Board 8 > Freedom, Liberty, Ron Paul - It's PEOPLE! The economy is made of PEOPLE! [dwmf]

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Yeah but the intended audience for this thing is hipsters - you get like 100x more points for doing it yourself.
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Actual FB comment I just saw:

"I know this is a shitposting page, but can we please stop the constant ignorant attacks on women?"

(it was serious)
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http://nypost.com/2017/07/25/anti-pot-billboards-awkward-race-commentary-sparks-outrage/

this is like, Hillary level pandering to minorities
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lol

that literally looks like something out of south park.
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a dispensery should put up a competing billboard that says "We need pot to have fun! We're whites, we're fucking lame!"
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I didn't actually read the article yesterday but holy shit it gets even better

The billboards were set up in various cities, including Yakima and Union Gap, as part of the Washington State Department of Health’s “Listen2YourSelfie” campaign against teens smoking weed, according to KAPP-KVEW.
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I'm 2.5 seasons through Breaking Bad and pretty unimpressed so far.

Like the concept is A+ but the execution is meh at best. Virtually all of the characters are eminently hateable, and it seems to try way too hard to be pointlessly artistic just for the sake of doing so (oh cool, so I get to see what it looks like to have a bunch of cash dumped on a table from the table's point of view, whoa man!)
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Would you rather boring and plain shots while they deliver the story? The cinematography is super efficient and dense with symbology. I thought it was obvious enough for anyone but maybe it's lost on some people.

Also like every good show has hateable characters. Audience pandering characters are boring.
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The cinematography is super efficient and dense with symbology. I thought it was obvious enough for anyone but maybe it's lost on some people.

Yeah that's the thing though, it's obvious but it pretends to not be, if that makes any sense. Like it's designed to make the audience think they're really smart for getting it, but actually its totally obvious and everyone clearly gets it.

Also like every good show has hateable characters. Audience pandering characters are boring.

Yeah my point is that this has basically nothing but. Walter Jr is a little sympathetic I guess, but that's about it. Literally everyone else is awful.
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Symbology is only good if it's so oblique no one picks up on it.
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Oh cool, yet another company-wide e-mail letting everyone know how strongly they disavow Trump and his policies (this time on trans in the military). This is probably like the fifth or sixth such one since the election.
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Is that a bad thing?
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I wasn't here so I can't verify it, but I'd be willing to bet that through eight years of Obama, there were zero such e-mails.
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Man, it's almost like Obama and Trump are very different Presidents, and people will respond to them differently. Nothing gets past you, does it?
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SmartMuffin posted...

I wasn't here so I can't verify it, but I'd be willing to bet that through eight years of Obama, there were zero such e-mails.

that's not an answer to redrocket's quection.
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redrocket_pub posted...

Man, it's almost like Obama and Trump are very different Presidents, and people will respond to them differently. Nothing gets past you, does it?

Well he sees all the symbology in Breaking Bad...
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You really have to ask me whether or not I think it's a bad thing that every major company is overwhelmingly leftist, despite popular belief that is the exact opposite?

"but Trump is super establishment lolololol"
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SmartMuffin posted...

You really have to ask me whether or not I think it's a bad thing that every major company is overwhelmingly leftist, despite popular belief that is the exact opposite?

that's not what redrocket was asking.

why do you have such a hard time answering such a simple question?
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SmartMuffin posted...

Yeah that's the thing though, it's obvious but it pretends to not be, if that makes any sense. Like it's designed to make the audience think they're really smart for getting it, but actually its totally obvious and everyone clearly gets it.

Not at all. It's basically Shakespeare style symbolism. Entertaining, witty, obvious mass appeal. Of course there are paranoid anti-intellectuals who for some reason think Shakespeare is "too elitist and academic" and refuse to just enjoy the damn puns, but those people hate everything anyways.

SmartMuffin posted...

Yeah my point is that this has basically nothing but

Right. All good shows are like that. Keep your fanservice in animes about 12 year old girls.
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Right. All good shows are like that. Keep your fanservice in animes about 12 year old girls.

This really isn't true at all.

Even if you go to other shows where the protagonist themselves is largely a bad guy (but portrayed semi-sympathetically) like The Shield or Sons of Anarchy, there's always tons of really likeable supporting cast (Lem, Ronnie, Opie, Piney, etc.)

Also a show that tries to pull off "gritty realism" needs to be more realistic about stuff like that too. Yeah most people are unsympathetic jerks, but not 100% of them. Any sufficiently large group (including motorcycle gangs and drug cartels) will have at least a few nice guys among them!
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uh yeah, can't agree with the "a show has to have hateable characters to be good" claim. flight of the conchords is an awesome show and pretty much all of the main characters in it are likable (if deeply flawed).

that being said, that doesn't mean a show with mostly hateable characters sucks by default. that can be good too.

tl;dr only a sith deals in absolutes.
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I just feel like the show is super draining to watch.

Like, I don't need a show to take me to a fantasy world of vengeful passive-aggressive housewives and slacker 20-something drop-outs who fuck everything up. I can meet plenty of those people in real life. I don't want to deal with them for real, so why should I want to deal with them in my leisure escapist time?

The appeal of shows about cops, drug cartels, and motorcycle gangs is that it gives you a glimpse into a world you don't really get the chance to see for yourself otherwise, while also showing the common human shared emotional experience that binds us all (even Omar loves his mother!). I don't need a glimpse into the lives of a dysfunctional middle-class family. I can just go home and visit my family if I want that.
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http://instituteforenergyresearch.org/analysis/switching-markets-save-15-percent-climate-insurance/

great stuff from Murphy on the ridiculous way climate change is being sold as "insurance"
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SmartMuffin posted...

Also a show that tries to pull off "gritty realism" needs to be more realistic about stuff like that too. Yeah most people are unsympathetic jerks, but not 100% of them. Any sufficiently large group (including motorcycle gangs and drug cartels) will have at least a few nice guys among them!

Ok sure but that's Skinny Pete and Badger. Although I suppose Mike is also made to be very likeable.
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lol even XKCD now has a large anti-trump banner at the top of the page
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shocking that a webcomic about science and love would be anti-trump

and it's not even anti-trump, it's about the health care vote?
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perhaps it's consolation to muffin that dilbert is still pro-trump.
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Just watched a dude chase a fly around for an hour.

Thank God for the miracle of television. Otherwise I'd have no idea what it's like to be unable to kill an annoying insect!
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apparently you missed the symbolism
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Bannon: I'll bet you can't get multiple police departments throughout the country to denounce violence and claim police brutality is an unacceptable scourge.
Trump: Hold my beer.
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foolmo literally advocating for slavery on his FB page
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did he criticize trump?
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I kinda agree with muffin on Breaking Bad - it's a good show, borderline great in seasons 3-4, but it really is a draining watch and suffers from having a relatively small and uniformally unlikeable cast. it's kinda like The Sopranos or House of Cards in that way, all of these shows really struggle getting me emotionally invested in characters I have so little sympathy for.

that said the cinematography is beautiful and clever without ever being obtuse about it. probably the best thing about the show, for me.
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Man I didn't believe people but AC3 really is kinda sucky. They basically polished the engine to perfection, then ruined it.
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Yeah city folk is really mediocre but new leaf really kicks the series into high gear
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https://twitter.com/JustinRaimondo/status/891676233880055809
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Traditional conservatism == neoconservatism? Language is dead.
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traditional conservatives always lost elections? pretty sure eisenhower won.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

did he criticize trump?

Probably cuz I said a draft would be better than a volunteer standing army

Spoilers: enacting a draft would not result in people being drafted
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Kenri posted...

Traditional conservatism == neoconservatism? Language is dead.

New wave retro futurism
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foolm0r0n posted...

Probably cuz I said a draft would be better than a volunteer standing army

Spoilers: enacting a draft would not result in people being drafted

aside from that, lol @ muffin thinking "option 1 is better than option 2" = "i'm advocating option 1." by that logic, in response to muffin's "i'm against borders BUT as long as the government doesn't allow its civilians to properly arm themselves we need borders to protect us from islamic terrorists" stance you could say "lol muffin is advocating government controlled borders what a phony libertarian."
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It's a totally dumb interpretation of my post anyway so no reason to logically scrutinize it
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

foolm0r0n posted...

Probably cuz I said a draft would be better than a volunteer standing army

Spoilers: enacting a draft would not result in people being drafted

aside from that, lol @ muffin thinking "option 1 is better than option 2" = "i'm advocating option 1." by that logic, in response to muffin's "i'm against borders BUT as long as the government doesn't allow its civilians to properly arm themselves we need borders to protect us from islamic terrorists" stance you could say "lol muffin is advocating government controlled borders what a phony libertarian."

Lots of southern slaveowners defended slavery only as the lesser evil because without slavemasters providing for them, blacks would surely starve to death from lack of employment. But I guess we can't say they "advocated slavery" because they really just said slavery was better than mass genocide. And who could argue with that?
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They grasped for every single possible justification for slavery, with absolutely no valid proof or arguments. When one justification was shot down (extremely easily since it never has a basis in fact or logic), they just shit out another one and pretend that was their justification all along. Of course you can't recognize this technique since it's the same one that fuels GG, redpill, Trump supporters etc.

I have one argument for the draft that is based in basic history and economics. If it's as easily shot down as "blacks would starve without slavery" or "women making indie games ruined Zelda" then go ahead and do it, and then I will have no other reason to support a draft.

Further, I'm not advocating for the status quo in lieu of some doomsday hypothetical. My doomsday situation is current reality. Your argument implicitly argues that the military status quo is p chill and aight, which is completely expected given how """libertarian""" you have become.
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I have one argument for the draft that is based in basic history and economics. If it's as easily shot down as "blacks would starve without slavery" or "women making indie games ruined Zelda" then go ahead and do it

Easy. Your argument is NOT based on history or economics at all. The notion that requiring a draft leads to a smaller military or fewer wars is based on nothing more than speculation. Historically, the US has utilized the draft in wars both large (civil war, ww2) and small (korea, vietnam).

It's actually even dumber than speculation because it implies some sort of faith in democracy working perfectly, which is just incredibly naive and embarrassing for anyone who even leans libertarian to advocate. "Oh well if there's a draft the people will get really mad and demand the government end the war." As if the government gives a flying fuck what "the people demand."
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As a follow up, the other common left-lib canard was always "Well if we have the draft then congresspeople and their own families would actually have to fight the wars rather than just the poor - so they'd be less likely to support war!"

Whoops, turns out Congressmen are about twice as likely to have served in the military as the general population.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/by-the-numbers-veterans-in-congress/

I can't find any numbers on family members or children, but I'm more than willing to assume it's similar.
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SmartMuffin posted...

Lots of southern slaveowners defended slavery only as the lesser evil because without slavemasters providing for them, blacks would surely starve to death from lack of employment. But I guess we can't say they "advocated slavery" because they really just said slavery was better than mass genocide. And who could argue with that?

no, because the slaveowners didn't come up with a better alternative to slavery. they presented slavery as the best option, even if they called it the "lesser evil." it's like me saying democracy is the lesser evil compared to fascism, anarchy, etc. it's fair to say i advocate democracy based on that stance.

but foolmo did present an option he prefers to both a draft and a volunteer standing army: no military. his FB post that sparked the debate was literally "i don't want anyone to join the military." you're being a disingenuous ass when you say "lol foolmo's preferred option is obviously a draft based on that one post he made during the debate."
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I think TJ did that exact type of thing.

"I'd prefer that slavery didn't exist, but since it does, I need to keep mine so that my farm can be competitive with the other farms who also have slaves."

He's offering an (obviously unrealistic for the time, nowhere near close to happening anytime soon enough to be relevant) alternative, ruling it out, and then proceeding with an argument for more, not less, slavery.
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SmartMuffin posted...

I think TJ did that exact type of thing.

"I'd prefer that slavery didn't exist, but since it does, I need to keep mine so that my farm can be competitive with the other farms who also have slaves."

He's offering an (obviously unrealistic for the time, nowhere near close to happening anytime soon enough to be relevant) alternative, ruling it out, and then proceeding with an argument for more, not less, slavery.

again, how is that different from your border stance?

"obviously i prefer no borders, but since the government doesn't allow civilians to arm themselves, we need EXTREME MEGA SUPER STRICT border control." yeah, that's very libertarian of you.
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SmartMuffin posted...

Easy. Your argument is NOT based on history or economics at all. The notion that requiring a draft leads to a smaller military or fewer wars is based on nothing more than speculation. Historically, the US has utilized the draft in wars both large (civil war, ww2) and small (korea, vietnam).

So you're pointing out that there hasn't been a draft for 40 years despite massive military growth and numerous military conflicts, and you don't understand how my argument is historical?

SmartMuffin posted...

It's actually even dumber than speculation because it implies some sort of faith in democracy working perfectly, which is just incredibly naive and embarrassing for anyone who even leans libertarian to advocate. "Oh well if there's a draft the people will get really mad and demand the government end the war." As if the government gives a flying fuck what "the people demand."

What are you even talking about? People will just leave if there's a draft. That's economics. Or they will revolt in extreme circumstances. The feds do not have the resources to defend against that. Democracy isn't the only way to do things, not sure why you are assuming that.

Don't fault my argument for your lack of imagination.
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