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Questionmarktarius
06/06/17 2:20:00 PM
#51:


Damn_Underscore posted...
There's no way even 28% could explain what this deal does. They just know what the media tells them.

The 59% don't know either.
The Paris deal does absolutely nothing, apart from redistribution. It doesn't even really accomplish that either.

It was all feelgoodism and handshakes, nothing more, with a shitton of non-renewable and carbon-emitting jet fuel burned off in the process.
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EdwardoMario16
06/06/17 2:21:05 PM
#52:


A deal that places a burden on U.S taxpayers to pay for the polluting mess that China and India make.

But "it's good deal" because "it saves the planet" even though it said absolutely nothing about saving the planet.

Trump is bad. Gotta save the planet.
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Amputation
06/06/17 2:21:10 PM
#53:


Tropicalwood posted...
Link HT posted...
How is something non-enforceable and with terms each individual country decides for themselves a bad deal...?

how is pulling out of it bad then


Because of the embarrassment and disrespect it brought our nation

Don't worry I'll facepalm for you
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Sanktu_Vyvorant
06/06/17 2:22:00 PM
#54:


EdwardoMario16 posted...
A deal that places a burden on U.S taxpayers to pay for the polluting mess that China and India make.

But "it's good deal" because "it saves the planet" even though it said absolutely nothing about saving the planet.

Trump is bad. Gotta save the planet.


It doesn't place a burden on anyone though
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voldothegr8
06/06/17 2:23:37 PM
#55:


Tropicalwood posted...
Link HT posted...
How is something non-enforceable and with terms each individual country decides for themselves a bad deal...?

how is pulling out of it bad then

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Sanktu_Vyvorant
06/06/17 2:24:19 PM
#56:


voldothegr8 posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
Link HT posted...
How is something non-enforceable and with terms each individual country decides for themselves a bad deal...?

how is pulling out of it bad then


Amputation posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
Link HT posted...
How is something non-enforceable and with terms each individual country decides for themselves a bad deal...?

how is pulling out of it bad then


Because of the embarrassment and disrespect it brought our nation

Don't worry I'll facepalm for you

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Tropicalwood
06/06/17 2:24:27 PM
#57:


Amputation posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
Link HT posted...
How is something non-enforceable and with terms each individual country decides for themselves a bad deal...?

how is pulling out of it bad then


Because of the embarrassment and disrespect it brought our nation

Don't worry I'll facepalm for you

You mean like when all these climate change idiots go off to rave about it at conventions halfway across the globe while ignoring the fact that they had a motorcade of 30 vehicles for one person.
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Amputation
06/06/17 2:24:54 PM
#58:


Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
EdwardoMario16 posted...
A deal that places a burden on U.S taxpayers to pay for the polluting mess that China and India make.

But "it's good deal" because "it saves the planet" even though it said absolutely nothing about saving the planet.

Trump is bad. Gotta save the planet.


It doesn't place a burden on anyone though


You can repeat this over and over to the Trumpettes and they'll never get it

Then they will reply "then how is pulling out of it a bad thing?" - Tropicalwood

Then you gotta school their ass about reputation and embarrassment and why it matters

And they still won't get it. Basically, Trumpettes are a waste of time
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Amputation
06/06/17 2:25:46 PM
#59:


Tropicalwood posted...
Amputation posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
Link HT posted...
How is something non-enforceable and with terms each individual country decides for themselves a bad deal...?

how is pulling out of it bad then


Because of the embarrassment and disrespect it brought our nation

Don't worry I'll facepalm for you

You mean like when all these climate change idiots go off to rave about it at conventions halfway across the globe while ignoring the fact that they had a motorcade of 30 vehicles for one person.


That literally has nothing to do with my response
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Questionmarktarius
06/06/17 2:25:57 PM
#60:


Tropicalwood posted...
Link HT posted...
How is something non-enforceable and with terms each individual country decides for themselves a bad deal...?

how is pulling out of it bad then

Because, the whole point of politics is to give the appearance of attempting to do something while accomplishing nothing, not giving the appearance of not attempting to do something.
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Tropicalwood
06/06/17 2:26:39 PM
#62:


Amputation is having a meltdown.

Seems like his best argument to support global warming yet.
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Sanktu_Vyvorant
06/06/17 2:26:39 PM
#61:


Amputation posted...
Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...
EdwardoMario16 posted...
A deal that places a burden on U.S taxpayers to pay for the polluting mess that China and India make.

But "it's good deal" because "it saves the planet" even though it said absolutely nothing about saving the planet.

Trump is bad. Gotta save the planet.


It doesn't place a burden on anyone though


You can repeat this over and over to the Trumpettes and they'll never get it

Then they will reply "then how is pulling out of it a bad thing?" - Tropicalwood

Then you gotta school their ass about reputation and embarrassment and why it matters

And they still won't get it. Basically, Trumpettes are a waste of time


This is true
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Damn_Underscore
06/06/17 2:28:56 PM
#63:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
There's no way even 28% could explain what this deal does. They just know what the media tells them.

The 59% don't know either.


Yeah, I meant there's no way 28% of Americans could explain the deal

There's no way like even 1% of Americans could explain the deal
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Amputation
06/06/17 2:29:27 PM
#64:


Tropicalwood posted...
Amputation is having a meltdown.

Seems like his best argument to support global warming yet.


Ok, this response proves you have no rebuttal

Here, you can have your strawman back that you left in post 57 *hands over strawman*
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Questionmarktarius
06/06/17 2:29:38 PM
#65:


Damn_Underscore posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
There's no way even 28% could explain what this deal does. They just know what the media tells them.

The 59% don't know either.


Yeah, I meant there's no way 28% of Americans could explain the deal

There's no way like even 1% of Americans could explain the deal

The only reason CE knows anything about it is because we fight over it all the goddamn time.
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Tropicalwood
06/06/17 2:30:32 PM
#66:


Stop acting like a t-r-u-m-p-a-n-z-i-e
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hollow_shrine
06/06/17 2:31:35 PM
#67:


Tropicalwood posted...
Amputation is having a meltdown.

Seems like his best argument to support global warming yet.

You should be grateful. He's giving your sincerity more credit than it deserves. We can't force you to make an effort to learn what you're talking about before flapping your gums, but we can ask nicely. Please.
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Amputation
06/06/17 2:33:07 PM
#68:


hollow_shrine posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
Amputation is having a meltdown.

Seems like his best argument to support global warming yet.

You should be grateful. He's giving your sincerity more credit than it deserves. We can't force you to make an effort to learn what you're talking about before flapping your gums, but we can ask nicely. Please.


Yeah, I was clearly wasting my time

He couldn't defend the actual hit to America's reputation backing out of this accord did indeed cause, so he gave me some strawman crap and started on the "meltdown" train
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scoobydoobydont
06/06/17 2:33:45 PM
#69:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
There's no way even 28% could explain what this deal does. They just know what the media tells them.

The 59% don't know either.


The small fraction of informed people who do understand it are part of that 59% that support it.
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Questionmarktarius
06/06/17 2:35:05 PM
#70:


Amputation posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
Amputation is having a meltdown.

Seems like his best argument to support global warming yet.

You should be grateful. He's giving your sincerity more credit than it deserves. We can't force you to make an effort to learn what you're talking about before flapping your gums, but we can ask nicely. Please.


Yeah, I was clearly wasting my time

He couldn't defend the actual hit to America's reputation backing out of this accord did indeed cause, so he gave me some strawman crap and started on the "meltdown" train


It's a "purity pledge". Nothing more.
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Damn_Underscore
06/06/17 2:35:22 PM
#71:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
There's no way even 28% could explain what this deal does. They just know what the media tells them.

The 59% don't know either.


Yeah, I meant there's no way 28% of Americans could explain the deal

There's no way like even 1% of Americans could explain the deal

The only reason CE knows anything about it is because we fight over it all the goddamn time.


But almost no one on CE could explain it.

The argument on CE (and in the media too) is "if you care about the environment then you support it, if you hate the environment then you're against it" vs. "it's a bad deal"
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Tropicalwood
06/06/17 2:37:09 PM
#72:


hollow_shrine posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
Amputation is having a meltdown.

Seems like his best argument to support global warming yet.

You should be grateful. He's giving your sincerity more credit than it deserves. We can't force you to make an effort to learn what you're talking about before flapping your gums, but we can ask nicely. Please.

"TRUMP IS KILLING THE PLANET"
"This bill doesn't require us to do anything"
"It's wrong to back out because mindless idiots are laughing at us"

Will you ever stop defending stupid crap liberal say because your parents never spanked you hard enough.
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Questionmarktarius
06/06/17 2:37:36 PM
#73:


Damn_Underscore posted...
The argument on CE (and in the media too) is "if you care about the environment then you support it, if you hate the environment then you're against it" vs. "it's a bad deal"

...

...

[insert "i guess!" meme here]
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3rd_Best_Master
06/06/17 2:37:43 PM
#74:


There's a pretty big problem with deals being negotiated with by Democrat administrations only for the next Republican administration to pull out at the last second. Why bother including America in anything when the next Republican president is just going to shit the bed for no other reason than pure spite or to rally their base?
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Amputation
06/06/17 2:37:44 PM
#75:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Amputation posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
Amputation is having a meltdown.

Seems like his best argument to support global warming yet.

You should be grateful. He's giving your sincerity more credit than it deserves. We can't force you to make an effort to learn what you're talking about before flapping your gums, but we can ask nicely. Please.


Yeah, I was clearly wasting my time

He couldn't defend the actual hit to America's reputation backing out of this accord did indeed cause, so he gave me some strawman crap and started on the "meltdown" train


It's a "purity pledge". Nothing more.


Yeah, one that made us look stupid for not participating in, hence USA is the laughing stock around the world (not just because of this of course)
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Tropicalwood
06/06/17 2:39:03 PM
#76:


Amputation posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Amputation posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
Amputation is having a meltdown.

Seems like his best argument to support global warming yet.

You should be grateful. He's giving your sincerity more credit than it deserves. We can't force you to make an effort to learn what you're talking about before flapping your gums, but we can ask nicely. Please.


Yeah, I was clearly wasting my time

He couldn't defend the actual hit to America's reputation backing out of this accord did indeed cause, so he gave me some strawman crap and started on the "meltdown" train


It's a "purity pledge". Nothing more.


Yeah, one that made us look stupid for not participating in, hence USA is the laughing stock around the world (not just because of this of course)

Letting Obama sign our country into a stupid agreement without any input from Congress was laughable.
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Amputation
06/06/17 2:39:33 PM
#77:


Tropicalwood posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
Amputation is having a meltdown.

Seems like his best argument to support global warming yet.

You should be grateful. He's giving your sincerity more credit than it deserves. We can't force you to make an effort to learn what you're talking about before flapping your gums, but we can ask nicely. Please.

"TRUMP IS KILLING THE PLANET"
"This bill doesn't require us to do anything"
"It's wrong to back out because mindless idiots are laughing at us"

Will you ever stop defending stupid crap liberal say because your parents never spanked you hard enough.


Who said Trump is killing the planet? I think most people just think he doesn't give a fuck, which is true

Now some crap about spanking. Face it, you don't have an argument for this stupidity on Trump's part, and you're showing that clearly

Tagged as "Strawmans BFF"
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Tropicalwood
06/06/17 2:40:18 PM
#78:


Amputation posted...

Who said Trump is killing the planet? I think most people just think he doesn't give a fuck, which is true

Now some crap about spanking

Tagged as "Strawmans BFF"

Get back onto your main Kim, no one's buying that it isn't you.
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voldothegr8
06/06/17 2:40:56 PM
#79:


3rd_Best_Master posted...
There's a pretty big problem with deals being negotiated with by Democrat administrations only for the next Republican administration to pull out at the last second. Why bother including America in anything when the next Republican president is just going to shit the bed for no other reason than pure spite or to rally their base?

To be fair Obama should have ran it through congress before ever hopping on and he bypassed that whole process.
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Link HT
06/06/17 2:41:07 PM
#80:


Tropicalwood posted...
Link HT posted...
How is something non-enforceable and with terms each individual country decides for themselves a bad deal...?

how is pulling out of it bad then

because it shows not only that the US will change nothing regarding their carbon emissions, but also that their leader doesn't believe in climate change.

The deal didn't force you to do anything, it's more of a show of commitment to try and change those things by setting goals and means to reach them. Not signing means you won't do either.
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Amputation
06/06/17 2:41:40 PM
#81:


Tropicalwood posted...
Amputation posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Amputation posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
Amputation is having a meltdown.

Seems like his best argument to support global warming yet.

You should be grateful. He's giving your sincerity more credit than it deserves. We can't force you to make an effort to learn what you're talking about before flapping your gums, but we can ask nicely. Please.


Yeah, I was clearly wasting my time

He couldn't defend the actual hit to America's reputation backing out of this accord did indeed cause, so he gave me some strawman crap and started on the "meltdown" train


It's a "purity pledge". Nothing more.


Yeah, one that made us look stupid for not participating in, hence USA is the laughing stock around the world (not just because of this of course)

Letting Obama sign our country into a stupid agreement without any input from Congress was laughable.


Why? Do you know what congress does?

I'm beginning to think that your ignorance isn't worth engaging
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Amputation
06/06/17 2:42:20 PM
#82:


voldothegr8 posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
There's a pretty big problem with deals being negotiated with by Democrat administrations only for the next Republican administration to pull out at the last second. Why bother including America in anything when the next Republican president is just going to shit the bed for no other reason than pure spite or to rally their base?

To be fair Obama should have ran it through congress before ever hopping on and he bypassed that whole process.


Why should he have went to Congress

This isn't legislation
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hollow_shrine
06/06/17 2:42:25 PM
#83:


Tropicalwood posted...
Amputation posted...

Who said Trump is killing the planet? I think most people just think he doesn't give a fuck, which is true

Now some crap about spanking

Tagged as "Strawmans BFF"

Get back onto your main Kim, no one's buying that it isn't you.

Please, at least he's topical. You breeze and generalize like you barely finished reading the cliffnotes.

Again. Effort. Please.
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Amputation
06/06/17 2:42:58 PM
#84:


Tropicalwood posted...
Amputation posted...

Who said Trump is killing the planet? I think most people just think he doesn't give a fuck, which is true

Now some crap about spanking

Tagged as "Strawmans BFF"

Get back onto your main Kim, no one's buying that it isn't you.


The ultimate "I have no argument" - alt accusations, lol
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creativerealms
06/06/17 2:43:05 PM
#85:


I wish it was higher but 59% isn't bad.
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Tropicalwood
06/06/17 2:44:52 PM
#86:


Link HT posted...
because it shows not only that the US will change nothing regarding their carbon emissions, but also that their leader doesn't believe in climate change.

The deal didn't force you to do anything, it's more of a show of commitment to try and change those things by setting goals and means to reach them. Not signing means you won't do either.

I'd rather have someone being painfully honest than a fucking liar.
Amputation posted...
Why? Do you know what congress does?

https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Treaties.htm
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Amputation
06/06/17 2:45:31 PM
#87:


*waiting for the Trumpettes to explain why Congress should have been consulted about this (???)

Lol
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Tropicalwood
06/06/17 2:45:59 PM
#88:


You seem to be in full meltdown mode today, Kim.

This should ease your meltdown.
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voldothegr8
06/06/17 2:46:06 PM
#89:


Amputation posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
There's a pretty big problem with deals being negotiated with by Democrat administrations only for the next Republican administration to pull out at the last second. Why bother including America in anything when the next Republican president is just going to shit the bed for no other reason than pure spite or to rally their base?

To be fair Obama should have ran it through congress before ever hopping on and he bypassed that whole process.


Why should he have went to Congress

This isn't legislation

It's a treaty and all treaties are supposed to get approved by the senate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_Clause

Article II, Section 2, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution, includes the Treaty Clause, which empowers the president of the United States to propose and chiefly negotiate agreements, which must be confirmed by the Senate, between the United States and other countries, which become treaties between the United States and other countries after the advice and consent of a supermajority of the United States Senate.

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Questionmarktarius
06/06/17 2:47:30 PM
#90:


Amputation posted...
*waiting for the Trumpettes to explain why Congress should have been consulted about this (???)

Lol


...okay!

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii#section2
He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;
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Amputation
06/06/17 2:47:35 PM
#91:


Tropicalwood posted...
Link HT posted...
because it shows not only that the US will change nothing regarding their carbon emissions, but also that their leader doesn't believe in climate change.

The deal didn't force you to do anything, it's more of a show of commitment to try and change those things by setting goals and means to reach them. Not signing means you won't do either.

I'd rather have someone being painfully honest than a fucking liar.
Amputation posted...
Why? Do you know what congress does?

https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Treaties.htm


This isn't a treaty, it is an agreement

A treaty would have enforceable terms

Nice try though

Why was no one outraged back when Obama did enter this and didn't consult congress, lol
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Tropicalwood
06/06/17 2:48:42 PM
#92:


Amputation posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
Link HT posted...
because it shows not only that the US will change nothing regarding their carbon emissions, but also that their leader doesn't believe in climate change.

The deal didn't force you to do anything, it's more of a show of commitment to try and change those things by setting goals and means to reach them. Not signing means you won't do either.

I'd rather have someone being painfully honest than a fucking liar.
Amputation posted...
Why? Do you know what congress does?

https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Treaties.htm


This isn't a treaty, it is an agreement

A treaty would have enforceable terms

Nice try though

Why was no one outraged back when Obama did enter this and didn't consult congress, lol

Google
trea·ty
%u02C8tr%u0113d%u0113/
noun
noun: treaty; plural noun: treaties

a formally concluded and ratified agreement between countries.

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Amputation
06/06/17 2:48:46 PM
#93:


"the operation of treaties as laws, plead strongly for the participation of the whole or a portion of the legislative body in the office of making them.”

Yeah, there are no laws in the Paris agreement

Git gud at government
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Questionmarktarius
06/06/17 2:48:48 PM
#94:


Amputation posted...
Why was no one outraged back when Obama did enter this and didn't consult congress, lol

You obviously don't have an AM radio.
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Amputation
06/06/17 2:51:05 PM
#95:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Amputation posted...
Why was no one outraged back when Obama did enter this and didn't consult congress, lol

You obviously don't have an AM radio.


You're right

Ok, I rephrase - why was nobody who mattered outraged
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Ving_Rhames
06/06/17 2:52:03 PM
#96:


Amputation posted...
Are not jerbs the Trumpettes biggest concern?


They aren't really sure
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Tropicalwood
06/06/17 2:53:21 PM
#97:


Ahhhem, @Amputation
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/treaty
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Link HT
06/06/17 2:57:03 PM
#98:


Tropicalwood posted...
I'd rather have someone being painfully honest than a fucking liar.

Right, because being honest about being an ignorant piece of shit is so much better.

meh who am I kidding, Trump knows full well what he's doing, he just doesn't give a fuck and is doing what will get him the most money.
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Amputation
06/06/17 2:57:10 PM
#99:


Tropicalwood posted...
Ahhhem, @Amputation
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/treaty


You are literally arguing the definition of treaty, as if that absolves all of your ignorance and false points you made ITT lol

There are no laws in the Paris agreement.

Congress is consulted about legislation and laws

I'll facepalm for you again as I exit my engagement with you, bye Strawman's BFF
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06/06/17 2:59:08 PM
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Hey everyone, forget everything Tropicalwood said that demonstrated ignorance and a complete lack of knowledge about the Paris agreement - he knows the definition of treaty and that is the real issue here

Tropicalwood FTW, the rest of us rekt
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