Board 8 > A Feast For Crows Mafia: Topic 9 - Egg, I Dreamed that I Was Old

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Also, if there are three power roles outstanding, how desperate do you have to be to try and shoot the one who claimed bulletproof? Makes more sense if there was only two
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continuous scumbusdriver seems unfair when they also have a RB
more like it was a jack with a 1use bus
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I'm home now and isolating Chris specifically looking for times he mentioned Han.

Topic one:

My Immortal posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Would that be considered a stacked scum team? Boko is a far better town player than scum, I guess I don't know about MI's exploits, Han was never a good scum player and I don't think Shad is like really great or anything and apparently I was super obvious to everyone who wasn't alive last game so I mean...!

top scum team would be like ffd/red/stan/vi (because he is never scum and would get an autopass/and yeah lovable me.

I've literally never played with Boko! I think Han and shad are good scum, at least in my experience. And I like to think I'm good.

You go without saying.

My Immortal posted...

Han's attitude has seemed off this game but this is like, my second game ever with Han so I don't know how to read that.

This is right off the bat in topic one, painting Han and Shad with the same bad scum brush.

I'm also quoting part of MI because now I'm confused about whether he has experience with Han or not.
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So I trust you believe MI now then?
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htaeD posted...

continuous scumbusdriver seems unfair when they also have a RB
more like it was a jack with a 1use bus

Well yeah.
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VeryInsane posted...

So I trust you believe MI now then?

Non committal sideways hand gesture

I'm not trying to lynch him soon or anything though

Probably mostly believe
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I wonder if it's just 3 lying nillas and the scum are the ones trying to force the most conflict amongst Leo/MI
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bng_mmmk posted...

I don't think willy-nilly matters rn

I don't think voting matters rn

Deadline hasn't come yet and I'm not set on who I would prefer of my top 3.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

The only thing I remember from Han is him being all like "I was a good scum player 6 years ago!" and trying to use that as a reason to not be happy with me this game, or something. Han's usually more impactful than this and as FFD said I don't really get how you can read the game and point to FFD as the guy you feel nothing for.

Han explain yourself.

Chris mentions Han in topic two. Very weakly calls him out.

Han does reply later, but Chris doesn't seem to care about following up in topic 2 or 3 so far as he doesn't mention him again in those topics that I can see.
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Chris is gone and drunk for the rest of day one and has a useless splinter on me. Does not mention Han once in topic 4, the start of D2 thus far.
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Chris not responding to me when I got back at him probably was a good sign to not trust him.
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Lolo_Guru posted...

Votals for the new topic.

[2] Nana: MI, VI
[3] Han: Puns, Leo, Jeff
[0] KBM: (Leo)

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch (early)! Day ends at 9 PM CST on Tuesday. Like 7ish hours from now.

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MajinZidane posted...

I wasn't a huge fan of Han yesterday, but he's starting to grow on me a bit.

@DoomTheGyarados, I know that you didn't like Han yesterday. Do you feel the same way today, even though you dislike puns the most rn?

DoomTheGyarados posted...

MajinZidane posted...

I wasn't a huge fan of Han yesterday, but he's starting to grow on me a bit.

@DoomTheGyarados, I know that you didn't like Han yesterday. Do you feel the same way today, even though you dislike puns the most rn?

Can you quote me? I don't remember specifically having a problem with han but drinking was involved.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Okay I am home. It's weird because I can't recall saying anything to do with Han. Which mind you might be a problem in and of itself and all (but apparently lots of players have lost their step, rip FFD my love) so ;x

DoomTheGyarados posted...

No one asked actually. It's simple, I thought puns was scum after reading so I shot at him. What kind of trash player doesn't shoot someone they think are scum?

Lots of players are just kind of floating to me right now aside from puns. shad (who seems kind of soft on puns despite poking him a lot), dowolf, han, boko, are all kind of like 'blah blah' without anything behind them.

(Han not unvoting Stan when he claimed cop)

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I think that might actually be town points to Han <_<

Whole lot of mentions in topic five. Boko has to force Chris to comment on Han, at which point Chris brushes it off with "lol I forgot", then brushes him into the background of "blah" players. Notably, Chris goes after Puns and Dowolf but not Shad or Han
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Leo3L posted...

I'm home now and isolating Chris specifically looking for times he mentioned Han.

Topic one:

My Immortal posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Would that be considered a stacked scum team? Boko is a far better town player than scum, I guess I don't know about MI's exploits, Han was never a good scum player and I don't think Shad is like really great or anything and apparently I was super obvious to everyone who wasn't alive last game so I mean...!

top scum team would be like ffd/red/stan/vi (because he is never scum and would get an autopass/and yeah lovable me.

I've literally never played with Boko! I think Han and shad are good scum, at least in my experience. And I like to think I'm good.

You go without saying.

My Immortal posted...

Han's attitude has seemed off this game but this is like, my second game ever with Han so I don't know how to read that.

This is right off the bat in topic one, painting Han and Shad with the same bad scum brush.

I'm also quoting part of MI because now I'm confused about whether he has experience with Han or not.

I don't have a lot of experience with him, but I thought he was good from my experience, plus he's a name I've heard old timers mention
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Leo if you have more legwork on you could you so the same for Chris mentions of kbm and Nana?

There should be more of those from memory of my reread so you might not want to quote all

Seeing them for comparison would help
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Nana is still being awfully quiet compared to recent games.

Topic 6:

DoomTheGyarados posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Furthermore, Han indicates that "following others who have posted, this is a bad list", and I'd like him to clarify what he means by that.

Aside from puns, nobody had said anything at all about me until, in very quick succession, Chris, red, MI, you.

Chris's statement was bad because it relies on him not reading the game, red's statement parroted Chris's, MI's actually had sense behind it, and then yours came completely out of nowhere. That's why it looks so bad. Like you're trying to sneakily hop aboard a train of suspicion on someone who is Town without giving any clear explanation.

I have read every single post in this game.

Weak poke

DoomTheGyarados posted...

also re: shad he wants to stab puns which I appreciate and I think he believes that read, so I disagree with leo saying shad has lacked conviction about that one.

This is a Chris post I attributed to Han by mistake a few days ago, my phone bad.
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My Immortal posted...

Leo if you have more legwork on you could you so the same for Chris mentions of kbm and Nana?

There should be more of those from memory of my reread so you might not want to quote all

Seeing them for comparison would help

I didn't really sleep last night but probably.

Currently Chris's attitude this game seems to be attack town, protect/ignore teammates. He does get into a fight with Nana, which is different from the other 3, but it's a pointless dick waving fight
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Leo3L posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Why would you both bus drive and roleblock someone if you're scum though, why not just kill him? You should be suspecting me if anyone, not shad.

Your words

There were no other claimed power roles IIRC, so they could do that, or blindly target Death apparently

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Well after you parse that then we can get to the fact I walked in here and said "there was a bus and I shot stan" I mean part of doing clever things like that is not admitting them.

heh

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I am down with a puns or VI lynch and in honor of my good friend red a Boko special just because he has had like no impact!

Quoting this one because Boko was the 5th person in that previous list and Chris would be down to b8 special him here.

Leafeon13N posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Thanks for the Wine, Leo.

Anyway back on target here, we need to decide on a lynch. A good lynch, Red. A not obvious power lynch, red.

Han.

When I agree with Red here, Chris goes off on me. MI quoted that part yesterday. He never replies to Red here. If Boko and Han were both town, Scum Chris could just treat them the same, right?
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I want you all to know how annoyed I will be with myself if Han ends up scum btw.
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how so?
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Conclusion:

1. Chris ignored Han for much of the game. He went after flipped or presumed Town players for much lesser offenses than what he let slide for Shad and Han.

2. He shot Boko N2 and Scare N1. I believe this suggests an attempt to kill all the "good" classic b8 town players that could threaten Chris. Chris has always said Han is perhaps the best Town player on B8. I'm gonna rule 1 him a little with Boko being shot when both were unclaimed.
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he (or his team) also decided to roleblock me right away
so there is that
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though, shooting Scare night1 makes sense for any scumteam with his doublevote revealed
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I think he showed what he thought was a Scare doctor tell at some point Day 2, fwiw
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That's true.

FFD agrees with lynching Han. Like he has since the beginning of the game. He also agrees with me that he's bellyaching about my role way more than he's scum hunting.
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htaeD posted...

how so?

I wanted to kill him basically the whole game but never pushed for him.
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gotta give Nana props for calling out the elitism Chris comments again though
dont know if he would shed light on that if he was scum with Chris
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Also Han people are actively trying to kill you yet you offer no alternatives.
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red13n posted...

Also Han people are actively trying to kill you yet you offer no alternatives.

Wow, are you suggesting he go after someone willy and or nilly?!?! Reckless!
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VeryInsane posted...

There's also zero reason to doubt MI at this point, upon n thinking

Leo said Boko guarded Stan, correct? So that basically verifies the bus drive unless it's Leo/MI (Good grief Town would be weak then)

Why did you start the Day attacking MI though, last question I swear I'm about to unlock the game

This post is a bunch of grade A bullshit.

All it says is Immy would be a confirmed bus driver but that doesn't tell us anything about his alignment because scum STILL knows there was a bus AND Chris was a Strongman and there's no definitive evidence either way that the bus would have stopped him.

Comedy Option: Scum MI busses scum buddy Puns with town Stan and Chris shoots Stan through the bus.

Now when anyone protects Stan, they get redirected to Puns. "Chris would have to be crazy to shoot scum teammate Puns" so if Puns flipped scum, Chris AND the bus driver look better, "Scum wouldn't bus drive scum teammate Puns just to shoot town Stan."

Basically, to arrive at the conclusion that Puns is scum, you would need to see a scum MI flip and a scum Chris flip, which is a lot of heavy lifting to get to that point.
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Nanahara715 posted...

VeryInsane posted...

There's also zero reason to doubt MI at this point, upon n thinking

Leo said Boko guarded Stan, correct? So that basically verifies the bus drive unless it's Leo/MI (Good grief Town would be weak then)

Why did you start the Day attacking MI though, last question I swear I'm about to unlock the game

This post is a bunch of grade A bullshit.

All it says is Immy would be a confirmed bus driver but that doesn't tell us anything about his alignment because scum STILL knows there was a bus AND Chris was a Strongman and there's no definitive evidence either way that the bus would have stopped him.

Comedy Option: Scum MI busses scum buddy Puns with town Stan and Chris shoots Stan through the bus.

Now when anyone protects Stan, they get redirected to Puns. "Chris would have to be crazy to shoot scum teammate Puns" so if Puns flipped scum, Chris AND the bus driver look better, "Scum wouldn't bus drive scum teammate Puns just to shoot town Stan."

Basically, to arrive at the conclusion that Puns is scum, you would need to see a scum MI flip and a scum Chris flip, which is a lot of heavy lifting to get to that point.

I'm at work so I'm sure that came across as mad confusing, but the gist is I think Puns looks worse if Immy is scum, and VI's post is an empty hollow shell of anything worthwhile.
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Leo3L posted...

red13n posted...

Also Han people are actively trying to kill you yet you offer no alternatives.

Wow, are you suggesting he go after someone willy and or nilly?!?! Reckless!

Ehh I'm saying he should have some idea of who he wants to go after. Especially if he has multiple people actively trying to kill him.
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Leo3L posted...

Chris has always said Han is perhaps the best Town player on B8. I'm gonna rule 1 him a little with Boko being shot when both were unclaimed.

Has Chris ever actually said this?
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red13n posted...

Leo3L posted...

red13n posted...

Also Han people are actively trying to kill you yet you offer no alternatives.

Wow, are you suggesting he go after someone willy and or nilly?!?! Reckless!

Ehh I'm saying he should have some idea of who he wants to go after. Especially if he has multiple people actively trying to kill him.

I have an idea and I gave ideas. I focused on Leo because he's been lying to us egregiously.
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The more I look back on things, the more I like the Han lynch - because their arguments make sense, even if I wasn't able to come up with a read of my own on him. He's one of our better options today, at least, although I still wouldn't mind a VI lynch either (I've cooled on the whole MI thing; clearly I was misreading things).

I would apologize for my activity but it would be redundant at this point. It does feel like people are blowing off the things I'm actually saying though and not really being very responsive to them, at the same time as claiming I haven't talked about anything. My thoughts may not be the most solid reads in the known world, but I have been keeping people at least somewhat posted on them! I'm a better sneak than I am a sleuth, sadly.

Nah, scum bus driver and roleblocker and Ulti assassin is too much to chew
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Vengeful_KBM posted...

The more I look back on things, the more I like the Han lynch - because their arguments make sense, because I trust the people on it more than others in the game, even if I wasn't able to come up with a read of my own on him.

Fixed that - I just didn't type a part of the sentence I wanted to say lol

Note to self Iso scare tomorrow to see who he was going after a lot, maybe its just super obvious why he died.

Chris said this day2
less sure that Chris shot Scare for Scare's insights

also wondering
would scum busdrive Puns if it was also to protect him from scanners?
or just to keep making Puns unscannable
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I guess the syntax of that sentence still doesn't work.

OH WELL NOT IMPORTANT >_<

also red trying to get Chris to get counterclaimed also doesnt strike me as something scum would say openly

which is good, because beforehand I didnt see anything that makes me think of Red as town
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I also feel like, besides Nana maybe, the lynch targets are way too quiet

btw Han did get 'suspected' by Chris starting topic6, and he called him/Red/Nana out for having weak suspicion on him, even though none of them voted Han

seems like an odd thing to get mad about
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Scum relying on classic ADHD B8 Towns
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Honestly, I don't like Leo's actions or circumstances at all but I think Scum is much less likely to get into big pissing matches.



Between the people I'm considering, KBM looks the worst for how she played the day 1 and day 2 lynches. Unless you count Red just being on FFD's lynch for all of day 1 bad.
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So Han

I'm trying to understand your thought process

You think Leo is scum who recruited 3 other people to talk to him under the belief that he is town?
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honestly Leo's role doesnt have anything to do with how I feel about him
but him getting Shad dead(er) does
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My Immortal posted...

So Han

I'm trying to understand your thought process

You think Leo is scum who recruited 3 other people to talk to him under the belief that he is town?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Honestly, I don't like Leo's actions or circumstances at all but I think Scum is much less likely to get into big pissing matches.



Between the people I'm considering, KBM looks the worst for how she played the day 1 and day 2 lynches. Unless you count Red just being on FFD's lynch for all of day 1 bad.

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I don't think I'd object to a Han lynch, he just doesn't have the fire I expect from him

I just don't get why he voted me over dowolf Day 2 as scum, puts a lot of attention on him
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My theory is still that Chris intended to mislynch you D3 and "clear" Han in the process.
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