Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ Morrigan/Beatrix /Gilgamesh (FF5/12)/ Tifa/Amaterasu v Gilgamesh (BOSS)

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Morrigan, Beatrix, Tifa Lockhart, Amaterasu and Gilgamesh have challenged Gilgamesh to a fight! Location of the fight: The Big Bridge - The bridge leading to Castle Exdeath and site of the first battle with Gilgamesh. It provides little cover aside from the periodic enclosed checkpoints unless you're willing to dive into the raging river underneath. Access to the rest of the world is banned and no enemies are present. Attackers will start on the far end, with defenders starting by the exit leading to Castle Exdeath. Which side will win?

Guidelines

- The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment.
- The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of a pre-selected plan of battle.
- "Broken" refers to a lot of things, including insta-death, auto-effects, a variety of status effects (e.g., Imp, Silence, Stop, *not* Poison), and revival. Unless stated otherwise, nobody has them, though do use your own discretion.
- There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from.

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Morrigan is as seen in Dragon Age: Origins and Inquisition (though she has not drank from the Well of Sorrows), with typical endgame equipment and 3 Lyrium Potions. She has mastered the first three spells of the Lightning, Cold, Shapeshifter, Hexes, Enhancements and Anti-Magic spell trees, and Mind Blast.

Gilgamesh is as he appears in FFV and FFXII, armed with Cloud's Buster Sword, Squall's Revolver, Zidane's Orichalcum, Tidus's Brotherhood, Zantetsuken and Lightning's Blazefire Saber. He can use any of his attacks from any of the fights from the games, including Ultimate Illusion, though cannot use Hurricane, Death Claw, Perfect Defense, any status attacks, or Self-Destruct. Additionally, he has access to all of his Brave/HP attacks from Dissidia, though the actual Brave/HP mechanics do not apply. He will start the battle near the opposing team. His descent will be telegraphed, taking 4 seconds to actually arrive, under the effect of Haste, Protect, and Shell. He will glide in from the east taunting the enemy team as he does so, though they will not actually attack him or any of his faithful sidekicks until he arrives, and will bring his faithful sidekicks with him, if any.

Tifa Lockhart is as seen in Final Fantasy VII, with access to all of her non-broken equipment, all Magic Materia aside from Transform, Exit, and Destruct, all Command Materia aside from Manipulate, and all non-stat boosting Independent Materia. She also has her moves from Kingdom Hearts, and anything seen in the Compilation of FFVII. She will arrive with Gilgamesh, under the effect of Haste, Protect, and Shell.
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Amaterasu is as seen at the end of Okami and Marvel vs. Capcom 3. She has access to her best non-broken equipment from Okami, including 5 bottles of ink, as well as all of her combat abilities in both games except for her broken paintbrush moves (though they occur in real time and Ammy cannot stop time while performing them). Amaterasu can perform her MvC3 specials, but she must build up enough power to use them. She has one Astral Pouch, which will instantly revive her to full health after she dies. She will activate her Veil of Mist ability at the start of battle for 10 seconds. In addition to that, she will have 5 more seconds to use anytime during battle. Veil of Mist slows down time around Amaterasu's entire team to half speed.

Beatrix is as she appears in Final Fantasy 9, equipped with her best non-broken equipment. She has access to all of her Seiken skills, and the only magic she has is Cura, Esuna, and Holy. She has received an order from her highest ranking superior, as follows: "Utilize buffs and cures to whittle away at the very powerful and durable opponent; you will be able to taunt him with Gilgamesh's collection of swords to distract and defeat him by taking advantage of our greater numbers." Everyone on her team will follow her lead regardless of personality or berserker traits. She will crossdress as a man for today's battle.

~VS~

Gilgamesh is as he appears in Final Fantasy 14 during the Battle in the Big Keep trial and Final Fantasy 13-2's Clash on the Big Bridge Coliseum content. He has access to all of his weapons, techniques, abilities and showings seen therein, including, yes, his guns and rocket launchers, except for turning enemies into chickens and all attacks interacting with that. He will be accompanied by Enkidu for this fight. Clash on the Big Bridge will play loudly all over the terrain once he engages in battle.

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It's finally happened! Final Fantasy's most beloved character crosses paths with...himself! Will the future overcome the past? FIGHT!
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@MajinZidane

The floor is yours.
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Everyone has a rough idea of who Gilgamesh is, so I'll skip the introductions here. Let's make this argument simple and quick. First off, map of the area so you can visualize what's going down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKwqMZd6zhw

Remove the random encounters and the boss fight with Scrub Gil (AKA the one who's challenging THE BOSS here, just as a note) from the running time and it's still something like 30 seconds between one end of the bridge and the other. Boko's ability usage was...unfortunate, to say the least. Veil of Mist's initial 10 seconds will be completely gone by the time Beatrix, Amaterasu and Morrigan get to the fight, and Scrub Gil and Tifa will only get to enjoy six of those seconds while forced to tango with He, Gilgamesh. You might think they'd be able to handle themselves...and you'd be wrong. Gilgamesh in Battle In The Big Keep is a challenge for eight players, and in the case of his FF13-2 version, well...he's not a boss. He's not a raidboss. Nonononono, he's the game's superboss, the single hardest enemy to defeat in the game. Turns out when you spend centuries level grinding between appearances you get real strong! The gap between the scrub and the real deal here is just massive. You can see what he can do in these two vids:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylx7pbPSzkQ (This vid is a recommended listen even if you don't want to watch - FF14 music is awwwwwesome)

https://youtu.be/D-zBwfudFo0?t=120

His missiles in the second video pretty much oneshot a buffed up Serah (and he tanks those in his introduction to the arena when Snow chucks one back into his face and he doesn't give a damn), he regains 10% of his health (a cool one million HP!) periodically, he automatically hastes and empowers himself at half health, he has a potent, spammable Limit Break in Divider...that's just one vid.

He's also accompanied by Enkidu, and this is a huge deal because it means Boko's orders turn against him. People WILL follow Beatrix, and he regrettably forgot to tell her that attacking Gil is pointless at first, as Enkidu responds to any damage to his master with really fat heals. She'll figure it out eventually, but this gives Gil time to take someone down and get the death spiral going, which is crucial - the first part of the fight will be basically wasted for the enemy team. As a bonus, Enkidu is a very beefy and disruptive tank himself. He can launch missiles, slow both movement speed and attack speed with Web (solid Haste counter right there), unleash hurricane winds that can knock people off the Big Bridge, establish a sympathetic bond between fighters that will continuously apply Mini to them until they figure out how to get around it when their dispels fail, and more.

It's very unlikely Team Beatrix will get past him unscathed, which is bad news, because once Enkidu dies, Gil will get serious and stop clowning around. He cares a lot about his companion. At that point, all bets are off - he can deploy energy dragons to assist him, catch enemies with special controlling chains to stop them from doing anything until they're broken, tons of spammy lightning orbs, employ oneshotting attacks like Sword's Dance, and more. His bag of tricks is huge, and frankly, this team doesn't have what it takes to stand up to it. Too squishy, misleading orders, and not knowing just how dangerous True Gil can be will be their undoing.

BUT ENOUGH EXPOSITORY BANTER! Now we fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men! For Gilgamesh...IT'S SOLOING TIME!
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that's a little disingenuous mr admin you should be honest about bold abilities

Veil of Mist (Start of Battle) - Once every three weeks, Amaterasu will activate her Veil of Mist ability at the start of battle for 10 seconds. In addition to that, she will have 5 more seconds to use anytime during battle. Veil of Mist slows down time around Amaterasu's entire team to half speed.
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I'm not sure what's disingenious about that argument? The bold says exactly that and my argument is that the distance to cover is so big those initial ten seconds willl elapse before Beatrix, Morrigan and Ammy are through to the end of the bridge where Raidboss Gil is waiting.
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because at a crucial moment, Ammy has full-team mist of veil for a period of time. You're arguing that after the initial use it's donezo for good. that's all
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MajinZidane posted...

because at a crucial moment, Ammy has full-team mist of veil for a period of time. You're arguing that after the initial use it's donezo for good. that's all

...Yes, that is what I'm arguing, thank you for restating my point Boko. Two thirds of Veil of Mist's duration is going to be absolutely wasted. It's not even super relevant here even if it was a cage match because True Gil is so tanky that it'll take multiple minutes to even get him to get serious, but y'know, every little bit of info helps here.
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I vote for Gilgamesh

both of them
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It's very unlikely Team Beatrix will get past him unscathed, which is bad news, because once Enkidu dies, Gil will get serious and stop clowning around. He cares a lot about his companion.

For instance, you mention that Enkidu will die before Gilgamesh gets serious. That might be a perfect time to utilize Mist of Veil for both Tifa and Beatrix to full-heal their team with Cure spell while under the Mist effects.

Mist + Hasted team is plenty of time for them to accomplish that!

His missiles in the second video pretty much oneshot a buffed up Serah (and he tanks those in his introduction to the arena when Snow chucks one back into his face and he doesn't give a damn),

Those missiles are a perfect target for Amaterasu's reflector!


Gilgamesh is great, I love the guy, but against a full team comp with: buffs, healing, tank, mages, solid offensive output and an entire collection of real GIlgamesh swords that will definitely distract the dude over prioritizing defeating his enemy, he's gonna be outmatched. Mist is a short term, but crucial ticket that will allow Ammy's team to catch up to the taunting Gilgamesh/Tifa as they descend at the start of the fight and more importantly allow crucial time hax moments to re-cast buffs of cast healing spells.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

MajinZidane posted...

because at a crucial moment, Ammy has full-team mist of veil for a period of time. You're arguing that after the initial use it's donezo for good. that's all

...Yes, that is what I'm arguing, thank you for restating my point Boko. Two thirds of Veil of Mist's duration is going to be absolutely wasted. It's not even super relevant here even if it was a cage match because True Gil is so tanky that it'll take multiple minutes to even get him to get serious, but y'know, every little bit of info helps here.

lol, ur making it seem like Mist does nothing. First of all, Tifa/Gilgamesh will ASSUREDLY have initial Mist time at the start of the fight due to their ability usage. I'm not sure how Mist seconds interact with Gilgamesh seconds, but even if you count them as a net even, there's still over half of the initial Mist duration that will be in effect. Mist also won't be useless, it's going to allow early buff casting -- which is exactly what Team Buffs wants to do against this opponent. Plus the re-casting and healing later on.

Thank you Mist of Veil for making this EZ
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For instance, you mention that Enkidu will die before Gilgamesh gets serious. That might be a perfect time to utilize Mist of Veil for both Tifa and Beatrix to full-heal their team with Cure spell while under the Mist effects.

That requires:

A) For both Tifa and Beatrix to survive a fight where their faulty information will lead them to focus an enemy they can't kill initially, giving Gil a big head-start in pulverizing his opponents while Enkidu CCs them down and blows em up.

B) For Gil to not notice and just use his chains to control them. That's exactly their usage in his raid fight, to prevent healers from doing jack until they're freed.

C) For the healing to actually be good enough. White Wind heals based on current HP and the only healing spell Beatrix has access to is Cura. Neither are specialized healers, either. You're asking physical fighters to perform the role of backline support, and not only is this pretty out of character but it means leaving Scrub Gil all alone vs True Gil right as he's getting serious. To call that a recipe for disaster would be an understatement - he's going to get murdered for it.

All in all, it's not a good look - really, that's kinda the issue when you think about it, isn't it? The wrong mercs for the job were brought in here. Squishy DPSers with no dedicated healers is a bad, bad time against a force of nature like True Gil.
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anyway, here's why this fight is going to go in Ammys favor:

Gilgamesh: hasted, protected and shelled tank with plenty of chances to distract bossgilg (all dem swordz). Gilgamesh is POWERFUL, but typically won't fight optimally or efficiently. Enter Beatrix:
Beatrix: has cures, will force Gilgamesh to fight optimally instead of fooling around (which bossgilg won't have the ability to do -- and let's be honest, this dude fools around any chance he can get instead of trying). She's a stone cold killer herself, party wiping entire teams in FFIX with sword skills.
Ammy: Mist will help for afformentioned reasons. Can help to negate Gilgamesh's short game with Reflector. Has an astral pouch to revive once and keep on fighting.
Tifa: All buffing and curing magic available in FFVII. Full Cure, Wall (which is Barrier + MBarrier), Reflect, Esuna, Shield, Haste, Slow, and the offensive stuff
Morrigan: Hexes can combo with mages to deal bonus damage, anti-magic can help against Gilgamesh's range offensive options,

Buff + debuff game on point here w/ cures and tank to stompo
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

pretty out of character

have you met my good friend Beatrix
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Don't forget, Tifa has Big Guard

THE BIG GUARD
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It's funny you mention 'buff/debuff game' when Enkidu cuts both healing and damage the enemy team can do by a third and can use Mini to turbonerf two DPSers. There's no real answer to 'Enkidu and Gil use Mini on two of Ammy/Gil/Beatrix, they do absolutely nothing because they don't know they need to hug each other to shake off the effect' (worth noting Esuna doesn't do anything to it and it does work vs other CCs in FF14). Bad info plus nasty tricks means zero chance of survival here.
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...i don't think they're even getting past the first phase of Gilgamesh, he's just gonna shoot them dead. the only one who seems remotely capable of really fighting him is Beatrix. and by that i mean "with a strong party of people better than her," not this.
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THE BIG GUARD: Big Guard*560MagicalInflicts Haste, Barrier, and MBarrier on target party. Cannot be reflected.

Tifa gonna be ez-mode buffin' all day long on this here bridge
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MajinZidane posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

pretty out of character

have you met my good friend Beatrix

Yes, and Beatrix playing healbot instead of frontlining like a proper leader of men would is hellaciously out of character for her (not to mention ineffective). Slapping down a Cura or two is one thing, abandoning her sword to spamcast heals is another...plus it's a wholly ineffective thing. I'm actually arguing in favor of Beatrix doing something useful here but hey, you wanna insist she'll focus on casting mid-tier heal spells nerfed to two thirds of their usual effectiveness instead of fighting, be my guest!
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Enkidu and Gil use Mini on two of Ammy/Gil/Beatrix

THE BIG ESUNA
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...oh god i didn't even notice that he had the FF14 dragon thing with him too. this really isn't close. either the FF13 or FF14 stuff dominates the fight with ease, adding both in some weird mercs creation isn't really fair.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

MajinZidane posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

pretty out of character

have you met my good friend Beatrix

Yes, and Beatrix playing healbot instead of frontlining like a proper leader of men would is hellaciously out of character for her (not to mention ineffective). Slapping down a Cura or two is one thing, abandoning her sword to spamcast heals is another...plus it's a wholly ineffective thing. I'm actually arguing in favor of Beatrix doing something useful here but hey, you wanna insist she'll focus on casting mid-tier heal spells nerfed to two thirds of their usual effectiveness instead of fighting, be my guest!

yeah I'm thinking the Tifa with all of the spells in the world will be the most likely one focusing on casting not-mid-tier heal/buffs spells and Beatrix only will when needed, you are a gracious host indeed.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

It's funny you mention 'buff/debuff game' when Enkidu cuts both healing and damage the enemy team can do by a third and can use Mini to turbonerf two DPSers. There's no real answer to 'Enkidu and Gil use Mini on two of Ammy/Gil/Beatrix, they do absolutely nothing because they don't know they need to hug each other to shake off the effect' (worth noting Esuna doesn't do anything to it and it does work vs other CCs in FF14). Bad info plus nasty tricks means zero chance of survival here.

but IF mini is so good on Ammy/Gil/Beatrix, maybe Tifa should cast it on boss Gilgamesh herself!

Transform Materia allows a character to cast Mini (which causes the “Small” status effect) and Toad (which causes the “Frog” status effect). These two status effects will rarely work during boss battles so Transform Materia has limited applications.

or maybe BOSS FROG. Ribbit.

fun fact: if Esuna for some reason doesn't work on the Mini status, no worries because casting Mini on small people heals them of that mini status all day every day in FFVII
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THE BIG ESUNA

As noted, Esuna doesn't cleanse Mini in FF14. The only way to cleanse it is for the two Mini'd fighters to get real close to each other (seriously hugging range). So that's not going to work - really really potent combat disabling against five fighters.

yeah I'm thinking the Tifa with all of the spells in the world will be the most likely one focusing on casting not-mid-tier heal/buffs spells and Beatrix only will when needed, you are a gracious host indeed.

May as well take this opportunity to drop some FACT BOMBS about why this is a terrible idea.

http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/1169/t1664507-final-fantasy-vii-character-statistics-thread-please-take-look/

As you can see in the initial post of that link, Tifa is bottom 3 as far as casters in FF7 go. Also lower half MP. Putting her in the heavy support role is a waste of her true talents (top 3 strength), and also something she's not well equipped to pull off - doubly so because FF7 spells have limited amounts of multicast uses and have lessened effects on multicast (White Wind being a notable exception, but it requires her to be healthy in the first place...). If this was Vincent Valentine we were talking about you'd maybe have a point, but this really isn't Tifa's game - asking her to keep up with Gil's DPS is just too much for the poor girl.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

As noted, Esuna doesn't cleanse Mini in FF14. The only way to cleanse it is for the two Mini'd fighters to get real close to each other (seriously hugging range). So that's not going to work - really really potent combat disabling against five fighters.

I mean, if we're going to get serious about cross-game Esunas, that's cool, Tifa will just cure mini the old fashioned way. Two minis make a big boy.

What does boss gilgamesh do when Tifa sees him mini and decides to mini him back to make him nice and small
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or maybe BOSS FROG. Ribbit.

fun fact: if Esuna for some reason doesn't work on the Mini status, no worries because casting Mini on small people heals them of that mini status all day every day in FFVII

Funny you chose to quote that precisely. It even says bosses are resistant to Mini so it doesn't often work (never mind that Mini is banned by general clauses). So we have...lesse...Tifa trying to heal status effects, healing, applying buffs, trying to debuff...am I missing something else? Because that's a hell of a lot of work for one person. Usually, you have two or three dedicated healers on deck for an instance like Gil's, for good reason.
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Aren't Mini and Frog under the "broken" clause?

True Gil still seems like a nightmare but let's be real
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Wanglicious posted...

...oh god i didn't even notice that he had the FF14 dragon thing with him too. this really isn't close. either the FF13 or FF14 stuff dominates the fight with ease, adding both in some weird mercs creation isn't really fair.

In all fairness to Team Boko, I would argue Scrub Gil is at least a good enough tank that he could totally fill that role against True Gil, and Morrigan with a healer tree replacing Antimagic would actually be a solid jack of all trades to round out the party. Tifa and Amaterasu are sooooooo outgunned here though, it's not even funny. One's getting forced out of her depth by Beatrix's 'marvelous' strats as per Boko, and the other one...what is she even going to do against Gil and Enkidu?
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and can we please not forget this is GILGAMESH we're talking about!!

Cloud's Buster Sword, Squall's Revolver, Zidane's Orichalcum, Tidus's Brotherhood, Odin's Zantetsuken and Lightning's Blazefire Saber

You're telling me that boss gilgamesh is going to be able to effectively fight all five of these dudes while having his focus almost entirely be on all six of those beautiful swords?

The fight starts. Enter Boss Gilgamesh. What's the first thing he sees? Gilgamesh, holding all of the above swords, TAUNTING him and gliding magnificently in the air from the east. Boss Gilgamesh is going to be relentless of his pursuit of one thing: adding those weapons to his collection, not effectively strategizing the most effect use of his offensive arsenal and debuffs to win this fight.
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trdl23 posted...

Aren't Mini and Frog under the "broken" clause?

True Gil still seems like a nightmare but let's be real

well yeah, but if Boss Gil can use it...
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trdl23 posted...

Aren't Mini and Frog under the "broken" clause?

True Gil still seems like a nightmare but let's be real

True Gil does have access to all of his attacks except Chickening (because that one was so outrageously unintuitive on how it functions that it would've wiped the team no matter what), since this Mini is curable even if you don't have someone who packs Esuna. If you want to set it aside though, you have...

-30% damage and healing reduction.
-Web, movement slow + attack speed slow.
-Iron Chain in the second phase.
-Eerie Soundwave from FF13-2, which can mute, prevent physical attacks via Pain, or increase status effect susceptibility (meaning the more it's cast the more of an effect it has).
-Bashosen, which cleanses buffs and Slows.
-Muramasa, which Drains the health damage it deals.

So yeah, plenty of tools at his disposal even if you don't want to give him Mini. That boy gonna do WORK.
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scrub gil is getting killed by rockets and bullets. i'm assuming that he's going to lead with his guns ala FF13-2 and then will get into some weird hybrid monster between FF13-2 and FF14 when he switches over to swords. Endiku meanwhile will just exist always, so plenty of heals.

they don't get through phase 1. half the party is quickly shot up and killed, leaving Beatrix and scrub Gil to just... die.
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so real talk, can Boss Gilgamesh even use mini here? Like, I only mentioned Tifa having it because apparently Boss Gil can use it even tho it's not mentioned in the write-up? and if Boss Gil CAN use it, and for some reason Tifa can't, can she at least use it to remove the effects of mini on her own team?
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Maybe we should stop making low-tiers fight raid bosses
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You're telling me that boss gilgamesh is going to be able to effectively fight all five of these dudes while having his focus almost entirely be on all six of those beautiful swords?

Yes. FF13-2 Gil finally found Excalibur. He's achieved his sword collecting dream already. Mo' sword is nice but it's not going to distract him all that much - why do you even think he uses guns there? By the point in his personal timeline where FF13-2 occurs, his sword fetish has diminished to the point he has axes and spears at the ready.
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Wanglicious posted...

scrub gil is getting killed by rockets and bullets. i'm assuming that he's going to lead with his guns ala FF13-2 and then will get into some weird hybrid monster between FF13-2 and FF14 when he switches over to swords. Endiku meanwhile will just exist always, so plenty of heals.

they don't get through phase 1. half the party is quickly shot up and killed, leaving Beatrix and scrub Gil to just... die.

scrub gil is tanky af and is under protect/haste and barrier/big guard is gonna be healed, so he's actually not going to get killed.

Plus, why would Boss Gil lead with rockets and bullets on GILGAMESH and risk damaging those swords??????
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

FF13-2 Gil finally found Excalibur. He's achieved his sword collecting dream already.

I don't think the great gilgamesh can be satisfied so easily
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trdl23 posted...

Maybe we should stop making low-tiers fight raid bosses

Tbf this isn't a super plot hyped raid boss. Gil is...well, it's Gil. Always a very strong combatant, but we're not talking about Bahamut Prime or anything. The circumstances in which the FF14 fight he's pulling attacks from takes place is that he's helping with chores and accidentally summons Enkidu, so he decides to have some fun with his good friend at his side once again. A better set of more specialized 3s (say uh, Vanille or Y'shtola to heal, Travis Touchdown or Artorias + Sif to deeps, Magus or Rin Tohsaka to nuke) I think could absolutely take him. Not this bunch though, they're out of their depth for the most part.
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trdl23 posted...

Maybe we should stop making low-tiers fight raid bosses

ya think?

Anyway I think that Beatrix's choice to wear pants here might be the difference maker.
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y'all better throw some more 'SPEC' on Ammy
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MajinZidane posted...

Plus, why would Boss Gil lead with rockets and bullets on GILGAMESH and risk damaging those swords??????

because he has them and better ones anyway.
he leads with guns in FF13-2. seriously just watch the two kan vids, they basically sum up why you're screwed.

KanzarisKelshen posted...

A better set of more specialized 3s (say uh, Vanille or Y'shtola to heal, Travis Touchdown or Artorias + Sif to deeps, Magus or Rin Tohsaka to nuke) I think could absolutely take him.

they lose to solo FF14 Gil too: healers too squishy, melee is competent but not good enough, mages can hurt him but will get wrecked along the way too. gotta go higher than that.

but that's just to FF14 and solo. not with support, like he is here. and not with FF13-2 which is the better version and once you add that aspect dominates the fight anyway.
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trdl23 posted...

Maybe we should stop making low-tiers fight raid bosses

i never take "events" seriously because they always suck

but yes, you should
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generally speaking, MMO bosses suck in the first place. they're never easy to properly quantify or value because their everything is gameplay and it becomes impossible to really discuss it in matching terms. at best they're useful for a couple skills but that's really about it.

i mean the good part here is that there's FF13-2 as a fallback, which works better, looks better, and defines him better. FF13-2 with the skills of FF14 is a decent mercs-created monster that can be relatively understood well.
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wang why do yu think ff5/12 gilg isn't tanky
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if i didn't think he was then i wouldn't have him and beatrix as the only ones to survive the initial volley or two.
neither of them is going to survive much longer beyond that is all.
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I take offense to FF5 Gil not being referred to as the True Gil.
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KJH posted...

I take offense to FF5 Gil not being referred to as the True Gil.

Both are the true Gil (since both are the same guy in different points of his timeline, unlike the super shitty FF15 Gilgamesh), I'm just using that moniker for the super strong one because it's kinda like the difference between Akuma and Shin Akuma - except way bigger.
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party

Boss Gilgamesh

Events are cool!
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Need one juicy tiebreaker vote!!
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