Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ Raziel and Chrom vs. Geralt, Yuffie and Sephiroth

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Raziel and Chrom have challenged Geralt, Yuffie and Sephiroth to a fight! Location of the fight: Kaer Morhen - The old keep of the Wolf School, as seen in The Witcher 3. Access to the rest of the Witcher world outside of the keep is not allowed. Attackers will start by the entryway from the Witcher's Trail entryway, while defenders will start on the top floor of the highest tower. Which side will win?

Guidelines

- The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment.
- The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of a pre-selected plan of battle.
- "Broken" refers to a lot of things, including insta-death, auto-effects, a variety of status effects (e.g., Imp, Silence, Stop, *not* Poison), and revival. Unless stated otherwise, nobody has them, though do use your own discretion.
- There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from.

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- If you want to switch your votes simply bold the change; there's no need to delete your post, though you may if you wish.
- This match will end in 24 hours.
- The following conventions are in use for match topics: www.gamefaqs.com/boards/570224-mercs/75290480/878106427

Raziel is as he appears in Legacy of Kain: Defiance, with all of his upgrades, equipment, and abilities from that game, with the exception of Phase Shifting and Possession. Once per match if he dies, he will immediately reanimate to full health at his starting location. He will have a 50% bonus to all parameters until Chrom is eliminated in battle.

Chrom is as seen in Fire Emblem Awakening, as a level 20 Great Lord. He is equipped with the Exalted Falchion, Noble Rapier, Blessed Lance, and Gradivus and has the skills Dual Strike+, Dual Guard+, Aether, Aegis, and Rightful King.

~VS~

Geralt is as he appears in The Witcher 3, with fully upgraded Feline Witcher gear and equipment along with maxed out Combat, Alchemy, and Signs skill trees (except for Axii). Additionally, he has studied Chrom and has knowledge of his fighting style, abilities, equipment, and weaknesses, with plenty of oils applied to his weapons that would make them extra effective against his target. He rides Roach into battle.

Yuffie Kisaragi is as she appears in Hyperdimension Neptunia Re;Birth1, at max level and with her best non-broken skills and equipment. She may activate her HDD form at any time, and whilst she cannot use Linked attacks, EX Finishers and EXE Drive skills can be used once the EXE Drive Gauge has been built up. She has a loadout of Samus Aran's equipment from Metroid Prime 3, giving her Nova Beam, Corruption Mode, Upgraded Grapple, X-Ray Visor, and Command Visor w/Gunship. She will start hidden in a position neutral to both teams.

Sephiroth is as seen in Final Fantasy 7, Crisis Core, Dissidia, Advent Children Complete, and Kingdom Hearts 1&2, with access to all spells, materia, and abilities displayed within. This includes spells/abilities from Safer/Bizzaro Sephiroth, though he may not transform into either of those forms. He may not cast Heartless Angel, FFVII's Supernova, Pale Horse, Stop, or Break.

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In these ruins, doom will befall one of these teams. Who will rise and who will fall in this battle? FIGHT!
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@ScareChan
@JeezyMiyagi
@Chaeix

The floor is yours.
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Jeezy/JC's argument:

Geralt has basically one job to do here and then anything else he adds to the battle is gravy. He has used his pre-battle on Chrom giving him full knowledge of Chrom's schtick including his abilities. So Geralt will be aware of Support Unit and that it can offer a 50% parameter boost but that it also only lasts as long as Chrom is alive. Geralt will be starting next to Sephiroth so he can pass that information on to Sephiroth to use as he likes along with the other pertinent info on Chrom (he's a chump, his wife is ugly, etc.)

So Sephiroth will know how to bust the Raziel boost but he may not even need to because Nep-Yuffie-Samus has brought a cool toy with her, the Gunship from Metroid Prime 3. A bombing run from the Gunship will probably blow Chrom to smithereens. Even if Chrom tries to be cowardly and hide, there's no real interior area for him to hide away in where he starts and he'll need to get to the keep where Seph and Geralt are. Unfortunately Nep-Yuffie-Samus will in the way in her neutral position, and given that she has pre-battle planned with Geralt, she knows which way the enemy will be coming from. She also has boosted durability from her Neptune form and a powerful Nova Beam from Samus to blast fools with.

With the Gunship flying around and Seph knowing what he looks like, Chrom won't be long for this world. With him goes the parameter boost for Raziel and from there Nep-Yuffie-Samus and Sephiroth can easily duo Raziel for both lives. Sephiroth still has his slow debuff to keep Raziel in line plus he has Curaga to heal him and NYS up. Raziel can glide around but with his wings in tatters he can't protect Chrom from either the Gunship or a flying teleporting Sephiroth. (Also Geralt may be able to get some crossbow bolts or bombs in on Raziel, while staying a respectful distance away and protected by Quen.)
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Yuffie as she appears in Hyperdimension Neptunia with a set of Samus's Weapons

GREAT NINJA.
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Admin note: Geralt's research doesn't necessarily grant him knowledge of 'mercs' abilities, as opposed to combat abilities a merc can display. That's interp. I personally do not buy that and think it's metagaming, your mileage may vary.
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Further admin note: Yuffie is effectively Neptune from Hyperdimension Neptunia, per that writeup. It's not FF7 Yuffie. Mercs!
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Additionally, he has studied Chrom and has knowledge of his fighting style, abilities, equipment, and weaknesses, with plenty of oils applied to his weapons that would make them extra effective against his target. He rides Roach into battle.


I buy it.
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And regardless. Knowing chroms weakness makes him likely the first target regardless.
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does anyone have hdd form rikku fanart
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It's FF7 Yuffie in my mind

She's just tapped into her kawaii moeblob animu powers
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@Drakeryn
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50% buff Raizel that has 2 lives is pretty fucking strong
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Lopen posted...

It's FF7 Yuffie in my mind

She's just tapped into her kawaii moeblob animu powers

sounds about right to me
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raziel

Corrik posted...

Additionally, he has studied Chrom and has knowledge of his fighting style, abilities, equipment, and weaknesses, with plenty of oils applied to his weapons that would make them extra effective against his target. He rides Roach into battle.


I buy it.

You can buy it - but I just felt compelled to clarify that is NOT a 'this merc knows this other merc used abilities outside battle to give themselves an edge' granter by default. That would maybe be done by knowing the enemy team's battleplan, IMO. It depends on how much leeway you want to give Geralt's research.
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All you need to win is to posts scares quotes pumping up his metroid powers in previous matches. Cuz according to scare himself, his team can't win against it. Lol.
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Team Sephiroth
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Raziel

With everyone on the lookout for Chrom, Raziel has the opportunity to truly wreck havoc. I feel like the two considering the gunship in the air would take cover inside the castle as soon as possible. With the super huge castle on the mountain structure I don't feel the gunship would be of much use unless they begin to raze the entire fort to the ground.

With Yuffie in the air, that leaves Sephiroth and Geralt. I personally take +50% Raziel above Sephiroth, especially considering the potential advantage of in-doors combat with a sword Sephiroth's size and Raziel's invisibility.

If this were an open terrain and engagement, I'd easily take Yuffie/Seph, but in this case neither particularly have the abilities to win here. Eventually the gunship will run out of fuel or Yuftune will land. In either case, Raziel wins.

...y'know, teleporting ninja with nova beam is pretty nice.
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Scare

by the way Im tied up for at least another hour, I will try to give a proper argument after
that

For anyone who's waiting on an argument from Scare before voting.
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Wanglicious posted...

...y'know, teleporting ninja with nova beam is pretty nice.

Can Neptune teleport? Cause if not then no teleports here. Yuffie has Neptune's moves, not her own.
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oh. yuffie doesn't have her own stuff at all?
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Wanglicious posted...

oh. yuffie doesn't have her own stuff at all?

Yuffie is Neptune. It's weird Mercs magic.

Yuffie form switched into a Neptunia character cause mercs

Now personally I'm taking a bit of a liberal approach with what that actually means, cause I'm not having Yuffie without a giant throwing star and I'm not letting you tell me otherwise
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well i get that it's mercs magic but how explicit is the wording here?
the main question that leads to is materia. teleporting, probably not. that's a KH thing. like what body is this, yuffie's body or neptune's? if it's yuffie's body, then she should still have the FF7 materia as that's on her equipment. if it's neptune's body, shouldn't have that anymore.
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Sell-out (Peacetime) Each week, you may decide that maybe Sega isn't really your bag, and you'd rather shack up with one of Neptune's rivals for planetary glory instead. You may swap her out for one of Blanc, Noire or Vert and gain the respective passive, which will replace her current console alignment passive until she chooses again.

she's been "swapped out" for a Neptunia character
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ah. so it's basically a character select screen.
so much for that!
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yeah, pretty much (which is too bad, I like the idea of Yuffie getting in touch with her moe side and also gaining HDD powerz)
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For the record I would have made Sell-out make it "Neptune is as she appears in FFVII, KH, etc etc" if I was resolving the ability, I think. Not that that's less confusing but I feel like that's a better analogue to what the ability is doing.
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honestly i don't even get why it's written like that. makes more sense to just have neptune outright replace yuffie because that's what she did. her experience is as neptune, not yuffie. yuffie doesn't even matter for combat purposes so having her mentioned at all is just confusing.
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Well just taking it in a mechanics sense

Yuffie is copying an ability that changes the name in the write-up, but not the combat write-up

So really, Yuffie should be Neptune, but have the same combat write-up Yuffie normally would-- basically you'd have Neptune as she appears in FFVII with some materia, KH moves, etc etc

As it is, Yuffie's name has to mean something for it to have any purpose at all, so I think it makes more sense to have Yuffie with the abilities of a Hyperdimension character, based on what this write-up is.

So as I said Yuffie tapping into her inner kawaii moeblob animu powers makes the most sense given how it's written. What exactly that means is ??? and frankly in this matchup probably kinda irrelevant as I see the Samus guns doing the heavy lifting anyway but you know.
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actually, I am kind of confused about the mechanics here.

I thought Yuffie stole Sell-Out, which would transform her into one of Blanc/Noire/Vert (in which case Yuffie should not be mentioned in the writeup at all, it should just be whichever of Blanc/Noire/Vert was picked). But instead, she's Neptune. How exactly did that happen?
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Well if you choose Seeegggaaa, which implicitly is in the pool, you become Neptune which I believe is what was picked. Not that it matters-- the way the ability was copied all of the Neptunias are equivalent.
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Knowing that they are outnumbered here and that Chrom has a bit of a supportive role, Chrom is not going to be running to the front lines, he will be hanging back a bit to take a more tactical approach. So he should give Raizel a good amount of time with his boosted parameters. He has self regeneration so he is going to be pretty tanky, and the boost should make the regen quicker as well. And if he does fall in battle he gets a second life. Thats a lot for the other team to get through even with an extra man up.

The other thing is that, say they get him down once, he is a very intelligent being. By getting killed he will be more wiser and itw ill be that much tougher to defeat him a second time because he will have knowledge of what he needs to be aware of. Also I dont believe the other team knows that he revives, so it should also catch them off guard
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and abilities to me should mean in battle abilities, not mercs abilities, They should not know that chrom gives the boost, thats too meta
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Lopen posted...

Well if you choose Seeegggaaa, which implicitly is in the pool, you become Neptune which I believe is what was picked. Not that it matters-- the way the ability was copied all of the Neptunias are equivalent.

hmm

tbh I'd probably interpret that as "she changes back to her base form" rather than "she changes into Neptune specifically"

kinda too late for that, though
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ScareChan posted...

Knowing that they are outnumbered here and that Chrom has a bit of a supportive role, Chrom is not going to be running to the front lines, he will be hanging back a bit to take a more tactical approach.

This is the logical approach, yeah. Chrom sucks compared to Raziel. Chrom knows he sucks compared to Raziel. So the most useful thing he can do in this fight is hide in a bolthole while boosted Raziel does all the fighting.

My hangup though - is this consistent with Chrom's personality? Most RPG mains wouldn't abandon their partner even if it was legitimately the most logical course of action. But I don't know about Chrom specifically.
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so is this yuffie at all or not
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not

I think
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Chrom's willing to follow a strategy of an ally, especially if he knows Raziel will revive. Might be a bit more aggressive on Raziel's second life, but he's still fairly pragmatic (to the point of being a warmongerer in the alt timeline if not for Lucina's influence).
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I think Chrom would be willing to abandon his partner if Raziel said this was a good plan. Especially for the first life. Chrom has gone along with plans like this hatched by The Avatar/Robin a few times.
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Drakeryn posted...

ScareChan posted...

Knowing that they are outnumbered here and that Chrom has a bit of a supportive role, Chrom is not going to be running to the front lines, he will be hanging back a bit to take a more tactical approach.

This is the logical approach, yeah. Chrom sucks compared to Raziel. Chrom knows he sucks compared to Raziel. So the most useful thing he can do in this fight is hide in a bolthole while boosted Raziel does all the fighting.

My hangup though - is this consistent with Chrom's personality? Most RPG mains wouldn't abandon their partner even if it was legitimately the most logical course of action. But I don't know about Chrom specifically.

Well Fire Emblem is all about tactics and strategy. He knows that there are times when you need to split up, when to fall back. There are certain battles where you just need to survive and defend and not just route. He would understand his role is more important to stay alive than do any killing, and if they find him he will try to handle himself.
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Yeah, Chrom risked Robin getting possessed by a dragon god along with himself getting stabbed through the chest with a lightning bolt for one of Robin's plans before. Or leading his entire army into a volcano on Robin's suggestions. Or abandoning half his fleet of ships and setting fire to them to use as flaming battering rams against another fleet.

He likes having a tactician to follow.
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Raziel

Hes a really bad style mismatch for Sephiroth; geralt doesnt have the tools to stop him/slow him based on what I know..

The params boost just makes it silly.
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Okay. So let's assume the plan is for Chrom to go hide.
- Does this terrain have good places to hide?
- Does Geralt have tracking tech, or other good ways of finding Chrom? I know hunting beasts is one of his big things, and this is his terrain, so I would assume he's familiar with the place.

Raziel's invisibility is the other thing I'm wondering about. Is it complete invisibility? Is there some kind of MP cost/cooldown, or can he just go around invisible all the time? (sorry I should know this but it's been a while)

Regardless, the X-Ray Visor is a direct counter if Yuffie has any cause to suspect an invisible enemy.
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I dont have an answer for Raziels invisibility at the moment, I will try and look that up

but it says the other team is at the top of the highest tower. So there are towers to hide in, I would think with knowledge of Raziel reviving near starting location Chrom would find someplace to hide out near where they start but also able to be alert totheusrroudning area
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Imo Chrom would just kick Geralt's ass if he found him alone anyway. Aether !! is really good in a duel and he's got a strong set of sustain weapons there. Would really need to be Yuffie or Seph that found him, or for Geralt to have laid a trap (which is hard to do if Chrom isn't advancing) for it to be a clear loss for Chrom.
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Raziels invisibility in Defiance is granted via Reaver spell. It granted him invisibility for a set time and does cost reaver gauge to cast.

Reaver gauge is filled by attacking enemies or using reaver stones, which I would argue Raziel has access to since his writeup is fairly broad on the "equipment" front
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Anything can change
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Lopen posted...

As it is, Yuffie's name has to mean something for it to have any purpose at all, so I think it makes more sense to have Yuffie with the abilities of a Hyperdimension character, based on what this write-up is.

well yeah, though with the ability i just see it as a character select sort of thing. "oh you don't want to play as yuffie in this game right now, here's a different character."

which makes me think her name shouldn't matter at all. what you're describing is basically here's Neptune cosplaying as Yuffie. that one would still have materia but from the sounds of it this is just Neptune. that materia does make for a big difference in the form of buffs. having it be as you want it to be, where the character basically has their personality change to a genki moe girl as seen in the Neptunia series, seems like an entirely different ability. but a better one too since it can make for some drastic changes that are fun. you could also have the options for them being stoic or lewd. Genkiroth would be 10/10.
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