Current Events > UK Prime Minister: 'If human rights laws get in the way of tackling terrorism...

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Bluster posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

I'm all 3 and yet I've never wanted to join a terrorist group. Weird.

Yeah, you've always been a shining example of sanity and rationality lmfao

I know I haven't, which makes these terrorists even more crazy than people want to admit lol.
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Thompson posted...

Admiral? Isn't he the guy who said that the United Airlines passenger deserved the beating and was a revolting and pathetic excuse for a human being?

Wouldn't surprise me.

I guess this is one way to derail a topic.
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In which CE acts offended and holier-than-thou without realizing that in order to combat Terrorism there's going to have to be A LOT of uncomfortable decisions made.
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Vyrulisse posted...

In which CE acts offended and holier-than-thou without realizing that in order to combat Terrorism there's going to have to be A LOT of uncomfortable decisions made.

as long as we're throwing out all morality or humanity, who's going to be the one to suggest committing genocide on all brown people? Come on, someone's got to. You want to, Vy? You seemed eager to get on with it.
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Bluster posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

In which CE acts offended and holier-than-thou without realizing that in order to combat Terrorism there's going to have to be A LOT of uncomfortable decisions made.

as long as we're throwing out all morality or humanity, who's going to be the one to suggest committing genocide on all brown people? Come on, someone's got to. You want to, Vy? You seemed eager to get on with it.

Literally never even mentioned race or anything about murdering innocent people but continue your bullshit moral superiority nonsense. If you want to truly combat this menace and not just learn to live with it, we're going to have to give up things in the process. It's not ideal and it's not good but it's the nature of the battle.
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Vyrulisse posted...

In which CE acts offended and holier-than-thou without realizing that in order to combat Terrorism there's going to have to be A LOT of uncomfortable decisions made.

Is giving up our freedom and allowing the government to control what information we can and can't see the way to go?
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Vyrulisse posted...

In which CE acts offended and holier-than-thou without realizing that in order to combat Terrorism there's going to have to be A LOT of uncomfortable decisions made.

This is the basis upon which a good percentage of all of history's horrifying blunders have been made

"there's going to have to be A LOT of uncomfortable decisions made."
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Doom_Art posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

In which CE acts offended and holier-than-thou without realizing that in order to combat Terrorism there's going to have to be A LOT of uncomfortable decisions made.

This is the basis upon which a good percentage of all of history's horrifying blunders have been made

"there's going to have to be A LOT of uncomfortable decisions made."

Okay, educate me how you combat this without making hard decisions on how to proceed forward. If your answer has anything to do with flowery understanding and crap like that don't bother.
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Funkydog posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

In which CE acts offended and holier-than-thou without realizing that in order to combat Terrorism there's going to have to be A LOT of uncomfortable decisions made.

Is giving up our freedom and allowing the government to control what information we can and can't see the way to go?

Implying that isn't happening now and wouldn't happen even if terrorism didn't exist. Don't be naive.
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Super easy to support racial or ethnic profiling if you've no threat of being on its bad side.
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Vyrulisse posted...

If your answer has anything to do with flowery understanding and crap like that don't bother.

Nothing in my explanation had "understanding in it" but your use of this sentence is point enough that you're not willing to hear out anything I say anyway.

I'm just wondering how these "hard decisions" are going to work out. Historically stuff like this hasn't done much to combat terror or disorder.

Even so, let's pretend that the government is given this power, cracks down on terrorists (somehow?) then everything is solved. Then you're left with an authoritarian surveillance state in charge of controlling/monitoring the internet. What exactly do you do about THAT?
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Vyrulisse posted...

Funkydog posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

In which CE acts offended and holier-than-thou without realizing that in order to combat Terrorism there's going to have to be A LOT of uncomfortable decisions made.

Is giving up our freedom and allowing the government to control what information we can and can't see the way to go?

Implying that isn't happening now and wouldn't happen even if terrorism didn't exist. Don't be naive.

So we should simply give them full control to censor information?

Would you be okay with your President censoring Media/information at his discretion? The ability to imprison anyone they believe "threatens" them? It can and will be used all too easily to enforce their agenda and stamp out any dissent.

It is the kind of horror you expect of dictatorships or can read in books people constantly reference in these matters.
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Vyrulisse posted...

Implying that isn't happening now and wouldn't happen even if terrorism didn't exist. Don't be naive.

"The terrorists!"


You're sounding very reactionary ITT. I recommend taking a step away from the news for a few hours/days and cooling off.
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Doom_Art posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

If your answer has anything to do with flowery understanding and crap like that don't bother.

Nothing in my explanation had "understanding in it" but your use of this sentence is point enough that you're not willing to hear out anything I say anyway.

I'm just wondering how these "hard decisions" are going to work out. Historically stuff like this hasn't done much to combat terror or disorder.

Even so, let's pretend that the government is given this power, cracks down on terrorists (somehow?) then everything is solved. Then you're left with an authoritarian surveillance state in charge of controlling/monitoring the internet. What exactly do you do about THAT?

There's nothing to be done about that because it's going to happen regardless. Those wheels are already in motion and have been for a long time.
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ReignFury posted...

I bet indigenous people wish they had racially profiled british colonies

Ehh, for the most part, they did. It's not a secret that tribes conducted raids on small settlements and caravans. They couldn't do it haphazardly though when the settlers started showing up with military escorts. To be fair, not all tribes were equally aggressive and violent, which is a reflection of their diversity.
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Governments will use the fear of terrorism to condition people into being fine with their civil liberties being reduced, police being militarized, and eventually the internet being in a very closed, surveilled state.
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Vyrulisse posted...

There's nothing to be done about that because it's going to happen regardless. Those wheels are already in motion and have been for a long time.

You've preemptively accepted an Orwellian expansion of the surveillance and security state at the expense of human rights, but terrorism to you is something we must "combat...and not just learn to live with it."

I think we have more influence and ability to curb the scope of government surveillance than the violence of extremists.
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Discriminatory police and justice systems worked so well for the UK in the past!!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guildford_Four_and_Maguire_Seven
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Has there been outlash over this statement in the UK?
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I hope they go full force on regulating and controlling absolutely every aspect of UK citizens' lives. Maybe then they'll begin to fear and detest big government for a change.

Vyrulisse posted...

In which CE acts offended and holier-than-thou without realizing that in order to combat Terrorism there's going to have to be A LOT of uncomfortable decisions made.

Says the white person who will be completely and totally unaffected by this.
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What's funny about this is that May has gone on record saying that police street searches, basically the UK verison of Stop and Frisk being based on race an quotas is evil and immoral and has to be stopped.

But then turns around and says "Oh but we can ignore human rights if it helps me clamp down on the Internet."
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WafflehouseJK posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

In which CE acts offended and holier-than-thou without realizing that in order to combat Terrorism there's going to have to be A LOT of uncomfortable decisions made.

Says the white person who will be completely and totally unaffected by this.

how do you know she is white? how do you know she will be unaffected? you're assuming out of your lil SJW asshole right now, bruh

QuantumScript posted...

WafflehouseJK posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

In which CE acts offended and holier-than-thou without realizing that in order to combat Terrorism there's going to have to be A LOT of uncomfortable decisions made.

Says the white person who will be completely and totally unaffected by this.

how do you know she is white? how do you know she will be unaffected? you're assuming out of your lil SJW asshole right now, bruh

I mean, she isnt British, so wont be affected anyway.

Regardless, anyone who is content to sign away their freedoms to the government in the amount May wants should probably realise just what it will mean.

Or you know, be unable to eventually as the government deems it dangerous and supporting detrimental activities.
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WafflehouseJK posted...

The Admiral posted...

Good, racial and ethnic profiling are long overdue.

Holy fuck, this is a real thing a real person just said.

Why would he say dat
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QuantumScript posted...

I hope they go full force on regulating and controlling absolutely every aspect of UK citizens' lives. Maybe then they'll begin to fear and detest big government for a change.

"I hope the government teaches people who disagree with me a lesson."
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Why do conservative posters that believe in small government almost always toss their morals in the trash when it comes to brown people? It's pretty weird how frequent that occurs around here.
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

Why do conservative posters that believe in small government almost always toss their morals in the trash when it comes to brown people? It's pretty weird how frequent that occurs around here.

don't forget all the small gov fanatics love organs of the state like large, extremely well funded armies or the police and actively hate any form of resistance against them!
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Yeah this is how the terrorists win, have a bunch of stupid elected officials ruin your country

Seaman_Prime posted...

Yeah this is how the terrorists win, have a bunch of stupid elected officials ruin your country

No, terrorists win when they kill you, not when the country is "ruined with stricter immigration laws", whatever that means.
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Seaman_Prime posted...

Yeah this is how the terrorists win, have a bunch of stupid elected officials ruin your country

May wasn't elected on two levels.

1. There was no election. The previous leader stepped down, she took his place.

2. The UK election isn't for the PM, it's for your local MP. The PM is just the leader of the party that has the most MPS.


Granted in a weeks time the conservatives will have won again but even so.
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I love how "tough decisions" is always code for treating brown people as a class like human garbage. It never involves stronger attempts at cultural integration or economic aid or changes in foreign policy. That's not punitive enough and we know making "tough decisions" always means handing out pain to minority groups, not helping them.

Admiral is just being honest. He has long supported blatant profiling as long as it is of brown people. He's fine with collective punishment, fully giving into belief stereotypes, widespread violations of rights, big government policies, etc as long as it affects people in a class he will never be a part of. If anything like that were to happen to him though, he'd be screaming bloody murder. The same goes for everyone else who supports "tough decisions" like these.

Many of you are conservative and yet you're rooting for the constitution or equivalent documents to be torn up when it comes to people with dark skin or an accent. You claim to like freedom but you'd probably support raids on mosques and hyper aggressive policing. Regardless of the effect this is sure to have on society at large, you should be out there in front opposing stuff like this if you really value these rights and freedoms.
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legendary_zell posted...

I love how "tough decisions" is always code for treating brown people as a class like human garbage. It never involves stronger attempts at cultural integration or economic aid or changes in foreign policy. That's not punitive enough and we know making "tough decisions" always means handing out pain to minority groups, not helping them.

Admiral is just being honest. He has long supported blatant profiling as long as it is of brown people. He's fine with collective punishment, fully giving into belief stereotypes, widespread violations of rights, big government policies, etc as long as it affects people in a class he will never be a part of. If anything like that were to happen to him though, he'd be screaming bloody murder. The same goes for everyone else who supports "tough decisions" like these.

Many of you are conservative and yet you're rooting for the constitution or equivalent documents to be torn up when it comes to people with dark skin or an accent. You claim to like freedom but you'd probably support raids on mosques and hyper aggressive policing. Regardless of the effect this is sure to have on society at large, you should be out there in front opposing stuff like this if you really value these rights and freedoms.

certifiably #real post
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legendary_zell posted...

I love how "tough decisions" is always code for treating brown people as a class like human garbage. It never involves stronger attempts at cultural integration or economic aid or changes in foreign policy. That's not punitive enough and we know making "tough decisions" always means handing out pain to minority groups, not helping them.

Admiral is just being honest. He has long supported blatant profiling as long as it is of brown people. He's fine with collective punishment, fully giving into belief stereotypes, widespread violations of rights, big government policies, etc as long as it affects people in a class he will never be a part of. If anything like that were to happen to him though, he'd be screaming bloody murder. The same goes for everyone else who supports "tough decisions" like these.

Many of you are conservative and yet you're rooting for the constitution or equivalent documents to be torn up when it comes to people with dark skin or an accent. You claim to like freedom but you'd probably support raids on mosques and hyper aggressive policing. Regardless of the effect this is sure to have on society at large, you should be out there in front opposing stuff like this if you really value these rights and freedoms.

*clap clap*
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QuantumScript posted...

WafflehouseJK posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

In which CE acts offended and holier-than-thou without realizing that in order to combat Terrorism there's going to have to be A LOT of uncomfortable decisions made.

Says the white person who will be completely and totally unaffected by this.

how do you know she is white? how do you know she will be unaffected? you're assuming out of your lil SJW asshole right now, bruh

Because I know her, she's a friend of mine, and I've seen a picture of her.
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For everyone calling Admiral racist for saying that,

Suppose an AI was posed the question, is racial profiling logical given all the data that exists on terrorism. What if it answered yes? Would you call the AI racist?

I don't support what he said btw just curious what y'all would think of this.
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Howl posted...

Suppose an AI was posed the question, is racial profiling logical given all the data that exists on terrorism

That wasn't the question or how his answer was framed.
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Sir Will posted...

Howl posted...

Suppose an AI was posed the question, is racial profiling logical given all the data that exists on terrorism

That wasn't the question or how his answer was framed.

There wasn't a question at all, he just blurted that out with no regard at all. That's irrelevant to what I asked anyway.
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Howl posted...

For everyone calling Admiral racist for saying that,

Suppose an AI was posed the question, is racial profiling logical given all the data that exists on terrorism. What if it answered yes? Would you call the AI racist?

I don't support what he said btw just curious what y'all would think of this.

It's logical in the same way that execution/life imprisonment of all criminals is a logical way to end crime. Furthermore, while an AI might not be expected to understand all of the economic, political, moral, historical, and social reasons why it's a bad idea, humans certainly are. That's why we already had these debates and created anti-discrimination and human rights laws in the first place.
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Rika_Furude posted...

Seaman_Prime posted...

Yeah this is how the terrorists win, have a bunch of stupid elected officials ruin your country

No, terrorists win when they kill you, not when the country is "ruined with stricter immigration laws", whatever that means.

The terrorist's want the removal of our rights, so removing our rights means they win.
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Howl posted...

Suppose an AI was posed the question, is racial profiling logical given all the data that exists on terrorism. What if it answered yes? Would you call the AI racist?

Logic doesn't have shit to do with it. Our laws, our ethics, our values are based on things other than raw logic. As they should be.
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Antifar posted...

Howl posted...

Suppose an AI was posed the question, is racial profiling logical given all the data that exists on terrorism. What if it answered yes? Would you call the AI racist?

Logic doesn't have shit to do with it. Our laws, our ethics, our values are based on things other than raw logic. As they should be.

Lmfao can I sig this?

legendary_zell posted...

Furthermore, while an AI might not be expected to understand all of the economic, political, moral, historical, and social reasons why it's a bad idea, humans certainly are.

Why do you just assume that an AI wouldn't understand as much, and still come to an opposing conclusion than humans did?

What if all the overarching reasons that humans did come to such conclusions are just simply not logically consistent and the AI can identify exactly why they aren't logical, even though humans themselves can't?
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WafflehouseJK posted...

QuantumScript posted...

WafflehouseJK posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

In which CE acts offended and holier-than-thou without realizing that in order to combat Terrorism there's going to have to be A LOT of uncomfortable decisions made.

Says the white person who will be completely and totally unaffected by this.

how do you know she is white? how do you know she will be unaffected? you're assuming out of your lil SJW asshole right now, bruh

Because I know her, she's a friend of mine, and I've seen a picture of her.

"Hey guys I saw a picture of her, therefore she's my friend and I can literally bring up the fact that she's white even though it serves no purpose. BECAUSE WHITE PEOPLE ARE PRIVILEGED!!1111"

Bluster posted...

The Admiral posted...

racial and ethnic profiling are long overdue.

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haha honestly "what if an AI said this???"
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NinjaBreakfast posted...

haha honestly "what if an AI said this???"

Would it change your opinion? What if I'm really an AI? How would you know the difference?
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Howl posted...

NinjaBreakfast posted...

haha honestly "what if an AI said this???"

Would it change your opinion? What if I'm really an AI? How would you know the difference?

Can I have whatever you're on lol
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Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

Howl posted...

NinjaBreakfast posted...

haha honestly "what if an AI said this???"

Would it change your opinion? What if I'm really an AI? How would you know the difference?

Can I have whatever you're on lol

How is that even an absurd question? It's downright realistic tbh. People are already using AI on message boards to sway public opinion. It's not far fetched at all to question whether someone here could be an AI.

https://medium.com/join-scout/the-rise-of-the-weaponized-ai-propaganda-machine-86dac61668b
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-Gavirulax- posted...

It's about time the UK government at least pretended to be serious about the threat of radical Islam. While her stupid attempt to "control" the Internet should be shunned.

Also many terrorists are educated and well off, that argument hasn't worked in a long while - it's about the only current ideology on the planet that manages to spread the same shit to just about every country it touches (from UK, to Philippines to Australia to the US).

I'm going to turn off my evil white privilege and listen to the one person in this topic who was actually raised Muslim and knows what he's talking about. Thanks for showing up to this shit topic Gavi.