Poll of the Day > Skinny Repeal FAILS as Trump LOSES Healthcare Vote!! Are you happy???

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let's see what people will vote after trump loses and will now loses his cool on twitter..

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Once major legislation is passed, especially if it includes a benefit, it's very hard to remove it.
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Trump seems to have some sort of weird vendetta against Obamacare. I don't think he even knows why he hates it.
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Golden Road posted...

Trump seems to have some sort of weird vendetta against Obamacare. I don't think he even knows why he hates it.

There are many reasons to hate it, but honestly, all they need to do is remove the mandate and it will crumble. I don't know why this is such an issue.
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Golden Road posted...

Trump seems to have some sort of weird vendetta against Obamacare. I don't think he even knows why he hates it.

Thats the prob.
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Health care (at least at a basic survival level) is a right within civilized society. Anything that strengthens a nation is important for its general wellbeing. Greater good >>>>>> individual.
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Golden Road posted...

Trump seems to have some sort of weird vendetta against Obamacare.

You've only just noticed? All republicans do.

I don't think he even knows why he hates it.

Because it's nicknamed after Obama, no other reason that that. They were stupid enough to let the 'Obamacare' name stick and now it's just a point of pride to republicans to get rid of it for no other reason than that.
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Golden Road posted...

Trump seems to have some sort of weird vendetta against Obamacare. I don't think he even knows why he hates it.

...because it's a key issue among Republicans. Trump listens to the base, unlike some of the candidates.

Syntheticon posted...

Because it's nicknamed after Obama, no other reason that that. They were stupid enough to let the 'Obamacare' name stick and now it's just a point of pride to republicans to get rid of it for no other reason than that.

It's sad that part of me suspects you actually believe something that stupid.
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Syntheticon posted...

I don't think he even knows why he hates it.

Because it's nicknamed after Obama, no other reason that that.

No other reason than that? lol wow
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InfernalFive posted...

Syntheticon posted...

I don't think he even knows why he hates it.

Because it's nicknamed after Obama, no other reason that that.

No other reason than that? lol wow

Keep in mind...

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/history-donald-trump-small-hands-insult/story?id=37395515
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I'm happy because it would've hurt so many people if it had passed in any form, my daughter included (pre-existing condition). I've never seen so many people trying to win the title for the most callous, cold-blooded and heartless group toward the citizens of their own country. The founding fathers would be ashamed of all of us.

Republicans seem to be crap at governing from a moral standpoint and in general practice.
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I feel like this has been an epic saga for McCain (voted No). Someone should make a fanfic about it.
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Yes I'm happy because now 13 million people won't lose their insurance and premiums won't go up.
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Erik_P posted...

Yes I'm happy because now 13 million people won't lose their insurance and premiums won't go up.

I mean, premiums are going to keep going up like they have been, but at least we'll all keep insurance.

GastroFan posted...

The founding fathers would be ashamed of all of us.

They certainly would, though not for reasons you're likely thinking.

This healthcare issue has become so politicized that everyone lost sight of what's important.
Obama care isn't good, and there are absolutely better alternatives. Instead of coming up with one, politicians and media are making this a socially dividing issue, disregarding the fact that the current system is far from perfect.

These public servants who are supposed work for the people are refusing to do their jobs so they can polarize the issue in a metaphorical pissing match.
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I'm happy especially because this shows how utterly incompetent the Republican party is currently. They can't even pass their own fucking agenda because people in their own party find it ridiculous. I'm sure we'll get some manic tweets from Trump about "Democrat obstruction" and how it's an unprecedented amount and threats towards the Republicans who opposed the bill because he's fucking crazy.
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I'm happy it got shot down, but I'm disappointed with how fractured and impotent the government is. This bipartisanship is such a headache. We need leaders who can work together toward a common goal, who can compromise, in both directions. This alone is enough to paint Trump as a colossal failure of a president. He is simply too ego and power driven to care enough to compromise and try to unite the country. But he certainly doesn't shoulder all of the blame.

You're never going to please everyone, but certainly it's better to seek middle ground than to try and appease the fringe.

The only part of this that makes me "unhappy" is if it means the Republicans actually give up and move on to the thing they actually want to tackle.... tax "reform" (if you thought cutting Medicare to give the rich tax breaks was trickle down economics, you ain't seen nothing yet!)

Peterass posted...

This healthcare issue has become so politicized that everyone lost sight of what's important.
Obama care isn't good, and there are absolutely better alternatives. Instead of coming up with one, politicians and media are making this a socially dividing issue, disregarding the fact that the current system is far from perfect.

These public servants who are supposed work for the people are refusing to do their jobs so they can polarize the issue in a metaphorical pissing match.

You see, the problem is all of the better alternatives are more liberal and have greater government involvement than Obamacare, so it's a non-starter for the people in control of all branches of the government right now.
Once again...Obamacare was originally a CONSERVATIVE plan back in the '90's from the Heritage Foundation, back before the entire Republican party went off the deep end.
Gonna be pretty much impossible to "move to the right" for a new plan w/o it being completely horrible.

Jen0125 posted...

threats towards the Republicans who opposed the bill

Funny you should say that. Trump called out Alaska immediately on Twitter, and apparently they're retaliating against Alaska or something.

https://www.adn.com/politics/2017/07/26/trump-administration-signals-that-murkowskis-health-care-vote-could-have-energy-repercussions-for-alaska/
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Yep, time to move on to Single-payer.
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Lightning Bolt posted...

Jen0125 posted...

threats towards the Republicans who opposed the bill

Funny you should say that. Trump called out Alaska immediately on Twitter, and apparently they're retaliating against Alaska or something.

https://www.adn.com/politics/2017/07/26/trump-administration-signals-that-murkowskis-health-care-vote-could-have-energy-repercussions-for-alaska/

That's exactly why I said it lol
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If Obama threatened Congress members when they didn't vote his way, that alone would have stirred up enough outrage among Republicans for them to try to impeach him.

Jen0125 posted...

Lightning Bolt posted...

Jen0125 posted...

threats towards the Republicans who opposed the bill

Funny you should say that. Trump called out Alaska immediately on Twitter, and apparently they're retaliating against Alaska or something.

https://www.adn.com/politics/2017/07/26/trump-administration-signals-that-murkowskis-health-care-vote-could-have-energy-repercussions-for-alaska/

That's exactly why I said it lol

Trump is such a piece of shit

Republicans hate things passed by Democrats, and vice versa. No surprises there.
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GastroFan posted...

I've never seen so many people trying to win the title for the most callous, cold-blooded and heartless group toward the citizens of their own country.

I agree, the Democrats truly are awful.

TheCyborgNinja posted...

Health care (at least at a basic survival level) is a right within civilized society

Nope. There is no such thing as a right to have others pay for your shit. Just because the Democrats enjoy promising unsustainable handouts in exchange for votes doesn't make it a right.

streamofthesky posted...

You see, the problem is all of the better alternatives are more liberal and have greater government involvement than Obamacare,

Probably because none of them are actually better, they just sound nicer while ignoring the factors that make them shitty.

TsC_PoLiTiKz posted...

Republicans seem to be crap at governing from a moral standpoint and in general practice.

Morally, both parties have ups and downs. Republicans just get a bad rap because their ideologies include a lot of unpleasant truths and favor those who are more self-reliant in comparison to the blind idealism and "everyone should help everyone no matter what" mantra of the Democrats. It's just easier to push the Democrat mantra because it sounds nicer. The truth is that without a major push to reform cultural behavior to encourage responsible behavior and self-reliance, the US is doomed to collapse under the weight of those who do nothing but take from society.

I've said it before though, all they need to do is remove the mandate and the whole dogshit Obamacare system will collapse.
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Rasmoh posted...

The truth is that without a major push to reform cultural behavior to encourage responsible behavior and self-reliance, the US is doomed to collapse under the weight of those who do nothing but take from society.

Seriously. We need to do something about all the super poor red states draining from federal funds by not looking out for themselves and not producing anything valuable.
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Lightning Bolt posted...

Seriously. We need to do something about all the super poor red states draining from federal funds by not looking out for themselves and not producing anything valuable.

I enjoy your dishonest use of the "poor Red states" meme, despite the proven fact that the groups that overwhelmingly vote Blue are the poorest and most welfare-reliant.

But I'm not against cutting off anyone who leeches too much, Red or Blue.
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Rasmoh posted...

despite the proven fact that the groups that overwhelmingly vote Blue are the poorest and most welfare-reliant.

My lie detector just broke

LIES
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Jen0125 posted...

My lie detector just broke

53% of voters who make under 50k per year voted for Clinton, compared to 41% of voters making under 50k per year voting for Trump. Every income bracket over 50k per year had more people vote for Trump than Clinton.
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Rasmoh posted...

Jen0125 posted...

My lie detector just broke

53% of voters who make under 50k per year voted for Clinton, compared to 41% of voters making under 50k per year voting for Trump. Every income bracket over 50k per year had more people vote for Trump than Clinton.

That doesn't mean that blue states are using more welfare. That has nothing to do with who is using the entitlement programs more.
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Jen0125 posted...

That doesn't mean that blue states are using more welfare. That has nothing to do with who is using the entitlement programs more.

Using states as the method of presenting the facts is a deliberately misleading way to state the facts though. There are more welfare recipients in New York City alone than any red state. Also, in many red states, the largest amount of welfare recipients live in blue counties or cities, such as Atlanta, Memphis, New Orleans, Miami, Detroit, etc.

Also, does it not go without saying that the poorest people are the ones using the most welfare?
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

Health care (at least at a basic survival level) is a right within civilized society. Anything that strengthens a nation is important for its general wellbeing. Greater good >>>>>> individual.

Health care is not a right. You have the right to seek it but you are not entitled to the services of another by mere virtue of your existence.

And the "greater good" can go screw. Nothing is more important than an individual
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Self reliance is a nice idea, but this a country were health care is more expensive than any developed country (while offering a fraction of the coverage), and wages have not kept of with the modern cost of living. Its possible to work full time, and still make poverty wages.

MirMiros posted...

but this a country were health care is more expensive than any developed country (while offering a fraction of the coverage), and wages have not kept of with the modern cost of living.

While this is true, a lot of this is largely symptomatic from the "blame everyone but the culprit" culture that is so prevalent in the US. The medical industry is a clusterfuck of bloated expenses resulting from bullshit lawsuits, insurance monopolies, deliberately unhealthy people constantly needing healthcare, drug R&D, etc.

The wages portion is almost worse because people love to spout off about an ambiguous living wage that always seems to include luxuries.

It's not hard to escape poverty if you live responsibly. I did it, I know tons of other people who have done it. It really is just a matter of living responsibly and working towards advancing your life.
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Rasmoh posted...

Using states as the method of presenting the facts is a deliberately misleading way to state the facts though.

Not really. I was talking more about governance and policies. Red policies apparently equal a poor state.

I don't really care what people get in welfare and what they think about it. I would assume that Democrats get more welfare because it'd take some crazy cognitive dissonance to be a Republican on welfare, but that really doesn't say anything about the effectiveness of the policies.
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Rasmoh posted...

MirMiros posted...

but this a country were health care is more expensive than any developed country (while offering a fraction of the coverage), and wages have not kept of with the modern cost of living.

It's not hard to escape poverty if you live responsibly. I did it, I know tons of other people who have done it. It really is just a matter of living responsibly and working towards advancing your life.

A single piece of anecdotal evidence means nothing.

Rasmoh posted...

Jen0125 posted...

That doesn't mean that blue states are using more welfare. That has nothing to do with who is using the entitlement programs more.

Using states as the method of presenting the facts is a deliberately misleading way to state the facts though.

I agree, we should abolish the electoral college.

streamofthesky posted...

Rasmoh posted...

Jen0125 posted...

That doesn't mean that blue states are using more welfare. That has nothing to do with who is using the entitlement programs more.

Using states as the method of presenting the facts is a deliberately misleading way to state the facts though.

I agree, we should abolish the electoral college.

Good idea Rasmoh.
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