Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ Chrom, Vanille and Bass.EXE vs. Sephiroth and Magus

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bass

Bass: Return to the 1's and 0's you're made out of!
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Team Bass.

It's been enough time for people to vote that I can now cast my own vote. What my writeup above didn't say was that Vanille has Deshellra as a Saboteur. Deshellra lowers magic defense...considerably, at that. Which means that there's no Frog to debuff Magus' MDEF, but he's not needed because Vanille covers that. Couple that with Chrom having long range options if Magus tries to fly away (some of his attacks have archery range IIRC) and I think they can do a solid job vs him. It won't be easy, but Chrom and Vanille are much more impressive than the Chrono Trigger crew. With Bass and Seph busy, it'll be a while before anyone emerges the victor, and Vanille's ability to heal and support Bass probably gives him the win.

What does it matter if his magic defense is debuffed even if that would be how vanille would open. Magus can outdps her regardless and she is forced into healing.
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Tulip_OHare posted...

Bass: Return to the 1's and 0's you're made out of!

6 karma account?
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Corrik posted...

Tulip_OHare posted...

Bass: Return to the 1's and 0's you're made out of!

6 karma account?

Bit suspicious, yes. Doesn't swing this match result tho
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It's NFUN.
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FFDragon posted...

It's NFUN.

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Gotcha, thanks for the clarification guys!
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I sure wish Mega Man X got all this respect fighting Sephiroth with similarly good abilities!!!
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Bass personality and raw stats are way better than X's tbqh
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KJH posted...

Bass personality and raw stats are way better than X's tbqh

Get Ability is pretty good too.
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More than that though, his weaponry is better suited for fighting Sephiroth. Super machineguns boosted by corruption mode is a better look than beams or single projectiles vs Seph. Neon Singularity < Nova Beam too, against him.
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I feel like Bass.EXE is one of those "you have to have been there" things. Or in this case, you have to have played the game. Everyone that's played it says that he's worth a lot of respect, but I look at those videos and I see someone who would fail the Lloyd Irving test if not for his Life Aura.
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Drakeryn posted...

I feel like Bass.EXE is one of those "you have to have been there" things. Or in this case, you have to have played the game. Everyone that's played it says that he's worth a lot of respect, but I look at those videos and I see someone who would fail the Lloyd Irving test if not for his Life Aura.

Full disclosure, I have never played a battle network game except for MMBN1, where Bass doesn't even appear. I just respect him because I did a lot of looking and in vids where the player doesn't instantly lock him down, he murders you with absolutely lethal efficiency - we're talking doing like a third to half of a player's HP with random shots in a game where the final boss takes maybe a twentieth per hit. MMBN is a game where to beat Bass you need to never let him play, pretty much. Plus, he has a cool bigass laser cannon that blows up the entire battlefield which is pretty respectable. His cutscene showings aren't turbo ridiculous because it's a GBA game (though I guess you could look at the battle network anime if you wanted to see him in a FMV - no idea how game accurate it might be tho), but his battle mechanics are too respectable to diss.
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Drakeryn posted...

I feel like Bass.EXE is one of those "you have to have been there" things. Or in this case, you have to have played the game. Everyone that's played it says that he's worth a lot of respect, but I look at those videos and I see someone who would fail the Lloyd Irving test if not for his Life Aura

This applies to like everyone who's below noble nine levels of popularity.

This vid's probably a good example. Gravy posted it and it's pretty long and includes a hacked fight where four basses are present at once so you get to actually see Bass fight a player:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlmtzhIo9-U

If you look a little into it when it shows off the fight that's actually in the game, a random buster shot chunks a player out for 300 HP in a game where max HP goes to 1000 - these are multihit attacks that can easily tag you repeatedly and a stray hit absolutely levels your HP. His damage goes up from there. These attacks aren't easy to dodge - I think you have like a third of a second to get out of the way if you're generous and a lot of times you will be cornered with no choice but to take the damage and die because Bass casually blows up terrain, meaning he'll autohit you unless you have an invulnerability move or two. He's very much an old school bonus boss, the kind that requires prep time, specific strats, and a ton of grinding to fight.
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And actually, re: the laser cannon, that one's probably worth posting too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oyjw1DO4ZK0

That's a move Bass has and it just...to put it in perspective, the Bass in THAT game caps out at 2000 HP. Bass' own super attack would threeshot his bossfight from that game, which is a pretty good testament to its power alongside 'it blows up like all of the enemy's half of the battlefield instantly'.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

That's a move Bass has and it just...to put it in perspective, the Bass in THAT game caps out at 2000 HP. Bass' own super attack would threeshot his bossfight from that game, which is a pretty good testament to its power alongside 'it blows up like all of the enemy's half of the battlefield instantly'.

bass is banned from having this actually -- only has omega form moves until upgraded.

and he's banned from having those abilities in video 1 because thats Bass XX (and needs to be unlocked)
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bass is banned from having this actually -- only has omega form moves until upgraded.

No, he actually has that. Bass GS is his Omega Form from that game. He gets everything from MMBN2 to 4 by default and then 5 and 6 on upgrade basically.
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Im pretty sure the write up only mentions Bass Omega from mmbn3


I dunno maybe im wrong?
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Bass.EXE is as he appears in the Megaman Battle Network series, with access to all the moves and properties of his Omega forms, though if any of his barriers/auras is destroyed, he loses access to all of them for the rest of the fight.

Emphasis mine for clarity. It's not just MMBN3.
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If i am wrong write up should be modified for better clarity tbh
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Yes there are two Bass Omega forms


Alpha and beta or whatever
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greengravy294 posted...

If i am wrong write up should be modified for better clarity tbh

Bass has a clarification pass incoming on both his abilities so honestly 'might as well' tbqh
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Bass &#937; (Omega)/SP: This is often Bass's ultimate form, randomly encountered after beating the original, in Mega Man Battle Network 4 and 5. These forms often sport about 3000 HP or 3500, along with a slew of highly damaging attacks.

There you go
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Bass Omega's his standard, ultimate form for MMBN3, 4, and 5. Alpha and Beta forms are DS MMBN5 remake exclusives, not really related to Omega.

His character upgrade was never giving him Omega form stuff since that was his baseline, it's:

"Gains access to the moves and properties of his XX and BX forms as well."

XX being his dark-chip based 4 and 5 version and BX being his Cybeast-based 6 version. They have different types of lifeauras and movesets than the Omega form does.
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The life auras don't even matter besides 'which one's the strongest one' since the writeup explicitly says they don't come back (meaning the regenerating life aura is like 'oh this was pointless then'). The movesets matter a bit more, though as I recall the only major thing Bass gains from XX form is being faster, and from BX the Sonic Storm move (which is admittedly pretty nice, but kinda pricy to buy a char upgrade for just a speedup and two moves - the other move he gains from BX doesn't matter because it's a Gospel Cannon rehash).

Also, I did some deep deep diving - Bass Omega from MMBN3 does in fact have Vanishing World, it's just that the version that appears there is called 'Bass Omega GS' and it's an absolute fuckin pain in the ass to reach so vids are scarce. The homework tells me that it's probably worth clarifying that Bass Omega GS is included, if only because it has by far the most varied and impressive attacks between the Gospel Claws and Cannon, Bass' usual Explosion, Rake and Nightmare Wheel moves and Vanishing World, plus really good plot hype. But all the essentials are there by default at least. Gravy just sucks at research lol.
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This is the only board in the world that would argue Sephiroth would lose this fight. *shrug*
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

I just respect him because I did a lot of looking and in vids where the player doesn't instantly lock him down, he murders you with absolutely lethal efficiency - we're talking doing like a third to half of a player's HP with random shots in a game where the final boss takes maybe a twentieth per hit. MMBN is a game where to beat Bass you need to never let him play, pretty much.

imo Sephiroth basically doesn't let him play. This isn't a tile grid where a horizontal shot has a one-third chance of hitting the player. Taking Sephiroth's speed, agility, and aerial maneuverability into account, and then comparing them to Bass's showings (which are good in-game only because of the very specific mechanical restrictions that game has), it still seems absolutely like Sephiroth's match.

Not to say it's 100% -- Bass could get off a lucky shot and do a lot of damage -- but Bass's odds aren't good in general.
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Sephiroth's biggest weakness is he constantly lets people play though. He's either not a man of lethal efficiency or would have to be much weaker than he appears, based on the fights put up against him by others. I'd lean towards cockiness, because that's his downfall every time.

Though I still think Bass outright has better movement speed, and it's all aerial and on a ranged fighter. He plays a great keepaway/suppression. Also Kan is right in that the only way to beat him is basically time stopping, even when you don't go with the tile-teleporting speeds, he's got stuff like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5dD8oQLGxA

Constant afterimages, moving really fast, and over half of this overly specced out fight is him freezing time just to hit him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUw9UO2G5go

Or this one, which is even faster and where instead of freezing time, the guy's using tons of invincibility and ultimately just reducing Bass's movement area (which is definitely a gameplay mechanic).
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Drakeryn posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

I just respect him because I did a lot of looking and in vids where the player doesn't instantly lock him down, he murders you with absolutely lethal efficiency - we're talking doing like a third to half of a player's HP with random shots in a game where the final boss takes maybe a twentieth per hit. MMBN is a game where to beat Bass you need to never let him play, pretty much.

imo Sephiroth basically doesn't let him play. This isn't a tile grid where a horizontal shot has a one-third chance of hitting the player. Taking Sephiroth's speed, agility, and aerial maneuverability into account, and then comparing them to Bass's showings (which are good in-game only because of the very specific mechanical restrictions that game has), it still seems absolutely like Sephiroth's match.

Not to say it's 100% -- Bass could get off a lucky shot and do a lot of damage -- but Bass's odds aren't good in general.

It is not like Sephiroth can't heal himself though.
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I can't see Seph losing this with Nukes from Magus.

Seph
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Seph lets Cloud play, because Cloud is let a pet hamster to him. He doesn't really let anyone else play.
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I can give people a save of MMBN6 that's right before the final Bass fight, if you want. It's not technically Omega, but he's about as strong as he was in the other games.
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FFDragon posted...

Seph lets Cloud play, because Cloud is let a pet hamster to him. He doesn't really let anyone else play.

Sora and Genesis.

Crisis Core also has Hojo remark that he's completely baffled as to why Sephiroth even took Zack seriously in Nibelheim, which also implies he usually doesn't. And in that case, it's only because he's known Zack for a long time and that he presents a real, potential threat after having been taught by and killing Angeal, along with being one of the few remaining 1st Class SOLDIERs.

Other than those four, you really don't see a fight out of Sephiroth, and even on a third try with two losses and no wins, he still scoffs at Cloud. He's going to test the waters before going super all-out.
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Re: Bass showings, to give an idea of what he looks like in a more FMVish context:





Use your judgement to see if these differ too much from what you see in the vids because Megaman manga should always be taken with a grain of salt (or else you'd get random robot masters being 7/weeks), but this should give an idea of what Bass is like in a 3D environment outside the grid. If there's like even a little bit of correlation between game Bass.exe and the one you see here, he totally can fight Sephiroth while boosted with Corruption Mode and X Form.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Re: Bass showings, to give an idea of what he looks like in a more FMVish context:





Use your judgement to see if these differ too much from what you see in the vids because Megaman manga should always be taken with a grain of salt (or else you'd get random robot masters being 7/weeks), but this should give an idea of what Bass is like in a 3D environment outside the grid. If there's like even a little bit of correlation between game Bass.exe and the one you see here, he totally can fight Sephiroth while boosted with Corruption Mode and X Form.

Literally a fucking comic. Half these people if in animes or comics would be gods.
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Hence 'take it with a grain of salt'. Manga and anime need to be looked at with an eye to seeing if it seems consistent with the game and discarded otherwise, because this is a videogame-based game.
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