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vbty3
07/21/17 9:22:33 AM
#51:


EnragedSlith posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
Cleo_II posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
Cleo_II posted...
The books are a lot worse.

Not really, they turned several consensual sex scenes from the books into rape scenes in the show and added at least one with a major character that didn't exist at all in the books


Other than the one with the major character (which I thought was so dumb, made me want to stop watching the show), I don't recall others that they added.

The rapes described in the books are super graphic

Jaime and Cersei wasn't rape and Dany's first night with Drogo wasn't rape in the books either

I must have missed the part where Danaerys was a consenting adult and Drogo didn't force himself on her. Holy shit, CE

None of those scenes were rape in the books. In the show, they were.
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scar the 1
07/21/17 9:23:10 AM
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EnragedSlith posted...
I must have missed the part where Danaerys was a consenting adult and Drogo didn't force himself on her. Holy s***, CE

Well she was consenting, however by most laws in our world she would probably not have been an adult.
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REMercsChamp
07/21/17 9:25:29 AM
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>Opens up new episode
>First line: "let's all go get some whores at the brothel tonight gents!"
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vbty3
07/21/17 9:25:48 AM
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That Jaime and Cersei scene was so awful, though. Not only was it completely unnecessary, but it stained the episode.
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Rika_Furude
07/21/17 9:28:36 AM
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DarthAragorn
07/21/17 9:32:33 AM
#56:


EnragedSlith posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
Cleo_II posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
Cleo_II posted...
The books are a lot worse.

Not really, they turned several consensual sex scenes from the books into rape scenes in the show and added at least one with a major character that didn't exist at all in the books


Other than the one with the major character (which I thought was so dumb, made me want to stop watching the show), I don't recall others that they added.

The rapes described in the books are super graphic

Jaime and Cersei wasn't rape and Dany's first night with Drogo wasn't rape in the books either

I must have missed the part where Danaerys was a consenting adult and Drogo didn't force himself on her. Holy shit, CE

Don't blame me, I didn't write it.
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Darkman124
07/21/17 9:48:43 AM
#57:


EnragedSlith posted...

I must have missed the part where Danaerys was a consenting adult and Drogo didn't force himself on her. Holy s***, CE


it's pretty early in the book and quite clear that drogo very specifically did not force himself on her

also there was nothing to suggest that ramsay's hunting dogs rape people

they are all female. they eat people.

overall the show generally turns female characters that are weak, stupid, or irrelevant into leaders or much tougher character archetypes, notably elia of dorne, shae, cersei, and yara/asha
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untrustful
07/21/17 9:51:10 AM
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most viewers in general...
I know things are shit, I don't need a rape scene every now and then to get reminded.

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REMercsChamp
07/21/17 2:46:48 PM
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>"This show is actually pro-women"
>Opens next episode, opening scene is "quiet woman!" followed by a man giving her a backhand across the face
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scar the 1
07/21/17 3:18:03 PM
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REMercsChamp posted...
>"This show is actually pro-women"
>Opens next episode, opening scene is "quiet woman!" followed by a man giving her a backhand across the face

A show can't be pro-women if it has abuse of women in it?
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REMercsChamp
07/21/17 3:26:36 PM
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scar the 1 posted...
REMercsChamp posted...
>"This show is actually pro-women"
>Opens next episode, opening scene is "quiet woman!" followed by a man giving her a backhand across the face

A show can't be pro-women if it has abuse of women in it?

Every time I open a new episode in a gratuitous and celebratory fashion?
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NOM
07/21/17 3:27:36 PM
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I always thought about watching the show, but it's not on any streaming services and I don't have HBO.
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vbty3
07/21/17 3:28:31 PM
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NOM posted...
I always thought about watching the show, but it's not on any streaming services and I don't have HBO.

It's on HBO NOW. You can get a month free trial.
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EnragedSlith
07/21/17 5:49:03 PM
#64:


Darkman124 posted...
EnragedSlith posted...

I must have missed the part where Danaerys was a consenting adult and Drogo didn't force himself on her. Holy s***, CE


it's pretty early in the book and quite clear that drogo very specifically did not force himself on her

also there was nothing to suggest that ramsay's hunting dogs rape people

they are all female. they eat people.

overall the show generally turns female characters that are weak, stupid, or irrelevant into leaders or much tougher character archetypes, notably elia of dorne, shae, cersei, and yara/asha

Asha is much stronger in the books
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Axiom
07/21/17 6:06:31 PM
#66:


EnragedSlith posted...
Darkman124 posted...
EnragedSlith posted...

I must have missed the part where Danaerys was a consenting adult and Drogo didn't force himself on her. Holy s***, CE


it's pretty early in the book and quite clear that drogo very specifically did not force himself on her

also there was nothing to suggest that ramsay's hunting dogs rape people

they are all female. they eat people.

overall the show generally turns female characters that are weak, stupid, or irrelevant into leaders or much tougher character archetypes, notably elia of dorne, shae, cersei, and yara/asha

Asha is much stronger in the books

The rape that occurred with dogs was apparently to his wife that Sansa took the place of in the show. Also he forced Theon to participate in rape as well >_>
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ColdOne666
07/21/17 6:14:21 PM
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Wow Scar is such a shit tier troll lol. What a Beta.
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zakkkkkkk
07/21/17 6:30:01 PM
#68:


scar the 1 posted...
What's bad about the rape in Game of Thrones imo is that they just add a lot of scenes like that for cheap shock value. There's no purpose to a lot of those scenes other than to shock the viewer. Heck, some of them don't even make sense to the characters, Jaime and Cersei specifically. I already know that it's based on 15th century England, I know things are shit, I don't need a rape scene every now and then to get reminded. As far as I can recall, there's not a single rape scene in the books that gets major attention, and if I forgot one then I'll bet it was more useful for the plot than just "get shocked".

I dunno, it feels like as the show goes on the producers feel the need to keep the shock value up, after the legacy of stuff like Red Wedding etc. And these types of scenes are a cheap way of trying to do that.


This is exactly how I feel about the show, and maybe this is why I just don't find the show all that interesting anymore.
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Lightsasori
07/21/17 6:45:16 PM
#69:


scar the 1 posted...
What's bad about the rape in Game of Thrones imo is that they just add a lot of scenes like that for cheap shock value. There's no purpose to a lot of those scenes other than to shock the viewer. Heck, some of them don't even make sense to the characters, Jaime and Cersei specifically. I already know that it's based on 15th century England, I know things are shit, I don't need a rape scene every now and then to get reminded. As far as I can recall, there's not a single rape scene in the books that gets major attention, and if I forgot one then I'll bet it was more useful for the plot than just "get shocked".

I dunno, it feels like as the show goes on the producers feel the need to keep the shock value up, after the legacy of stuff like Red Wedding etc. And these types of scenes are a cheap way of trying to do that.


Yeah, that's kind of how I feel about a lot of the rape scenes in GoT. Never read the books, but I personally felt like the creators of the show are just trying to be as edgy as possible because they can get away with these type of things that you normally couldn't get away with if it was on normal television. It's kind of the same way with a lot of the Netflix exclusive shows where they will show gratuitous sex scenes or gore with almost zero to no pay off from them. I mean in Sense8 there's a random ass orgy scene that goes on for like 10 minutes or something.
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scar the 1
07/21/17 7:57:30 PM
#70:


ColdOne666 posted...
Wow Scar is such a shit tier troll lol. What a Beta.

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REMercsChamp
07/22/17 12:25:23 AM
#71:


>Loads up next episode of game of thrones
>Opening scene is man having sex with a prostitute doggy style, full nudity with her breasts flopping all over the place
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Lorenzo_2003
07/22/17 12:40:00 AM
#72:


REMercsChamp posted...
Anyone else feel like this series is anti-women with the gratuitous nudity, rape and even the female characters falling in love with and trying to please their rapist captors?


Anti-women? Not really. If anything, it would be anti-human, I guess. I mean have you seen what happens to the men in this show? Also, three of the biggest badasses are women, despite what happened in their past. One of them could very well ascend the Iron Throne in the end. (Cersei, technically, already has, but she might not be there at the series' conclusion.)
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Neoconkers
07/22/17 9:14:14 AM
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because look at this guy

https://winteriscoming.net/wp-content/blogs.dir/385/files/2015/02/George-RR-Martin.jpg

you know he was writing all those rape scenes one-handed
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SSJ-JohnLennon
07/22/17 9:19:03 AM
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Maybe some people think it's hot?
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HellsingOrg
07/22/17 9:19:20 AM
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Whats up with all the daily rapes in the real world?
Our whole world is rape city since the beginning of time especially when people barely had double digit IQ as the norm and lived in medieval times.

GoT is pretty accurate. Imagine living in prehistoric caveman times. Rape was probably a daily occurrence and would have really been horrible :/
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REMercsChamp
07/22/17 9:32:01 AM
#76:


HellsingOrg posted...
Whats up with all the daily rapes in the real world?
Our whole world is rape city since the beginning of time especially when people barely had double digit IQ as the norm and lived in medieval times.

GoT is pretty accurate. Imagine living in prehistoric caveman times. Rape was probably a daily occurrence and would have really been horrible :/

Taking a shit is also a daily occurrence, doesn't mean we need to include it in the TV shows
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Kanaya413
07/22/17 9:38:41 AM
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I was curious and damn those books are fucked up
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iosifsvoboda
07/22/17 9:45:51 AM
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I would like to know what the source for rape happened all the the time in medieval times is.

Also the rape scenes in this aren't even that graphic

But yeah show is mysgonist as fuck
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HellsingOrg
07/22/17 9:52:53 AM
#79:


iosifsvoboda posted...
I would like to know what the source for rape happened all the the time in medieval times is.

Also the rape scenes in this aren't even that graphic

But yeah show is mysgonist as fuck



Men get raped in it too so does that make it misandrist?
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Lorenzo_2003
07/22/17 10:03:18 AM
#80:


Neoconkers posted...
because look at this guy

https://winteriscoming.net/wp-content/blogs.dir/385/files/2015/02/George-RR-Martin.jpg

you know he was writing all those rape scenes one-handed


People say there's no such thing as a funny rape joke. You, sir, have proven them wrong.
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scar the 1
07/22/17 11:06:58 AM
#81:


iosifsvoboda posted...
I would like to know what the source for rape happened all the the time in medieval times is.

Rape happens all the time in our time. We know women were treated more as propriety then than they are now. Is it an unreasonable assumption?
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iosifsvoboda
07/22/17 11:19:54 AM
#82:


scar the 1 posted...
iosifsvoboda posted...
I would like to know what the source for rape happened all the the time in medieval times is.

Rape happens all the time in our time. We know women were treated more as propriety then than they are now. Is it an unreasonable assumption?


any assumption is unreasonable
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BigSLM1993
07/22/17 11:26:12 AM
#83:


DarthAragorn posted...
Cleo_II posted...
The books are a lot worse.

Not really, they turned several consensual sex scenes from the books into rape scenes in the show and added at least one with a major character that didn't exist at all in the books

So I'd actually say the show is a lot worse


The way Ramsay treated Fake Arya is definitely worse

What Tyrion does to the prostitute after escaping Kings Landing is rape.

Llolys Stokeworth anyone...

The one girl who had her teeth punched out by the mountain?

The book has a plethora
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Mandasnake
07/22/17 11:26:40 AM
#84:


BigSLM1993 posted...
Llolys Stokeworth anyone...

that was just cartoonish tbh.
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DarthAragorn
07/22/17 11:59:39 AM
#85:


BigSLM1993 posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
Cleo_II posted...
The books are a lot worse.

Not really, they turned several consensual sex scenes from the books into rape scenes in the show and added at least one with a major character that didn't exist at all in the books

So I'd actually say the show is a lot worse


The way Ramsay treated Fake Arya is definitely worse

What Tyrion does to the prostitute after escaping Kings Landing is rape.

Llolys Stokeworth anyone...

The one girl who had her teeth punched out by the mountain?

The book has a plethora

I mean yeah I guess

I forgot about some of those but I was also only thinking of stuff that was explicitly shown
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REMercsChamp
07/22/17 1:31:44 PM
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Darkman124
07/22/17 4:02:22 PM
#87:


EnragedSlith posted...
Asha is much stronger in the books


asha does nothing in the books except get captured and watch stannis get fucked over

Axiom posted...

The rape that occurred with dogs was apparently to his wife that Sansa took the place of in the show. Also he forced Theon to participate in rape as well >_>


the dogs are not involved. just theon.
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Axiom
07/22/17 4:47:17 PM
#88:


Eh from what I read of that part either way could be argued. Like she told him to tell Ramsey that she would do anything he wants with the dog and later she had bite marks on her that were unidentifiable as man or beast. So basically there was heavy implication that he forced her to have sex with his dog
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EbonTitanium
07/22/17 4:55:27 PM
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The tv series is the parallel universe to the book series. There are some similarities, but too many differences.
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HogRiderreturns
07/23/17 9:25:13 PM
#90:


Darkman124 posted...
the dogs are not involved. just theon.

No, it was pretty obvious the dogs were used as well.
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DonaldClinton
07/23/17 9:25:40 PM
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HogRiderreturns posted...
Darkman124 posted...
the dogs are not involved. just theon.

No, it was pretty obvious the dogs were used as well.

No they weren't
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HogRiderreturns
07/23/17 9:35:46 PM
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DonaldClinton posted...
HogRiderreturns posted...
Darkman124 posted...
the dogs are not involved. just theon.

No, it was pretty obvious the dogs were used as well.

No they weren't


A tear ran down her cheek. "Tell him, you tell him, I'll do what he wants...or whatever he wants...with him...or...or with the dog
-A Dance With Dragons, Chapter 51

Seems pretty cut and dry to me.
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DonaldClinton
07/24/17 9:33:33 AM
#93:


HogRiderreturns posted...
DonaldClinton posted...
HogRiderreturns posted...
Darkman124 posted...
the dogs are not involved. just theon.

No, it was pretty obvious the dogs were used as well.

No they weren't


A tear ran down her cheek. "Tell him, you tell him, I'll do what he wants...or whatever he wants...with him...or...or with the dog
-A Dance With Dragons, Chapter 51

Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

We're talking about the show. They never implied it
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HogRiderreturns
07/24/17 9:39:10 AM
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DonaldClinton posted...
We're talking about the show. They never implied it

Actually this particular discussion was about what happens in the books.
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DonaldClinton
07/24/17 9:40:12 AM
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HogRiderreturns posted...
DonaldClinton posted...
We're talking about the show. They never implied it

Actually this particular discussion was about what happens in the books.

Oh
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Darkman124
07/24/17 9:44:44 AM
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HogRiderreturns posted...
DonaldClinton posted...
We're talking about the show. They never implied it

Actually this particular discussion was about what happens in the books.


i missed that line. good eye.
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synth_real
07/26/17 7:41:52 AM
#98:


Neoconkers posted...
because look at this guy

https://winteriscoming.net/wp-content/blogs.dir/385/files/2015/02/George-RR-Martin.jpg

you know he was writing all those rape scenes one-handed

So that's why the next book is taking so long...
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