Current Events > We now (publicly) have official confirmation that Russians hacked the election

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https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05/top-secret-nsa-report-details-russian-hacking-effort-days-before-2016-election/

No official connection (yet) to the Trump administration, but with Rogers testifying Wednesday and Comey Thursday, it's gonna be an interesting leak.

im not reading that block of text but you do realize the american election systems don't use computers, right

i really dont like trump but this whole idea of "hacking" the election is ridiculous
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sounds like we don't have public official confirmation yet but might Wednesday
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tl;dr - some russian people sent out phishing emails to local govt employees, but there is no connection found to the russian govt


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darkphoenix181 posted...

sounds like we don't have public official confirmation yet but might Wednesday

I'm limited by the 80 char limit, but the gist is we have an actual NSA document to look through. The Intercept is known to distrust the NSA, so if they're publishing this, it's almost assuredly genuine. But yes, it probably won't be announced publicly til Wednesday if Rogers decides to go ahead and do so.

green butter posted...

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fake news
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Lol.
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green butter posted...

tl;dr - some russian people sent out phishing emails to local govt employees, but there is no connection found to the russian govt

That's...not the impression I got from reading the article.

The report indicates that Russian hacking may have penetrated further into U.S. voting systems than was previously understood. It states unequivocally in its summary statement that it was Russian military intelligence, specifically the Russian General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate, or GRU, that conducted the cyber attacks described in the document:

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green butter posted...

tl;dr - some russian people sent out phishing emails to local govt employees, but there is no connection found to the russian govt


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Did you read the article?
It states unequivocally in its summary statement that it was Russian military intelligence, specifically the Russian General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate, or GRU, that conducted the cyber attacks described in the document:

Russian General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate actors … executed cyber espionage operations against a named U.S. company in August 2016, evidently to obtain information on elections-related software and hardware solutions. … The actors likely used data obtained from that operation to … launch a voter registration-themed spear-phishing campaign targeting U.S. local government organizations.

I can understand people still being skeptical about the collusion but how can anyone deny that Russia was hacking during the election

G_G posted...

the american election systems don't use computers

Axiom posted...

I can understand people still being skeptical about the collusion but how can anyone deny that Russia was hacking during the election

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Woa it is huge if it was proven that voting systems were tampered with.
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Axiom posted...

how can anyone deny that Russia was hacking during the election

Name a country that wasn't hacking during the election.
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G_G posted...

G_G posted...

the american election systems don't use computers

Axiom posted...

I can understand people still being skeptical about the collusion but how can anyone deny that Russia was hacking during the election

So computers aren't used at all during the election cycle?
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Samurontai posted...

So computers aren't used at all during the election cycle?

I think G_G thinks people are talking about directly hacking into voting systems to change votes >_>

Ampelas posted...

green butter posted...

tl;dr - some russian people sent out phishing emails to local govt employees, but there is no connection found to the russian govt


in other news, i have discovered an ad that claims I will be able to MEET AND FUCK HOT SINGLE GIRLS IN MY AREA TONIGHT. so it looks like i am getting laid fellas!

Did you read the article?
It states unequivocally in its summary statement that it was Russian military intelligence, specifically the Russian General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate, or GRU, that conducted the cyber attacks described in the document:

Russian General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate actors … executed cyber espionage operations against a named U.S. company in August 2016, evidently to obtain information on elections-related software and hardware solutions. … The actors likely used data obtained from that operation to … launch a voter registration-themed spear-phishing campaign targeting U.S. local government organizations.

guess i was looking at the part in the beginning where the guy said that this is just one sample and you have to be cautious with the conclusions you draw
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Axiom posted...

Samurontai posted...

So computers aren't used at all during the election cycle?

I think G_G thinks people are talking about directly hacking into voting systems to change votes >_>

what are people talking about? i dont live in america so i mostly only hear about this on CE
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G_G posted...

G_G posted...

the american election systems don't use computers

Axiom posted...

I can understand people still being skeptical about the collusion but how can anyone deny that Russia was hacking during the election

This is so wrong I'm loathe not to call it an outright intentional lie.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/08/on-election-day-most-voters-use-electronic-or-optical-scan-ballots/
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Axiom posted...

I can understand people still being skeptical about the collusion but how can anyone deny that Russia was hacking during the election

Yep, we're going right down the list

Russia had nothing to do with the US election
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Ok, Russia may have been interested, but Russia didn't hack the election
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Ok, Russia may have hacked the election, but the results weren't affected
(we're currently here, after proving the first two are false)
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Ok, Russian hacking may have had an effect on the results, but Trump didn't have anything to do with it
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Ok, Trump knew about it, but he wasn't part of it, just looked the other way
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Ok, Trump wanted it to happen, but he'd still be better than Hillary would have been

Pogo_Marimo posted...

G_G posted...

G_G posted...

the american election systems don't use computers

Axiom posted...

I can understand people still being skeptical about the collusion but how can anyone deny that Russia was hacking during the election

This is so wrong I'm loathe not to call it an outright intentional lie.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/08/on-election-day-most-voters-use-electronic-or-optical-scan-ballots/

huh i could swear i read somewhere that it doesnt use computers. oh well. sorry
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G_G posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

G_G posted...

G_G posted...

the american election systems don't use computers

Axiom posted...

I can understand people still being skeptical about the collusion but how can anyone deny that Russia was hacking during the election

This is so wrong I'm loathe not to call it an outright intentional lie.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/08/on-election-day-most-voters-use-electronic-or-optical-scan-ballots/

huh i could swear i read somewhere that it doesnt use computers. oh well. sorry

It's okay, a lot of people are full of shit and talk out of their ass because of it.

We do use computers of sorts, but elections are not done with internet connections and cloud storage (not that I have ever heard of). They are offline machines that use chips and other means to tally votes so they can't be hacked like an online database or something similar.

Edit: to note, I'm being somewhat vague because I dont know all the details myself. I know that states use different means to record and tally votes. I know that some places do use computers compared to other means such as paper ballots.
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davyheinz posted...

We do use computers of sorts, but elections are not done with internet connections and cloud storage (not that I have ever heard of). They are offline machines that use chips and other means to tally votes so they can't be hacked like an online database or something similar.

so @Pogo_Marimo was just being nitpicky and doesnt have a real argument for how russia could hack the votes
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G_G posted...

davyheinz posted...

We do use computers of sorts, but elections are not done with internet connections and cloud storage (not that I have ever heard of). They are offline machines that use chips and other means to tally votes so they can't be hacked like an online database or something similar.

so @Pogo_Marimo was just being nitpicky and doesnt have a real argument for how russia could hack the votes

Ummm... I don't know what you are trying to say. Pogo linked an article that discusses the different styles of voting accepted in the US and that basically speaks to what I said. However, I think the recent revelation about Russia is concerning their ability to tamper with voting by hacking into other systems that do not directly affect or write ballots, such as voter rolls that are held in a state database.
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whats a voter roll? also why isnt this stuff standardized nationwide
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lol do people still think "RUSSIA HACKED THE ELECTIONS" means they changed voter results or something?

No, it means something like "russians posted pro-trump memes on reddit" and "russians shared fake news on facebook". That counts as interfering with the election, it's why we've had 4 months of this bullshit with no concrete explanation on what they actually did.
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Link HT posted...

No, it means something like "russians posted pro-trump memes on reddit" and "russians shared fake news on facebook". That counts as interfering with the election, it's why we've had 4 months of this bullshit with no concrete explanation on what they actually did.

how is that hacking wtf
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how do you hack an election

what I get from all of it is that Russia exposed how corrupt our government is
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Link HT posted...

lol do people still think "RUSSIA HACKED THE ELECTIONS" means they changed voter results or something?

No, it means something like "russians posted pro-trump memes on reddit" and "russians shared fake news on facebook". That counts as interfering with the election, it's why we've had 4 months of this bullshit with no concrete explanation on what they actually did.

You should really read the article.
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But Dems told me last year that it was impossible to rig an election
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G_G posted...

whats a voter roll? also why isnt this stuff standardized nationwide

A voter roll is simply a list of voters. Probably contains basic information like address, date of birth, etc. so they can compare it to something like your ID when you go to vote.

States have all sorts of different measures because of "MUH STATE RIGHTS" and other various reasons. It could be seen as more efficient to let states handle their own voting, particularly for national elections because most elections are going to be state level or lower, if I'm not mistaken, so that partitioning amongst states of the union kind of makes sense. I don't really have an answer for that because some shit just is.
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Lol everybody still upset Russia exposed the corruption in the DNC instead of being upset about the corruption itself
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davyheinz posted...

A voter roll is simply a list of voters. Probably contains basic information like address, date of birth, etc. so they can compare it to something like your ID when you go to vote.

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davyheinz posted...

States have all sorts of different measures because of "MUH STATE RIGHTS" and other various reasons. It could be seen as more efficient to let states handle their own voting, particularly for national elections because most elections are going to be state level or lower, if I'm not mistaken, so that partitioning amongst states of the union kind of makes sense. I don't really have an answer for that because some shit just is.

thats weird and sounds very inefficient
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Link HT posted...

lol do people still think "RUSSIA HACKED THE ELECTIONS" means they changed voter results or something?

No, it means something like "russians posted pro-trump memes on reddit" and "russians shared fake news on facebook". That counts as interfering with the election, it's why we've had 4 months of this bullshit with no concrete explanation on what they actually did.

Actually a lot of democrats believe that Russia literally changed vote tallies.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1BfV7hXEAA1UXo.jpg
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glitteringfairy posted...

Lol everybody still upset Russia exposed the corruption in the DNC instead of being upset about the corruption itself

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Link HT posted...

lol do people still think "RUSSIA HACKED THE ELECTIONS" means they changed voter results or something?

No, it means something like "russians posted pro-trump memes on reddit" and "russians shared fake news on facebook". That counts as interfering with the election, it's why we've had 4 months of this bullshit with no concrete explanation on what they actually did.

No that doesn't count as hacking an election. Every government does this. You'd need to go back retroactively and take away the win of every president for the past 250 years. It's an underhanded tactic, but this is not hacking an election. There's no law against trolling, shitposting, or spreading memes. And even if there were which would be absurd, there's no way to measure it or enforce it. Hacking means hacking ballots, period. Which there's been no evidence of. Discussing it in the above context is pointless, because the same thing can be turned on the Democrats where as a collective country we'll just now go and investigate who 'hacked' the other side via memes and shitposting now that we've reasoned away the win on the other side until there's no law left.
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glitteringfairy posted...

Lol everybody still upset Russia exposed the corruption in the DNC instead of being upset about the corruption itself

It's more about people being mad about interference from another country.... while ignoring transparent interference from other countries.
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"Hacked the election"
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I totally trust what the NSA is saying. Why would a bunch of spies ever lie?
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glitteringfairy posted...

Lol everybody still upset Russia exposed the corruption in the DNC instead of being upset about the corruption itself

And now that the DNC has paid the price of their corruption it's about time to look the other way concerning absolutely everything else with the hacking.
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HippopotamusRex posted...

Link HT posted...

lol do people still think "RUSSIA HACKED THE ELECTIONS" means they changed voter results or something?

No, it means something like "russians posted pro-trump memes on reddit" and "russians shared fake news on facebook". That counts as interfering with the election, it's why we've had 4 months of this bullshit with no concrete explanation on what they actually did.

No that doesn't count as hacking an election. Every government does this. You'd need to go back retroactively and take away the win of every president for the past 250 years. It's an underhanded tactic, but this is not hacking an election. There's no law against trolling, shitposting, or spreading memes. And even if there were which would be absurd, there's no way to measure it or enforce it. Hacking means hacking ballots, period. Which there's been no evidence of. Discussing it in the above context is pointless, because the same thing can be turned on the Democrats where as a collective country we'll just now go and investigate who 'hacked' the other side via memes and shitposting now that we've reasoned away the win on the other side until there's no law left.

ITP reddit and Facebook have been around for 250 years.
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The assessment concluded with high confidence that the Kremlin ordered an extensive, multi-pronged propaganda effort to "undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency."

lol no
She and the DNC did that to themselves.

glitteringfairy posted...

Lol everybody still upset Russia exposed the corruption in the DNC instead of being upset about the corruption itself

HogRiderreturns posted...

I totally trust what the NSA is saying. Why would a bunch of spies ever lie?

Because their conclusions are accountable to the house oversight committee and they are required to show their evidence to Congress per request?
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

HogRiderreturns posted...

I totally trust what the NSA is saying. Why would a bunch of spies ever lie?

Because their conclusions are accountable to the house oversight committee and they are required to show their evidence to Congress per request?

Because spies have never planted evidence or lied or anything. Totally altruistic people with no agenda at all.
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thelovefist posted...

HippopotamusRex posted...

Link HT posted...

lol do people still think "RUSSIA HACKED THE ELECTIONS" means they changed voter results or something?

No, it means something like "russians posted pro-trump memes on reddit" and "russians shared fake news on facebook". That counts as interfering with the election, it's why we've had 4 months of this bullshit with no concrete explanation on what they actually did.

No that doesn't count as hacking an election. Every government does this. You'd need to go back retroactively and take away the win of every president for the past 250 years. It's an underhanded tactic, but this is not hacking an election. There's no law against trolling, shitposting, or spreading memes. And even if there were which would be absurd, there's no way to measure it or enforce it. Hacking means hacking ballots, period. Which there's been no evidence of. Discussing it in the above context is pointless, because the same thing can be turned on the Democrats where as a collective country we'll just now go and investigate who 'hacked' the other side via memes and shitposting now that we've reasoned away the win on the other side until there's no law left.

ITP reddit and Facebook have been around for 250 years.

Everything he said was pretty dumb but the only point you addressed was actually correct.

I don't know why you think reddit and facebook are the only ways to spread disinformation but if you don't think "credible" sources were running attack pieces on political opponents in the past you clearly need to crack open a history book.


Beat him with proper content, don't discredit yourself with a terrible response that can and should be waved aside by pretty much anyone who sees it.
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Vertania posted...

The assessment concluded with high confidence that the Kremlin ordered an extensive, multi-pronged propaganda effort to "undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency."

lol no
She and the DNC did that to themselves.

glitteringfairy posted...

Lol everybody still upset Russia exposed the corruption in the DNC instead of being upset about the corruption itself

You realize this leak isn't about the DNC emails, right?
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candyapplered posted...

You realize this leak isn't about the DNC emails, right?

I noticed the article didn't mention them, yes. I was responding to that quote directly.

I also noticed that the article doesn't mention Russian involvement until August 2016, which was months after the DNC emails. Maybe they're backtracking on that claim.

Apparently someone is in deep shit for leaking this:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/federal-government-contractor-georgia-charged-removing-and-mailing-classified-materials-news

Post for later
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Electronic(computer)voting machines have proliferated across the country since the 2000 presidential election. Millions of Americans showed they lack the intelligence, and manual dexterity it taxes to punch holes in a piece of cardboard without leaving "hanging" or "pregnant" chads.
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