Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ General Bub's Spiritual Hitsquad vs. Archer and Cloud

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Banjo & Kazooie, Juliet Starling, Geese Howard, Neclord, Alice Liddell, Sora, Dracula, Shao Kahn, Dante and Lightning have challenged Archer and Cloud to a fight! Location of the fight: Unlimited Blade Works - A blasted wasteland where countless famous swords lie without their owners, extending into the horizon in an endless field beneath a steel sky. Defenders will start atop the rocky hill overlooking the field, whilst attackers will start 100 meters away. Which side will win?

Guidelines

- The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment.
- The members of Archer's team are ideal teammates capable of a pre-selected plan of battle. Members of the Spiritual Hitsquad will place their own survival above any attempts at cooperation, as well as disregarding any pre-battle plan. They will not, however attack each other.
- "Broken" refers to a lot of things, including insta-death, auto-effects, a variety of status effects (e.g., Imp, Silence, Stop, *not* Poison), and revival. Unless stated otherwise, nobody has them, though do use your own discretion.
- There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from.

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- If you want to switch your votes simply bold the change; there's no need to delete your post, though you may if you wish.
- This match will end in 24 hours.
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Lightning is as she appears in the endgame of Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII, with a schemata set-up featuring a balance of her strongest physical, magical and debuffing skills and equipment, and with limited use of Curaga.

Banjo and Kazooie are as they appear in Banjo-Tooie, with all their moves and upgrades. They are free to split up whenever they like.

Juliet Starling is as she appears in Lollipop Chainsaw, with all her abilities and upgrades, including those utilising Nick, with the exception of the Chainsaw Blaster. She also cannot activate Star Soul Power. She may activate Star Soul Power for one minute and thirty seconds at any point during the fight, doubling all of her parameters.

Geese Howard is as he appears in the Fatal Fury and King of Fighters series, with all of his moves available.

Neclord is as seen in Suikoden II, with all of his attacks shown in Suikoden I and Suikoden II. He retains his extreme resistance to damage from non-holy based magic and weapons from the Moon Rune, as well as any attacks seen in the gameplay granted by the rune. However, he will lose these resistances if struck by the Star Dragon Sword and cannot otherwise use the rune for curses or anything else.

Alice Liddell is as she appears in Alice: Madness Returns wearing the Checkmate dress and equipped with the Vorpal Cleaver, Octo-grinder, Knightmare, Catnip Cannon, Umbrella and Clockwork Bomb, all fully upgraded. She also has the Ice Wand, Jabberwock's Eye Staff and Blunderbuss from American McGee's Alice, with her will regenerating over time. When near death she will enter Hysteria mode for 20 seconds, but only once.
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Sora is as he appears in Kingdom Hearts 2 FM+ with his best non-broken equipment, and is able to use his Valor, Wisdom, Limit, and Master forms, though they aren't infinite, use the same gauge (starting with and limited to 5), and won't eat up an ally. He doesn't have Magnet, summons, limits (except in Limit form), any reaction commands, or invincibility.

Dracula appears as he does in Chapter 6 of Harmony of Despair, Hard Mode. He has access to all of his attacks, though his seduction attack can't brainwash females, and can freely transform between all three of his forms. Additionally, he has all of his attacks from Order of Ecclesia, except for that game's version of Demonic Megiddo.

Dante is as he appears in Devil May Cry 4, though he does not have his canon regen. He may access Devil Trigger for up to 10 seconds every 5 minutes. He also has all of his weapons from Devil May Cry 3. He does not have access to Kalina Ann, Yamato, or any styles only seen in Devil May Cry 3.

Shao Kahn is as he appears in the Mortal Kombat series, with all of his moves, although he may only use fatalities if an opponent has been sufficiently weakened.

~VS~

Archer is as seen in Fate/Stay Night's Unlimited Blade Works route. He may not turn incorporeal and may be affected by conventional weapons despite his status as a servant. He has full use of his Projection capabilities, and full access to the power of Unlimited Blade Works.

Cloud Strife is as seen in Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, with access to the First Tsurugi, his motorcycle Fenrir, and any abilities/skills granted by that equipment. He additionally has access to all magic (green) FF7 materia and his wing from Kingdom Hearts.

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So as I pray...Unlimited Blade Works! FIGHT!
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@Tirofog
@DeathChicken

The floor is yours. If you cannot defeat your enemy with the weapon you do have, then imagine one with which you could. Go!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUs8FEsDUZ4
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ten guys

Archer
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Archer SOLOS
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I ahm da bohn of mah sord

I am the dream of my meme
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eleven guys
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Strong arguments from both sides.
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Think Cloud has the Star Dragon Sword btw
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good thing Archer can project it!
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Lopen posted...

Think Cloud has the Star Dragon Sword btw

This is correct. Cloud has come to battle with the Star Dragon Sword.

Not that it's terribly relevant but, y'know.
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Imo rocket Star Dragon Swords pretty much massacre Dracula and Neclord without any effort, which is kinda good because thinning the numbers in that first 100m is paramount for Archer here.
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Will give my take on the match because neither leader can be bothered to argue and none of the votes can either

Pros of Archer's Team:
- Good starting position + 100m, and the ability to fire all sorts of overpowered weapons at will.
- Cloud can buff Archer, making him more effective-- possibly can even buff himself as Archer will be bombarding the enemy team enough that they're going to need to be prioritizing dodging
- Ranged options on the enemy team are fairly garbage, meaning Archer can pretty much fire at will until they get to him
- Cloud is decent backup, and can probably hold off one or two enemy melees for a bit
- B&K, Geese, Juliet, Neclord, Alice, Dracula are probably all mowed down pretty easily before even getting in or contributing anything of note, and without any real effort put into it. Archer can fire so many weapons at once, some of which are going to be literally exploding for AoE damage.
- Loss of ideal teammates clause means that Shao may do some dickish thing like grab Sora and use him as a shield while he approaches.

Pros of Dante's Team:
- Assuming Archer eliminates the ones he can effortlessly explode, that leaves Dante, Sora, Lightning, and Shao Kahn. This is a match Archer will lose if he's in a 4v1.
- Dante, Sora, and Lightning are all very good at dodging. Not a given Archer can take any of them out on the approach.
- Shao is very durable and has teleportation. Also not a given he can be taken out on the approach.

I think it's a match that isn't super clear and needs a bit of Archer hype on the more obscure weapons he can and has projected for the easy sale myself, but what can you do.
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I think Cloud isnt to be sneezed at here. Witb Archer taking the brunt of the attention he absolutely is a decent match for people like Shao Kahn and lightning even if he would eventually lose
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Anyone got a link to some good video of what all Unlimited Blade Works does?

When I look all I get is OSTs
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I would also put Dracula in the "not effortless to explode" camp, since he has teleportation and three forms' worth of durability

But I agree with Eddv that Cloud can do good work here
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Hrunting is very relevant here

http://imgur.com/a/Fe54i#0

tl;dr: autoaiming weapon that keeps readjusting to go back at the target if deflected that he can spam. Strong enough to kill Saber. Note that the ONLY reason Shirou and Saber survive here is that Shirou is timelooping this crap so he knows how they're gonna get destroyed. He won't take as much time as he does there to charge his shots because UBW is fully active here too.

Other things that he might be able to trace, if Nameless Archer counts as him (which maybe he does, shit's kinda weird):

-Gae Bolg
-Excalibur
-Aestus Estus (creates an artificial battlefield that favors the wielder, stacks with a reality marble IIRC).
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I think Dracula is only effortless to explode because the Star Dragon Sword is here. I don't see him surviving against rocket propelled Star Dragon Swords.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

http://imgur.com/a/Fe54i#0

man who has time to read that
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Johnbobb posted...

Anyone got a link to some good video of what all Unlimited Blade Works does?

When I look all I get is OSTs

It allows Archer to trace every single weapon he has ever seen at a very low cost and spam them freely, including 'breaking' them to liberate enormous power blasts. He can also do shit like this - anything Shirou does in this vid he can do better.

https://youtu.be/qW2nX4j6RR8?t=43
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Archer on UBW route fights both Saber and Lancer, so he can trace Gae Bolg/Excalibur without any problems.
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Archer would be like the combination of Shirou and Gilgamesh in that video. So the dude firing all the weapons which look like bullets, Archer can do this with any weapon he knows of, combined with the guy blocking all of em with his own weapons.
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So things that aren't in fate stay night that are relevant:

Archer has Durandal in UBW, which is indeed a holy sword. Not clear which one is more powerful vs dark between that and star dragon sword, but Archer would know given his ability to know the history and strength. I don't know if the star dragon sword was created exactly to destroy Neclord, but if it was, Archer would know that the sword was created specifically to damage and kill him from his history ability.

Hrunting is kinda a non-factor, he needs like half a minute to prime a couple so at this distance he won't be able to use it except as like, a generically powerful sword explosion.

So long as no one is on Archer instantly, I think he would be able to Caladbolg + explode. I think it'd be fairly difficult given that the terrain would be fairly jagged with the sword rains + the general swordspam in the air. A fairly well worn strategy is to just impede people's paths with a rain of swords forming an impromptu wall (does this in the UBW route several times)

Arti posted...

Archer on UBW route fights both Saber and Lancer, so he can trace Gae Bolg/Excalibur without any problems.

Notable because Gae Bolg is an attack that can't ever miss, and hits the heart with a cursed strike that can't be healed. Brutal against all those dodgy dudes since it's like 'lmao your dodgehax' because it reverses causality - first it hits, THEN it explains how it hit.
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I don't think Star Dragon Sword is particularly noteworthy against Dracula. Dracula's not Neclord, and Neclord is definitely not up to par with Dracula.

Dracula completely no-sold Shanoa (to the point he doesn't even bother transforming against her), who has more than a handful of powerful holy spells. Something like Sanctuary in PoR also does nothing against Dracula, despite curing vampirism in three different plot cases, so that's another case where a powerful holy plot item that disables vampirism can't do anything to Dracula despite affecting other vampires.
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Eleven Guys

UBW isn't *that* broken. Sora, Lightning, and Dante are all agile enough to block/dodge a lot of those. Juliet with her double parameters can probably do okay for a bit, and Dracula is tanky enough to no-sell some. The rest are probably shishkebob but hey at least they serve as momentary distractions. The major players are going to put a ton of pressure on Archer and he can only fire so many swords at once.

I think that with maybe one other guy here as backup, Archer might be able to pull it off. I don't think just Cloud is cutting it though. He's not especially fast andwon't be able to keep up well with the people able to get in on Archer.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

He has full use of his Projection capabilities, and full access to the power of Unlimited Blade Works.

...well shit. archer.

it's not even the UBW bit that's what settles it, it's the full use of projection, 100m away, while looking down at his opponents. that's useful in an emergency situation stacked with Rho Aias but it's likely not even needed.

star dragon sword, caliburn, durandal, gram, etc. tons of holy swords that exist that would work well against the undead. as for other swords, harpe in particular is useful against anyone who tries to heal as that sword creates wounds you can't heal from. that's one of the swords explicitly seen from Gilgamesh's vault during Fate/Stay, so there should be no problem there. there's invisible swords he's identified too though not sure how much that matters for this fight when he's got everything else.

fight starts, they're getting Caladborg'd real fucking quick and it'll be down to 3 (Sora, Lightning, Dante - Shao isn't going to avoid nearly enough) in seconds which he's got plenty of anyway. and those three are people he'll likely have a good idea over how to fight quickly since keyblade's a sword, lightning uses a sword, and dante uses swords. i do wonder what a projected keyblade would be like though.
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Garbage because Keyblades are stupid fucking weapons fuck Kingdom Hearts
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