Current Events > Who do you side with in the Angry Joe vs Subscribers debate?

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That's a completely arbitrary requirement for having a Patreon that you've concocted. How do you know that someone didn't quit their day job to focus more creating the same type of content? There could be a multitude of reasons for someone starting up a Patreon account that don't just involve greed. Patreon doesn't exist for the sole purpose of supporting and only supporting side projects.
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Literally nobody said anything about requirements.

You're putting words in people's mouths just so you can pretend not to understand them solely so you can argue, it's pathetic.

"So mr President why are you planning to nuke Norway?"

"I'm not. Nobody ever said or implied anything of the sort"

"OH so since when was it a requirement to eat bananas before you killed baby camels! Mr President? So why are so happy to nuke them!?"

It's the ramblings of a madman.
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neither. don't care about any of this shit either way
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Both sides actually but Joe is handling it like a spoiled brat so it makes him look bad. I enjoy Angry Joe but he's acting a bit like a baby right now.
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DuranOfForcena posted...

you have continually said that it is a requirement

No I ddin't.

You're arguing with ghosts. It's silly.
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Jabodie posted...

TheBiggerWiggle posted...

It might be different if his movie reviews were good, but they just suck ass.

His older ones were actually pretty good imo.

The ones where it was just him, and formatted a lot like his game reviews (though there were no skits).

I'm convinced he has the four others there to pump out minutes a lot faster than he could do by himself.

This... His movie reviews went down in quality really quickly, and he sorta regurgitates popular opinions sometimes.

If you wanna watch an actual good movie impressions video, pretty much watch Cinema Snob/Brad and his Midnight Screenings series. He's significantly more fair and makes very interesting points about every movie
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DuranOfForcena posted...

you have made it clear in every post you have made on the subject that if someone is using Patreon who doesn't have multiple projects going, then they are douchey.

No I did not.

Can you go a single post without making some shit up?
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I never really liked Angry Joe, he's always come across as needlessly caustic even for a gimmick "grr!! angry vidya game dude!!" channel, and he's so up his own ass sometimes. I'm certainly not losing any sleep over this.

I mean, I support his decision - it's his channel, if he wants to retool it to make content that he likes then I'm down with that. But I don't entirely blame his fans, either. Video game reviews are what made Angry Joe who he is, and you'd hope that after covering them for so many years he'd stick to his guns. Do movie reviews, expand your repertoire - whatever you need to make it through the day. But if a game-focused Youtube channel decides to stop covering video games for as long as four months, then they're going to lose viewers who wanted to hear them talk about video games.

Of course, fans are almost always batshit crazy - especially when your subscriber base goes up into the millions. Just recently there's been drama involving the Game Grumps over that Dream Daddy game - one dummied-out ending has turned a budding fanbase into a venomous cesspit of garbage in less than a month, and it's over some stupid dogshit that has no bearing on the game itself. When the myth grows larger than the real person, then dehumanisation takes over and both praise and criticism gets extremely ugly.

I think Angry Joe made the wrong choice. Dude should maybe do a retro game series, something to tide his fans over instead of switching gears to a wider multimedia scope at the expense of his video game coverage. But I sincerely doubt that every negative thing being thrown his way is justified, because I imagine a lot of that backlash is beyond calling him a hack now, and is particularly more vitriolic and heinous.
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Angry Joe is a Hispanic game critic not to be confused with AVGN who makes 20-30 minute long "Angry Review" videos

Now, you lost me. Are we talking about this guy or not? https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/youtube/images/8/82/Angry-Joe-Vargas.png/revision/latest?cb=20141127220241

hundreds of thousands unsubbed, swarmed his social media, e-mail, real mail and comment sections with bile and death threats

Your first amendment allows death threats and harassing? Seems like the fanbase is just bunch of entitled dicks. It sucks to lose a channel or seeing it changing, but Joe doesn't owe anything to his subs. Its his channel, if he wants to do something else its his right.
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Joe had a terrible, unprofessional initial response, but since he later clarified and considering the substance of his message, I'm in agreement with his decision. He just went about saying it the wrong way and came off as a complete jackass even if he's totally right - he's provided a lot of content, he deserves a break from dedicated projects if he wants.
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I've never really liked Angry Joe, but throwing a fit over something like this is really childish and makes the people doing it look pathetic and lacking in a life
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Sami1000 posted...

Angry Joe is a Hispanic game critic not to be confused with AVGN who makes 20-30 minute long "Angry Review" videos

Now, you lost me. Are we talking about this guy or not? https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/youtube/images/8/82/Angry-Joe-Vargas.png/revision/latest?cb=20141127220241

Yeah that guy.

A lot of people confuse him with AVGN because of the "angry" or else assume he was a rip off

Which is a shame because they are very different and are also friends
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Sami1000 posted...

Angry Joe is a Hispanic game critic not to be confused with AVGN who makes 20-30 minute long "Angry Review" videos

Now, you lost me. Are we talking about this guy or not? https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/youtube/images/8/82/Angry-Joe-Vargas.png/revision/latest?cb=20141127220241

Yeah that guy.

A lot of people confuse him with AVGN because of the "angry" or else assume he was a rip off

Which is a shame because they are very different and are also friends

Ok. Hey, if his channel bombs he should make a new one. ASMR videos. There's already shit ton of people who likes ASMR for relaxation. He could call himself the "angry whisperer".
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BTW if you want a laugh, here's an old video of Joe begging them not to cancel Aliens Colonial Marines:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzQCW9KTsUY
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If you want a laugh, go back to the temper tantrum he threw over Nintendo not allowing him to post videos of their games and how he acted like they were completely ruining him even though he barely ever did Nintendo stuff.
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

If you want a laugh, go back to the temper tantrum he threw over Nintendo not allowing him to post videos of their games and how he acted like they were completely ruining him even though he barely ever did Nintendo stuff.

To be fair to Joe, Nintendo's reponse to Lets Players has always been terrible.

Even Nintendo of America realize how off the path Nintendo of Japan is.

Nintendo doesn't seem to understand that Lets Plays and Reviews are good for everyone. Instead trying to pinch pennies from their biggest fans is kinda sad.

Honestly I would avoid Nintendo entirely if I was making content like this
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Poll is dead even so far
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Joe doesn't owe the fans anything and can post what he wants AND the fans don't owe Joe views for him producing stuff they don't want to watch.
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fair, if he didn't want people to be angry at him he shouldn't have made his gimmick being an angry guy
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OwlRammer posted...

fair, if he didn't want people to be angry at him he shouldn't have made his gimmick being an angry guy

To be fair to the guy he really isn't all that angry.

It's just kinda that the nickname is 9 years old now so he can't really change it.
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Joe's right, but he could have worded stuff better. But to people saying he's stopped with his game reviews (or has slowed down) he hasn't, hes actually been pumping out the same amount of reviews this year than last year. Last year he made 18 game reviews total, this year he's made 9 (excluding a 40 minute switch unboxing/vlog/first impressions). Last year at this time (August), he made 12 reviews, 3 of which were in a "mini" style, which were only 10-15 minutes long with just voiceover over gameplay. So you can say last year at this time he made 9 real reviews, compared to this years 9 reviews.

He can take a vacation if he wants, during the slow season in gaming too, it's not like he's going away in October/November. If he never made a schedule, no one would be saying a word because a 4 month gap between reviews isn't even new for him.
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There's nothing wrong with Joe taking time off but he didn't communicate his grievances well at first which is the only reason why this is an issue.
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Doe posted...

There's nothing wrong with Joe taking time off but he didn't communicate his grievances well at first which is the only reason why this is an issue.

Uhuh
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Just imagine taking time off of playing video for a living. Even worse, imagine thinking you deserve to take time off after skipping a ton of major games for almost 2 years now. I don't watch Angry Joe but I do see where some of his fans are coming from.

People subscribed to his channel for his video games reviews. Not for his poorly done movie reviews, boring streams, or cheap way to get views movie trailer reactions. The man needs to learn how to take criticism. On the other hand, some of the fans care way too much about this.
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Apocalyptic posted...

Just imagine taking time off of playing video for a living.

"Just imagine taking time off from running while holding a ball for a living!"

Never understood this bizarre and immensely stupid attempt to try and hide the fact you don't have much of a point by intentionally downplaying what someone's job entails. It just makes your point look weaker, not stronger.

Odds are like him or not Joe works harder than you do. Run his own company, has employees, does his own writing/editing/filming/taxes as well as running his channel.

In fact he is not stopping playing/talking about games in his vacation, the vacation is for the 70-200 hours of work he puts into the reviews
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Poll is dead even

What I love about this debate is how split everyone is on it.

Go to Joe's channel. It's 50-50. Go to Youtube or Twtitter or Reddit or near any message board, it's 50-50. Listen to other Youtubers comment on it? It's 50-50.

Eveywhere you look there's "I don't like Joe but he's right" and "I love Joe but he's wrong."

This is one of the most divisive issues I have ever seen. It's amazing.
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Go ahead and unsub but fuck off with the death threats
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