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Kaname_Madoka
06/17/17 2:54:49 PM
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i never see any actual arguments, just people calling it casual / a party game
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TheMarthKoopa
06/17/17 2:55:18 PM
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It is a fighting game, just not a competitive one
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Kaname_Madoka
06/17/17 2:55:46 PM
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TheMarthKoopa posted...
It is a fighting game, just not a competitive one

yeah i agree
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halomonkey1_3_5
06/17/17 2:56:32 PM
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its a party brawler
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weapon_d00d816
06/17/17 2:56:36 PM
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"Because it's not a Street Fighter II clone like 90% of the genre" and/or "because it's casual".
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Raikuro
06/17/17 2:56:49 PM
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it's just a casual fighting game, like MvC2
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weapon_d00d816
06/17/17 2:57:35 PM
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halomonkey1_3_5 posted...
its a party brawler

1. That's not a real genre

2. If it were, it would be a subgenre of fighting games
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AIDSbeam
06/17/17 2:57:43 PM
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TheMarthKoopa posted...
It is a fighting game, just not a competitive one


It's got a better competitive scene than any other fighting game
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Damn_Underscore
06/17/17 2:58:45 PM
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Because the moves are easy to remember and not convoluted
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Albel-Nox
06/17/17 2:58:50 PM
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AIDSbeam posted...
TheMarthKoopa posted...
It is a fighting game, just not a competitive one


It's got a better competitive scene than any other fighting game

Not sure if serious.
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Kaname_Madoka
06/17/17 2:59:10 PM
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Z_Zenkai1992
06/17/17 2:59:56 PM
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Fighting games don't have platforming
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Link HT
06/17/17 3:00:27 PM
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amazing that this bait still works
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TheMarthKoopa
06/17/17 3:00:43 PM
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AIDSbeam posted...
It's got a better competitive scene than any other fighting game

Smash competitive scene is a sad joke
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Kaname_Madoka
06/17/17 3:00:49 PM
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Z_Zenkai1992 posted...
Fighting games don't have platforming

Says who
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Lost_All_Senses
06/17/17 3:01:05 PM
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Albel-Nox posted...
AIDSbeam posted...
TheMarthKoopa posted...
It is a fighting game, just not a competitive one


It's got a better competitive scene than any other fighting game

Not sure if serious.


It does have a very large competitive following. Even in my nowhere city there was a competition last year
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Z_Zenkai1992
06/17/17 3:01:19 PM
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Kaname_Madoka posted...
Z_Zenkai1992 posted...
Fighting games don't have platforming

Says who

Says the definition of fighting games
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Kaname_Madoka
06/17/17 3:01:53 PM
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Z_Zenkai1992 posted...
Kaname_Madoka posted...
Z_Zenkai1992 posted...
Fighting games don't have platforming

Says who

Says the definition of fighting games

lolwut
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weapon_d00d816
06/17/17 3:03:04 PM
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Z_Zenkai1992 posted...
Kaname_Madoka posted...
Z_Zenkai1992 posted...
Fighting games don't have platforming

Says who

Says the definition of fighting games

Says YOUR definition of fighting games. Nowhere does it say that in any definition.
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Southernfatman
06/17/17 3:10:30 PM
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I can't tell if this "smash isn't a fighting game" is just a dumb meme or if people really believe it.

It's still "I don't like thing cause it's different" anyway.
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Z_Zenkai1992
06/17/17 3:12:11 PM
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Southernfatman posted...
I can't tell if this "smash isn't a fighting game" is just a dumb meme or if people really believe it.

It's still "I don't like thing cause it's different" anyway.

It's not about liking or disliking. It's about being objective and correctly categorizing games. Smash is not a fighting game
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Antifar
06/17/17 3:13:34 PM
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Imagine being so strict about the categorization of video games as to
A) care
B) think Smash, a game where competitive fighting is the primary activity, is not a fighting game.
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WizardPowers
06/17/17 3:13:45 PM
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Smash is actually requires much more dexterity than most traditional fighters at the highest level.

It's one of the easiest to get into, but there is a reason the same 5-7 people have been winning all the tournaments for 10 years.

The FGC really doesn't like games that are easy to get into, even if the ceiling is super high. They just ride capcom's nuts all day. Glad that's changing now and people are realising SF4, SF5 and MVCI are all garbage.
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Z_Zenkai1992
06/17/17 3:16:37 PM
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Antifar posted...
Imagine being so strict about the categorization of video games as to
A) care
B) think Smash, a game where competitive fighting is the primary activity, is not a fighting game.

ImAgine caring enough to make this topic and arguing it's a fighting game. Even sakurai says it's not a fighting game. The CREATOR says it's not a fight game/topic
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Sada_Pop
06/17/17 3:21:21 PM
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I see Smash Bros and I think Power Stone more than Tekken.
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Southernfatman
06/17/17 3:21:59 PM
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Z_Zenkai1992 posted...
It's not about liking or disliking. It's about being objective and correctly categorizing games. Smash is not a fighting game


So it's a dumb meme. Got ya.
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Mako_Sharknado
06/17/17 3:25:53 PM
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It obvs is a fighter series. 's just that a lotta nerds on both sides (traditional'n Smash) think their shit's better'n the other
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ManSpread
06/17/17 3:27:44 PM
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smash is a fighting game in the sense you have to disable 90% of the games content to make it remotely competitive

WizardPowers posted...
It's one of the easiest to get into, but there is a reason the same 5-7 people have been winning all the tournaments for 10 years.

thats because those people were the only people playing melee for 10 years in the bathroom of a waffle house
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Comfy_Pillow
06/17/17 3:29:13 PM
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ManSpread posted...
smash is a fighting game in the sense you have to disable 90% of the games content to make it remotely competitive


90% of Injustice 2's content is gear which affect stats and properties. Does that make it not a fighting game since they have to turn those off for tournaments?
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TheMarthKoopa
06/17/17 3:33:03 PM
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kewldude475 posted...
*complicated one

A game doesn't need to have complex methods of input to be a competitive fighting game.

Not having complex input methods isn't what prevents Smash from being a competitive game

There aren't enough mechanics to make use of for 1v1 to be a compelling way to play the game.
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omega cookie
06/17/17 3:39:41 PM
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Z_Zenkai1992 posted...
Even sakurai says it's not a fighting game. The CREATOR says it's not a fight game/topic

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Southernfatman
06/17/17 3:41:20 PM
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Like I said in the other topic, "professional" gamers and their nuthuggers caused this dumb elitism. We can't have a wacky and random fighting game. Games must have these exact certain parameters for it to be an acceptable game.

Too many people focus on winning competitions than having fun.
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FightingGames
06/17/17 3:41:34 PM
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this triggers the smash babby

ZZYI9j5
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TheMarthKoopa
06/17/17 3:43:07 PM
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Captain_Qwark posted...
The gigantic scene disagrees with you.

How does that make it compelling?

How many mechanics are required for it to be compelling in your made up rulebook?

Combos. Oki. Pressure. Mixups. Crossups. Etc etc etc

Smash has nothing that makes fighting games fun. It's just flailing about wildly, whiffing most of your attacks, hoping for something to connect.
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Antifar
06/17/17 3:47:34 PM
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FightingGames posted...
this triggers the smash babby

ZZYI9j5

Small brain: Smash is a fighting game
Big brain: Smash is not a fighting game
Cosmic brain: Smash is a sports game
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weapon_d00d816
06/17/17 3:48:40 PM
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> choose your character from a list of over a dozen or so fighters with unique moves
> fight other players (or computer controlled enemies designed to mimic a human player) in a small, simplistic arena with an omnipotent third person camera perspective
> game is focused entirely around this versus aspect

> not a fighting game
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EnragedSlith
06/17/17 3:50:52 PM
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It's not a fighting game, just like how Mario Party isn't a racing game even though you're technically racing to get the most points
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WizardPowers
06/17/17 3:50:57 PM
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TheMarthKoopa posted...
Combos. Oki. Pressure. Mixups. Crossups. Etc etc etc


It has all of these except crossups. And you could argue MK doesn't have those because of the bock button.
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TheMarthKoopa
06/17/17 3:54:01 PM
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WizardPowers posted...
It has all of these except crossups

There are no combos in Smash
Smash has never had Okizeme
Pressure is impossible because you can just shield->grab anyone trying to pressure you
There is no distinction of high/low attacks so there are no mixups
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sellerdore
06/17/17 3:55:31 PM
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TheMarthKoopa posted...
There are no combos in Smash

wat

TheMarthKoopa posted...
Pressure is impossible because you can just shield->grab anyone trying to pressure you
There is no distinction of high/low attacks so there are no mixups

also wat

do you watch competitive melee at all
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WizardPowers
06/17/17 3:57:30 PM
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It's clear that he doesn't know anything about smash other than his 15 minutes of playing it.
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omega cookie
06/17/17 3:58:42 PM
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FightingGames posted...
this triggers the smash babby

ZZYI9j5

The best part of that picture is how all these people will ignore it.
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vashmoto
06/17/17 3:59:20 PM
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How we still doing this 15 years later?
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TheMarthKoopa
06/17/17 4:00:57 PM
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sellerdore posted...
also wat

do you watch competitive melee at all

I have watched enough matches to see how boring and stale it is. Same 2 characters on the same stage doing the same few motions over and over.

It doesn't have any of the things I listed, and you couldn't possibly convince me it exists because there is no video evidence because... it doesn't exist.
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EnragedSlith
06/17/17 4:01:27 PM
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vashmoto posted...
How we still doing this 15 years later?

Because smash fans won't let it die and insist on their genre bending game being defined by the genre whose conventions it chooses to ignore
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Denzien_of_Sega
06/17/17 4:02:41 PM
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Daily reminder Smash fans made it into a competitive fighter, not the creator. It was never intended to be anything other than a party game. That's why you have to turn off anything with a random element in order to make it competitive. It was never intended to be.
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