, rollback on regulations, etc.) If your fantasy land with no negative externalities, this would be fine. But what you're doing, in reality, is going to a working class family and saying "hey, I'm about to take away your job and send your family into poverty due a policy that may or may not work, and that I have no hard evidence to say will be effective. Sucks to be you. Aren't I progressive?" Who is losing their job because of government policy Please elaborate --- Now Playing: Final Fantasy XV, Tokyo Mirage Sessions, BoTW, Bayonetta <cite>Amputation posted [p:880279120] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ZMythos posted...</cite> <quote>2) Not having a 100% fix solution does not mean we can't start implementing measures to slow it down, let alone keep passing legislation that allows it to go further (coal, rollback on regulations, etc.)</quote> If your fantasy land with no negative externalities, this would be fine. But what you're doing, in reality, is going to a working class family and saying "hey, I'm about to take away your job and send your family into poverty due a policy that may or may not work, and that I have no hard evidence to say will be effective. Sucks to be you. Aren't I progressive?"</quote> Who is losing their job because of government policy Please elaborate</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 06/02/17 1:58:58 PM #51:	Xeno14 posted... one its never explained in scientific terms. Its frequently used like you did, as appeals to authority, and spoken of by people with little understanding of it as a state of omg can't believe people don't believe what i do. This isn't how you approach a matter, its how you approach a theological idea at best you use a correlation, but that doesn't explain why a greenhouse gas behaves the way it does, why is CO2 like this, why methane is so dangerous, how water vapor differs, why volcanoes have a net cooling effect despite spewing tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. there have frequently been doomsday sayers that have made incorrect predictions that has hurt the credibility in the public eye. You had al gore movie make a huge claim that mt Kilimanjaro would no longer have snow on the top of it after 2014-5. These people making these claims, though to spur progress, harm the cause more then help it. 3. Recognizing this just isn't a matter of public policy but also recognizing the economic interest involved and how they shape policy. Take a look at how the nuclear power movement was opposed to maintain the status quo of hydrocarbon great post --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:880279146] in How are th... [t:75413805]...</cite> <quote><cite>Xeno14 posted...</cite> <quote>one its never explained in scientific terms. Its frequently used like you did, as appeals to authority, and spoken of by people with little understanding of it as a state of omg can't believe people don't believe what i do. This isn't how you approach a matter, its how you approach a theological idea at best you use a correlation, but that doesn't explain why a greenhouse gas behaves the way it does, why is CO2 like this, why methane is so dangerous, how water vapor differs, why volcanoes have a net cooling effect despite spewing tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. there have frequently been doomsday sayers that have made incorrect predictions that has hurt the credibility in the public eye. You had al gore movie make a huge claim that mt Kilimanjaro would no longer have snow on the top of it after 2014-5. These people making these claims, though to spur progress, harm the cause more then help it. 3. Recognizing this just isn't a matter of public policy but also recognizing the economic interest involved and how they shape policy. Take a look at how the nuclear power movement was opposed to maintain the status quo of hydrocarbon</quote> great post</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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