Current Events > SCOTUS decides what to do with Trump's Muslim Ban today

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Tomorrow at the latest. What do you think will come of it?

Personally, I think they'll choose to let the lower injunctions stand. Alito, Gorsuch and Thomas dissenting.

Wasn't it only a 90 day ban? As in it's past due anyways?
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lilORANG posted...

Wasn't it only a 90 day ban? As in it's past due anyways?

That was Trump's original excuse. Some nonsense about a 90 day ban "while we figure out what's going on". Welp, it's been almost twice that with ZERO outside Islamic terrorist attacks on American soil. Seems like our current policies are perfectly adequate.

Kessobahn posted...

lilORANG posted...

Wasn't it only a 90 day ban? As in it's past due anyways?

That was Trump's original excuse. Some nonsense about a 90 day ban "while we figure out what's going on". Welp, it's been almost twice that with ZERO outside Islamic terrorist attacks on American soil. Seems like our current policies are perfectly adequate.

Because the ban greatly limited the number of refugees entering the US this year regardless of the court decisions:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/05/04/refugee-admissions-donald-trump-migrants/101036264/

So you're kind of making an argument in favor of it.
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The Trump winning streak continues.
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The Admiral posted...

Because the ban greatly limited the number of refugees entering the US this year regardless of the court decisions:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/05/04/refugee-admissions-donald-trump-migrants/101036264/

So you're kind of making an argument in favor of it.

Not really though. The last outside Islamic terrorist attack was what? Orlando? Our policies are already quite stringent.

Kessobahn posted...

Not really though. The last outside Islamic terrorist attack was what? Orlando? Our policies are already quite stringent.

That was domestic.
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Kessobahn posted...

The Admiral posted...

Because the ban greatly limited the number of refugees entering the US this year regardless of the court decisions:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/05/04/refugee-admissions-donald-trump-migrants/101036264/

So you're kind of making an argument in favor of it.

Not really though. The last outside Islamic terrorist attack was what? Orlando? Our policies are already quite stringent.

Orlando wasn't even an outside attack. Dude was born and raised in America.
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NinjaWarrior455 posted...

Kessobahn posted...

The Admiral posted...

Because the ban greatly limited the number of refugees entering the US this year regardless of the court decisions:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/05/04/refugee-admissions-donald-trump-migrants/101036264/

So you're kind of making an argument in favor of it.

Not really though. The last outside Islamic terrorist attack was what? Orlando? Our policies are already quite stringent.

Orlando wasn't even an outside attack. Dude was born and raised in America.

Well what was the last one then? Was San Bernardino outside? Or are we going back to 9/11? Either way, we can safely say it's been years.

I believe it was, but I don't really know the details about it.
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Asherlee10 posted...

I don't understand why the "Travel Ban" is so important to Trump. Didn't he just approve sending tons of funds to Saudi Arabia, which in turn, arms known terrorists?

Apologies if I am off base.

You aren't off base. The ban is important to Trump because it was a campaign promise. Thus far, he's broken far, far more campaign promises than he's kept, so he needs a check in the win column for once. And yes, arming Saudi Arabia is very hypocritical in this case. Especially since he loved to shit on Obama and Hillary for funding them.

Kessobahn posted...

NinjaWarrior455 posted...

Kessobahn posted...

The Admiral posted...

Because the ban greatly limited the number of refugees entering the US this year regardless of the court decisions:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/05/04/refugee-admissions-donald-trump-migrants/101036264/

So you're kind of making an argument in favor of it.

Not really though. The last outside Islamic terrorist attack was what? Orlando? Our policies are already quite stringent.

Orlando wasn't even an outside attack. Dude was born and raised in America.

Well what was the last one then? Was San Bernardino outside? Or are we going back to 9/11? Either way, we can safely say it's been years.

The Somali refugee who attacked Ohio State last November.
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Asherlee10 posted...

What is the reasoning behind it? There has to be some sort of decent reason.

We must be allies with Saudi Arabia because we've always been allies with Saudi Arabia.
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The Admiral posted...

The Somali refugee who attacked Ohio State last November.

Okay, that one slipped my mind. How about the two before that? Trying to get an idea of frequency. I would never be the person to call attacks in Europe "isolated incidents", but from my recollection, the Ohio State attack fits that description. Wasn't that the guy who drove a car in and started knifing people? Compared with other attacks, that seems highly unorganized and rather random.

Has he beaten ISIS yet?
It's gotta be getting close to his 30 day time limit!
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Asherlee10 posted...

I don't understand why the "Travel Ban" is so important to Trump. Didn't he just approve sending tons of funds to Saudi Arabia, which in turn, arms known terrorists?

Apologies if I am off base.

It's important to Trump because most of his support comes from inbred hicks I'm flyover states where they've never seen a Muslim but are terrified of evil brown people coming to blow up buttfuck Kansas population 200.

Therefore he's attacking refugees to score points even though a fear of terrorism is ridiculous and changing are values is letting the terrorists win.
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So SCOTUS is going to review the ban in October. This means that it goes into effect with the restrictions of people with "bona fide" ties to the US. So it's blocking people who don't have relatives, aren't students etc.

why arent liberals outraged now? theyre just like ehh whatever after the ruling from the judges.
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Crazy stuff. I don't support the ban, I don't think it's necessary. But I never questioned the legality of it. Will be interesting to see what happens in october.
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Awesome posted...

why arent liberals outraged now? theyre just like ehh whatever after the ruling from the judges.

Because it's a reasonable compromise. If Trump had proposed this as a measure, it might have never been denied. He wants a complete ban on Muslim travel though. Though I'm not liberal, so maybe they want fully open borders.

Awesome posted...

why arent liberals outraged now? theyre just like ehh whatever after the ruling from the judges.

Anyone with a half a brain and a love of America have a problem with this. It's utterly disgusting.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Awesome posted...

why arent liberals outraged now? theyre just like ehh whatever after the ruling from the judges.

Anyone with a half a brain and a love of America have a problem with this. It's utterly disgusting.

Everyone with half a brain sees the problems that letting millions of refugees into Western Europe caused, and doesn't want that to be repeated in the U.S.

While you may not agree with a complete Muslim travel ban, it's no worse a solution than Obama's, which was "let's pretend Islam has nothing to do with Islamic terrorism." We had a record number of Islamic terrorist attacks under Obama's watch, and continuing to do nothing as the problem grows isn't a solution.
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Asherlee10 posted...

I don't understand why the "Travel Ban" is so important to Trump. Didn't he just approve sending tons of funds to Saudi Arabia, which in turn, arms known terrorists?

Apologies if I am off base.

His supporters want the travel ban.
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The Admiral posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Awesome posted...

why arent liberals outraged now? theyre just like ehh whatever after the ruling from the judges.

Anyone with a half a brain and a love of America have a problem with this. It's utterly disgusting.

Everyone with half a brain sees the problems that letting millions of refugees into Western Europe caused, and doesn't want that to be repeated in the U.S.

While you may not agree with a complete Muslim travel ban, it's no worse a solution than Obama's, which was "let's pretend Islam has nothing to do with Islamic terrorism." We had a record number of Islamic terrorist attacks under Obama's watch, and continuing to do nothing as the problem grows isn't a solution.

If only he would have said the words "Islamic terrorism", these attacks would have never occurred.
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Let's ban all guns then because if we're going to change all of our values over irrational fears guns are a great target to.

This ban just shows that Americans are willing to bend over backwards for terrorists. We no longer have a back bone, irrational fear is causing us to cower instead of acting with dignity.

The funniest thing is that this isn't supported in New York city, where if anywhere in America should be scared or upset they would have the right, it's not supported in San Francisco or LA or Chicago or Miami where a terrorist attack might happen. It's not supported in the big cities that have Muslim populations and real with them.

It's supported in middle America where they talk of patriotism and doing what's right and how tough they are. Places that a terrorist wouldn't think of attacking because it wouldn't make the news. It's supported by small minded people who despite never meeting a Muslim live in absolute fear of them.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Let's ban all guns then because if we're going to change all of our values over irrational fears guns are a great target to.

This ban just shows that Americans are willing to bend over backwards for terrorists. We no longer have a back bone, irrational fear is causing us to cower instead of acting with dignity.

The funniest thing is that this isn't supported in New York city, where if anywhere in America should be scared or upset they would have the right, it's not supported in San Francisco or LA or Chicago or Miami where a terrorist attack might happen. It's not supported in the big cities that have Muslim populations and real with them.

It's supported in middle America where they talk of patriotism and doing what's right and how tough they are. Places that a terrorist wouldn't think of attacking because it wouldn't make the news. It's supported by small minded people who despite never meeting a Muslim live in absolute fear of them.

The Muslim ban in only supported in circles of uneducated whites who fear what they do not know.
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I don't really think that's fair to say either. I'm sure muffle America and some of the south has uneducated blacks and Hispanic people that also support it.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

I don't really think that's fair to say either. I'm sure muffle America and some of the south has uneducated blacks and Hispanic people that also support it.

Of course, but not even close to the uneducated white rural demographic.
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JAMC posted...

The Muslim ban in only supported in circles of uneducated whites who fear what they do not know.

You mean them, and the majority of American citizens:
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2017-02-08/poll-majority-support-trumps-travel-ban
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The Admiral posted...

JAMC posted...

The Muslim ban in only supported in circles of uneducated whites who fear what they do not know.

You mean them, and the majority of American citizens:
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2017-02-08/poll-majority-support-trumps-travel-ban

Uh, your link is from February. I believe his approval rating was also higher back then as well.
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JAMC posted...

The Admiral posted...

JAMC posted...

The Muslim ban in only supported in circles of uneducated whites who fear what they do not know.

You mean them, and the majority of American citizens:
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2017-02-08/poll-majority-support-trumps-travel-ban

Uh, your link is from February. I believe his approval rating was also higher back then as well.

February was when people were having weekly protests about the ban, and before the two recent attacks in the U.K. If anything, this is as favorable a poll as you will be able to find for your position.

...which is empirically wrong, in addition to being ignorantly racist.
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The Admiral posted...

JAMC posted...

The Admiral posted...

JAMC posted...

The Muslim ban in only supported in circles of uneducated whites who fear what they do not know.

You mean them, and the majority of American citizens:
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2017-02-08/poll-majority-support-trumps-travel-ban

Uh, your link is from February. I believe his approval rating was also higher back then as well.

February was when people were having weekly protests about the ban, and before the two recent attacks in the U.K. If anything, this is as favorable a poll as you will be able to find for your position.

...which is empirically wrong, in addition to being ignorantly racist.

So your conjecture is that the poll results from February are still relevant? The most current available data has it split, and even that was from a month and a half back. His support has been steadily decreasing since then. It would be absurd to assume anything he supports is somehow more popular now when he is less liked.

What is racist about my position again?
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JAMC posted...

The Muslim ban in only supported in circles of uneducated whites who fear what they do not know.

Millions of minorities voted for Trump. Including millions of mixed raced persons.

Try again
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JAMC posted...

So your conjecture is that the poll results from February are still relevant? The most current available data has it split, and even that was from a month and a half back. His support has been steadily decreasing since then. It would be absurd to assume anything he supports is somehow more popular now when he is less liked.

What is racist about my position again?

The part about this being supported only by "ignorant whites." First off, you have no evidence that it's just whites -- and not also blacks, Hispanics, and Asians -- who support this. And secondly, even if it was 100% supported by whites, that 54% would mean you're calling three-quarters of the total white population "uneducated."

At this point it's probably better to just admit you were emotional and just being hyperbolic. This doesn't get any better for you if you want to start defending your position based on any of the actual data.
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Capn Circus posted...

JAMC posted...

The Muslim ban in only supported in circles of uneducated whites who fear what they do not know.

Millions of minorities voted for Trump. Including millions of mixed raced persons.

Try again

Millions of minorities vote for the GOP candidate every cycle. Try again.
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The Admiral posted...

JAMC posted...

So your conjecture is that the poll results from February are still relevant? The most current available data has it split, and even that was from a month and a half back. His support has been steadily decreasing since then. It would be absurd to assume anything he supports is somehow more popular now when he is less liked.

What is racist about my position again?

The part about this being supported only by "ignorant whites." First off, you have no evidence that it's just whites -- and not also blacks, Hispanics, and Asians -- who support this. And secondly, even if it was 100% supported by whites, that 54% would mean you're calling three-quarters of the total white population "uneducated."

At this point it's probably better to just admit you were emotional and just being hyperbolic. This doesn't get any better for you if you want to start defending your position based on any of the actual data.

This is, in vast majority, supported by ignorant whites. Just like the administration in general. I am white, and I don't think I am better than them because of their ethnicity. So how was my statement racist again?
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The Admiral posted...

JAMC posted...

So your conjecture is that the poll results from February are still relevant? The most current available data has it split, and even that was from a month and a half back. His support has been steadily decreasing since then. It would be absurd to assume anything he supports is somehow more popular now when he is less liked.

What is racist about my position again?

The part about this being supported only by "ignorant whites." First off, you have no evidence that it's just whites -- and not also blacks, Hispanics, and Asians -- who support this. And secondly, even if it was 100% supported by whites, that 54% would mean you're calling three-quarters of the total white population "uneducated."

At this point it's probably better to just admit you were emotional and just being hyperbolic. This doesn't get any better for you if you want to start defending your position based on any of the actual data.

It's funny this riles you up yet you casually claim any city with a majority of black people is a crime ridden hell hole.
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Kessobahn posted...

NinjaWarrior455 posted...

Kessobahn posted...

The Admiral posted...

Because the ban greatly limited the number of refugees entering the US this year regardless of the court decisions:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/05/04/refugee-admissions-donald-trump-migrants/101036264/

So you're kind of making an argument in favor of it.

Not really though. The last outside Islamic terrorist attack was what? Orlando? Our policies are already quite stringent.

Orlando wasn't even an outside attack. Dude was born and raised in America.

Well what was the last one then? Was San Bernardino outside? Or are we going back to 9/11? Either way, we can safely say it's been years.

You're forgetting about the Bowling Green massacre....
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i read that as Trump's Muslim Baby
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