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NadYobWoc 07/31/17 3:50:17 PM #51:	Damn_Underscore posted... Left-wing and right-wing are such meaningless terms They really, really are. --- Cowboy Dan's a major player in the cowboy scene <cite>NadYobWoc posted [p:883938721] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>Left-wing and right-wing are such meaningless terms</quote> They really, really are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/31/17 3:51:49 PM #52:	Damn_Underscore posted... Left-wing and right-wing are such meaningless terms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:883938811] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>Left-wing and right-wing are such meaningless terms</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 07/31/17 3:52:52 PM #53:	NadYobWoc posted... darkphoenix181 posted... NadYobWoc posted... I see you still havent overcome the urge to argue exclusively through strawmen and non-sequiturs. I see you still cannot provide counterpoints when faced with evidence vs. you having no evidence. Evidence of what? No one tried to claim Scandinavia was strictly socialist. You got irked that I called it capitalist. Yet, it is. Wiki says it is. The definition of socialism says it is: Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production; as well as the political ideologies, theories, and movements that aim to establish them. Social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms.[5][14][15] and yet in the nordic model, the means of production is owned by whom? can you fill in the blank? --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:883938861] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>NadYobWoc posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NadYobWoc posted...</cite> <quote> I see you still havent overcome the urge to argue exclusively through strawmen and non-sequiturs.</quote> I see you still cannot provide counterpoints when faced with evidence vs. you having no evidence.</quote> Evidence of what? No one tried to claim Scandinavia was strictly socialist.</quote> You got irked that I called it capitalist. Yet, it is. Wiki says it is. The definition of socialism says it is: <quote> Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production; as well as the political ideologies, theories, and movements that aim to establish them. Social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms.[5][14][15] </quote> and yet in the nordic model, the means of production is owned by whom? can you fill in the blank?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
luigi13579 07/31/17 3:53:16 PM #54:	darkphoenix181 posted... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model The Nordic model (also called Nordic capitalism[1] or Nordic social democracy)[2][3] refers to the economic and social policies common to the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, Iceland, and Sweden). This includes a combination of free market capitalism with a comprehensive welfare state and collective bargaining at the national level.[4][5] The Nordic model began to earn attention after World War II.[6] Little product market regulation. Nordic countries rank very high in product market freedom according to OECD rankings.[11] The Nordic model is underpinned by a free market capitalist economic system that features high degrees of private ownership[5] with the exception of Norway, which includes a large number of state-owned enterprises and state ownership in publicly listed firms.[26] The Nordic model is described as a system of competitive capitalism combined with a large percentage of the population employed by the public sector (roughly 30% of the work force).[27] In 2013, The Economist described its countries as "stout free-traders who resist the temptation to intervene even to protect iconic companies" while also looking for ways to temper capitalism's harsher effects, and declared that the Nordic countries "are probably the best-governed in the world".[27][28] Some economists have referred to the Nordic economic model as a form of "cuddly" capitalism, with low levels of inequality, generous welfare states and reduced concentration of top incomes, and contrast it with the more "cut-throat" capitalism of the United States, which has high levels of inequality and a larger concentration of top incomes.[11][29][30] I've bolded the large parts of the above that you ignored. The Nordic countries have elements of both capitalism and socialism (they aren't mutually exclusive). I don't know anyone who would argue to the contrary. <cite>luigi13579 posted [p:883938883] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model <quote>The Nordic model (also called Nordic capitalism[1] or Nordic social democracy)[2][3] refers to the economic and social policies common to the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, Iceland, and Sweden). This includes a combination of free market capitalism with a comprehensive welfare state and collective bargaining at the national level.[4][5] The Nordic model began to earn attention after World War II.[6]</quote> <quote>Little product market regulation. Nordic countries rank very high in product market freedom according to OECD rankings.[11]</quote> <quote>The Nordic model is underpinned by a free market capitalist economic system that features high degrees of private ownership[5] with the exception of Norway, which includes a large number of state-owned enterprises and state ownership in publicly listed firms.[26] The Nordic model is described as a system of competitive capitalism combined with a large percentage of the population employed by the public sector (roughly 30% of the work force).[27] In 2013, The Economist described its countries as "stout free-traders who resist the temptation to intervene even to protect iconic companies" while also looking for ways to temper capitalism's harsher effects, and declared that the Nordic countries "are probably the best-governed in the world".[27][28] Some economists have referred to the Nordic economic model as a form of "cuddly" capitalism, with low levels of inequality, generous welfare states and reduced concentration of top incomes, and contrast it with the more "cut-throat" capitalism of the United States, which has high levels of inequality and a larger concentration of top incomes.[11][29][30]</quote></quote> I've bolded the large parts of the above that you ignored. The Nordic countries have elements of both capitalism and socialism (they aren't mutually exclusive). I don't know anyone who would argue to the contrary.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 07/31/17 3:54:23 PM #55:	@luigi13579 posted... darkphoenix181 posted... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model The Nordic model (also called Nordic capitalism[1] or Nordic social democracy)[2][3] refers to the economic and social policies common to the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, Iceland, and Sweden). This includes a combination of free market capitalism with a comprehensive welfare state and collective bargaining at the national level.[4][5] The Nordic model began to earn attention after World War II.[6] Little product market regulation. Nordic countries rank very high in product market freedom according to OECD rankings.[11] The Nordic model is underpinned by a free market capitalist economic system that features high degrees of private ownership[5] with the exception of Norway, which includes a large number of state-owned enterprises and state ownership in publicly listed firms.[26] The Nordic model is described as a system of competitive capitalism combined with a large percentage of the population employed by the public sector (roughly 30% of the work force).[27] In 2013, The Economist described its countries as "stout free-traders who resist the temptation to intervene even to protect iconic companies" while also looking for ways to temper capitalism's harsher effects, and declared that the Nordic countries "are probably the best-governed in the world".[27][28] Some economists have referred to the Nordic economic model as a form of "cuddly" capitalism, with low levels of inequality, generous welfare states and reduced concentration of top incomes, and contrast it with the more "cut-throat" capitalism of the United States, which has high levels of inequality and a larger concentration of top incomes.[11][29][30] I've bolded the large parts of the above that you ignored. The Nordic countries have elements of both capitalism and socialism (they aren't mutually exclusive). I don't know anyone who would argue to the contrary. who owns the means of production? --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:883938948] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>@luigi13579 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model <quote>The Nordic model (also called Nordic capitalism[1] or Nordic social democracy)[2][3] refers to the economic and social policies common to the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, Iceland, and Sweden). This includes a combination of free market capitalism with a comprehensive welfare state and collective bargaining at the national level.[4][5] The Nordic model began to earn attention after World War II.[6]</quote> <quote>Little product market regulation. Nordic countries rank very high in product market freedom according to OECD rankings.[11]</quote> <quote>The Nordic model is underpinned by a free market capitalist economic system that features high degrees of private ownership[5] with the exception of Norway, which includes a large number of state-owned enterprises and state ownership in publicly listed firms.[26] The Nordic model is described as a system of competitive capitalism combined with a large percentage of the population employed by the public sector (roughly 30% of the work force).[27] In 2013, The Economist described its countries as "stout free-traders who resist the temptation to intervene even to protect iconic companies" while also looking for ways to temper capitalism's harsher effects, and declared that the Nordic countries "are probably the best-governed in the world".[27][28] Some economists have referred to the Nordic economic model as a form of "cuddly" capitalism, with low levels of inequality, generous welfare states and reduced concentration of top incomes, and contrast it with the more "cut-throat" capitalism of the United States, which has high levels of inequality and a larger concentration of top incomes.[11][29][30]</quote></quote> I've bolded the large parts of the above that you ignored. The Nordic countries have elements of both capitalism and socialism (they aren't mutually exclusive). I don't know anyone who would argue to the contrary.</quote> who owns the means of production?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
luigi13579 07/31/17 3:55:32 PM #56:	darkphoenix181 posted... who owns the means of production? In Norway, both the state and private companies, according to the information that you even quoted. <cite>luigi13579 posted [p:883939026] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>who owns the means of production?</quote> In Norway, both the state and private companies, according to the information that you even quoted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/31/17 3:56:09 PM #57:	Sephiroth1288 posted... NadYobWoc posted... darkphoenix181 posted... NadYobWoc posted... I see you still havent overcome the urge to argue exclusively through strawmen and non-sequiturs. I see you still cannot provide counterpoints when faced with evidence vs. you having no evidence. Evidence of what? No one tried to claim Scandinavia was strictly socialist. Nor did I I merely pointed out that the one example people have of a fascist right-wing government had more socialist qualities than the left's favorite examples of countries where their ideas actually work to some degree. Wait. So is socialism right-wing or were the Nazis left-wing? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:883939078] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NadYobWoc posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NadYobWoc posted...</cite> <quote> I see you still havent overcome the urge to argue exclusively through strawmen and non-sequiturs.</quote> I see you still cannot provide counterpoints when faced with evidence vs. you having no evidence.</quote> Evidence of what? No one tried to claim Scandinavia was strictly socialist.</quote> Nor did I I merely pointed out that the one example people have of a fascist right-wing government had more socialist qualities than the left's favorite examples of countries where their ideas actually work to some degree.</quote> Wait. So is socialism right-wing or were the Nazis left-wing?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/31/17 3:58:51 PM #58:	literal_garbage posted... Um I checked Wikipedia SJW logic, folks. hockeybub89 posted... Wait. So is socialism right-wing or were the Nazis left-wing? The Nazis were further to the left than Scandinavian countries are. Let me know if you need this put in shorter words. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:883939225] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>literal_garbage posted...</cite> <quote>Um I checked Wikipedia</quote> SJW logic, folks. <cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Wait. So is socialism right-wing or were the Nazis left-wing?</quote> The Nazis were further to the left than Scandinavian countries are. Let me know if you need this put in shorter words.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
literal_garbage 07/31/17 3:59:55 PM #59:	Sephiroth1288 posted... literal_garbage posted... Um I checked Wikipedia SJW logic, folks. Um they linked to this thing that had a bunch of paper in it with a lot of words and I don't know who to believe anymore what do I do --- - literal garbage <cite>literal_garbage posted [p:883939281] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>literal_garbage posted...</cite> <quote>Um I checked Wikipedia</quote> SJW logic, folks.</quote> Um they linked to this thing that had a bunch of paper in it with a lot of words and I don't know who to believe anymore what do I do</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/31/17 4:04:27 PM #60:	Going to leave this here http://mattbruenig.com/2017/07/28/nordic-socialism-is-realer-than-you-think/ Even more interesting than Nordic labor market institutions is Nordic state ownership. Collective ownership over capital is the hallmark of that old-school socialism that is supposed to have been entirely discredited. And yet, such public ownership figures prominently in present-day Norway and Finland and has had a role in the other two Nordic countries as well, especially in Sweden where the government embarked upon a now-defunct plan to socialize the whole of Swedish industry into wage-earner funds just a few decades ago. The governments of Norway and Finland own financial assets equal to 330 percent and 130 percent of each country’s respective GDP. In the US, the same figure is just 26 percent. State-owned enterprises (SOEs), defined as commercial enterprises in which the state has a controlling stake or large minority stake, are also far more prevalent in the Nordic countries. In 2012, the value of Norwegian SOEs was equal to 87.9 percent of the country’s GDP. For Finland, that figure was 52.3 percent. In the US, it was not even 1 percent. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:883939531] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote>Going to leave this here http://mattbruenig.com/2017/07/28/nordic-socialism-is-realer-than-you-think/ <quote>Even more interesting than Nordic labor market institutions is Nordic state ownership. Collective ownership over capital is the hallmark of that old-school socialism that is supposed to have been entirely discredited. And yet, such public ownership figures prominently in present-day Norway and Finland and has had a role in the other two Nordic countries as well, especially in Sweden where the government embarked upon a now-defunct plan to socialize the whole of Swedish industry into wage-earner funds just a few decades ago. The governments of Norway and Finland own financial assets equal to 330 percent and 130 percent of each country’s respective GDP. In the US, the same figure is just 26 percent. State-owned enterprises (SOEs), defined as commercial enterprises in which the state has a controlling stake or large minority stake, are also far more prevalent in the Nordic countries. In 2012, the value of Norwegian SOEs was equal to 87.9 percent of the country’s GDP. For Finland, that figure was 52.3 percent. In the US, it was not even 1 percent.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 07/31/17 4:06:07 PM #61:	luigi13579 posted... darkphoenix181 posted... who owns the means of production? In Norway, both the state and private companies. thanks for answering while you are correct, this doesn't explain that the state owns 30% while the rest of the 60%+ is private https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Norway The role of the public sector. The ideological divide between socialist and non-socialist views on public ownership has decreased over time. The Norwegian government has sought to reduce its ownership over companies that require access to private capital markets, and there is an increasing emphasis on government facilitating entrepreneurship rather than controlling (or restricting) capital formation. A residual distrust of the "profit motive" persists, and Norwegian companies are heavily regulated, especially with respect to labor relations. --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:883939642] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>luigi13579 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>who owns the means of production?</quote> In Norway, both the state and private companies.</quote> thanks for answering while you are correct, this doesn't explain that the state owns 30% while the rest of the 60%+ is private https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Norway <quote>The role of the public sector. The ideological divide between socialist and non-socialist views on public ownership has decreased over time. The Norwegian government has sought to reduce its ownership over companies that require access to private capital markets, and there is an increasing emphasis on government facilitating entrepreneurship rather than controlling (or restricting) capital formation. A residual distrust of the "profit motive" persists, and Norwegian companies are heavily regulated, especially with respect to labor relations.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 07/31/17 4:07:20 PM #62:	@Antifar posted... Going to leave this here http://mattbruenig.com/2017/07/28/nordic-socialism-is-realer-than-you-think/ Even more interesting than Nordic labor market institutions is Nordic state ownership. Collective ownership over capital is the hallmark of that old-school socialism that is supposed to have been entirely discredited. And yet, such public ownership figures prominently in present-day Norway and Finland and has had a role in the other two Nordic countries as well, especially in Sweden where the government embarked upon a now-defunct plan to socialize the whole of Swedish industry into wage-earner funds just a few decades ago. The governments of Norway and Finland own financial assets equal to 330 percent and 130 percent of each country’s respective GDP. In the US, the same figure is just 26 percent. State-owned enterprises (SOEs), defined as commercial enterprises in which the state has a controlling stake or large minority stake, are also far more prevalent in the Nordic countries. In 2012, the value of Norwegian SOEs was equal to 87.9 percent of the country’s GDP. For Finland, that figure was 52.3 percent. In the US, it was not even 1 percent. so to clarify you are arguing that these countries are more socialist than capitalist? --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:883939706] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>@Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Going to leave this here http://mattbruenig.com/2017/07/28/nordic-socialism-is-realer-than-you-think/ <quote>Even more interesting than Nordic labor market institutions is Nordic state ownership. Collective ownership over capital is the hallmark of that old-school socialism that is supposed to have been entirely discredited. And yet, such public ownership figures prominently in present-day Norway and Finland and has had a role in the other two Nordic countries as well, especially in Sweden where the government embarked upon a now-defunct plan to socialize the whole of Swedish industry into wage-earner funds just a few decades ago. The governments of Norway and Finland own financial assets equal to 330 percent and 130 percent of each country’s respective GDP. In the US, the same figure is just 26 percent. State-owned enterprises (SOEs), defined as commercial enterprises in which the state has a controlling stake or large minority stake, are also far more prevalent in the Nordic countries. In 2012, the value of Norwegian SOEs was equal to 87.9 percent of the country’s GDP. For Finland, that figure was 52.3 percent. In the US, it was not even 1 percent.</quote></quote> so to clarify you are arguing that these countries are more socialist than capitalist?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/31/17 4:08:50 PM #63:	Sephiroth1288 posted... literal_garbage posted... Um I checked Wikipedia SJW logic, folks. hockeybub89 posted... Wait. So is socialism right-wing or were the Nazis left-wing? The Nazis were further to the left than Scandinavian countries are. Let me know if you need this put in shorter words. How do you figure? And why has no one else come to this conclusion? Also, what makes you more of a valid voice than sourced entries on Wikipedia? You and maybe some fringe right-wing blogs are about all that assert the Nazis as left-wing --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:883939812] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>literal_garbage posted...</cite> <quote>Um I checked Wikipedia</quote> SJW logic, folks. <cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Wait. So is socialism right-wing or were the Nazis left-wing?</quote> The Nazis were further to the left than Scandinavian countries are. Let me know if you need this put in shorter words.</quote> How do you figure? And why has no one else come to this conclusion? Also, what makes you more of a valid voice than sourced entries on Wikipedia? You and maybe some fringe right-wing blogs are about all that assert the Nazis as left-wing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/31/17 4:10:34 PM #64:	hockeybub89 posted... How do you figure? And why has no one else come to this conclusion? Plenty of people recognize that the Nazis were largely socialist. Maybe you should stop getting all your information from TYT and Salon (lookin at you, @Antifar ) --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:883939923] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>How do you figure? And why has no one else come to this conclusion?</quote> Plenty of people recognize that the Nazis were largely socialist. Maybe you should stop getting all your information from TYT and Salon (lookin at you, @Antifar )</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 07/31/17 4:12:38 PM #65:	Sephiroth1288 posted... hockeybub89 posted... How do you figure? And why has no one else come to this conclusion? Plenty of people recognize that the Nazis were largely socialist. Maybe you should stop getting all your information from TYT and Salon (lookin at you, @Antifar ) nazi were fascist left version of fascist is communist fascist and communist do many similar things if that is what is confusing you but there are fundamental differences --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:883940036] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>How do you figure? And why has no one else come to this conclusion?</quote> Plenty of people recognize that the Nazis were largely socialist. Maybe you should stop getting all your information from TYT and Salon (lookin at you, @Antifar )</quote> nazi were fascist left version of fascist is communist fascist and communist do many similar things if that is what is confusing you but there are fundamental differences</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
literal_garbage 07/31/17 4:16:07 PM #66:	Sephiroth1288 posted... hockeybub89 posted... How do you figure? And why has no one else come to this conclusion? Plenty of people recognize that the Nazis were largely socialist Uh oh, weasel word alert! --- - literal garbage <cite>literal_garbage posted [p:883940263] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>How do you figure? And why has no one else come to this conclusion?</quote> Plenty of people recognize that the Nazis were largely socialist</quote> Uh oh, weasel word alert!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/31/17 4:17:48 PM #67:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Maybe you should stop getting all your information from TYT and Salon (lookin at you, @Antifar ) I genuinely don't know where you get the idea that I'm a regular reader of these outlets. Like 60% of the shit I post here is NYT/Wapo. In These Times, Dissent, and Jacobin are far closer to my ideological bent than Young Turks and Salon. Does TYT even have articles? I basically never watch videos for this sort of thing. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:883940376] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe you should stop getting all your information from TYT and Salon (lookin at you, @Antifar ) </quote> I genuinely don't know where you get the idea that I'm a regular reader of these outlets. Like 60% of the shit I post here is NYT/Wapo. In These Times, Dissent, and Jacobin are far closer to my ideological bent than Young Turks and Salon. Does TYT even have articles? I basically never watch videos for this sort of thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CircleOfManias 07/31/17 4:18:21 PM #68:	By that logic, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is an argument against democracy, and any counterargument is a No True Democracy fallacy. --- Sick liaisons raise this monumental mark The sun sets forever over Blackwater Park <cite>CircleOfManias posted [p:883940409] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote>By that logic, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is an argument against democracy, and any counterargument is a No True Democracy fallacy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/31/17 4:19:19 PM #69:	Sephiroth1288 posted... hockeybub89 posted... How do you figure? And why has no one else come to this conclusion? Plenty of people recognize that the Nazis were largely socialist. Maybe you should stop getting all your information from TYT and Salon (lookin at you, @Antifar ) Yes, only Salon has called Nazi Germany right-wing. Yawn. "They were extremely nationalistic, authoritarian, and anti-equality but they claimed to be for the people and owned everything, so they were more left than the socialist paradises that liberals cheer about!" Dude. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:883940459] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>How do you figure? And why has no one else come to this conclusion?</quote> Plenty of people recognize that the Nazis were largely socialist. Maybe you should stop getting all your information from TYT and Salon (lookin at you, @Antifar )</quote> Yes, only Salon has called Nazi Germany right-wing. Yawn. "They were extremely nationalistic, authoritarian, and anti-equality but they claimed to be for the people and owned everything, so they were more left than the socialist paradises that liberals cheer about!" Dude.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/31/17 4:19:47 PM #70:	CircleOfManias posted... By that logic, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is an argument against democracy, and any counterargument is a No True Democracy fallacy. I'm pretty sure Mal has called them left-wing. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:883940491] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>CircleOfManias posted...</cite> <quote>By that logic, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is an argument against democracy, and any counterargument is a No True Democracy fallacy.</quote> I'm pretty sure Mal has called them left-wing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/31/17 4:22:16 PM #71:	CircleOfManias posted... By that logic, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is an argument against democracy, and any counterargument is a No True Democracy fallacy. Your choices being "Kim" or "labor camp" is still technically democracy. Those are incidentally the same places where the winner gets 99% of the votes, with a voter participation rate also in the high 90s. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:883940654] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>CircleOfManias posted...</cite> <quote>By that logic, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is an argument against democracy, and any counterargument is a No True Democracy fallacy.</quote> Your choices being "Kim" or "labor camp" is still technically democracy. Those are incidentally the same places where the winner gets 99% of the votes, with a voter participation rate also in the high 90s.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/31/17 4:22:32 PM #72:	hockeybub89 posted... "They were extremely nationalistic, authoritarian, and anti-equality but they claimed to be for the people and owned everything, Literally none of these things disqualifies them from being leftist. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:883940669] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> "They were extremely nationalistic, authoritarian, and anti-equality but they claimed to be for the people and owned everything,</quote> Literally none of these things disqualifies them from being leftist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
literal_garbage 07/31/17 5:00:45 PM #73:	hockeybub89 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... hockeybub89 posted... How do you figure? And why has no one else come to this conclusion? Plenty of people recognize that the Nazis were largely socialist. Maybe you should stop getting all your information from TYT and Salon (lookin at you, @Antifar ) Yes, only Salon has called Nazi Germany right-wing. Yawn. "They were extremely nationalistic, authoritarian, and anti-equality but they claimed to be for the people and owned everything, so they were more left than the socialist paradises that liberals cheer about!" Dude. academic sources are for cucks, don't ya know? --- - literal garbage <cite>literal_garbage posted [p:883942991] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>How do you figure? And why has no one else come to this conclusion?</quote> Plenty of people recognize that the Nazis were largely socialist. Maybe you should stop getting all your information from TYT and Salon (lookin at you, @Antifar )</quote> Yes, only Salon has called Nazi Germany right-wing. Yawn. "They were extremely nationalistic, authoritarian, and anti-equality but they claimed to be for the people and owned everything, so they were more left than the socialist paradises that liberals cheer about!" Dude.</quote> academic sources are for cucks, don't ya know?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/31/17 5:12:23 PM #74:	literal_garbage posted... hockeybub89 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... hockeybub89 posted... How do you figure? And why has no one else come to this conclusion? Plenty of people recognize that the Nazis were largely socialist. Maybe you should stop getting all your information from TYT and Salon (lookin at you, @Antifar ) Yes, only Salon has called Nazi Germany right-wing. Yawn. "They were extremely nationalistic, authoritarian, and anti-equality but they claimed to be for the people and owned everything, so they were more left than the socialist paradises that liberals cheer about!" Dude. academic sources are for cucks, don't ya know? He literally use the salon writer as a source. How "academic" --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:883943674] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>literal_garbage posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>How do you figure? And why has no one else come to this conclusion?</quote> Plenty of people recognize that the Nazis were largely socialist. Maybe you should stop getting all your information from TYT and Salon (lookin at you, @Antifar )</quote> Yes, only Salon has called Nazi Germany right-wing. Yawn. "They were extremely nationalistic, authoritarian, and anti-equality but they claimed to be for the people and owned everything, so they were more left than the socialist paradises that liberals cheer about!" Dude.</quote> academic sources are for cucks, don't ya know?</quote> He literally use the salon writer as a source. How "academic"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
literal_garbage 07/31/17 5:19:55 PM #75:	I'm not seeing a ton of salon links on this wikipedia page --- - literal garbage <cite>literal_garbage posted [p:883944135] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote>I'm not seeing a ton of salon links on this wikipedia page</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/31/17 5:30:11 PM #76:	literal_garbage posted... I'm not seeing a ton of salon links on this wikipedia page I'm not seeing any of links on the wiki that show how Nazi Germany was right wing despite the state controlling all the means of production. Or how they are right wing at all. The statement calling Nazism right wing has no citation. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:883944702] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>literal_garbage posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not seeing a ton of salon links on this wikipedia page</quote> I'm not seeing any of links on the wiki that show how Nazi Germany was right wing despite the state controlling all the means of production. Or how they are right wing at all. The statement calling Nazism right wing has no citation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
literal_garbage 07/31/17 5:32:27 PM #77:	Sephiroth1288 posted... literal_garbage posted... I'm not seeing a ton of salon links on this wikipedia page I'm not seeing any of links on the wiki that show how Nazi Germany was right wing despite the state controlling all the means of production. Or how they are right wing at all. The statement calling Nazism right wing has no citation. Did you try looking at the massive box on the right, sweetie? --- - literal garbage <cite>literal_garbage posted [p:883944833] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>literal_garbage posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not seeing a ton of salon links on this wikipedia page</quote> I'm not seeing any of links on the wiki that show how Nazi Germany was right wing despite the state controlling all the means of production. Or how they are right wing at all. The statement calling Nazism right wing has no citation.</quote> Did you try looking at the massive box on the right, sweetie?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/31/17 5:35:00 PM #78:	literal_garbage posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... literal_garbage posted... I'm not seeing a ton of salon links on this wikipedia page I'm not seeing any of links on the wiki that show how Nazi Germany was right wing despite the state controlling all the means of production. Or how they are right wing at all. The statement calling Nazism right wing has no citation. Did you try looking at the massive box on the right, sweetie? Nope, no citation. But feel free to post the citation you think proves the Nazis are right wing. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:883944978] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>literal_garbage posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>literal_garbage posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not seeing a ton of salon links on this wikipedia page</quote> I'm not seeing any of links on the wiki that show how Nazi Germany was right wing despite the state controlling all the means of production. Or how they are right wing at all. The statement calling Nazism right wing has no citation.</quote> Did you try looking at the massive box on the right, sweetie?</quote> Nope, no citation. But feel free to post the citation you think proves the Nazis are right wing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
literal_garbage 07/31/17 5:38:58 PM #79:	http://imgur.com/a/0OJNw Those numbers next to "far right" is what we call a citation. I should've been clearer, I know this is tough for you --- - literal garbage <cite>literal_garbage posted [p:883945243] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote>http://imgur.com/a/0OJNw Those numbers next to "far right" is what we call a citation. I should've been clearer, I know this is tough for you</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/31/17 5:39:54 PM #80:	Sephiroth1288 posted... hockeybub89 posted... "They were extremely nationalistic, authoritarian, and anti-equality but they claimed to be for the people and owned everything, Literally none of these things disqualifies them from being leftist. Government controlling things doesn't disqualify them from being right-wing either. For someone living outside the political dichotomy, you sure go out of your way to blame everything on one side. Again, why have you come to this obvious conclusion that historical and political scholars have not? What's your secret? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:883945305] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> "They were extremely nationalistic, authoritarian, and anti-equality but they claimed to be for the people and owned everything,</quote> Literally none of these things disqualifies them from being leftist.</quote> Government controlling things doesn't disqualify them from being right-wing either. For someone living outside the political dichotomy, you sure go out of your way to blame everything on one side. Again, why have you come to this obvious conclusion that historical and political scholars have not? What's your secret?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/31/17 5:52:08 PM #81:	literal_garbage posted... http://imgur.com/a/0OJNw Those numbers next to "far right" is what we call a citation. I should've been clearer, I know this is tough for you You didn't even look at those citations, did you? How embarrassing...... --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:883946024] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>literal_garbage posted...</cite> <quote>http://imgur.com/a/0OJNw Those numbers next to "far right" is what we call a citation. I should've been clearer, I know this is tough for you</quote> You didn't even look at those citations, did you? How embarrassing......</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/31/17 5:53:56 PM #82:	How far left are Sharia-ruled countries, Mal? The government is Islam and Islam tells everyone what to do. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:883946134] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote>How far left are Sharia-ruled countries, Mal? The government is Islam and Islam tells everyone what to do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
literal_garbage 07/31/17 6:02:43 PM #83:	Not to mention this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nazism&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop#Position_within_the_political_spectrum All of these damn dirty scholars with their history and shit --- - literal garbage <cite>literal_garbage posted [p:883946618] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote>Not to mention this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nazism&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop#Position_within_the_political_spectrum All of these damn dirty scholars with their history and shit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/31/17 7:15:34 PM #84:	literal_garbage posted... Not to mention this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nazism&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop#Position_within_the_political_spectrum All of these damn dirty scholars with their history and shit Lol Nazis = far right because right = raysism! Nope. Go to some actual leftist forums sometime and see how quickly they disprove this shit. This is the problem with using a community-edited website to argue a point. You wind up with nonsense conclusions like "it's not possible for a socialist to be racist". --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:883950360] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>literal_garbage posted...</cite> <quote>Not to mention this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nazism&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop#Position_within_the_political_spectrum All of these damn dirty scholars with their history and shit</quote> Lol Nazis = far right because right = raysism! Nope. Go to some actual leftist forums sometime and see how quickly they disprove this shit. This is the problem with using a community-edited website to argue a point. You wind up with nonsense conclusions like "it's not possible for a socialist to be racist".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 07/31/17 7:16:36 PM #85:	Have these guys been screaming at each other for the entire topic? No way I'm going back through to check. --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:883950406] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote>Have these guys been screaming at each other for the entire topic? No way I'm going back through to check.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/31/17 7:25:19 PM #86:	Sephiroth1288 posted... literal_garbage posted... Not to mention this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nazism&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop#Position_within_the_political_spectrum All of these damn dirty scholars with their history and shit Lol Nazis = far right because right = raysism! Nope. Go to some actual leftist forums sometime and see how quickly they disprove this shit. This is the problem with using a community-edited website to argue a point. You wind up with nonsense conclusions like "it's not possible for a socialist to be racist". Wait, sourced Wikipedia articles and the general consensus on Nazis means nothing, but "You can find leftists on forums that act like Nazis" is supposed to show Nazis are leftists? Is Richard Spencer hated by the left because he is the wrong type of leftist? I repeat, what is this secret you found that people didn't think of before you? You think you're the first person to see "socialism" in their name and know there was government control? "I don't care about the far-right elements of Nazi Germany. Their economy wasn't capitalist, so they are left-wing no matter what." --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:883950771] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>literal_garbage posted...</cite> <quote>Not to mention this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nazism&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop#Position_within_the_political_spectrum All of these damn dirty scholars with their history and shit</quote> Lol Nazis = far right because right = raysism! Nope. Go to some actual leftist forums sometime and see how quickly they disprove this shit. This is the problem with using a community-edited website to argue a point. You wind up with nonsense conclusions like "it's not possible for a socialist to be racist".</quote> Wait, sourced Wikipedia articles and the general consensus on Nazis means nothing, but "You can find leftists on forums that act like Nazis" is supposed to show Nazis are leftists? Is Richard Spencer hated by the left because he is the wrong type of leftist? I repeat, what is this secret you found that people didn't think of before you? You think you're the first person to see "socialism" in their name and know there was government control? "I don't care about the far-right elements of Nazi Germany. Their economy wasn't capitalist, so they are left-wing no matter what."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
literal_garbage 07/31/17 7:36:45 PM #87:	Mal is clearly smarter than people who have spent their career studying and writing books about this. Those leftist cucks have no idea what they're talking about! --- - literal garbage <cite>literal_garbage posted [p:883951356] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote>Mal is clearly smarter than people who have spent their career studying and writing books about this. Those leftist cucks have no idea what they're talking about!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/31/17 7:39:04 PM #88:	The argument over where Nazi Germany belongs on the political spectrum feels kinda silly to me. The problem with Nazi Germany wasn't that they're +9.5, +1.3 on some chart, it's that they killed millions of people --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:883951478] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote>The argument over where Nazi Germany belongs on the political spectrum feels kinda silly to me. The problem with Nazi Germany wasn't that they're +9.5, +1.3 on some chart, it's that they killed millions of people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NadYobWoc 07/31/17 7:40:02 PM #89:	darkphoenix181 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... hockeybub89 posted... How do you figure? And why has no one else come to this conclusion? Plenty of people recognize that the Nazis were largely socialist. Maybe you should stop getting all your information from TYT and Salon (lookin at you, @Antifar ) nazi were fascist left version of fascist is communist fascist and communist do many similar things if that is what is confusing you but there are fundamental differences This is a gross oversimplification --- Cowboy Dan's a major player in the cowboy scene <cite>NadYobWoc posted [p:883951527] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>How do you figure? And why has no one else come to this conclusion?</quote> Plenty of people recognize that the Nazis were largely socialist. Maybe you should stop getting all your information from TYT and Salon (lookin at you, @Antifar )</quote> nazi were fascist left version of fascist is communist fascist and communist do many similar things if that is what is confusing you but there are fundamental differences</quote> This is a gross oversimplification</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 07/31/17 7:48:42 PM #90:	Socialism does not work, except in tiny doses. I think this offends a lot of people because socialism (and communism maybe moreso) sounds nice on paper. It's a flowery, idealistic concept that generally ends in a bloody mess for everyone involved, eventually. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:883951956] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote>Socialism does not work, except in tiny doses. I think this offends a lot of people because socialism (and communism maybe moreso) sounds nice on paper. It's a flowery, idealistic concept that generally ends in a bloody mess for everyone involved, eventually.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/31/17 8:53:28 PM #91:	hockeybub89 posted... Wait, sourced Wikipedia articles and the general consensus on Nazis means nothing, If Nazis meeting the definition of socialism means nothing then certainly neither does one reference on a community-edited website equating right-wing politics with racism. Someone tell all those high school communist losers wearing Che Guevara shirts that they're wearing the visage of a filthy right winger! --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:883955571] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Wait, sourced Wikipedia articles and the general consensus on Nazis means nothing, </quote> If Nazis meeting the definition of socialism means nothing then certainly neither does one reference on a community-edited website equating right-wing politics with racism. Someone tell all those high school communist losers wearing Che Guevara shirts that they're wearing the visage of a filthy right winger!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
literal_garbage 07/31/17 9:11:45 PM #92:	Fucking Wikipedia SHILLS writing all of these books and articles and getting them published just to LIE on Wikipedia How deep does this go!?!? --- - literal garbage <cite>literal_garbage posted [p:883956552] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote>Fucking Wikipedia SHILLS writing all of these books and articles and getting them published just to LIE on Wikipedia How deep does this go!?!?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LethalAffinity 07/31/17 9:13:59 PM #93:	Sephiroth1288 posted... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-idUSKBN1AG0N0?il=0 Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro on Monday celebrated the election of a new legislative superbody that is expected to give the ruling Socialist Party sweeping powers and mocked U.S. criticism that the vote was an affront to democracy. At least 10 people were killed on Sunday in protests against the unpopular Maduro, who insists the new body known as the constituent assembly will bring peace after four months of protests that have killed more than 120 people. Opposition parties sat out the election, saying it was rigged to increase Maduro's powers. They decried the vote as a fraud and called on supporters to protest again as of midday. Countries across the Americas, as well as the European Union, denounced the creation of the assembly, which will have the power to rewrite the constitution. The United States - the top market for the OPEC nation's oil - called the vote a sham, and officials in Washington said they were preparing oil-sector sanctions. "A spokesperson for emperor Donald Trump said that they would not recognize the results of Venezuela's constituent assembly election," Maduro told a crowd of cheering supporters following the completion of the vote. Turns out, when you give the government control of basically everything, the people who control the government have an easier time of taking that power for themselves. Ho-ly shit, how many times does this need to happen before people get that socialism is a fucking horrible concept? Still better than Trump --- http://i.imgur.com/Sv19SP4.jpg http://i.imgur.com/esZpDkI.jpg http://i.imgur.com/tdtzIvW.gif http://i.imgur.com/E0O1koZ.gif <cite>LethalAffinity posted [p:883956712] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-idUSKBN1AG0N0?il=0 <quote>Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro on Monday celebrated the election of a new legislative superbody that is expected to give the ruling Socialist Party sweeping powers and mocked U.S. criticism that the vote was an affront to democracy. At least 10 people were killed on Sunday in protests against the unpopular Maduro, who insists the new body known as the constituent assembly will bring peace after four months of protests that have killed more than 120 people. Opposition parties sat out the election, saying it was rigged to increase Maduro's powers. They decried the vote as a fraud and called on supporters to protest again as of midday. Countries across the Americas, as well as the European Union, denounced the creation of the assembly, which will have the power to rewrite the constitution. The United States - the top market for the OPEC nation's oil - called the vote a sham, and officials in Washington said they were preparing oil-sector sanctions. "A spokesperson for emperor Donald Trump said that they would not recognize the results of Venezuela's constituent assembly election," Maduro told a crowd of cheering supporters following the completion of the vote. </quote> Turns out, when you give the government control of basically everything, the people who control the government have an easier time of taking that power for themselves. Ho-ly shit, how many times does this need to happen before people get that socialism is a fucking horrible concept?</quote> Still better than Trump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/31/17 9:43:26 PM #94:	literal_garbage posted... Fucking Wikipedia SHILLS writing all of these books and articles and getting them published just to LIE on Wikipedia How deep does this go!?!? Racism doesn't make a government right wing. That's not debatable, it's just a fact. Now please find me the part of your Wikipedia article that explains how the Nazis weren't socialist despite meeting the definition of socialism. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:883958387] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>literal_garbage posted...</cite> <quote>Fucking Wikipedia SHILLS writing all of these books and articles and getting them published just to LIE on Wikipedia How deep does this go!?!?</quote> Racism doesn't make a government right wing. That's not debatable, it's just a fact. Now please find me the part of your Wikipedia article that explains how the Nazis weren't socialist despite meeting the definition of socialism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
literal_garbage 07/31/17 9:56:42 PM #95:	mal_fet once again ignoring sources and people smarter than him so he can put his feels before reals. I'm sorry sweetie, but it's widely accepted that nazis were far right, as has been shown. If you disagree, you can write your own scholarly articles and submit them. Academia always looking for new viewpoints! Use this chance to better yourself! It'll make you a much smarter and well rounded individual --- - literal garbage <cite>literal_garbage posted [p:883959155] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote>mal_fet once again ignoring sources and people smarter than him so he can put his feels before reals. I'm sorry sweetie, but it's widely accepted that nazis were far right, as has been shown. If you disagree, you can write your own scholarly articles and submit them. Academia always looking for new viewpoints! Use this chance to better yourself! It'll make you a much smarter and well rounded individual</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth1288 07/31/17 10:17:39 PM #97:	literal_garbage posted... mal_fet once again ignoring sources and people smarter than him so he can put his feels before reals. I'm sorry sweetie, but it's widely accepted that nazis were far right, as has been shown. If you disagree, you can write your own scholarly articles and submit them. Academia always looking for new viewpoints! https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:883960420] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>literal_garbage posted...</cite> <quote>mal_fet once again ignoring sources and people smarter than him so he can put his feels before reals. I'm sorry sweetie, but it's widely accepted that nazis were far right, as has been shown. If you disagree, you can write your own scholarly articles and submit them. Academia always looking for new viewpoints!</quote> https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
literal_garbage 07/31/17 10:22:55 PM #98:	Sephiroth1288 posted... literal_garbage posted... mal_fet once again ignoring sources and people smarter than him so he can put his feels before reals. I'm sorry sweetie, but it's widely accepted that nazis were far right, as has been shown. If you disagree, you can write your own scholarly articles and submit them. Academia always looking for new viewpoints! https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority "It's important to note that this fallacy should not be used to dismiss the claims of experts, or scientific consensus." LMAO --- - literal garbage <cite>literal_garbage posted [p:883960775] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>literal_garbage posted...</cite> <quote>mal_fet once again ignoring sources and people smarter than him so he can put his feels before reals. I'm sorry sweetie, but it's widely accepted that nazis were far right, as has been shown. If you disagree, you can write your own scholarly articles and submit them. Academia always looking for new viewpoints!</quote> https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority</quote> "It's important to note that this fallacy should not be used to dismiss the claims of experts, or scientific consensus." LMAO</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/31/17 10:24:58 PM #99:	literal_garbage posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... literal_garbage posted... mal_fet once again ignoring sources and people smarter than him so he can put his feels before reals. I'm sorry sweetie, but it's widely accepted that nazis were far right, as has been shown. If you disagree, you can write your own scholarly articles and submit them. Academia always looking for new viewpoints! https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority "It's important to note that this fallacy should not be used to dismiss the claims of experts, or scientific consensus." LMAO "However it is, entirely possible that the opinion of a person or institution of authority is wrong; therefore the authority that such a person or institution holds does not have any intrinsic bearing upon whether their claims are true or not." LMAO --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:883960909] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>literal_garbage posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>literal_garbage posted...</cite> <quote>mal_fet once again ignoring sources and people smarter than him so he can put his feels before reals. I'm sorry sweetie, but it's widely accepted that nazis were far right, as has been shown. If you disagree, you can write your own scholarly articles and submit them. Academia always looking for new viewpoints!</quote> https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority</quote> "It's important to note that this fallacy should not be used to dismiss the claims of experts, or scientific consensus." LMAO</quote> "However it is, entirely possible that the opinion of a person or institution of authority is wrong; therefore the authority that such a person or institution holds does not have any intrinsic bearing upon whether their claims are true or not." <quote>LMAO</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
literal_garbage 07/31/17 10:35:51 PM #100:	Again, you have been given multiple sources Sure does seem like you're going against the consensus here... Look, I get it. It's scary to be proven that you're wrong. But that's ok. You just need to admit that sometimes other people know more than you. Screaming that the vast majority of scholars are wrong about this just makes you look foolish. --- - literal garbage <cite>literal_garbage posted [p:883961602] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote>Again, you have been given multiple sources Sure does seem like you're going against the consensus here... Look, I get it. It's scary to be proven that you're wrong. But that's ok. You just need to admit that sometimes other people know more than you. Screaming that the vast majority of scholars are wrong about this just makes you look foolish.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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