Board 8 > ~CHESS!~ Alucard vs. Oerba Dia Vanille!

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Alucard has challenged Vanille to a chess match! Location of the fight: Chess Hall - a neutral, nondescript chess hall, equipped with immortal referees and spectators as well as all the needed equipment for an officially sanctioned game of chess. Which side will win?

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- The match will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment.
-This is not a fight, but a chess match under official FIDE rules.
- "Broken" refers to a lot of things, including insta-death, auto-effects, a variety of status effects (e.g., Imp, Silence, Stop, *not* Poison), and revival. Unless stated otherwise, nobody has them, though do use your own discretion.
- There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from.


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Alucard is as he appears through the second castle of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night. He is equipped with the Cross, has access to his best non-broken equipment and relics up to that point, and does not have the Shield Rod or his intro equipment. He has the Mist relic, but no Mist time extension or poison. The only familiar he has with him is the Bat, which summons more bats to help Alucard when he transforms. He plays as black.

~VS~

Vanille is as seen in the postgame of Final Fantasy XIII, equipped with Nirvana-Belladonna Wand, Tetradic Crown, Ribbon, Magus's Bracelet, and Magistral Crest, all at max level. She has fully mastered the Ravager, Medic, and Saboteur sections of the Crystarium, and may freely switch between the roles. She may not cast Raise, Death, nor use any Techniques. She plays as white.

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She's not all smiles and sunshine, you know? She's a certified FIDE Grandmaster too! FIGHT!
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@JeezyMiyagi
@Chaeix
@ScareChan

The floor is yours.
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Jeezy's argument:

When you google chess tips, the first thing to pop up is this list:

1. Look at your opponent's move.
2. Make the best possible move.
3. Have a plan.
4. Know what the pieces are worth.
5. Develop quickly and well.
6. Control the center.
7. Keep your king safe.
8. Know when to trade pieces.
9. Think about the endgame.
10. Always be alert.

Take special note of #3, because that is where Alucard is going to demolish Vanille. Nobody is going to outplan the Plan Man. Alucard is a deeply devious and cunning man/vampire. He has infiltrated the Japanese FBI (or CIA or MIB or whatever) as Genya Arikado. In the Dawn of Sorrow good ending, it's Alucard who sees through Celia's ruse and informs Soma that the dead Mina is actually a dead doppelganger. You can't wake up early enough to put one past Alucard, whatever simplistic plan Vanille devises will be immediately deduced by him and countered by The One True Plan.
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Alucard is really old and is the son of an aristocrat, so he probably has a lot of experience playing chess. Vanille is playing white, which has an advantage.

Alucard
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Chess requires strategy and good instincts and able to react, Vanille is cunning enough to have killed a bear on her own even though she is basically a child. She also had the forefight to hide a big secret from the rest of the party for the greater good. Thinking ahead, good instincts and intuition, very key attributes to have for chess

bear killing sauce : http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Oerba_Dia_Vanille
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And yes going as white Vanille does have the built in advantage
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During life, he lived in Eastern Europe in the 15th century around the same time chess was being made into its current form in Spain. There wouldn't be formalized rules for the game until the 19th century . He may very well have played a game that was similar to chess but as any chess player can tell you skill at chess does not make one a solid Go player.

Given that i don't see either havung any particular chess skill.

Vanille via White advantage
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It's worth remembering Alucard was basically asleep until like the beginning of the 19th century, so he skipped Chess for a while probably - maybe he learned after SotN, but probably not before?
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Yeah thats what I am saying. He would have had to learn it during his childhood in the 15th century which i sort of doubt he did since he wasnt a spanish noble

T
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killing a bear is not really the best intelligence feat

overall I give Alucard a lot more credit for smarts than Vanille

Alucard
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Vanille I cannot fathom the restraint Alucard would have to have to not murder her whilst she yaps non stop, so I think she distracts him until he makes a mistake or he flips the board and kills her in frustration.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

as well as all the needed equipment for an officially sanctioned game of chess.

Eddv posted...

There wouldn't be formalized rules for the game

The place write-up by official FIDE, The World Chess Organization allows for people to request certain items prior to a match by 10.2e in their Standards of Chess Equipment and tournament venue. Through this Alucard could more than easily request a rulebook if there is not one already supplied.

I remember someone saying something about a chessboard in Oerba. Is there actually one there?
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Vanille if true, but I'm going to sleep.
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FFDragon posted...

Vanille if true, but I'm going to sleep.

chess board oerba had this topic as the first google result
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Alany posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

as well as all the needed equipment for an officially sanctioned game of chess.

Eddv posted...

There wouldn't be formalized rules for the game

The place write-up by official FIDE, The World Chess Organization allows for people to request certain items prior to a match by 10.2e in their Standards of Chess Equipment and tournament venue. Through this Alucard could more than easily request a rulebook if there is not one already supplied.

I am saying he does not have chess playing experience (unless you subscribe to mercs canon then he has at least played once).

Not that hes incapable - just that he and vanille are on even footing.
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Eddv, you were the one who said there was Chess in Oerba. Is this true?
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I'm unsure that chess didn't exist when Alucard was a child in the Castlevania world. We know ninja french maids and trench coats didn't exist in the 1400s, but they still exist in Castlevania. Still, you've persuaded me that I might be wrong.

Change to neutral for now
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alucard

Yeah, I'm gonna have to go Alucard unless Eddv can show me proof of chess in Oerba. If neither of them has played chess, I favor the smarter one.
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Alucard

Don't see Vanille having the patience for good chess fundamentals
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Mewtwo59 posted...

Eddv, you were the one who said there was Chess in Oerba. Is this true?

I know its true but its also like a stupid easter egg so i also dont want to go digging for it.

I dont think Vanille is necessarily the board gaming type anyway.
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Drakeryn posted...

killing a bear is not really the best intelligence feat

overall I give Alucard a lot more credit for smarts than Vanille

Alucard

You dont feel a child killing a bear would be resourceful?
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Alucard if this isn't over yet
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Eddv posted...

During life, he lived in Eastern Europe in the 15th century around the same time chess was being made into its current form in Spain. There wouldn't be formalized rules for the game until the 19th century . He may very well have played a game that was similar to chess but as any chess player can tell you skill at chess does not make one a solid Go player.

More misleading slander from a self-admitted member (leader????) of the Anti-Plan Cabal. According to the history of chess wiki: "The popularity of chess in the Western courtly society peaked between the 12th and the 15th centuries." Alucard was awake towards the end of the 15th century so it is likely he was familiar with the game of chess and that this game of chess was much much more similar to modern chess than it was to Go. In fact a large amount of the rules of chess did not change since it was invented in India in the 6th century, how the king/knight/rook move, and most importantly the objective of the game. (And other changes like pawn movement came in the middle ages and modern bishop movement was present in Spanish court in the 13th century.) Regardless of whether or not he knows every single modern rule like en passant and castling, he still likely has some knowledge of chess which gives him an edge over someone with no knowledge. In fact knowing that his objective is to put his opponents King in checkmate gives him a tremendous advantage.

Although I guess the topic is probably over by now so whatevs
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ScareChan posted...

You dont feel a child killing a bear would be resourceful?

well, I guess it depends on how she killed the bear

if she just wrestled it into submission, then no

if she used her keen knowledge of the forest to build an ingenious trap of sharpened stakes and lure the bear there, that's pretty resourceful, though arguably not the kind of resourceful that translates into chess skill

if she befriended the bear and they had dinner together and it fell asleep in her lap while she sang sweet lullabies, and then it turns out she drugged the meal, and she skinned the bear while it slept and wore its pelt as a trophy, then that's pretty crafty. seems more like interpersonal skills than chess-type logic, but I could see some overlap

but yeah "killed a bear" without elaboration is a strength/combat feat. if you want it to apply to chess you've gotta do some more explaining.
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Alucard
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Also I find it dubious to give Vanille the "White Advantage", the white advantage comes from the white player getting to go first and be more in control of how the center develops. That is effectively neutralized by Vanille coming from a reality without chess and being a complete newcomer and likely unaware of even the end goal of chess.

The Wiki on the "White Advantage" even points out that the white advantage dissipates in games between novices.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-move_advantage_in_chess

Alucard at least has the advantage of coming from a world with chess and a social stratum that engages in it.
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