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Bloodychess 06/24/17 11:15:38 PM #1:	Mystical finger bling? --- Knowledge is power, power corrupts. Study hard and become evil. <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:881757130] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote>Mystical finger bling?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thisisboris2 06/24/17 11:18:42 PM #2:	the power to rule them all --- i dunno why but yall are cray cray coocoo heads <cite>thisisboris2 posted [p:881757276] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote>the power to rule them all</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 06/24/17 11:19:21 PM #3:	it had all of the true power of sauron woven into it, but none but the dark lord could actually USE that power the power living beings mainly experienced from it was essentially a protective measure he worked into it--the power of desire. that power made all who came across it desire the ring, and ultimately ensured they would make foolish choices that would lead to the ring returning to its only true master. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:881757305] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote>it had all of the true power of sauron woven into it, but none but the dark lord could actually USE that power the power living beings mainly experienced from it was essentially a protective measure he worked into it--the power of desire. that power made all who came across it desire the ring, and ultimately ensured they would make foolish choices that would lead to the ring returning to its only true master.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackDruidLOL 06/24/17 11:20:29 PM #4:	you were just invisible <cite>BlackDruidLOL posted [p:881757354] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote>you were just invisible</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 06/24/17 11:22:48 PM #5:	But why did Sauron need the ring if it's just filled with his own power that he already has in his body? <cite>Zikten posted [p:881757468] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote>But why did Sauron need the ring if it's just filled with his own power that he already has in his body?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 06/24/17 11:25:19 PM #6:	Zikten posted... But why did Sauron need the ring if it's just filled with his own power that he already has in his body? his body was destroyed one way to think of it is as a lich's phylactery --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:881757591] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>But why did Sauron need the ring if it's just filled with his own power that he already has in his body?</quote> his body was destroyed one way to think of it is as a lich's phylactery</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 06/24/17 11:25:47 PM #7:	Darkman124 posted... it had all of the true power of sauron woven into it, but none but the dark lord could actually USE that power But what was that power, besides the raw power you see when he clowns on that army battalion in the beginning of Fellowship --- Knowledge is power, power corrupts. Study hard and become evil. <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:881757613] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>it had all of the true power of sauron woven into it, but none but the dark lord could actually USE that power</quote> But what was that power, besides the raw power you see when he clowns on that army battalion in the beginning of Fellowship</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hinakuluiau 06/24/17 11:25:56 PM #8:	I like the theory I read that since the lesser species could only tap into a small amount of Sauron's power, that it reflected their abilities Like Boromir wanted it for Gondor, man is fairly capable at leading and fighting, so they could use that. Hobbits however are the lowest of creatures, and so are only good at hiding and become invisible with it I'm not Tolkien lore expert though --- There are some things where I just bypass critical thinking. - ROD http://error1355.com/ce/Hinakuluiau.html <cite>Hinakuluiau posted [p:881757621] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote>I like the theory I read that since the lesser species could only tap into a small amount of Sauron's power, that it reflected their abilities Like Boromir wanted it for Gondor, man is fairly capable at leading and fighting, so they could use that. Hobbits however are the lowest of creatures, and so are only good at hiding and become invisible with it I'm not Tolkien lore expert though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 06/24/17 11:26:42 PM #9:	Hinakuluiau posted... Like Boromir wanted it for Gondor, man is fairly capable at leading and fighting, so they could use that. Hobbits however are the lowest of creatures, and so are only good at hiding and become invisible with it Pretty sure humans go invisible too --- Knowledge is power, power corrupts. Study hard and become evil. <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:881757668] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hinakuluiau posted...</cite> <quote>Like Boromir wanted it for Gondor, man is fairly capable at leading and fighting, so they could use that. Hobbits however are the lowest of creatures, and so are only good at hiding and become invisible with it</quote> Pretty sure humans go invisible too</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Psyloshsr 06/24/17 11:27:06 PM #10:	Hinakuluiau posted... I like the theory I read that since the lesser species could only tap into a small amount of Sauron's power, that it reflected their abilities Like Boromir wanted it for Gondor, man is fairly capable at leading and fighting, so they could use that. Hobbits however are the lowest of creatures, and so are only good at hiding and become invisible with it I'm not Tolkien lore expert though Did anybody besides hobbits ever actually wear it though? --- Sometimes you have to make a stand for your principles if you want to believe in who and what you are.-John Lobon <cite>Psyloshsr posted [p:881757691] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hinakuluiau posted...</cite> <quote>I like the theory I read that since the lesser species could only tap into a small amount of Sauron's power, that it reflected their abilities Like Boromir wanted it for Gondor, man is fairly capable at leading and fighting, so they could use that. Hobbits however are the lowest of creatures, and so are only good at hiding and become invisible with it I'm not Tolkien lore expert though</quote> Did anybody besides hobbits ever actually wear it though?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 06/24/17 11:27:53 PM #11:	Bloodychess posted... But what was that power, besides the raw power you see when he clowns on that army battalion in the beginning of Fellowship he specifically had the power to seize control of the owners of the human rings of power, and i think the elven and dwarven rings as well, and enslave the owners. but only by using the ring. by pouring his power into it he was able to enhance it elves escaped it by hiding their rings away and not using them (until after he was destroyed the first time--gandalf actually wields one of the elven rings) dwarves mostly 'escaped' it by getting themselves destroyed before he could take them it was "the one ring to rule them all" in a very literal sense. mind control of the kings of the races. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:881757731] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote> But what was that power, besides the raw power you see when he clowns on that army battalion in the beginning of Fellowship</quote> he specifically had the power to seize control of the owners of the human rings of power, and i think the elven and dwarven rings as well, and enslave the owners. but only by using the ring. by pouring his power into it he was able to enhance it elves escaped it by hiding their rings away and not using them (until after he was destroyed the first time--gandalf actually wields one of the elven rings) dwarves mostly 'escaped' it by getting themselves destroyed before he could take them it was "the one ring to rule them all" in a very literal sense. mind control of the kings of the races.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prince_leo 06/24/17 11:32:07 PM #12:	iirc Sauron took all of the rings, except for the three Elven rings, from Celebrimbor and corrupted them there. so I'm not sure if he could have wrest control from them since they were never made with his direct input unlike the other 16. however, they did take them off until he disappeared so it's a possibility that he could have --- https://imgur.com/uHUvpSH http://error1355.com/ce/prince_leo.html <cite>prince_leo posted [p:881757936] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote>iirc Sauron took all of the rings, except for the three Elven rings, from Celebrimbor and corrupted them there. so I'm not sure if he could have wrest control from them since they were never made with his direct input unlike the other 16. however, they did take them off until he disappeared so it's a possibility that he could have</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 06/24/17 11:32:12 PM #13:	It's good to note that while he made the rings of men and dwarves, he only taught the elves how to make their rings. --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:881757946] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote>It's good to note that while he made the rings of men and dwarves, he only taught the elves how to make their rings.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 06/24/17 11:34:09 PM #14:	prince_leo posted... iirc Sauron took all of the rings, except for the three Elven rings, from Celebrimbor and corrupted them there. so I'm not sure if he could have wrest control from them since they were never made with his direct input unlike the other 16. however, they did take them off until he disappeared so it's a possibility that he could have it's not that he took them from others, he created the rings of power of the human kings and dwarven lords directly but the master ring he created in secret was meant to rule over the elven rings as well. the elves were able to avoid the fate of the other races because they had some foresight with regard to this. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:881758041] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>prince_leo posted...</cite> <quote>iirc Sauron took all of the rings, except for the three Elven rings, from Celebrimbor and corrupted them there. so I'm not sure if he could have wrest control from them since they were never made with his direct input unlike the other 16. however, they did take them off until he disappeared so it's a possibility that he could have </quote> it's not that he took them from others, he created the rings of power of the human kings and dwarven lords directly but the master ring he created in secret was meant to rule over the elven rings as well. the elves were able to avoid the fate of the other races because they had some foresight with regard to this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prince_leo 06/24/17 11:36:28 PM #15:	Found this while looking for something else The 'lesser' 16 of them were made by elves in Eregion, who were able to push ring-lore further than before with help from Sauron. These 16 were used by the elves there to strengthen their realm and so on. Elves are already naturally quite powerful, so in their hands the Rings of Power were pretty awesome. [It seems likely that one of these was given to King Durin III of Khazad-dum; Eregion and Khazad-dum/Moria got on well and were good neighbors.] They made other rings, but these 16 were the most powerful - using the combined knowledge of the top elven smiths and Sauron. Sauron left to make his One Ring - which he could use to overpower the others, using his even greater personal power and his knowledge of how their rings were made. While he was gone, though, Celebrimbor made 3 more rings (the rings of Water - the 'chief' one, Fire and Air - the strongest) - even more powerful than the other 16 that had been made. It seems he tended to use these himself, in his work. Anyway. When Sauron put on his One Ring he didn't immediately get control of the other rings; rather those wearing the other 19 rings of power would have been able to sense his presence, would come into contact with his Will, and would have perceived his true form and intentions. Now, in a contest of wills eventually all of them would probably have submitted to Sauron - particularly when using the Rings of Power - as both his will and his ring were stronger. But it wouldn't have been immediate - they had time to take them off and stop using them. Which was probably something that Sauron didn't account for; why would someone not use such a powerful tool, particularly when faced with defeat at the hands of a stronger enemy? [this having-power-but-not-using-it thing is kind of a theme in the books, dividing good and evil.] Sauron may have been hoping that they'd keep using the rings, even if to fight him, and that he'd be able to use the connection they formed to corrupt the elves and bind them to his own service (as he would later do with the 9 and the bearers of the 7). But the elves refused to wear them. Unsure what to do about his 3, Celebrimbor took them to his cousin Galadriel to ask for her advice, and they agreed to keep them, but never use them while the One Ring was still around (as they couldn't be trusted). So Celebrimbor gave her one of them (the Ring of Water), and sent the other two to the elven High King Gil-galad, in his kingdom of Lindon to the north. At some point Gil-galad gave one (the Ring of Fire) to Cirdan - his deputy, who ruled over the western parts of Lindon. Sauron seems to have been a bit set back by this lack of use, but eventually raised an army and invaded Eregion. He was able to capture and sack most of it (perhaps it helped him that parts of Eregion were 'maintained' by the strength of the 16) - capturing Celebrimbor when he took Ost-in-Edhil (the capital), and tortured him into revealing where the 16 lesser rings were. But Celebrimbor refused to reveal who he'd given the Three to. Sauron took most of the 16 - giving them to others to 'reward' them, or to corrupt them (9 to men, 6 to dwarves - one the dwarves already had and stayed mostly safe until late into the Third Age when Thrain II - son of Thror, father of Thorin Oakenshield - was captured by Sauron in Dol Guldur). Sauron destroyed most of Eregion - apart from the 'sanctuary' of Imladris in the north (later Rivendell). Gil-galad was able to hold onto Lindon (and Elrond, Rivendell) until help arrived from the Kingdom of Numenor. Sauron ended up trapped between the elven and Numenorean forces and was defeated at the Battle of the Gwathló in SA 1701 - his armies were destroyed and he barely managed to escape back to Mordor. Anyway... Eregion was destroyed, Celebrimbor was killed, Sauron had most of the 16 Rings of Power, but still didn't know where the Three were; but the elves who had them couldn't use them either, as that would reveal them to Sauron. --- https://imgur.com/uHUvpSH http://error1355.com/ce/prince_leo.html <cite>prince_leo posted [p:881758160] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote>Found this while looking for something else <quote>The 'lesser' 16 of them were made by elves in Eregion, who were able to push ring-lore further than before with help from Sauron. These 16 were used by the elves there to strengthen their realm and so on. Elves are already naturally quite powerful, so in their hands the Rings of Power were pretty awesome. [It seems likely that one of these was given to King Durin III of Khazad-dum; Eregion and Khazad-dum/Moria got on well and were good neighbors.] They made other rings, but these 16 were the most powerful - using the combined knowledge of the top elven smiths and Sauron. Sauron left to make his One Ring - which he could use to overpower the others, using his even greater personal power and his knowledge of how their rings were made. While he was gone, though, Celebrimbor made 3 more rings (the rings of Water - the 'chief' one, Fire and Air - the strongest) - even more powerful than the other 16 that had been made. It seems he tended to use these himself, in his work. Anyway. When Sauron put on his One Ring he didn't immediately get control of the other rings; rather those wearing the other 19 rings of power would have been able to sense his presence, would come into contact with his Will, and would have perceived his true form and intentions. Now, in a contest of wills eventually all of them would probably have submitted to Sauron - particularly when using the Rings of Power - as both his will and his ring were stronger. But it wouldn't have been immediate - they had time to take them off and stop using them. Which was probably something that Sauron didn't account for; why would someone not use such a powerful tool, particularly when faced with defeat at the hands of a stronger enemy? [this having-power-but-not-using-it thing is kind of a theme in the books, dividing good and evil.] Sauron may have been hoping that they'd keep using the rings, even if to fight him, and that he'd be able to use the connection they formed to corrupt the elves and bind them to his own service (as he would later do with the 9 and the bearers of the 7). But the elves refused to wear them. Unsure what to do about his 3, Celebrimbor took them to his cousin Galadriel to ask for her advice, and they agreed to keep them, but never use them while the One Ring was still around (as they couldn't be trusted). So Celebrimbor gave her one of them (the Ring of Water), and sent the other two to the elven High King Gil-galad, in his kingdom of Lindon to the north. At some point Gil-galad gave one (the Ring of Fire) to Cirdan - his deputy, who ruled over the western parts of Lindon. Sauron seems to have been a bit set back by this lack of use, but eventually raised an army and invaded Eregion. He was able to capture and sack most of it (perhaps it helped him that parts of Eregion were 'maintained' by the strength of the 16) - capturing Celebrimbor when he took Ost-in-Edhil (the capital), and tortured him into revealing where the 16 lesser rings were. But Celebrimbor refused to reveal who he'd given the Three to. Sauron took most of the 16 - giving them to others to 'reward' them, or to corrupt them (9 to men, 6 to dwarves - one the dwarves already had and stayed mostly safe until late into the Third Age when Thrain II - son of Thror, father of Thorin Oakenshield - was captured by Sauron in Dol Guldur). Sauron destroyed most of Eregion - apart from the 'sanctuary' of Imladris in the north (later Rivendell). Gil-galad was able to hold onto Lindon (and Elrond, Rivendell) until help arrived from the Kingdom of Numenor. Sauron ended up trapped between the elven and Numenorean forces and was defeated at the Battle of the Gwathló in SA 1701 - his armies were destroyed and he barely managed to escape back to Mordor. Anyway... Eregion was destroyed, Celebrimbor was killed, Sauron had most of the 16 Rings of Power, but still didn't know where the Three were; but the elves who had them couldn't use them either, as that would reveal them to Sauron.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 06/24/17 11:59:01 PM #16:	Gandalf wore one of the three Elven rings, didn't he? --- Who fears to walk upon the grass? But it is the grass that hides the viper from his enemies and shelters him until he strikes. <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:881759187] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote>Gandalf wore one of the three Elven rings, didn't he?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 06/25/17 9:55:37 PM #17:	DarthAragorn posted... Gandalf wore one of the three Elven rings, didn't he? yes, the ring of fire it was the real magic he was using during his time on middle earth--inspiring mortals to great deeds --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:881807950] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarthAragorn posted...</cite> <quote>Gandalf wore one of the three Elven rings, didn't he?</quote> yes, the ring of fire it was the real magic he was using during his time on middle earth--inspiring mortals to great deeds</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 06/25/17 9:59:43 PM #18:	What did the ring of fire actually do? --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:881808150] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote>What did the ring of fire actually do?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 06/25/17 10:19:39 PM #19:	DarkChozoGhost posted... What did the ring of fire actually do? inspiring others to resist tyranny if you think about it throughout the books/films gandalf is constantly doing that --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:881809156] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>What did the ring of fire actually do?</quote> inspiring others to resist tyranny if you think about it throughout the books/films gandalf is constantly doing that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Deadpool 06/25/17 10:23:31 PM #20:	Zikten posted... But why did Sauron need the ring if it's just filled with his own power that he already has in his body? It was created to corrupt the other ring bearers. It was a pretty serious task and his it took much of his power. It had the advantage of making him largely immortal. When his body was destroyed the ring remained with most of his power. If he got it back, he'd return to his full power and shit would not work out super well. Even without it his armies were winning pretty handidly... --- We are living in a world today where lemonade is made from artificial flavors and furniture polish is made from real lemons. <cite>The Deadpool posted [p:881809336] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>But why did Sauron need the ring if it's just filled with his own power that he already has in his body?</quote> It was created to corrupt the other ring bearers. It was a pretty serious task and his it took much of his power. It had the advantage of making him largely immortal. When his body was destroyed the ring remained with most of his power. If he got it back, he'd return to his full power and shit would not work out super well. Even without it his armies were winning pretty handidly...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 06/25/17 10:29:36 PM #21:	See, I thought that the dwarves were, for some reason, just immune to the rings' corruption. I don't recall where I heard that though. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac <cite>Esrac posted [p:881809613] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote>See, I thought that the dwarves were, for some reason, just immune to the rings' corruption. I don't recall where I heard that though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 06/25/17 10:29:59 PM #22:	Let's be honest, it was a plot McGuffin that developed powers as the plot demanded. It's fucking awesome and made a great story, but it's not like it's was rigidly designed from the get-go. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:881809634] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote>Let's be honest, it was a plot McGuffin that developed powers as the plot demanded. It's fucking awesome and made a great story, but it's not like it's was rigidly designed from the get-go.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 06/25/17 10:35:19 PM #23:	Esrac posted... See, I thought that the dwarves were, for some reason, just immune to the rings' corruption. I don't recall where I heard that though. They're very stalwart. Sauron couldn't control them like the men. He only made their greed worse and they brought their ism destruction because of it --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:881809923] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote>See, I thought that the dwarves were, for some reason, just immune to the rings' corruption. I don't recall where I heard that though.</quote> They're very stalwart. Sauron couldn't control them like the men. He only made their greed worse and they brought their ism destruction because of it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 06/25/17 10:36:19 PM #24:	Darkman124 posted... Zikten posted... But why did Sauron need the ring if it's just filled with his own power that he already has in his body? his body was destroyed one way to think of it is as a lich's phylactery What exactly was Sauron after his death? Was his entire presence stuck in the One Ring? I thought he was represented by that firey eye thing but I don't think that ended up being him. Now we've got Shadow of War making it look like he has a body walking around but that game isn't canon I guess. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:881809968] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>But why did Sauron need the ring if it's just filled with his own power that he already has in his body?</quote> his body was destroyed one way to think of it is as a lich's phylactery</quote> What exactly was Sauron after his death? Was his entire presence stuck in the One Ring? I thought he was represented by that firey eye thing but I don't think that ended up being him. Now we've got Shadow of War making it look like he has a body walking around but that game isn't canon I guess.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prince_leo 06/25/17 10:38:53 PM #25:	Darmik posted... Now we've got Shadow of War making it look like he has a body walking around but that game isn't canon I guess. the books do imply he has a body during the war of the ring --- https://imgur.com/uHUvpSH http://error1355.com/ce/prince_leo.html <cite>prince_leo posted [p:881810089] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Now we've got Shadow of War making it look like he has a body walking around but that game isn't canon I guess. </quote> the books do imply he has a body during the war of the ring</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 06/25/17 10:40:59 PM #26:	prince_leo posted... Darmik posted... Now we've got Shadow of War making it look like he has a body walking around but that game isn't canon I guess. the books do imply he has a body during the war of the ring So is he just chilling in that big tower in Mordor? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:881810201] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>prince_leo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Now we've got Shadow of War making it look like he has a body walking around but that game isn't canon I guess. </quote> the books do imply he has a body during the war of the ring</quote> So is he just chilling in that big tower in Mordor?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prince_leo 06/25/17 10:41:57 PM #27:	also this Letter No. 246 Sauron should be thought of as very terrible. The form that he took was that of a man of more than human stature, but not gigantic. In his earlier incarnation he was able to veil his power (as Gandalf did) and could appear as a commanding figure of great strength of body and supremely royal demeanour and countenance. Darmik posted... So is he just chilling in that big tower in Mordor? well gollum implies he was there at his torture, he mentions how he only has 9 fingers but that it's more than enough to harm so, yeah? not to mention his years as the necromancer --- https://imgur.com/uHUvpSH http://error1355.com/ce/prince_leo.html <cite>prince_leo posted [p:881810255] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote>also this <cite> Letter No. 246 </cite><quote> Sauron should be thought of as very terrible. The form that he took was that of a man of more than human stature, but not gigantic. In his earlier incarnation he was able to veil his power (as Gandalf did) and could appear as a commanding figure of great strength of body and supremely royal demeanour and countenance.</quote> <cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>So is he just chilling in that big tower in Mordor? </quote> well gollum implies he was there at his torture, he mentions how he only has 9 fingers but that it's more than enough to harm so, yeah? not to mention his years as the necromancer</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 06/25/17 10:49:22 PM #28:	@Dash_Harber posted... Let's be honest, it was a plot McGuffin that developed powers as the plot demanded. It's fucking awesome and made a great story, but it's not like it's was rigidly designed from the get-go. Honestly, because it's Tolkien, he probably did have this stuff thought up. His prose might be terrible, but his world building is unrivaled --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:881810624] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>@Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Let's be honest, it was a plot McGuffin that developed powers as the plot demanded. It's fucking awesome and made a great story, but it's not like it's was rigidly designed from the get-go.</quote> Honestly, because it's Tolkien, he probably did have this stuff thought up. His prose might be terrible, but his world building is unrivaled</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheFuriousInch 06/25/17 10:50:39 PM #29:	Esrac posted... See, I thought that the dwarves were, for some reason, just immune to the rings' corruption. I don't recall where I heard that though. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere in the silmarillion that dwarves are largely immune to the corrupting influence of the ring because they were made by a different one of the spirts that created the world, and made in secret, unlike elves and man who where a group effort. They literally are made of different stuff, so the most the ring can do is inflame their greed, as opposed to turning them into ringwraith or binding them to Sauron's will. --- PERSONAL HEADLINE Stout Player Wants To Pour Pink Zinfindel Onto His Firm Peepee While You Watch,Helpless <cite>TheFuriousInch posted [p:881810681] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote>See, I thought that the dwarves were, for some reason, just immune to the rings' corruption. I don't recall where I heard that though.</quote> I'm pretty sure I read somewhere in the silmarillion that dwarves are largely immune to the corrupting influence of the ring because they were made by a different one of the spirts that created the world, and made in secret, unlike elves and man who where a group effort. They literally are made of different stuff, so the most the ring can do is inflame their greed, as opposed to turning them into ringwraith or binding them to Sauron's will.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chill02 06/25/17 10:52:07 PM #30:	to drive the plot forward --- Ave, true to Caesar. <cite>chill02 posted [p:881810753] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote>to drive the plot forward</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 06/25/17 10:53:36 PM #31:	DarkChozoGhost posted... Honestly, because it's Tolkien, he probably did have this stuff thought up. His prose might be terrible, but his world building is unrivaled It's possible, but we can't really just assume. I mean, it's inclusion in The Hobbit is incredibly innocuous. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:881810810] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote> Honestly, because it's Tolkien, he probably did have this stuff thought up. His prose might be terrible, but his world building is unrivaled</quote> It's possible, but we can't really just assume. I mean, it's inclusion in The Hobbit is incredibly innocuous.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Deadpool 06/25/17 11:08:27 PM #32:	Dash_Harber posted... DarkChozoGhost posted... Honestly, because it's Tolkien, he probably did have this stuff thought up. His prose might be terrible, but his world building is unrivaled It's possible, but we can't really just assume. I mean, it's inclusion in The Hobbit is incredibly innocuous. Yes and no. There are some pretty big hints that the Ring is far more important than Bilbo realizes even back in the Hobbit... --- We are living in a world today where lemonade is made from artificial flavors and furniture polish is made from real lemons. <cite>The Deadpool posted [p:881811458] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote> Honestly, because it's Tolkien, he probably did have this stuff thought up. His prose might be terrible, but his world building is unrivaled</quote> It's possible, but we can't really just assume. I mean, it's inclusion in The Hobbit is incredibly innocuous.</quote> Yes and no. There are some pretty big hints that the Ring is far more important than Bilbo realizes even back in the Hobbit...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 06/25/17 11:13:06 PM #33:	The Deadpool posted... Dash_Harber posted... DarkChozoGhost posted... Honestly, because it's Tolkien, he probably did have this stuff thought up. His prose might be terrible, but his world building is unrivaled It's possible, but we can't really just assume. I mean, it's inclusion in The Hobbit is incredibly innocuous. Yes and no. There are some pretty big hints that the Ring is far more important than Bilbo realizes even back in the Hobbit... I must have missed that. What where they? I haven't read the book since I was like 13. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:881811670] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Deadpool posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote> Honestly, because it's Tolkien, he probably did have this stuff thought up. His prose might be terrible, but his world building is unrivaled</quote> It's possible, but we can't really just assume. I mean, it's inclusion in The Hobbit is incredibly innocuous.</quote> Yes and no. There are some pretty big hints that the Ring is far more important than Bilbo realizes even back in the Hobbit...</quote> I must have missed that. What where they? I haven't read the book since I was like 13.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOnionKnight 06/25/17 11:15:03 PM #34:	When The Hobbit was first written, the ring was just a magic invisibility ring. Later on, when he was writing LOTR, Tolkien fleshed out the lore more and decided it would be the One Ring, and he went back and edited a new edition of The Hobbit to tweak the story. So there are multiple versions of The Hobbit floating around out there. --- The owls are not what they seem. <cite>TheOnionKnight posted [p:881811780] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote>When The Hobbit was first written, the ring was just a magic invisibility ring. Later on, when he was writing LOTR, Tolkien fleshed out the lore more and decided it would be the One Ring, and he went back and edited a new edition of The Hobbit to tweak the story. So there are multiple versions of The Hobbit floating around out there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 06/25/17 11:16:43 PM #35:	TheOnionKnight posted... When The Hobbit was first written, the ring was just a magic invisibility ring. Later on, when he was writing LOTR, Tolkien fleshed out the lore more and decided it would be the One Ring, and he went back and edited a new edition of The Hobbit to tweak the story. So there are multiple versions of The Hobbit floating around out there. That makes more sense to me. Even if there are hints, the ring itself and it's effects aren't even remotely hinted to be anything other than an invisibility ring plot device. Not to say that his writing is bad or that there is anything wrong with the stories, just that world building is more of an interpretive art than a hard science. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:881811850] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheOnionKnight posted...</cite> <quote>When The Hobbit was first written, the ring was just a magic invisibility ring. Later on, when he was writing LOTR, Tolkien fleshed out the lore more and decided it would be the One Ring, and he went back and edited a new edition of The Hobbit to tweak the story. So there are multiple versions of The Hobbit floating around out there.</quote> That makes more sense to me. Even if there are hints, the ring itself and it's effects aren't even remotely hinted to be anything other than an invisibility ring plot device. Not to say that his writing is bad or that there is anything wrong with the stories, just that world building is more of an interpretive art than a hard science.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kid_Buu 06/25/17 11:17:44 PM #36:	BlackDruidLOL posted... you were just invisible "just" <cite>Kid_Buu posted [p:881811888] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>BlackDruidLOL posted...</cite> <quote>you were just invisible</quote> "just"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOnionKnight 06/25/17 11:27:01 PM #37:	Dash_Harber posted... Even if there are hints, the ring itself and it's effects aren't even remotely hinted to be anything other than an invisibility ring plot device. In the updated edition, there actually are some hints that the ring might be bad news. Gollum is more obsessed with it, Gandalf knows something fishy is happening, and Bilbo lies about owning it. You could've easily read the older version when you were a kid though, which doesn't have this stuff. Here's a little rundown if you're interested in more details: http://tolkien.cro.net/tolkien/changes.html --- The owls are not what they seem. <cite>TheOnionKnight posted [p:881812349] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Even if there are hints, the ring itself and it's effects aren't even remotely hinted to be anything other than an invisibility ring plot device.</quote> In the updated edition, there actually are some hints that the ring might be bad news. Gollum is more obsessed with it, Gandalf knows something fishy is happening, and Bilbo lies about owning it. You could've easily read the older version when you were a kid though, which doesn't have this stuff. Here's a little rundown if you're interested in more details: http://tolkien.cro.net/tolkien/changes.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 06/25/17 11:27:31 PM #38:	Kid_Buu posted... BlackDruidLOL posted... you were just invisible "just" Let's be fair, the ring later went on to allow you to transverse dimensions and contained the evil jelly of the king of all evil. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:881812371] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kid_Buu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BlackDruidLOL posted...</cite> <quote>you were just invisible</quote> "just"</quote> Let's be fair, the ring later went on to allow you to transverse dimensions and contained the evil jelly of the king of all evil.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 06/26/17 12:12:07 AM #39:	Darkman124 posted... DarthAragorn posted... Gandalf wore one of the three Elven rings, didn't he? yes, the ring of fire Wait, so is that why he told the Balrog he was a servant of the Secret Fire? Cause he was wearing a secret ring? --- Knowledge is power, power corrupts. Study hard and become evil. <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:881814356] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarthAragorn posted...</cite> <quote>Gandalf wore one of the three Elven rings, didn't he?</quote> yes, the ring of fire</quote> Wait, so is that why he told the Balrog he was a servant of the Secret Fire? Cause he was wearing a secret ring?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 06/26/17 12:36:49 AM #40:	The one ring gave power in accord with ones own inherent power. The thing is, Sauron can't lose; if you're weak, he eventually dominates you directly, making you a creature of his will. If you're powerful, he dominates you in a different way. You oppose him, and in doing so, become him. Think Saruman, who had a palantir that resulted in a similar struggle of wills. This is a key difference between men and dwarves. Men succumbed and became agents of the dark Lord - dwarves became greedy and got eaten by dragons, mostly. --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:881815292] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote>The one ring gave power in accord with ones own inherent power. The thing is, Sauron can't lose; if you're weak, he eventually dominates you directly, making you a creature of his will. If you're powerful, he dominates you in a different way. You oppose him, and in doing so, become him. Think Saruman, who had a palantir that resulted in a similar struggle of wills. This is a key difference between men and dwarves. Men succumbed and became agents of the dark Lord - dwarves became greedy and got eaten by dragons, mostly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 06/26/17 8:57:51 AM #41:	Bloodychess posted... Wait, so is that why he told the Balrog he was a servant of the Secret Fire? Cause he was wearing a secret ring? yes. Balrog0 posted... The one ring gave power in accord with ones own inherent power. The thing is, Sauron can't lose; if you're weak, he eventually dominates you directly, making you a creature of his will. If you're powerful, he dominates you in a different way. You oppose him, and in doing so, become him. Think Saruman, who had a palantir that resulted in a similar struggle of wills. This is a key difference between men and dwarves. Men succumbed and became agents of the dark Lord - dwarves became greedy and got eaten by dragons, mostly. good summary. Darmik posted... What exactly was Sauron after his death? Was his entire presence stuck in the One Ring? I thought he was represented by that firey eye thing but I don't think that ended up being him. Now we've got Shadow of War making it look like he has a body walking around but that game isn't canon I guess. as others stated, his body had been restored, but its powers had not --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:881826798] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote>Wait, so is that why he told the Balrog he was a servant of the Secret Fire? Cause he was wearing a secret ring?</quote> yes. <cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>The one ring gave power in accord with ones own inherent power. The thing is, Sauron can't lose; if you're weak, he eventually dominates you directly, making you a creature of his will. If you're powerful, he dominates you in a different way. You oppose him, and in doing so, become him. Think Saruman, who had a palantir that resulted in a similar struggle of wills. This is a key difference between men and dwarves. Men succumbed and became agents of the dark Lord - dwarves became greedy and got eaten by dragons, mostly.</quote> good summary. <cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote> What exactly was Sauron after his death? Was his entire presence stuck in the One Ring? I thought he was represented by that firey eye thing but I don't think that ended up being him. Now we've got Shadow of War making it look like he has a body walking around but that game isn't canon I guess.</quote> as others stated, his body had been restored, but its powers had not</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 06/26/17 10:51:34 AM #42:	Darkman124 posted... Bloodychess posted... Wait, so is that why he told the Balrog he was a servant of the Secret Fire? Cause he was wearing a secret ring? yes. No it's not. That had nothing to do with the ring. The secret fire is literally the breath of life that can only be bestowed by Eru Ilvitar personally. The "flame of anor" could possibly be talking about the ring though --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:881831065] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>Bloodychess posted... Wait, so is that why he told the Balrog he was a servant of the Secret Fire? Cause he was wearing a secret ring? yes. </quote> No it's not. That had nothing to do with the ring. The secret fire is literally the breath of life that can only be bestowed by Eru Ilvitar personally. The "flame of anor" could possibly be talking about the ring though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 06/26/17 5:37:47 PM #43:	TheOnionKnight posted... Dash_Harber posted... Even if there are hints, the ring itself and it's effects aren't even remotely hinted to be anything other than an invisibility ring plot device. In the updated edition, there actually are some hints that the ring might be bad news. Gollum is more obsessed with it, Gandalf knows something fishy is happening, and Bilbo lies about owning it. You could've easily read the older version when you were a kid though, which doesn't have this stuff. Here's a little rundown if you're interested in more details: http://tolkien.cro.net/tolkien/changes.html Yeah, that just sort of proves the whole point I was trying to make, though. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:881853925] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheOnionKnight posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Even if there are hints, the ring itself and it's effects aren't even remotely hinted to be anything other than an invisibility ring plot device.</quote> In the updated edition, there actually are some hints that the ring might be bad news. Gollum is more obsessed with it, Gandalf knows something fishy is happening, and Bilbo lies about owning it. You could've easily read the older version when you were a kid though, which doesn't have this stuff. Here's a little rundown if you're interested in more details: http://tolkien.cro.net/tolkien/changes.html</quote> Yeah, that just sort of proves the whole point I was trying to make, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheOnionKnight 06/26/17 6:01:45 PM #44:	Yeah, what you said is true in regards to how Tolkien created the concept for the ring. Took him a few drafts and different editions to work it out. I was only responding to the idea that it's "not remotely hinted" in the updated Hobbit, since it is hinted there. I think it's pretty neat to see how the books developed as he built the story. --- The owls are not what they seem. <cite>TheOnionKnight posted [p:881855245] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, what you said is true in regards to how Tolkien created the concept for the ring. Took him a few drafts and different editions to work it out. I was only responding to the idea that it's "not remotely hinted" in the updated Hobbit, since it is hinted there. I think it's pretty neat to see how the books developed as he built the story.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 06/26/17 6:03:20 PM #45:	TheOnionKnight posted... Yeah, what you said is true in regards to how Tolkien created the concept for the ring. Took him a few drafts and different editions to work it out. I was only responding to the idea that it's "not remotely hinted" in the updated Hobbit, since it is hinted there. I think it's pretty neat to see how the books developed as he built the story. Oh, no I wasn't arguing it wasn't hinted later. I haven't seen different versions for comparison. It is cool, and unique, though, I'm generally against that sort of revisionism in media (like, for example, George Lucas' reworkings of Star Wars). <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:881855335] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheOnionKnight posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, what you said is true in regards to how Tolkien created the concept for the ring. Took him a few drafts and different editions to work it out. I was only responding to the idea that it's "not remotely hinted" in the updated Hobbit, since it is hinted there. I think it's pretty neat to see how the books developed as he built the story.</quote> Oh, no I wasn't arguing it wasn't hinted later. I haven't seen different versions for comparison. It is cool, and unique, though, I'm generally against that sort of revisionism in media (like, for example, George Lucas' reworkings of Star Wars).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Touch 06/26/17 10:34:24 PM #46:	The one ring to rule my dong --- http://i.imgtc.com/zPvnLh0.gif <cite>Touch posted [p:881872182] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote>The one ring to rule my dong</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Inigo 06/26/17 10:38:56 PM #47:	What the fuck is Sauron? Like what race is he? --- "This is your last dance." <cite>Blue_Inigo posted [p:881872443] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote>What the fuck is Sauron? Like what race is he?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rodu_jr 06/26/17 10:47:40 PM #48:	BlackDruidLOL posted... you were just invisible Sort of. Putting the Ring on, the wearer exists in both the mortal world, and the shadow world. That's why when Frodo put the Ring on, he was able to see the Nazgul's true forms, where as they would be invisible in the mortal world. Also, when Frodo put the Ring on, the Nazgul were able to see him clearly, where as their vision was limited <cite>rodu_jr posted [p:881872974] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>BlackDruidLOL posted...</cite> <quote>you were just invisible</quote> Sort of. Putting the Ring on, the wearer exists in both the mortal world, and the shadow world. That's why when Frodo put the Ring on, he was able to see the Nazgul's true forms, where as they would be invisible in the mortal world. Also, when Frodo put the Ring on, the Nazgul were able to see him clearly, where as their vision was limited</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 06/26/17 11:10:41 PM #49:	Blue_Inigo posted... What the fuck is Sauron? Like what race is he? Maia I think? The same as Gandalf actually iirc --- Who fears to walk upon the grass? But it is the grass that hides the viper from his enemies and shelters him until he strikes. <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:881874310] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blue_Inigo posted...</cite> <quote>What the fuck is Sauron? Like what race is he?</quote> Maia I think? The same as Gandalf actually iirc</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 06/26/17 11:12:10 PM #50:	Dash_Harber posted... Kid_Buu posted... BlackDruidLOL posted... you were just invisible "just" Let's be fair, the ring later went on to allow you to transverse dimensions and contained the evil jelly of the king of all evil. Where did that happen? <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:881874393] in So what ex... [t:75498400]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kid_Buu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BlackDruidLOL posted...</cite> <quote>you were just invisible</quote> "just"</quote> Let's be fair, the ring later went on to allow you to transverse dimensions and contained the evil jelly of the king of all evil.</quote> Where did that happen?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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