Poll of the Day > Free Speech in Canada has just been cancelled, M103 passed

(+) Yeah! (+)

~~Lolz, ~~

I agree with the Queen-God.

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What?
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TheGreatNoodles posted...

What?

Ironically, this is a case where I want to link to the source; but doing so is now a "hate-crime", under Canadian law.
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Lokarin posted...

TheGreatNoodles posted...

What?

Ironically, this is a case where I want to link to the source; but doing so is now a "hate-crime", under Canadian law.

O.o
Even if it's an official statement you link to?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVVDQnkqh8M
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How dare you link to such hate speech!
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TheGreatNoodles posted...

How dare you link to such hate speech!

That's the thing tho, it's actually hate speech now
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You're joking, right?

zebatov posted...

You're joking, right?

Nope.
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HoC or senate?

Trudeau Sr. turned Canada into fucking hippie world. Anything to balance that out is fine.
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You, uh... do understand that Motions like M103 are non-binding, right?

A motion is not a bill. The law hasn't changed at all. A Motion is basically just saying "The government thinks this." It has all the legislative power of a Facebook press release.
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I remember when this first broke, and it was a group of them in Saskatchewan that was pushing for this, because they felt like they were being attacked... Welcome to a country where that's allowed.

Don't like it? Go home.

So I guess it's okay for them to crap all over our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, then.

darkknight109 posted...

You, uh... do understand that Motions like M103 are non-binding, right?

A motion is not a bill. The law hasn't changed at all. A Motion is basically just saying "The government thinks this." It has all the legislative power of a Facebook press release.

Nah, it's passed HoC already. It just needs to pass senate... That's why I asked.

Motion > HoC > Bill > Senate > Law.

darkknight109 posted...

You, uh... do understand that Motions like M103 are non-binding, right?

It's not that, but rather the nearly infinite powers the Human Rights Tribunal has been given and the nebulous wording of M103.

It means anything that MIGHT be CONSTRUED as OFFENSIVE to ANYONE... you can be investigated and put on trial (hearing) indefinitely.
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Dude, it's not that at all. It only protects "them".

http://globalnews.ca/news/3330776/anti-islamophobia-motion-m-103-approved/

And of course she was relieved... She needs the boot and so does Trudumb. They both have no business there. Just like Trudumb Sr almost collapsed us in the 80s over oil as well.

zebatov posted...

I remember when this first broke, and it was a group of them in Saskatchewan that was pushing for this, because they felt like they were being attacked...

A group of "them". I see.

zebatov posted...

Welcome to a country where that's allowed.

It's also a country where you're allowed to "attack" black people, gay people, men, women, or any other group you like within the bounds of the law. That doesn't mean that sort of conduct should be celebrated, nor does it mean the government is out of line in saying that that sort of talk is horse-shit that we'd be better off without.

zebatov posted...

Don't like it? Go home.

I love the implication here that all Muslims are foreigners and that Canadian-born Muslims simply don't exist.

zebatov posted...

So I guess it's okay for them to crap all over our Charter of Rights and Freedoms, then.

Yeah, look at them crapping all over it with their non-binding motion saying that discrimination is bad! How dare the government take an opinion with absolutely no legislative power that runs contrary to my own prejudices!
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...it's actually a bill now, I just posted a link?

It's actually pretty sad how many "Canadians" are okay with the direction this country is headed to the point where they support it and defend against Canadians who care about the country.

And the born-citizens-turned weren't the ones behind this.

zebatov posted...

Motion > HoC > Bill > Senate > Law.

Wrong. Motions are a separate entity from bills and laws; they do not become bills or laws as they pass.

If a parliamentarian wants to change the law, they introduce a bill. That bill is debated by the HoC, goes through readings/committees, then moves on to the Senate, and if it is passed, it becomes law.

If a parliamentarian simply wants to state an opinion, or do a couple of other procedural things, they use a motion instead. Motions, unlike bills, do not go through first, second, and third readings, or through committees - once they are debated and voted on, they're effectively dead from a procedural standpoint. Motions do not alter existing law or create new laws; they are simply a formal statement of Parliament taking an opinion on something.

Hell, I'm not even sure motions ever go to the senate. As far as I know, once they are voted on in the House, that's the end of it.

Lokarin posted...

It's not that, but rather the nearly infinite powers the Human Rights Tribunal has been given

Which is utterly unaffected by M103.

Again, M103 is non-binding. If you're upset about the power HRTs wield... well, they wield just as much now as they did prior to the motion's passage.
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zebatov posted...

...it's actually a bill now, I just posted a link?

A link to an article that never once mentions the word "bill."
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Here, if you want a good source, use one that's actually written by the House of Commons:

http://www.ourcommons.ca/About/Guides/PrivateMembersBusiness-e.html

Like a government bill, a private Member’s bill is a piece of draft legislation which is submitted to Parliament for approval and possible amendment before it can become law. Most private Members’ bills originate in the Commons, but some private Members’ bills are sent to the Commons from the Senate. Strictly speaking, private Members’ bills are public bills, but private bills are also considered under Private Members’ Business, since they must be sponsored by private Members.

A private Member’s motion is usually a draft resolution which, if adopted, becomes an expression of the opinion of the House. Motions are also used to introduce resolutions for amending the Constitution.

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A resolution is a written motion. Note: "...for amending the Constitution."

Thanks, but no thanks.

Nay~! It's time to overthrow the government!

But since Canada has no guns, this will be done via a letter writing campaign to our MPs and MPPs...

We will drown them in letters that will blot out the sun
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We have guns in Alberta.

zebatov posted...

A resolution is a written motion. Note: "...for amending the Constitution."

Thanks, but no thanks.

M103 was not a motion to amend the constitution.
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darkknight109 posted...

zebatov posted...

A resolution is a written motion. Note: "...for amending the Constitution."

Thanks, but no thanks.

M103 was not a motion to amend the constitution.

I don't trust it, the way this country is headed. I just can't wait until our PM is gone, and so is she.

zebatov posted...

I don't trust it, the way this country is headed.

Given your flagrant lack of knowledge about how parliament actually works (where on earth did you get the idea that motions turn into bills?) this doesn't surprise me.

If you don't "trust" a motion, the legal impact of which is well established under Canadian law (read: none), maybe read up a bit on the nuts and bolts of exactly how our government runs.
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darkknight109 posted...

...maybe read up a bit on the nuts and bolts of exactly how our government runs.

Poorly?

My friend worked in Ottawa and said he hated every waking moment of his life. He was told what to say and do, and couldn't speak what he felt. Said it was the worst experience of his life. I can only imagine what kind of person you'd have to be to continue doing what they do.

I've spoken with local MLAs, older ones, who say that people basically don't care anymore. Doesn't affect them personally, doesn't matter. It's just really piss-poor and lacking any kind of honour, which is a disgrace.

PS - It had been explained to me.

zebatov posted...

We have guns in Alberta.

Nobody outside of Alberta actually cares about Alberta, stay there in your little penniless conservative fantasy land.
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darkknight109 posted...

You, uh... do understand that Motions like M103 are non-binding, right?

A motion is not a bill. The law hasn't changed at all. A Motion is basically just saying "The government thinks this." It has all the legislative power of a Facebook press release.

Not to mention even laws nobody cares about are ignored, like "impersonating the queen" being illegal.
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