Board 8 > A Feast For Crows Mafia: Topic 9 - Egg, I Dreamed that I Was Old

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Vengeful_KBM posted...

My Immortal posted...

What have I done today to change your opinion?

It's more a reevaluation than anything you've done since I made my initial post.

Can you elaborate? What, upon revaluation, changed?

Seems like a drastic change and I want to understand
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My Immortal posted...

For the record, I only quoted one Chris post with her, said it felt like she was being coached by her there, and didn't call her scum for it. But I'm apparently spinning her interactions in an attempt to get this mislynch when I'm still re-reading things and trying to figure shit out. This feels more defensive that what Han called defensive earlier.

I mean I guess it was something that was said since my list because I thought this was a really good point and made me reevaluate the assumptions I'd made.

My Immortal posted...

I dunno if Jeff counter claimed Chris I'd probably want to Lynch the guy who claimed the kill on the cop asap

Not a bad point, but somehow I doubt it would go that way though. Like, Chris was scum and went through with it regardless of red's alignment.
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If Nana lets time expire on the day without a real comment on Han, I swear.
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I'm back.

We took third. Missed "Who said "of all the ways to kill you, poison would be the last" in the final round. Were perfect up til then.

I got to contribute by answering "Which smuggler was knighted by Stannis Baratheon" and was able to name Davos thanks to Hoops.

Something about Dollas Hollard?
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bng_mmmk posted...

If Nana lets time expire on the day without a real comment on Han, I swear.

You can suck it.

No, seriously, give me a minute. I'll be driving in two minutes home and it's a 14 minute drive.
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Why isn't Hoops in this game? That guy was the best.
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My Immortal posted...

Don't lynch vi

what was the reason for this again?
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Nanahara715 posted...

bng_mmmk posted...

If Nana lets time expire on the day without a real comment on Han, I swear.

You can suck it.

No, seriously, give me a minute. I'll be driving in two minutes home and it's a 14 minute drive.

that leaves literally 1 minute in the day
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Keep calm and don't vote for two hours votals
[4] Han: Puns, Leo, Jeff, red
[2] Nana: MI, VI
[2] KBM: (Leo), Han, Death

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch (early)! Day ends at 9 PM CST on Tuesday. Like 13 minutes from now
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bng_mmmk posted...

Started reading the day and it turned into iso Nana's day

Noticed Nana's first post of the day mentioned thoughts on everyone except Han and Red. Went on to count vanillas in the game and left out Han until a bit later when VI posted a claim list. When he says he favors a Han lynch, the reasoning was that Leo/Me were voting Han and he trusts us.

Nana, you never acknowledged the following post as far as I can tell.

Are you going to vote and why so little attention on Han? You've mentioned no reason to oppose Han's lynch but you've just watched from the sides.


bng_mmmk posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

I'm pretty comfortable with Leo and Puns as town, so I would favor a Han lynch over the alternative lynch that has VI/MI on it.

The fact that right now the alternative lynch is me is immaterial, would probably favor the lynch led by my top two town reads over anyone.

Nanahara715 posted...

I remember Han being particularly oissed when I listed him as my 7th scum read of 13 and that seemed wildly over the top.

What do you think about Han's content today?

First of all, ISOing a single day is a crock of shit. It's a lazy excuse to take things out of context, especially because the summary of this post is "oh Nana hasn't said anything about Han at all" when I've had multiple interactions with Han and called him scum multiple times.

Literally end of last game day he's on "Nana's this is 100% the game state Scum List." Don't pretend like he didn't flip when I listed him as a scumspect on Day 2. Like, this is such a gross oversimplification of what's happened in the game.

I don't oppose the Han lynch but I won't be pressured by someone for the sake of pressure. Literally you pressuring me to vote the way you want, despite knowing I agree with it, is giving me pause about trusting you. HOW DO YOY MISS THESE POSTS?

Missing Han's vanilla claim was just a misread. If Han flips scum, I'm sure you will say tomorrow that it "damns me" or something.

I was very clear on my thoughts on Red.

##Vote: Han

Driving home, hope to see y'all tomorrow night.
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Final thoughts on every player, Han?
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Nanahara715 posted...

First of all, ISOing a single day is a crock of shit. It's a lazy excuse to take things out of context, especially because the summary of this post is "oh Nana hasn't said anything about Han at all" when I've had multiple interactions with Han and called him scum multiple times.

I thought I was 7th on your Scum list :(


Leo3L posted...

Final thoughts on every player, Han?

Let me type it up, but I'm really bitter because I've at least been doing things this entire day and this is going to be my first mislynch as a Town player since probably 2008.
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Nana you are grossly overreacting and misrepresenting the point of my post.

I wasn't attempting to summarize your opinion of the entire game.

To say that reading a player's posts for a day is taking things "out of context" is silly.

It was a ridiculously simple question - What do you think of Han's content today? And when I repeated it since you didn't address it you are now screaming in all caps and throwing shade at me.
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Started the day as KBM/Nana/One of Han/Puns

Well, I guess the last part is gonna be tested out
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Yeah that Nana post was more defensive than anything I've said this whole game, wow.

Nanahara715 posted...

Literally end of last game day he's on "Nana's this is 100% the game state Scum List." Don't pretend like he didn't flip when I listed him as a scumspect on Day 2. Like, this is such a gross oversimplification of what's happened in the game.

I don't oppose the Han lynch but I won't be pressured by someone for the sake of pressure. Literally you pressuring me to vote the way you want, despite knowing I agree with it, is giving me pause about trusting you. HOW DO YOY MISS THESE POSTS?

Missing Han's vanilla claim was just a misread. If Han flips scum, I'm sure you will say tomorrow that it "damns me" or something.

Like where does this flip out come from?

Yes you commented on him yesterday. That's why I asked what do you think of his content today?

t-o-d-a-y
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Anyway this day end kinda sucks but I don't guess there's a lot more to be said. Nana's last post jumped him up two pegs on my scumdar more than anything I felt about him for not addressing my questions the first time.
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Maybe we should have lynched Nana first
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Valar Morghulis
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##Vote: Nana

Maybe we really actually should have though.

A little disappointed in Han, but oh well.
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Leo - a deer, a female deer
Red - a drop of golden sun
MI - a name I call myself
Nana - how far I like to run
Death - doesn't fit the rhyme scheme
puns - is just as bad as Death
VI - is close enough to put here
And that brings us to Jeff Zero!
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also STOP
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Stop
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[5] Han: Puns, Leo, Jeff, red, Nana
[3] Nana: MI, VI, KBM
[2] KBM: (Leo), Han, Death

You have 30 minutes to report any errors to me
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VOTALS look correct!

Han was lynched! He was Asha Greyjoy, GREYJOY Tracker!

You have until 8 PM tomorrow to get night actions to me. Please send them to Lolo and MZero as well. Depending on how something goes tomorrow I may need to step away from the game for a while so it would be best if they had actions as well just in case.

It is now night! No posting!
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Not ded (9):
1) bng_mmmk
6) htaeD
7) Jeff_Zero
8) Leafeon13N
9) Leo3L
11) My_Immortal
13) Nanahara715
16) Vengeful_KBM
17) VeryInsane

Ded:
LD1: FFD - The High Sparrow, TOWN Bulletproof
KN1: Scare - Brienne of Tarth, TOWN Double Voting Protector
KN1: Stan - Doran Martell, TOWN Ninja Cop
LD2: dowolf - Osney Kettleblack, TOWN Vanilla
KN2: MajinZidane - Marillion, TOWN Bodyguard
KN2: DoomTheGyarados - Victarion Greyjoy, GREYJOY Persistant Strongman Vigilante
LD3: Shaduln - Theon Greyjoy, GREYJOY Ninja Godfather
LD4: Han - Asha Greyjoy, GREYJOY Tracker
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Jeff_Zero has died! He was Lady Stoneheart, TOWN One-shot Vigilante!

Dondarrion Kissed Them And Brought Them Back To Life (8):
1) bng_mmmk
6) htaeD
8) Leafeon13N
9) Leo3L
11) My_Immortal
13) Nanahara715
16) Vengeful_KBM
17) VeryInsane

Bloody Bastrads Cut Their Throats Too Deep:
LD1: FFD - The High Sparrow, TOWN Bulletproof
KN1: Scare - Brienne of Tarth, TOWN Double Voting Protector
KN1: Stan - Doran Martell, TOWN Ninja Cop
LD2: dowolf - Osney Kettleblack, TOWN Vanilla
KN2: MajinZidane - Marillion, TOWN Bodyguard
KN2: DoomTheGyarados - Victarion Greyjoy, GREYJOY Persistant Strongman Vigilante
LD3: Shaduln - Theon Greyjoy, GREYJOY Ninja Godfather
LD4: Han - Asha Greyjoy, GREYJOY Tracker
KN4: Jeff_Zero - Lady Stoneheart, TOWN One-shot Vigilante

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch! Day ends on Friday at 9 PM!

Go
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So that's exactly what I thought existed.

Jeff kill makes some sense if they want to spread paranoia, which I think they do.

Honestly can't see much else other than a KBM/Nana scum team
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I wasn't roleblocked.

That was a mistake
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Han's refusal to vote to save himself indicates to me that his lynch was preplanned. Unlikely KBM was involved based on her late vote.

Pre-planned "Han lynch" indicates to me that VI/MI not likely involved.

Puns probably scum because he started the Han lynch. Argument there is that after a mass claim, tracker was useless.

Death probably also scum because why is gen still alive? Why kill Jeff instead of Death? Outside chance at Red here.

More opinions later because I'm baking a cinnamon bun pie. But... hmmm.
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Okay, I took some detailed notes on everything from Topic 3 through the end of Day 3. Here they are in more readable form so that everybody knows where I'm coming from today. (These are almost verbatim the notes I took to myself, just attempting to have better syntax, grammar, and punctuation. Typed stream-of-consciousness style through a couple hours' worth of close reading this afternoon, so you don't want to see the original, it would hurt your eyes.)

Double-asterisks indicate my strongest feelings.

TOPIC 3

Death goes after dowolf very early. He also goes after Jeff to try and make him "slip" over knowing about the term "backpedaling" of all things.

Han pops in briefly to interact with Death and MI. Death does an ISO of Han and says he looks better for it. Death then ISOs VI and says he looks good too. The feeling is not mutual.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

htaeD posted...

KBM, you did willingly engage with FFD in a lot of that nostalgia talk yes?

This is something I noticed early on and I'm still surprised that a lot of people think KBM is Town.


Vengeful_KBM posted...

I reread Han's analysis of Stan's first topic posts and though it didn't totally convince me Stan is scum,

Like this, come on, total Scumbuddies.

Meanwhile here's a quote from Scum Han trying to push suspicion on me earlier than I even remembered, wow.

Meanwhile Chris is threatening to hurt anyone who votes Nana. Han led the lynch on Stan while MI sort of de facto spearheaded the lynch on Nana - in a way that is making me trust MI more. Han is also trying to throw a lot of suspicion on Red which makes Red look a little better.

Meanwhile (yes I use this word a lot) Shad and Han both spearheading the Puns lynch from early on makes Puns look really good now, to the point where I'm kind of expecting him to die tonight. This also diverted attention from the Nana lynch option at the end of the day - **Nana is looking bad on a reread of the end of D1. Puns seems QUITE clean now that Shad and Han have both flipped scum.** Also MI is putting in a lot of town-looking legwork at the end of the day, compiling posts of information and whatnot.

TOPIC 4

Worth noting that the people who waited to vote until the end of the day are a VERY town-heavy list, quite possibly all town. Scum was leading the D1 lynches, outside of the Nana lynch which was being led by MI (probable town) and myself. Meanwhile Nana goes after me hard for "believing the exchanges between [Nana] and FFD were faked" which still strikes me as a weird and useless line of questioning, after this VERY clear answer:

Vengeful_KBM posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

True/false I'm your number 1 scum read

False. I've been vacillating back and forth. An actually true statement would be "you have remained on my list and I would be willing to lynch you based on current information".

Nana is continuing to look worse in retrospect. He goes on to accuse me of "refusing" to take a stance directly after I said the above (which was literally taking a stance).

Then dowolf almost gets lynched D1 by MI/VI/puns/Leo. Interesting how all of them are still alive. Don't know what that means though.

People threatening to B8 Special Shad: Red, VI. Clearly would have been a better option - points in their favor.

Other than bitching at me, Nana does nothing of substance towards the end of the day, probably because he knows the main lynch candidates by that point (FFD/Puns/Dowolf) are all town and there's no reason for him to intervene outside of a couple token posts.

-DAY 2 starts here-

Chris comes out swinging at Puns – seriously, I will be kind of shocked if Puns isn't dead in the morning; with Chris opening D2 with a Puns vote, *everyone* going after him in any meaningful way up to this point was the scum that have flipped so far. Nana chimes in soon afterwards to express support for either a Puns or a KBM lynch. Then we have a Leo/Chris exchange about "what would you ask FFD if you could" that really doesn't feel like scum fucking around with each other, despite the fact that Chris has an answer ready to vindicate Leo's claim in less than a minute - seriously what staged scum exchange would be that transparent?


TOPIC 5

At this point I'm already starting to get into 'confirmation bias' territory on Puns, but him fighting with Chris feels genuine on his part. MI brought up some reasonable suspicions on me but backed down on them on a second read-through, which I feel like scum wouldn't have bothered to do after bringing up good points.

Nanahara715 posted...

My Immortal posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

VeryInsane posted...

Hm, Nana had his vote on Chris for quite some time and didn't really move it IIRC even when he stopped suspecting him

What was up with that

I stopped suspecting Chris?

So this is reading to me now like scum-Nana who forgot that he started dialing back on suspecting Chris.

As I said above, I know exactly what I said and I said what I meant and I meant what I said.

An interesting exchange here between still-living players that might take new meaning if/when one of them flips.

Han then calls me "Anakin from Episode 2" which is still ridiculous.

**Leo and MI being the first people to go after Shad on D2 looks very good on them**; meanwhile Death jumps on town dowolf immediately after the pressure on Shad begins. **The timing of Death's vote to put dowolf in the lead looks pretty bad.**

Then Nana votes VI. If I assume I'm right about Nana the tone of his post (#222) really doesn't feel like he's voting a scumbuddy, although either way the vote is interesting. Then **Boko says he trusts Jeff and MI.** Boko's reads have been very good in hindsight. Also at this point I'm beginning to think that if Puns isn't the target for scum's shot, Jeff probably will be.

They can keep roleblocking death. Like I like Death but he's a player who generally is alive at endgame regardless of alignment.

What do you think of Han and Shad both going after Puns Day 1 and 2?
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TOPIC 6

Nanahara715 posted...

Morning observations.

Boko has yet to make a vote a full 104 hours into the game.

I would be voting for KBM whose only posting the entire day was 22 hours ago and directed to me responding to my accusation calling her scum, responding by acting incredulous when I called her obtuse. There's no engagement since yesterday morning.

That said, the scales have tipped over the town point on Chris for me. I support the VI lynch fully for the same stuff Chris said, which is parallel to the logic on my initial vote.

MI - also a town read, but more in the middle. I'm tying him to dowolf (i.e. Scum/scum or town/town)

Scum in order of certainty- VI, KBM, Boko, one of Dowolf/Puns (but I don't think both), and either Han or Jeff

Another one to add to the collection of Bad Nana Posts, right at the beginning of a topic. Han calls Death's suspicion of him "random" and "underhanded". Chris then defends Death, while Nana goes on record as one of the only people in the game who actively likes Shad as town (lol) in Post #51. This coming right after his enthusiastic review of Chris as town. **Yikes at all of this.**

Dowolf thinks the D1 lynch was town/town/town (which it in all likelihood was) and goes on to attack VI for it. Worth noting that maybe we should listen to confirmed town Dowolf here. I still like VI's position on Shad though, so maybe not!

In my interaction with Chris in the middle of the topic it really does feel like he's trying to "slip me up" somehow - I don't know what his plan was but it didn't go the way he wanted it to so he dropped it. MI/Red/Leo/Puns then all go after Shad at once. **Good job there.**


TOPIC 7

Chris briefly tries to drive things back VI's way with Shad's claim out of the way - aligning himself with Nana who has not budged from VI the whole day. **VI looking better here.** Worth noting, though, that VI never actually voted Shad, just Death and dowolf.

Red suggests specialing Han - the second B8 special he's suggested in as many days on now-confirmed scum. **Red is also looking quite a bit better upon rereading.**

Chris is unwilling to entertain the possibility that Puns and VI are the same alignment which kind of makes me think they're the same alignment, considering the way Chris played this game.


-DAY 3 starts here-

Jack seems more believable now that I've got a firmer idea of what night actions may or may not have actually happened - MI telling the truth about the bus drive on Stan fits the narrative. I still don't really have much to say about D3, it was very straightforward; re-reading the earlier days was way more interesting than this.


TOPIC 8

Nana really sticks out as a non-factor towards the end of D2/beginning of D3. Didn't budge from VI the whole of Day 2. Pops in after awhile to offer a token "maybe Shad is town!" here, which I kinda hate:

Nanahara715 posted...

*dances*

MI says Shad took no actions.

Death claims roleblocked.

If Shad is town, the only way he took no action is if he was roleblocked [by scum]. So if Shad flips town, then Death is necessarily scum lying about being roleblocked.

Still think KBM is scum. Been saying this since the end of day 1.

And yet he hadn't voted me a single time which is just weird considering I was one of his favorite subjects that whole time.

So yeah, pretty much all of my observations have led me to believe fairly strongly that Nana is scum.

##Vote: Nana

Man, that's a jackhammer of posts by KBM

...So, who else do you think is scum apart from Nana? Couldn't really tell
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My strongest suspicion outside Nana is Death.

And yeah, if you want the tl;dr version of my posts, just Control-F the ** symbol and you'll get an adequate Spark Notes summary of my strongest feelings through all that.

...Really

So you are assuming scum has no roleblocker?
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I see nothing in particular to indicate they necessarily have to have one.

That said my read on Death is a softer one based mostly on interactions with Han and Chris, so Death being town is definitely not outside the realm of possibility imo.

My biggest issue is that Leo's role exists in the game.

Backup Dead Mason Recruiter without really a way to play around that sounds really iffy
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If you have a team with no roleblocker it's not a horrible idea to claim power constantly blocked.

However if leo is town there is way too much power for no blocker
Even without leo it seems like scum needs a blocker.

Trying to multitask playing right now so might have to wait until I have some focus to digrst all that

Nana seems like the right lynch today. The "Han lynch was planned so late on it are town" when he was late on the Han lynch made me laugh
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Let's see...

I'm almost positive Puns and VeryInsane are Town. Puns has been blasted hard by scum all game and blasted them back. Ditto VI, and I'm adding in my signature Mafia Rival Read to call him 100% Town.

MI is probably Town. A bus drive exists on Puns and Stan, as confirmed by Boko. Since Chris claimed the kill on Stan, it seems likely to be true. Not much point in gambiting out of tracker/watcher fear if you actually shot Scare that night.

Death is also probably Town. I'm a little wary, and plan to grill him a bit tomorrow. For example - Stan pointed out that Death unvoted without any hesitation when he claimed cop. Death being a thief should make him more hostile towards other full scanner claims. However, this would mean that scum has no roleblocker, as they haven't roleblocked me or any one else all game. Scum would seem quite weak then, especially if MI is Town.

I'm Town, of course. I'm like 5 town. Eat your heart out, scum board.

So that leaves:

KBM/Nana/Red

Kind of feels too easy and like I'm missing something in the power but I still think it's right to start with sorting out Nana vs KBM.
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Nanahara715 posted...

Han's refusal to vote to save himself indicates to me that his lynch was preplanned. Unlikely KBM was involved based on her late vote.

Pre-planned "Han lynch" indicates to me that VI/MI not likely involved.

Puns probably scum because he started the Han lynch. Argument there is that after a mass claim, tracker was useless.

Death probably also scum because why is gen still alive? Why kill Jeff instead of Death? Outside chance at Red here.

More opinions later because I'm baking a cinnamon bun pie. But... hmmm.

Why would a Han lynch be preplanned? Because he gave up after he got obliterated over a 48 hour period? There was nothing insurmountable for him when the day started.
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Stan agrees strongly with KBM, he's making good points about how scum doesn't need a roleblocker in this set up. He mentions how the abilities that have flipped already counter town. For example, ninja godfather and Chris's thing completely shut down MI. A bodyguard and BP are weak protection. That might be why Stan got nuked N1 instead of roleblocked. One might argue that roleblocking Stan and killing two unclaimed, strong active town players would be better N1.
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Who's you recruit Leo?
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My Immortal posted...

Who's you recruit Leo?

Scare

I really wanted to know what his role does.

And Scare is great. Sorry Dowolf, I'll grab ya tonight.
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alright assholes

scum get ready for a whoopin' cus I'm all liquored up and this ain't gonna be pretty
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