Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ Y'shtola, Shulk and Kefka vs. Dark Samus

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MajinZidane posted...

Arti posted...

MajinZidane posted...

Kefka solos with buffs? How long do those buffs last for when Kefka is in a firefight with 3 Damuses in the skies?

Did you know that it takes basically hypermode Samus a half hour to kill Damus in this very boss fight that she appears in? Merc is a certified tank and is fast as hell while flying. Kefka is going to have to be nuking for a while here, buffs wear off, Damus wins.

all of Kefka's best spells do nonelemental unblockable damage. that includes forsaken, hyperdrive, and of course ultima

And Damus can tank tons of Damus. Plus, Kekfa is going to have to select a target versus the 2 clones and the real( (and probably invisible) Damus. Kefka is gonna have to go toe to toe with a likely invisible opponent with clones that is tanky af

forsaken hits all enemies
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greengravy294 posted...

Okay seriously no offense but if Dark Samus is going to exclusively fight in the air then why doesn't she fight Samus at any sort of range ... ever.

Ridley is ranged and flies. Dark Samus uh, yeah no <_>

There's a ceiling to all the arenas she's fought in, IIRC.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

greengravy294 posted...

Okay seriously no offense but if Dark Samus is going to exclusively fight in the air then why doesn't she fight Samus at any sort of range ... ever.

Ridley is ranged and flies. Dark Samus uh, yeah no <_>

There's a ceiling to all the arenas she's fought in, IIRC.

Yep
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Surely she could have picked better terrains then. ridley is smart enough to fight around an egg (or whatever) in MP2. cant get stuck in a room!!!

Fact of the matter is that dark samus never shows these tendencies. she's trying to kill samus in the game, and yet opts for fights in room-size arenas. her fighting some bizarrely "ideal" strategy against kefka (who she doesn't know has flying) and shulk (who has precog) is just incredibly meta.
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her fighting some bizarrely "ideal" strategy against kefka (who she doesn't know has flying) and shulk (who has precog) is just incredibly meta.

'Hmm, this purple man has big wings, hmmmmmmmmmm'

'No, surely he cannot fly, verily that'd be too simple, it must be some cunning misdirect'
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i actually figured kefka was in human form (i.e. seph's build)

fact of the matter is some fantasy fight between kefka and dark samus doesn't involve a fantasy where they fight well beyond any practical range.

like even if dark samus pulls off some stuff she never shows in MP3, why would kefka deliberately fly outside of y'shtola's range for instance. that's dumb.
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greengravy294 posted...

why would kefka deliberately fly outside of y'shtola's range for instance. that's dumb.

Because there's three Damuses raining down super missiles at them.

Also, it's Kefka
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Besides that Shulk's Monado Shield nullifies enemy attacks effectively letting Kefka no sell Dark Samus doing out of character stuff.
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greengravy294 posted...

Besides that Shulk's Monado Shield nullifies enemy attacks

Monardo Shield specifically shields against 1 Talent Art attack, not multiple attacks Gravy.

Also it's worth noting that Shulk has SSB4 Monado arts. Monado Jump does let him...jump higher.


I guess.

<_<
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

her fighting some bizarrely "ideal" strategy against kefka (who she doesn't know has flying) and shulk (who has precog) is just incredibly meta.

'Hmm, this purple man has big wings, hmmmmmmmmmm'

'No, surely he cannot fly, verily that'd be too simple, it must be some cunning misdirect'

Lmfao
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Yes and Monado Armo(u)r negates 75% damage for 15 seconds. Nullifying a missile and soaking the rest while casting Goner/Forsaken especially with ~~~KEFKA BOSS HP HYPE~~~ is pretty good.
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greengravy294 posted...

Besides that Shulk's Monado Shield nullifies enemy attacks effectively letting Kefka no sell Dark Samus doing out of character stuff.

Ya that's fine, no sell 1 attack from one clone over the course of a prolonged-ish fight. Damus x3 and Kefka isn't going to happen instantly, they're gonna be outta range for a bit nuking it out.
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greengravy294 posted...

Yes and Monado Armo(u)r negates 75% damage for 15 seconds. Nullifying a missile and soaking the rest while casting Goner/Forsaken especially with ~~~KEFKA BOSS HP HYPE~~~ is pretty good.

Dude it takes hypermode Samus over 15 Minutes to kill Damus in this boss fight (I think it's closer to 30 total?) What's a 15 second buff going to do?
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it takes a party of FOUR people 13 minutes to kill kefka
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Gameplay.


In reality it might have taken her a pretty short time.
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Kefka vs. Dark Samus is interesting

Kefka plus healer/reviver plus Monado shielding + buffs stomps
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Also the boss fight i just watched was 9 minutes


so i mean in terms of BOSS HEALTH HYPPPEEEEE thats a hideous exaggeration.
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greengravy294 posted...

it takes a party of FOUR people 13 minutes to kill kefka

That's fine, my argument is that buffs don't have an impact not that Damus kills Kefka quickly. I've said a bunch that it's a prolonged skirmish so cool thx
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yeah im just saying your argument is preposterous on every level.
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Eddv posted...

Gameplay.


In reality it might have taken her a pretty short time.

Facts:

-The Damus bossfight takes a very long time even compared to the length of your average MP3 bossfight.
-It takes a long time even though Samus is stuck with a permanent supermode, a supermode that makes mincemeat out of enemies outside of this one fight.
-Damus has enormous plot hype, obliterating Samus when she didn't have permanent Hypermode.

What facts are you using to say that the Damus fight was probably short? If you want to disprove the idea that it takes a long time you need to use something more than tummyfeels IMO.
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Well ok mostly i think Dark Samus isnt very good or impressive in an environment without oodles of phazon.
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Eddv posted...

Well ok mostly i think Dark Samus isnt very good or impressive in an environment without oodles of phazon.

That's fine. My counterpoint would be that she oneshotted Samus in a place where there was no Phazon at all, but I can at least respect that argument.
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greengravy294 posted...

Also the boss fight i just watched was 9 minutes


so i mean in terms of BOSS HEALTH HYPPPEEEEE thats a hideous exaggeration.

And a video I just watched brought Kefka down 2 minutes and 50 seconds with 4 party members.

¯\_(&#12484;)_/¯

yeah its almost like boss health hype is dumb
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greengravy294 posted...

Also it's worth noting that Shulk has SSB4 Monado arts. Monado Jump does let him...jump higher.


I guess.

<_<

This is legitimate btw, Monado Jump goes very high
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KamikazePotato posted...

greengravy294 posted...

Also it's worth noting that Shulk has SSB4 Monado arts. Monado Jump does let him...jump higher.


I guess.

<_<

This is legitimate btw, Monado Jump goes very high

Ya but the skies in this terrain are really, really high!
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MajinZidane posted...

Kefka solos with buffs? How long do those buffs last for when Kefka is in a firefight with 3 Damuses in the skies?

Here's the problem with the whole SKY BATTLE IN THE SKIES though. In this scenario, Y'shtola and Shulk are just chilling on the ground floor, unable to reach the combatants. Eventually, if Damus wins, then Kefka's corpse comes crashing to earth. (I'm not 100% sold on this outcome but let's just assume for ease of argument) Y'shtola does a Swiftcast Raise on him. Now Kefka is back -- and Damus is definitely not winning that fight a second time.

But, on the other hand, suppose that Damus decides to kill the pesky healer before initiating SKY BATTLE MODE. The problem is that Y'shtola isn't dying quickly. Obviously she can't 1v1 Samus but she has a lot of survivability -- she's quite agile, she has self-shielding, she has self-healing, she has Shulk and his precognition for Monado Shield if she's going to die. And while Damus is focusing on taking down the healer, Kefka is racking up the dps.

Basically, Damus is screwed either way.
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Drakeryn posted...

if Damus wins, then Kefka's corpse comes crashing to earth

And it comes down covered in Phazon... In close proximity to the two. The exceedingly virulent substance that Dark Samus can control and possess people through.

So wouldn't that be of a disadvantage to them to approach corrupted Kefka? If anything the newly resurrected Kefka could even no longer be on their side.

Obviously if he's covered in poison she's not going to roll in it, come on. She's just casting a spell.

(Also possession falls under the banned status category imo - your mileage may vary)
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Is Dark Samus teabagging Kefka and his corpse as she CONVERTS him to her side and turns off his ideal team mate clause a la Halo 2 multi player.

Very important for imagery
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Drakeryn posted...

(Also possession falls under the banned status category imo - your mileage may vary)

Doesn't mean he can't be under the influence of "Your mind gets completely fucked" part of Phazon. Compound that with how bad Kefka is regularly and well, personally I wouldn't see him being very reasonable toward anyone.

Drakeryn posted...

Obviously if he's covered in poison she's not going to roll in it, come on. She's just casting a spell.

Phazon works on an entire room basis unless you're wearing the equivalent of hazmat power armor.

If Dark Samus, in this bizarre and non-sensical scenario, is close to Y'shtola she can just Fluid Aura which knocks back AND binds her to the ground. So yeah.
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greengravy294 posted...

If Dark Samus, in this bizarre and non-sensical scenario, is close to Y'shtola she can just Fluid Aura which knocks back AND binds her to the ground. So yeah.

Dark Samus shoots Phazon. Every single one of her attacks are phazon. If she hits Kefka then Kefka's going to have phazon on him.

If Y'shtola goes near Phazon'd Kefka, then she'll be under the effects of Phazon too.

Is my line of logic understandable?

Why would Y'shtola be in close proximity to Kefka?
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greengravy294 posted...

Why would Y'shtola be in close proximity to Kefka?

KanzarisKelshen posted...

She can't. As noted FF14 scholar greengravy294 will note and agree with me, Y'sh's spells are limited to 30 yalms, about comparable to yards. So once the fight is over 30 meters above the ground, Y'shtola Rhul is more like Y'shtola RIP Your Contributions.

And Phazon goes over 30 meters of ground in effectiveness

well thankfully there is an ideal teammates clause and banned effects clause that doesn't allow people to have frayed minds and kill their teammates regardless of any fantastical scenario that occurs.
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greengravy294 posted...

well thankfully there is an ideal teammates clause and banned effects clause that doesn't allow people to have frayed minds and kill their teammates regardless of any fantastical scenario that occurs.

Nonsense. Ideal teammates is not a ban on misdirects. Ideal teammates just means mercs will not murder each other because it'd be in their personalities to do so (IE, Cloud and Sephiroth will fight together instead of dropping everything to have a duel to the death at the start of every match). Something enforced by the enemy team's efforts is not covered under ideal teammates and we have no bans on friendly fire. Kefka is, in fact, one of the traditional examples we use for 'dude is totally OK with killing his allies if it kills the enemy at the same time'.
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Shulk solos.

I really doubt she does GameFAQs Dark Samus strats of taking to the air for the entire fight out of reach of Shulk, and if she did, she's not going to do a good job fighting him from that distance at all (travel time alone means she's hitting jack). He's taken out countless flying enemies before too (Telethia and mechon en masse), and has outstanding endurance (was willing to fight Egil pretty much endlessly to avoid killing him, but still stopping him from harming others). He's even faced similar threats to phazon, with the pure ether that's used against him by the mechon.

Combined with Kefka, there's no way they'd lose. And Y'sholta is just some extra gravy on top.
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those are good points, mr. KJH.

Do you think that Damus would stay within range of Shulk for a good portion of the fight?
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