Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ Dark Samus Raiden Lightning Morrigan Poison Dizzy vs. Diablo and Chrom

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Would RLH literally cover every single combatant considering the distance and AoE? Would it even be 5 seconds of Hose considering he has to actually decide to use it and gather the situation?

yeah, I don't see boosted Dark Samus/Raiden/Lightning dying in five seconds
- Red Lightning Hose has around a 3-second windup, so that takes up most of the stun time
- the beam is fairly narrow, so I'm not sure it can catch all of them simultaneously. he could sweep it from side to side, but then he's sacrificing constant damage
- also I'm not sure if the beam pierces. if not, then anyone who's standing behind someone else is okay
- in general I think that one-shot arguments are pretty overblown. like, do you think that Diablo never canonically landed an Apocalypse combo against the Nephalem ever? or do you see Nephalem being just that much more tanky than the enemy team? personally I don't see either.

also, only one of Dark Samus/Raiden/Lightning has to survive in order for them + backup from Dizzy to be able to clean up. and they're all pretty tanky.

Team Dizzy
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Diablo is one of those characters that I feel like Dizzy would have no reservations using her full power on once her passive goes down.
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But there is still 25 seconds before dizzy gets there,they dont have time to heal and Diablo heals wth like every attack
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It's 1.5s not 3s. That's actually explicitly defined on the wiki and I'm pretty sure it's accurate. And yes the beam pierces
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Diablo
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Lopen posted...

It's 1.5s not 3s. That's actually explicitly defined on the wiki and I'm pretty sure it's accurate. And yes the beam pierces

oh, okay. it seemed like longer from the video I watched but if it says on the wiki I'll go with that. but all three major combatants are still pretty tanky and I really don't see them dying in 3.5 seconds.
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Also it isn't as if when they are unstunned they would be fully functional, Drak. They would be eating a RLH from a knocked out state. Like I think one thing to 'consider' is say they are alive... are they in great shape? Diablo is a legit threat and if they are badly wounded he'd probably finish them easily.
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Team Dizzy.

My vote still stands. Like drak says, I just don't think Diablo can kill Raiden AND Damus AND Lightning in 3.5 seconds. It's just a lot to ask of him.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Also it isn't as if when they are unstunned they would be fully functional, Drak. They would be eating a RLH from a knocked out state. Like I think one thing to 'consider' is say they are alive... are they in great shape? Diablo is a legit threat and if they are badly wounded he'd probably finish them easily.

Finish 3 people who have self-healing options in an area where this easily kiteable opponent is?

Like, seriously? Damus even flies, Diablo doesn't really have a counter to that.

Not sure the premise of 'Diablo is kitable' when 'RLH is a pretty big cone in a small arena'

Also the 3.5 second thing is silly. If you cripple someone who is defenseless in 3.5 seconds even if they aren't dead they are crippled. FMV people, not turn based jrpg. They aren't at 20% health. They have internal injuries or missing parts.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Not sure the premise of 'Diablo is kitable' when 'RLH is a pretty big cone in a small arena'

Also the 3.5 second thing is silly. If you cripple someone who is defenseless in 3.5 seconds even if they aren't dead they are crippled. FMV people, not turn based jrpg. They aren't at 20% health. They have internal injuries or missing parts.

Considering Raiden has feats for operating without arms and Damus survives getting blown up repeatedly, I mean

Not sure this is an argument you wanna champion
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Also RLH isn't a cone don't be silly

It's a line. A literal straight line that's a person wide. He can sweep it, but it's no dragon breath covering a full area at once.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Not sure the premise of 'Diablo is kitable' when 'RLH is a pretty big cone in a small arena'

Also the 3.5 second thing is silly. If you cripple someone who is defenseless in 3.5 seconds even if they aren't dead they are crippled. FMV people, not turn based jrpg. They aren't at 20% health. They have internal injuries or missing parts.

Damus is a sentient being of Phazon, Raiden is a full body cyborg and Lightning is a goddess. All of these are candidates for "Can operate while severely injured". Lightning less so, but Damus and Raiden would be the ones on the frontlines while Lightning heals herself up.

If they are in that entrance area what stops him from doing the roar that sends the guy back in the gate video and then when they are knocked against the wall just unloading with the rlh. thats hitting everything and can be done in the 5 seconds
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I have long held that something like RLH/Ultima etc nukes the hell out of Raiden. He's just made out of cyborg parts, which works in his universe but against RLH he is, drum roll please, hosed.

Damus maybe, in fairness. Big maybe for me, but Raiden is fucked.
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I have no idea how Diablo beats Dizzy, even if RLH manages to somehow down all three of the main fighters beforehand.
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I think a 25% boosted Diablo beats a Dizzy that at first relies on Poison for orders.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I have long held that something like RLH/Ultima etc nukes the hell out of Raiden. He's just made out of cyborg parts, which works in his universe but against RLH he is, drum roll please, hosed.

Damus maybe, in fairness. Big maybe for me, but Raiden is fucked.

So considering someone like Lightning fights things like the prime evil in his peak in her own universe surely she could tank it with no issue, right?

Lightning's a bad ass bitch but completely unguarded, full on shot? No she's dead.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Also the 3.5 second thing is silly. If you cripple someone who is defenseless in 3.5 seconds even if they aren't dead they are crippled. FMV people, not turn based jrpg. They aren't at 20% health. They have internal injuries or missing parts.

I feel like this underestimates the durability of these guys in general.

Like, turn the tables. Say that Diablo's frozen for the first 5 seconds of the fight, and Dark Samus gets 5 seconds of free Phazon blasts at him. Or Raiden gets 5 seconds of uninterrupted blade attacks. I think the notion that Diablo dies from that is laughable, and he's not going to be "crippled" either -- it's just 5 seconds, dude is mostly okay.

Dark Samus is comparably tanky imo. Raiden/Lightning not quite as much, but they're still reasonably tanky. They are not in absolute top form but they take injuries in-game and keep on fighting through them, they'll manage.
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I take this Diablo over Dizzy no problem.

It's still Damus that's giving me pause, since she's boosted too. And if she survives the opening attack is going to clone up and start flying.
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I think putting Diablo's tankiness in the same weight class as anyone else here is a fucking joke tbh.
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Like Damus we'll set aside for a second, but raiden/lightning especially they are not 'eat shit for days' style tanks.
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that's what I said! they are "reasonably tanky" though not on Diablo's level
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

but raiden/lightning especially they are not 'eat shit for days' style tanks.

Isn't that literally what Armstrong did to him? He literally had him stunned and placed into the ground for more than 5 seconds after wailing on him for an entire fight beforehand. Then he literally did it into the back of Metal Gear Excel until it exploded.

And Raiden was fine.

Is that not a feat of tanking or is armstrong a basic bitch jobber now?

Armstrong is not a jobber, no

but Diablo is way more powerful than him
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Alany I have to admit I get sick of you comparing brute physical attacks which I have just stated Raiden can tank to a piercing magical attack. Like my god can your brain not tell the difference?
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Maybe it is just my undying love of the Pokemon but type of damage matters, damnit.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Alany I have to admit I get sick of you comparing brute physical attacks which I have just stated Raiden can tank to a piercing magical attack. Like my god can your brain not tell the difference?

RLH is not a piercing magical attack so that's irrelevant tbqh
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Lightning pierces armor, learn to lightning tbh
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it makes sense since lightning hits at a very fine point at a large speed/energy, and a concentrated force in one small area causes the local piercing effect. similar to why telephone poles can control tornado missile design over, like, cars.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Lightning pierces armor, learn to lightning tbh

https://youtu.be/eJ8E76DIYto?t=1m42s
I think Raiden already did.

Hell, considering this scene he's probably immune as fuck to lightning.

That part I don't buy

Like, just because Kefka uses Firaga doesn't mean he's immune (or even resistant) to fire

Unless we are going full Pokemon and theorizing that Raiden is an electric-type
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Drakeryn posted...

That part I don't buy

Like, just because Kefka uses Firaga doesn't mean he's immune (or even resistant) to fire

Unless we are going full Pokemon and theorizing that Raiden is an electric-type

Electric metal type huh? Wonder if we should get a trainer support character who can apply types to people hue

Even if Raiden was immune to lightning (he's not) red lightning hose would deal fire damage to him anyway
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Lopen posted...

Even if Raiden was immune to lightning (he's not) red lightning hose would deal fire damage to him anyway

Yeah, but as seen with the armstrong boss battle he's pretty resilient to flames and explosions.

Not really. Armstrong doesn't really use any of those fire attacks in cutscene. Canon could just be Raiden dodged all that stuff.
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maybe canon is raiden never faced those attacks, armstrong solely punched like john cena
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Armstrong's 5 Knuckle Shuffle was pretty lame
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BPRRRRRRRRPH APPLEDOUGH

when i'm drunk i like to watch john cena matches. i have no idea why.
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After corrections: Damus still solos

Hell, I'd almost give Raiden the solo
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X_Dante_X posted...

BPRRRRRRRRPH APPLEDOUGH

when i'm drunk i like to watch john cena matches. i have no idea why.

Well dammit now I wanna get drunk and watch John Cena
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Does Alany always vote how Kanz does
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well to be fair to the two of them they PROBABLY became friends because of similar tastes
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but yes they do
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StealThisSheen posted...

Does Alany always vote how Kanz does

No, there's been several exceptions.

Several meaning more than a few well maybe.

Several in the traditional sense-- more of a stretch.
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Its pretty irritating that kanz is 1/5 of the voterbase its true
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Diablo

It doesn't matter what the enemy can do when its opponent has the perfect setup to neutralize them before they can do anything. The arena, coupled with the power used, coupled with Diablo probably using RLH against stunned opponents is too strong. The spell needs to be moved out of to survive by enemies that have as much if not more durability than the enemies here. No defensive measures can be used due to start of battle stun.

Raiden's main forte is being so quick he never really gets hit. It is a complete hard counter to him

Lightning and Morrigan have no chance of surviving with relatively lower durability. Dark Samus may live but with what damage? And that is not even considering damage he would take from the non-Diablo character as well. Dark Samus likely would not even have a functioning suit after the initial attack.

And, yes, Diablo killing the late comers seems quite easy to me.
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