Current Events > MvCI Producer: "People dont remember the X-Men"

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HylianFox posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

To be fair, Marvel had no choice when they sold off the movie rights back in the 90s; it was either that, or go bankrupt.

Disney however does have a choice to not be a dick and they are deliberately choosing to be a dick.

I feel like if this was a company you liked, you'd be applauding them for being so crafty.

That's specious logic. I love Nintendo but that doesn't mean I approve of every little decision they make, and they make a lot of dumb decisions.

Fair enough, but the point is that they are doing exactly what every business does and it's sort of stupid to expect them to work against their own self interest to help their competition who refuses to sell them back the rights in the first place.

ManSpread posted...

Veggeta_EDGE posted...

Look at this fucking topic. Everyone is all of a sudden is a X-Men fan just to spite Capcom. How far you guys will dig to just Capcom. Fucking pathetic.

Lmao as soon as I get home I'll upload a picture of my comics you fucking trashbag of a poster

Why do people still take TC seriously about Capcom? The dude shits on Capcom day and fucking night on here.
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Zero_Destroyer posted...

Veggeta_EDGE posted...

As they should be since Fox sucks with the movies and won't give the rights back.

"sucks" lol

There's been some duds but it's generally be a financially lucrative and critically well received franchise.

LMAO all of a fucking sudden the X-Men movies are now "good". Keep on digging.
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Veggeta_EDGE posted...

LMAO all of a fucking sudden the X-Men movies are now "good". Keep on digging.

...Yes?

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/xmen

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/x2_xmen_united

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/x_men_first_class

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_wolverine_2012

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/x_men_days_of_future_past

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/deadpool

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/logan_2017

Wolverine is arguable (mixed more than positive) & Apocalypse, Origins, & The Last Stand aren't looked at well, but the franchise is generally well regarded and has been for nearly two decades.
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The producer doesn't have a clue how to respond to a valid question. Does he really think the player base is that dumb?

i love this comment lmfao.

its perfectly logical for capcom to think that when so many vocal fanboys defend all their bullshit
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Also, this is anecdotal, but I never played MvC so I don't really have investment outside of my recent run into fighting games. I'm not buying this because it's clearly a downgrade from UMvC3. The lack of X-Men is definitely a blow for that, though, because I loved the shit out of the first two movies in particular, especially X2. So no, none of this was "sudden", this is Capcom being shitty and getting staged up by ArcSys with Dragon Ball.
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Dash_Harber posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

To be fair, Marvel had no choice when they sold off the movie rights back in the 90s; it was either that, or go bankrupt.

Disney however does have a choice to not be a dick and they are deliberately choosing to be a dick.

I feel like if this was a company you liked, you'd be applauding them for being so crafty.

Nah. Nintendo has done a lot of the same shit as well and I've called them out for it all the time.
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Zero_Destroyer posted...

Veggeta_EDGE posted...

LMAO all of a fucking sudden the X-Men movies are now "good". Keep on digging.

...Yes?

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/xmen

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/x2_xmen_united

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/x_men_first_class

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_wolverine_2012

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/x_men_days_of_future_past

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/deadpool

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/logan_2017

Wolverine is arguable (mixed more than positive) & Apocalypse, Origins, & The Last Stand aren't looked at well, but the franchise is generally well regarded and has been for nearly two decades.

You're right but the recent movies sucks except for Logan. They need to give the series back to the mother.
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Zero_Destroyer posted...

Also, this is anecdotal, but I never played MvC so I don't really have investment outside of my recent run into fighting games. I'm not buying this because it's clearly a downgrade from UMvC3. The lack of X-Men is definitely a blow for that, though, because I loved the shit out of the first two movies in particular, especially X2. So no, none of this was "sudden", this is Capcom being shitty and getting staged up by ArcSys with Dragon Ball.

But this is a shitty excuse. You hate mvci because X-Men isn't in there and yet you've never played the series and basing this on the movies. Holy hell stop it.
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Why are so many X-men in the Marvel Heroes game though? They just added Beast not too long ago.

It's because Gazillion already had permissions lined up to use certain X-Men characters prior to Marvel being bought up by Disney, so they can use those characters no matter what Disney says now. Subsequently, it's the reason why said X-Men characters have not only been slowly trickling in (to avoid burning through all of them too quickly) but why there's been an uptick in making X-Men into Team-Ups (thus extending how mush Gazillion can use any given X-Men character) or why there was a sudden burst of more X-Men costumes and then turning *those* variants into further Team-Ups (there's like, 4 Wolverine Team-Ups alone).

Anyway, what really burns my ass about this "embargo" from Disney is that the X-Men were there from the beginning of the Marvel vs. Capcom crossovers, the first game in the series was "X-Men vs. Street Fighter". They literally got top-billing, but nah man, "nobody remembers the X-Men".

Guess I won't remember to buy this game either. And Danvers can rot in a ditch, bad enough she's become utter trash, but she just adds to the painful reminder that I'm being denied more Rogue.
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Veggeta_EDGE posted...

You're right but the recent movies sucks except for Logan. They need to give the series back to the mother.

No. Deadpool and Logan are much better than any recent MCU film.
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I'm over marvel vs Capcom until they recreate the legendary MvC2 line up

Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

Guess I won't remember to buy this game either.

Bye Felicia
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Don't like it? Don't fucking buy it. It's that simple.
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Blue_Inigo posted...

If you owned Marvel, would you help Fox and Sony, your direct competitors, make more money and advertise for them?

IIRC Disney still makes tons of money off the merchandising rights of all of the movie properties that Fox and Sony own.

So it's actually free money for them if Fox keeps X-Men popular and they continue to pump out X-Men merch.
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Dumbest part about this "no one remembers the x-men" logic is....how many people even know or care about a rather large percentage of the rosters they've been using in many of their latest games? Who TF really cares about Arthur, for example? People don't remember Wolverine? Really?

Also, if people truly don't "remember" them, that essentially would make them a new character for those people, which would appease them by having a new character that they supposedly don't know about while also appeasing people that DO "remember" those characters and want them in.
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Ivynn posted...

Fuck this game

Veggeta_EDGE posted...

Don't like it? Don't fucking buy it. It's that simple.

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Veggeta_EDGE posted...

Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

Guess I won't remember to buy this game either.

Bye Felicia

Uh, I'm pretty sure she isn't part of the roster in this one, so I don't know what you're talking about.
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Twin3Turbo posted...

Also, if people truly don't "remember" them, that essentially would make them a new character for those people, which would appease them by having a new character that they supposedly don't know about while also appeasing people that DO "remember" those characters and want them in.

lol

"whoa check out this great new super hero! he's got these cool claws and a yellow suit! says here his name is wool-ver-een. I hope they make a movie about him!"
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Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

Veggeta_EDGE posted...

Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

Guess I won't remember to buy this game either.

Bye Felicia

Uh, I'm pretty sure she isn't part of the roster in this one, so I don't know what you're talking about.

Sorry dude but you can't out-edge me. Just look at my name.
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ManSpread posted...

GAMER_X posted...

Last i heard it was pretty well known that some high up suit at disney hates x men because sony has the rights still or some crap, so out of pure spite the guy is making sure they get 0 exposure in every way he can.


Disney is an awful cancerous company and always will be. Also see kathleen kennedy ruining star wars currently with her stupid agendas and incompetency

Ike Perlmutter

Yup thats the guy
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Dash_Harber posted...

Fair enough, but the point is that they are doing exactly what every business does and it's sort of stupid to expect them to work against their own self interest to help their competition who refuses to sell them back the rights in the first place.

But it's only the movie rights they don't have. Fox only makes money off of X-Men movies. Comics, games, animation, toys...all that still goes completely to Marvel. So if X-Men was in MvCI, Fox would not be getting a slice of that pie. Marvel is actively denying themselves money all because Disney is buttsore they can't get the movies rights to X-Men back to Marvel.
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Ivynn posted...

So if X-Men was in MvCI, Fox would not be getting a slice of that pie.

Holy fuck you cannot be this fucking dense.
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Ivynn posted...

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Veggeta_EDGE
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Veggeta_EDGE posted...

Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

Veggeta_EDGE posted...

Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

Guess I won't remember to buy this game either.

Bye Felicia

Uh, I'm pretty sure she isn't part of the roster in this one, so I don't know what you're talking about.

Sorry dude but you can't out-edge me. Just look at my name.

It wasn't about being edgy, I thought you were making some sort of reference on account of Felicia being the name of both a Marvel and Capcom character though like I said, neither one is part of the roster (barring day-one DLC anyway because Capcom gonna Crapcom).
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Veggeta_EDGE posted...

Veggeta_EDGE posted...

Don't like it? Don't fucking buy it. It's that simple.

We aren't buying it, and making sure people considering it are aware of how bad it is before they get burned. Why do you care so much lol

Raikuro posted...

Veggeta_EDGE posted...

Veggeta_EDGE posted...

Don't like it? Don't fucking buy it. It's that simple.

We aren't buying it, and making sure people considering it are aware of how bad it is before they get burned. Why do you care so much lol

That's (or variations of it) his dumb response when anyone criticizes anything.
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Guys, I gotta admit, I'm frontin.

I don't have any X-Men comics out of storage or a mousepad of Doctor Doom x Phoenix x Magneto.



I haven't got burned in the past before by Capcom.



I haven't played the demo of MvCI to know it sucks shit and is a huge downgrade.



Hell, I've never played a Marvel game in the past (dont have my 360 anymore or I woulda had a picture of it on there)



Get the fuck out of my topic, Capcuck.
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Ivynn posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Fair enough, but the point is that they are doing exactly what every business does and it's sort of stupid to expect them to work against their own self interest to help their competition who refuses to sell them back the rights in the first place.

But it's only the movie rights they don't have. Fox only makes money off of X-Men movies. Comics, games, animation, toys...all that still goes completely to Marvel. So if X-Men was in MvCI, Fox would not be getting a slice of that pie. Marvel is actively denying themselves money all because Disney is buttsore they can't get the movies rights to X-Men back to Marvel.

That makes perfect sense. I'm not sure you quite grasp how brands work. Brands are based on their highest earning incarnations, and right now, that is film for Marvel. However, the owner of any brand benefits from their brand being even casually mentioned in a popular work. If they can let the brand slip, they can get it back for a reasonable price. I mean, it's not like Fox doesn't benefit from X-Men being included in other Marvel works.

ChromaticAngel posted...

Veggeta_EDGE posted...

You're right but the recent movies sucks except for Logan. They need to give the series back to the mother.

No. Deadpool and Logan are much better than any recent MCU film.

nah
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I love Disney but this stuff pisses me off. What angered me the most is them straight-up rewriting Pietro and Wanda as never having been mutants in the comic AND movie universe because they want to use them. Seriously, go f yourselves.

I didn't know about the no new mutant stuff and intentionally ruining exposure, I wonder if their hatred of X-Men played a part in Wolverine & The X-Men having so many gaps between episodes and getting cancelled... ugh. Anger inducing.
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Veggeta_EDGE posted...

Look at this fucking topic. Everyone is all of a sudden is a X-Men fan just to spite Capcom. How far you guys will dig to just Capcom. Fucking pathetic.

You've never actually played a MvC game have you? Axing the X-men characters from the series is like dropping Street Fighter from the series.
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tainted_emerald posted...

Veggeta_EDGE posted...

Look at this fucking topic. Everyone is all of a sudden is a X-Men fan just to spite Capcom. How far you guys will dig to just Capcom. Fucking pathetic.

You've never actually played a MvC game have you? Axing the X-men characters from the series is like dropping Street Fighter from the series.

Worse. Wolverine has been in every "vs series" game going all the way back to Children of the Atom. It'd be closer to have a street fighter without ryu or chun-li
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s0nicfan posted...

street fighter without chun-li

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ManSpread posted...

s0nicfan posted...

street fighter without chun-li

You realize that they added her in, right?
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s0nicfan posted...

ManSpread posted...

s0nicfan posted...

street fighter without chun-li

You realize that they added her in, right?

yes
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Here's the full quote. I thought it wouldn't be as bad.

There was recently a leak about the characters, and people picked up on the fact that a lot of classic characters aren't there, specifically the X-Men characters like Magneto and Sentinel. How do you guys feel about people being hung up on that?

Peter Rosas: If you were to actually think about it, these characters are just functions. They're just doing things. Magneto, case and point, is a favorite because he has eight-way dash and he's really fast, right? So our more technical players, all they want to do is triangle jump and that kind of stuff. Well guess what, Nova can do the same thing, Captain Marvel can do the same thing. Ultron can do the same thing. Go ahead and try them out.

It's just the function that people are associating with the character, and there's no shortage of that. We made sure that all proper play styles can be represented with our current roster. The design team has been looking at that very closely. We wanted to make sure that if a legacy character doesn't happen to make the roster this time, that play style would still be represented. That somebody who has associated themselves with Magneto wouldn't be lost coming into this title.

Michael Evans: The other thing is, you mentioned returning characters right? If you look at the returning characters and you play with them, you'll notice that they're quite different from their previous iterations. Iron Man, he plays completely different. He has new special moves. Obviously we wanted to keep fan-favorite characters, but since you have the new system they're gonna play differently. In addition to that, new special moves, new hypers, new level threes in some cases, these breathe new life into these characters even if they are returning. So we did definitely make an attempt to do that.

The X-Men stuff, [I] can't talk to. But I do want to talk about the character-selection process because I think it's important. There's three things we're looking at: Gameplay first and foremost of course. The Capcom R&D team and us, we get together and we talk with Marvel about what characters we want to put in. From a character-type perspective, we want our big brawler characters, our characters that can fly, our small characters or whatever. Just from a creative side, gameplay, here's the characters we want. That plays a part.

One of the first things we did was sit down to write the story. When we were thinking about the story we wanted to tell, as fans ourselves on both sides, on the Marvel side there's Mike Jones, an ex-Capcom guy. We're big Marvel fans, so we're sitting down to just like, "What crazy interactions do we want to see? What would happen if Docket, Dante, and Rocket came together? What would happen and who are these pairings that we want to see?" So from a storytelling perspective that also played into the character selection.

Then the third one is obviously the popularity of these characters. X was one we had to get in there. A lot of fans wanted to see X, so we brought him back. Then also we talked with Marvel very closely about their future roadmap, about what's gonna be happening. Your modern Marvel fan, maybe they don't even remember some of the X-Men characters, but they know some of the Guardians characters or Black Panther. You know what I mean? Captain Marvel may seem like a strange pick, but she's fantastic. She fits the gameplay. She fits the story, and they're gonna be really pushing her as a strong female lead all the way up into the movie. We're trying to take everything into account and choose the best characters.

Nope. Complete and utter bullshit.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8Koy021veA
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Veggeta_EDGE posted...

Look at this fucking topic. Everyone is all of a sudden is a X-Men fan just to spite Capcom. How far you guys will dig to just Capcom. Fucking pathetic.

Everyone likes X-men you clown

Seaman_Prime posted...

Veggeta_EDGE posted...

Look at this fucking topic. Everyone is all of a sudden is a X-Men fan just to spite Capcom. How far you guys will dig to just Capcom. Fucking pathetic.

Everyone likes X-men you clown

Yeah, wtf kind of ridiculous statement is that, lmao. X-Men are loved by pretty much everyone who likes cartoons/comics/superheroes.

That's like complaining that people are Spider-Man fans or something, wtf.
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SSJGrimReaper posted...

pls love carol

pls love tony!
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Xelltrix posted...

I love Disney but this stuff pisses me off. What angered me the most is them straight-up rewriting Pietro and Wanda as never having been mutants in the comic AND movie universe because they want to use them. Seriously, go f yourselves.

what?
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Veggeta_EDGE posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Veggeta_EDGE posted...

Look at this fucking topic. Everyone is all of a sudden is a X-Men fan just to spite Capcom. How far you guys will dig to just Capcom. Fucking pathetic.

Sorry you're angry that a lot of people won't get to play their favorite characters that have been a staple for the entire series.

*All of a sudden it's their favorite character.

I've been playing w Wolverine since CotA first came out.

Also with Cyke whenever he's playable.
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Kim Kusanagi posted...

Xelltrix posted...

I love Disney but this stuff pisses me off. What angered me the most is them straight-up rewriting Pietro and Wanda as never having been mutants in the comic AND movie universe because they want to use them. Seriously, go f yourselves.

what?

They rewrote them in the movies as never being mutants, obviously. That I was like, fine, whatever, cool.

But now they're apparently rewriting them in the comics and history as well to never have been humans so that they won't be a part of the X-Men universe anymore.So stupid.
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Xelltrix posted...

Kim Kusanagi posted...

Xelltrix posted...

I love Disney but this stuff pisses me off. What angered me the most is them straight-up rewriting Pietro and Wanda as never having been mutants in the comic AND movie universe because they want to use them. Seriously, go f yourselves.

what?

They rewrote them in the movies as never being mutants, obviously. That I was like, fine, whatever, cool.

But now they're apparently rewriting them in the comics and history as well to never have been humans so that they won't be a part of the X-Men universe anymore.So stupid.

Last comic I read their dad was retconned (again) to no longer being Magneto.
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Ive never been a fan of Dragon Ball Z but those game look really fun.

it seriously blows my mind how much contempt game producers show to their fans.

also amazing how many of said fans stick up for them!
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