Current Events > How stupid do you have to be to buy Shark Cards at this point?

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-Take Two CEO says that they are not pushing micro transactions enough
-Latest update requires you to get past over 50 paywalls before you can actually buy the new content.
-200 dollars worth of Shark Cards doesn't even get you 3 vehicles now.

How fucking stupid are GTA Online players that buy Shark Cards at this point, for real?
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iirc ce seemed to be supportive of gta onlines micro transactions the last time this topic was created. i have no fucking clue why as its far worse than most of the petty shit ce has gotten pissed over before.
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Shame they had to take such a fun idea like GTA Online and completely ruin it with their greed
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Yeah I mentioned how fucking out of control the micro transactions have gotten (and that's *really* saying something) with this latest update but CE seemed to just think it wasn't that big of a deal.

I think gamers have just gotten used to micro transactions at this point, which is fucking sad. I'm really worried about Red Dead Redemption 2 as well.
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KillerSlaw posted...

Yeah I mentioned how fucking out of control the micro transactions have gotten (and that's *really* saying something) with this latest update but CE seemed to just think it wasn't that big of a deal.

I think gamers have just gotten used to micro transactions at this point, which is fucking sad.

the best is the people who try to justify it

"If you just grind for hours and hours you can buy with in-game cash!"
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MC_BatCommander posted...

KillerSlaw posted...

Yeah I mentioned how fucking out of control the micro transactions have gotten (and that's *really* saying something) with this latest update but CE seemed to just think it wasn't that big of a deal.

I think gamers have just gotten used to micro transactions at this point, which is fucking sad.

the best is the people who try to justify it

"If you just grind for hours and hours you can buy with in-game cash!"

I'm convinced that people who say this don't actually play GTA Online that much or at all anymore because the grind is so ridiculously huge at this point.

Hell, there isn't even a grind for the latest update. There's a straight up free to play paywall in place now where you either have to pay 250,000 dollars to unlock an item to buy, or wait 3 hours in real time (and only in free roam) for said item to unlock.

Also there are 48 of these items, and the order in which they are unlocked is completely random.
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-200 dollars worth of Shark Cards doesn't even get you 3 vehicles now.

For real? Or do you just mean good vehicles?
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Shotgunnova posted...

-200 dollars worth of Shark Cards doesn't even get you 3 vehicles now.

For real? Or do you just mean good vehicles?

It's not entirely true.

The new vehicles all range around the 2,000,000 dollar range. If you complete certain missions you can lower the price around 500k.

But in order to do those missions, you need a Mobile Command Center, which costs around 1,225,000

In order to buy a Mobile Command Center, you need to own a bunker first to store it in, which costs around 1,150,000

Now in order to modify the new vehicles, you need a vehicle modification bay in your mobile command center which costs like 955,000

And in order to unlock modifications to use on the new vehicles, you need to unlock them through "research" which either requires you to wait 3 real time hours in free mode OR pay 225,000 to "fast track" it and unlock it immediately.

Oh, and you can't choose which modifications you want to research. The game chooses which ones are researched randomly. There are 48 in all.

And you have to pay to actually modify the vehicle as well. So say you research twin miniguns and fast track it for 225,000. You then have to pay the price of the modification on top of that.

So 100 dollars in shark cards (I'm assuming 200 is a typo, since the highest they sell for a single card is 100) would get you maybe 4 or 5 of the new vehicles if you did the missions to unlock the reduced price. But then you'd need to pay upwards of of 3.5 million in order to actually modify the vehicles to make them worth a damn.

Then you would either have to wait 144 hours in free mode to unlock the modifications for use (although, not all of those unlocks are vehicle related. many are weapon related as well) and/or pay around 11 million to unlock them.
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bump
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http://gtaforums.com/topic/890642-the-lone-wolfs-guide-to-making-money-and-resarch/

The microtransactions are bullshit, but this guy has a system to make 800k in 2 and a half hours solo which is pretty decent.

The argument can be made that you still have to spend a shit ton of money in order to have the coke warehouse and bunker in order to make this work, but honestly it sounds like TC has been playing GTA Online for a while so you should have these things by now.

I agree, nobody should be buying shark cards at this point because of how bullshit they're making the system but Rockstar hasn't made it impossible yet.
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I honestly waste a shit ton of money on free to play games, dlc whatever. A lot of things people generally call a waste of money and even I know better than to buy shark cards.
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KillerSlaw posted...

Shotgunnova posted...

-200 dollars worth of Shark Cards doesn't even get you 3 vehicles now.

For real? Or do you just mean good vehicles?

It's not entirely true.

The new vehicles all range around the 2,000,000 dollar range. If you complete certain missions you can lower the price around 500k.

But in order to do those missions, you need a Mobile Command Center, which costs around 1,225,000

In order to buy a Mobile Command Center, you need to own a bunker first to store it in, which costs around 1,150,000

Now in order to modify the new vehicles, you need a vehicle modification bay in your mobile command center which costs like 955,000

And in order to unlock modifications to use on the new vehicles, you need to unlock them through "research" which either requires you to wait 3 real time hours in free mode OR pay 225,000 to "fast track" it and unlock it immediately.

Oh, and you can't choose which modifications you want to research. The game chooses which ones are researched randomly. There are 48 in all.

And you have to pay to actually modify the vehicle as well. So say you research twin miniguns and fast track it for 225,000. You then have to pay the price of the modification on top of that.

So 100 dollars in shark cards (I'm assuming 200 is a typo, since the highest they sell for a single card is 100) would get you maybe 4 or 5 of the new vehicles if you did the missions to unlock the reduced price. But then you'd need to pay upwards of of 3.5 million in order to actually modify the vehicles to make them worth a damn.

Then you would either have to wait 144 hours in free mode to unlock the modifications for use (although, not all of those unlocks are vehicle related. many are weapon related as well) and/or pay around 11 million to unlock them.

jesus
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All they care about is whales. As long as they're still gobbling up this shit, it'll keep happening.
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I bought everything I wanted(note: not every single useless thing added) from the newest DLC and didn't spend a cent of real money to get them. And that's accounting for the new cars that are coming out the next couple of weeks.

Guess I just get lucky with my sales and deliveries in my businesses to not need a shortcut.

Vehicle Cargo mission profits are ridiculous once you get into top-range only sourcing, and sprinkle in Cargo Warehousing, alongside CEO/VIP missions.
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Malcrasternus posted...

I bought everything I wanted(note: not every single useless thing added) from the newest DLC and didn't spend a cent of real money to get them. And that's accounting for the new cars that are coming out the next couple of weeks.

Guess I just get lucky with my sales and deliveries in my businesses to not need a shortcut.

So you're honestly saying that the microtransactions in place are not bullshit? Or are you just bragging that you've played the game so much that you didn't have to worry about the price?

Also, define what is useless or not because I'd consider the clothing useless, but not most of the research items.
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100 mil legit here. Update costs were around 40 million for everything (top range mind you). To give you an idea, at the time of my 360 save file transfer I only had that much after 2 years or so. Anyway, I dont regret the time it took to earn that money, nor spending it, but for the average gamer, just to play with the explosive sniper or Rocket bike its absolutely ridiculous.
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Swagnificent119 posted...

So you're honestly saying that the microtransactions in place are not bullshit? Or are you just bragging that you've played the game so much that you didn't have to worry about the price?

I'm saying that not spending our time on the expensive, dumb virtual things allows us to afford the actual useful virtual things, plus some fluff here and there.

People complain that things cost hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars in the game now, happily forgetting that we're also making hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars as well as long as you put in mild effort, and that the "best" things in the game =/= most expensive.

Cars, for example. The best sports car in the game is still free, or at worst, 100k if you're not linked to the Social Club. One of the best super cars in the game is 700k to buy, and easily keeps up with the most expensive cars in a race. Million dollar apartments have the same functionality as 200k apartments, with only the location and layout changing. People are so used to instant gratification, and R* knows this. Hell, most of the shark card descriptions point this out as a subtle jab at people that want to skip the grind and buy all the frivolous shit all at once.
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The problem is we are not talking about sports cars or apartments. That isn't what the new update is about at all.

You literally sound like someone who hasn't played the game since Ill Gotten Gains tbqh
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Poor ppl problems
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Malcrasternus posted...

Swagnificent119 posted...

So you're honestly saying that the microtransactions in place are not bullshit? Or are you just bragging that you've played the game so much that you didn't have to worry about the price?

I'm saying that not spending our time on the expensive, dumb virtual things allows us to afford the actual useful virtual things, plus some fluff here and there.

People complain that things cost hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars in the game now, happily forgetting that we're also making hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars as well as long as you put in mild effort, and that the "best" things in the game =/= most expensive.

Cars, for example. The best sports car in the game is still free, or at worst, 100k if you're not linked to the Social Club. One of the best super cars in the game is 700k to buy, and easily keeps up with the most expensive cars in a race. Million dollar apartments have the same functionality as 200k apartments, with only the location and layout changing. People are so used to instant gratification, and R* knows this. Hell, most of the shark card descriptions point this out as a subtle jab at people that want to skip the grind and buy all the frivolous shit all at once.

Rofl, FOH with this. If you wanted to buy even just the cheapest vehicle in the new DLC and change so much as the paint job, it's about a four million dollar investment MINIMUM for the bunker, mobile operations center, upgrades, and then finally the car itself. That's about 8 hours worth of grinding Pac Standard assuming you can get one run of the heist done in an hour. And that's just for one shitty dune buggy. This isn't about "instant gratification" it's about not treating the game like it's your literal job. And you work for a WoW gold farm in china.
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This last update really pissed me off and a lot of fun is gone from the game now. You either have to have money to blow on shark cards or no life so you can grind missions all day. People defending this shit are out of their minds.

"Well just do this, this, this..."

Some people have jobs and other interests you know. Some people don't have all day to grind missions.
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This may be a stupid question but can't you steal one of the expensive cars from another player? It is GTA. I don't play online. Why spend real world money?
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Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...

This may be a stupid question but can't you steal one of the expensive cars from another player? It is GTA. I don't play online. Why spend real world money?

Other players can lock doors and the dlc cars dont show up in free roam for npcs
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Swagnificent119 posted...

You literally sound like someone who hasn't played the game since Ill Gotten Gains tbqh

I mean, I'm playing right now, trying to jump from the pier onto my yacht with my Oppressor waiting for my bunker product to build, but ok man. Whatever.


It's like people forgot that long grinds in games are a thing. It's okay to not like that style of gameplay, it's certainly not for everyone, but that's where GTA O is right now.

Or just dupe cars and be smart about it. Look up Broontango on YT if you want the easy way to everything.
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...

This may be a stupid question but can't you steal one of the expensive cars from another player? It is GTA. I don't play online. Why spend real world money?

Other players can lock doors and the dlc cars dont show up in free roam for npcs

can you headshot somebody through the windshield and take it?
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Not if its locked. The game wont let you in even if the door is missing.

And if they dont have it locked they can boot you out whenever they want.

And even if they dont do that, you cant actually save any car in your garage if its worth a certain amount.

(over 100k I think)
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Malcrasternus posted...

I mean, I'm playing right now, trying to jump from the pier onto my yacht with my Oppressor waiting for my bunker product to build, but ok man. Whatever.


It's like people forgot that long grinds in games are a thing. It's okay to not like that style of gameplay, it's certainly not for everyone, but that's where GTA O is right now.

Or just dupe cars and be smart about it. Look up Broontango on YT if you want the easy way to everything.

So what is it that you do? Fuck off, grind or cheat?

I really can't tell with how you keep posting about the game.
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it's not even as bad as the typical treadmill MMO...
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the only way GTA Online is playable is if you get a hacker to drop you a ton of cash and just fill garages with X80s to sell on patch day
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dun leik dun bye
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halomonkey1_3_5 posted...

the only way GTA Online is playable is if you get a hacker to drop you a ton of cash and just fill garages with X80s to sell on patch day

Last I heard Rockstar fucked up on the last ban wave and banned a shit ton of people that either didn't deserve it, were banned because they were given modded cash, or were banned because they were doing dupe glitches.

Mileage varies on why the ban happened depending on who you ask, though. I think a lot of them are being reversed though.
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

-Latest update requires you to get past over 50 paywalls before you can actually buy the new content.

Sounds more like bad business practice to me. I don't play the game so I may not being getting the whole story, but why would you block a potential transaction ever regardless? If someone wants to spend money let them do it as only the most hardcore would put up with how it's explained in that quote.
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KillerSlaw posted...

Last I heard Rockstar fucked up on the last ban wave and banned a shit ton of people that either didn't deserve it, were banned because they were given modded cash, or were banned because they were doing dupe glitches.

Mileage varies on why the ban happened depending on who you ask, though. I think a lot of them are being reversed though.

idk man, me and the handful of ppl I play with all got $200m+ in hacked cash and the only thing that happened was that our cash(including legit money) got reset to $0 on patch day(except one guy, who only had like $2mil taken away for some reason)

not sure about more recent stuff though, I logged in after the Gunrunning update, bought everything and played off and on for 2 days and havent touched it since
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You would be very stupid to buy shark cards simply because It is very easy to accumulate money. Shark cards are for the lazy.
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Gojak_v3 posted...

If someone wants to spend money let them do it as only the most hardcore would put up with how it's explained in that quote.

It's funny because even though I thought that microtransactions were kinda bullshit, I'd at least use my work credit card reward points towards a shark card every update just to make it go faster.

But now I won't even do that on principle. They went too far this time IMO.
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halomonkey1_3_5 posted...

the only way GTA Online is playable is if you get a hacker to drop you a ton of cash and just fill garages with X80s to sell on patch day

Lol this

Hackers have given me like 200 million total. I've legit earned at best 20 million on my own and that's probably bring very generous
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This last update has really been too much. I could earn money pretty easily before but now there's assholes with way too much firepower and they make it very difficult to make deliveries or pick up cargo. And I'm not buying a Shark Card, so I'll be waiting for a double cash in missions or something event.

Swagnificent119 posted...

So what is it that you do?

Ignoring the rest of your frustrated, child-like post, I like to:

Play the game with friends, alternating selling and sourcing missions with them, jumping into double cash playlists, take advantage of sales when they roll in, and even doing a heist or two.

You know, for fun.
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I keep hearing about this infamous update, is there a short version on what it changed?
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voldothegr8 posted...

I keep hearing about this infamous update, is there a short version on what it changed?

It was posted earlier but basically it added 3 large paywalls and a f2p timer system in order to buy new weapons, vehicles and modifications.

In top of that the new content is so over powered youre completely screwed without it.
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

It was posted earlier but basically it added 3 large paywalls and a f2p timer system in order to buy new weapons, vehicles and modifications.

Ok what does this mean? What are the 3 large paywalls and what is a f2p timer system?
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KillerSlaw posted...

Shotgunnova posted...

-200 dollars worth of Shark Cards doesn't even get you 3 vehicles now.

For real? Or do you just mean good vehicles?

It's not entirely true.

The new vehicles all range around the 2,000,000 dollar range. If you complete certain missions you can lower the price around 500k.

But in order to do those missions, you need a Mobile Command Center, which costs around 1,225,000

In order to buy a Mobile Command Center, you need to own a bunker first to store it in, which costs around 1,150,000

Now in order to modify the new vehicles, you need a vehicle modification bay in your mobile command center which costs like 955,000

And in order to unlock modifications to use on the new vehicles, you need to unlock them through "research" which either requires you to wait 3 real time hours in free mode OR pay 225,000 to "fast track" it and unlock it immediately.

Oh, and you can't choose which modifications you want to research. The game chooses which ones are researched randomly. There are 48 in all.

And you have to pay to actually modify the vehicle as well. So say you research twin miniguns and fast track it for 225,000. You then have to pay the price of the modification on top of that.

So 100 dollars in shark cards (I'm assuming 200 is a typo, since the highest they sell for a single card is 100) would get you maybe 4 or 5 of the new vehicles if you did the missions to unlock the reduced price. But then you'd need to pay upwards of of 3.5 million in order to actually modify the vehicles to make them worth a damn.

Then you would either have to wait 144 hours in free mode to unlock the modifications for use (although, not all of those unlocks are vehicle related. many are weapon related as well) and/or pay around 11 million to unlock them.

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LiqiudusSnake posted...

100 mil legit here. Update costs were around 40 million for everything (top range mind you). To give you an idea, at the time of my 360 save file transfer I only had that much after 2 years or so. Anyway, I dont regret the time it took to earn that money, nor spending it, but for the average gamer, just to play with the explosive sniper or Rocket bike its absolutely ridiculous.

How long did it take to get to 100m roughly, @LiqiudusSnake? I just got wiped and suspended because I came into 100m through a hacked server, and thought f*** it, I'll have some fun. Oh my god, online is just radical when you have access to EVERYTHING. I didn't grief at all, just had fun helping out newbies doing CEO/MC/Gunrunning work with all the cool gear. The oppressor, explosive sniper, hydra, savage, EVERYTHING is so much fun. It's how GTA Online is meant to be played, and is totally ratshit that it is locked behind a huge paywall.
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KillerSlaw posted...

Shotgunnova posted...

-200 dollars worth of Shark Cards doesn't even get you 3 vehicles now.

For real? Or do you just mean good vehicles?

It's not entirely true.

The new vehicles all range around the 2,000,000 dollar range. If you complete certain missions you can lower the price around 500k.

But in order to do those missions, you need a Mobile Command Center, which costs around 1,225,000

In order to buy a Mobile Command Center, you need to own a bunker first to store it in, which costs around 1,150,000

Now in order to modify the new vehicles, you need a vehicle modification bay in your mobile command center which costs like 955,000

And in order to unlock modifications to use on the new vehicles, you need to unlock them through "research" which either requires you to wait 3 real time hours in free mode OR pay 225,000 to "fast track" it and unlock it immediately.

Oh, and you can't choose which modifications you want to research. The game chooses which ones are researched randomly. There are 48 in all.

And you have to pay to actually modify the vehicle as well. So say you research twin miniguns and fast track it for 225,000. You then have to pay the price of the modification on top of that.

So 100 dollars in shark cards (I'm assuming 200 is a typo, since the highest they sell for a single card is 100) would get you maybe 4 or 5 of the new vehicles if you did the missions to unlock the reduced price. But then you'd need to pay upwards of of 3.5 million in order to actually modify the vehicles to make them worth a damn.

Then you would either have to wait 144 hours in free mode to unlock the modifications for use (although, not all of those unlocks are vehicle related. many are weapon related as well) and/or pay around 11 million to unlock them.

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Solar_Crimson posted...

And people actually defend this under the "well it's all actually free content" idea still.
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My rank 28 friend who bought this game on Tuesday already has a good stock of guns, a mid tier apartment, and is about 100,000 from buying the Adder (it's the million flat car). He started with like, 5 grand. No doubt in my mind he'll have that car by the end of the weekend, and ranking permitting, any upgrades he wants as well.

Literally at two days of playing the game with us.

If you don't have money, it's your own fault.
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buddhamonster posted...

My rank 28 friend who bought this game on Tuesday already has a good stock of guns, a mid tier apartment, and is about 100,000 from buying the Adder (it's the million flat car). He started with like, 5 grand. No doubt in my mind he'll have that car by the end of the weekend, and ranking permitting, any upgrades he wants as well.

Literally at two days of playing the game with us.

If you don't have money, it's your own fault.

The fuck is he doing buying the adder? Awful car really. Much better options out there. Very overpriced for the performance and customization it actually allows
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

And people actually defend this under the "well it's all actually free content" idea still.

Most argeuments from people who defend microtransactions in games people paid upwards of 60 dollars for usuallt boil down to 3 points and they're all stupid

1.They're just optional
2.They're just cosmetic
3.They don't personally bother me so they're OK

It's really amazing the mental gymnastics people will go through to defend multibillion dollar corporations crying poor
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