Current Events > Another victory for Socialism! Maduro becomes dictator of Venezuela

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Sephiroth1288 07/31/17 3:16:28 PM #1:	https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-idUSKBN1AG0N0?il=0 Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro on Monday celebrated the election of a new legislative superbody that is expected to give the ruling Socialist Party sweeping powers and mocked U.S. criticism that the vote was an affront to democracy. At least 10 people were killed on Sunday in protests against the unpopular Maduro, who insists the new body known as the constituent assembly will bring peace after four months of protests that have killed more than 120 people. Opposition parties sat out the election, saying it was rigged to increase Maduro's powers. They decried the vote as a fraud and called on supporters to protest again as of midday. Countries across the Americas, as well as the European Union, denounced the creation of the assembly, which will have the power to rewrite the constitution. The United States - the top market for the OPEC nation's oil - called the vote a sham, and officials in Washington said they were preparing oil-sector sanctions. "A spokesperson for emperor Donald Trump said that they would not recognize the results of Venezuela's constituent assembly election," Maduro told a crowd of cheering supporters following the completion of the vote. Turns out, when you give the government control of basically everything, the people who control the government have an easier time of taking that power for themselves. Ho-ly shit, how many times does this need to happen before people get that socialism is a fucking horrible concept? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:883936624] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote>https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-idUSKBN1AG0N0?il=0 <quote>Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro on Monday celebrated the election of a new legislative superbody that is expected to give the ruling Socialist Party sweeping powers and mocked U.S. criticism that the vote was an affront to democracy. At least 10 people were killed on Sunday in protests against the unpopular Maduro, who insists the new body known as the constituent assembly will bring peace after four months of protests that have killed more than 120 people. Opposition parties sat out the election, saying it was rigged to increase Maduro's powers. They decried the vote as a fraud and called on supporters to protest again as of midday. Countries across the Americas, as well as the European Union, denounced the creation of the assembly, which will have the power to rewrite the constitution. The United States - the top market for the OPEC nation's oil - called the vote a sham, and officials in Washington said they were preparing oil-sector sanctions. "A spokesperson for emperor Donald Trump said that they would not recognize the results of Venezuela's constituent assembly election," Maduro told a crowd of cheering supporters following the completion of the vote. </quote> Turns out, when you give the government control of basically everything, the people who control the government have an easier time of taking that power for themselves. Ho-ly shit, how many times does this need to happen before people get that socialism is a fucking horrible concept?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 07/31/17 3:20:02 PM #2:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Turns out, when you give the government control of basically everything, the people who control the government have an easier time of taking that power for themselves. i mean giving populist demagogues control of the government always ends badly. Left or right. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:883936825] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Turns out, when you give the government control of basically everything, the people who control the government have an easier time of taking that power for themselves. </quote> i mean giving populist demagogues control of the government always ends badly. Left or right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NadYobWoc 07/31/17 3:20:12 PM #3:	Mal_Fet topic --- Cowboy Dan's a major player in the cowboy scene <cite>NadYobWoc posted [p:883936832] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote>Mal_Fet topic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/31/17 3:21:53 PM #4:	Doom_Art posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Turns out, when you give the government control of basically everything, the people who control the government have an easier time of taking that power for themselves. i mean giving populist demagogues control of the government always ends badly. Left or right. But it keeps happening with leftist governments. It's almost an inevitability. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:883936940] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Turns out, when you give the government control of basically everything, the people who control the government have an easier time of taking that power for themselves. </quote> i mean giving populist demagogues control of the government always ends badly. Left or right.</quote> But it keeps happening with leftist governments. It's almost an inevitability.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 07/31/17 3:23:11 PM #5:	Sephiroth1288 posted... But it keeps happening with leftist governments. It's almost an inevitability. I mean it's happened with right wing governments as well. It's not about left-right, it's about whether you respect democratic values. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:883937015] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>But it keeps happening with leftist governments. It's almost an inevitability. </quote> I mean it's happened with right wing governments as well. It's not about left-right, it's about whether you respect democratic values.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 07/31/17 3:24:06 PM #6:	not true socialotsman --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:883937079] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote>not true socialotsman</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NadYobWoc 07/31/17 3:24:30 PM #7:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Doom_Art posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Turns out, when you give the government control of basically everything, the people who control the government have an easier time of taking that power for themselves. i mean giving populist demagogues control of the government always ends badly. Left or right. But it keeps happening with leftist governments. It's almost an inevitability. Confirmation bias --- Cowboy Dan's a major player in the cowboy scene <cite>NadYobWoc posted [p:883937104] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Turns out, when you give the government control of basically everything, the people who control the government have an easier time of taking that power for themselves. </quote> i mean giving populist demagogues control of the government always ends badly. Left or right.</quote> But it keeps happening with leftist governments. It's almost an inevitability.</quote> Confirmation bias</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NadYobWoc 07/31/17 3:25:42 PM #8:	darkphoenix181 posted... not true socialotsman Vague concepts like nationality arent comparable to economics. --- Cowboy Dan's a major player in the cowboy scene <cite>NadYobWoc posted [p:883937187] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>not true socialotsman</quote> Vague concepts like nationality arent comparable to economics.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 07/31/17 3:26:09 PM #9:	darkphoenix181 posted... not true socialotsman I mean I could point out countries that have adopted socialist policies or policies that would be considered socialist without sliding into a dictatorship. On the flip I could also name some countries that slanted right without turning into a dictatorship. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:883937212] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>not true socialotsman</quote> I mean I could point out countries that have adopted socialist policies or policies that would be considered socialist without sliding into a dictatorship. On the flip I could also name some countries that slanted right without turning into a dictatorship.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sojy 07/31/17 3:26:44 PM #10:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Ho-ly shit, how many times does this need to happen before people get that socialism is a fucking horrible concept? Find a better alternative than the free market fucking the poor over then. <cite>Sojy posted [p:883937251] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>Ho-ly shit, how many times does this need to happen before people get that socialism is a fucking horrible concept?</quote> Find a better alternative than the free market fucking the poor over then.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 07/31/17 3:27:03 PM #11:	Doom_Art posted... darkphoenix181 posted... not true socialotsman I mean I could point out countries that have adopted socialist policies or policies that would be considered socialist without sliding into a dictatorship. On the flip I could also name some countries that slanted right without turning into a dictatorship. you mean the capitalist nordic model? --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:883937270] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>not true socialotsman</quote> I mean I could point out countries that have adopted socialist policies or policies that would be considered socialist without sliding into a dictatorship. On the flip I could also name some countries that slanted right without turning into a dictatorship.</quote> you mean the capitalist nordic model?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 07/31/17 3:27:21 PM #12:	Mal_Upset --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:883937296] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote>Mal_Upset</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/31/17 3:27:27 PM #13:	Doom_Art posted... I mean it's happened with right wing governments as well. Not really. I mean the go-to example of a right wing fascist government is Nazi Germany, but Nazi Germany had a central government that controlled what goods were to be produced and at what price and set wages. Are you getting this? The most prevalent example of a "right-wing fascist government" was more socialist than any Scandinavian country is (or ever was)!! --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:883937302] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>I mean it's happened with right wing governments as well. </quote> Not really. I mean the go-to example of a right wing fascist government is Nazi Germany, but Nazi Germany had a central government that controlled what goods were to be produced and at what price and set wages. Are you getting this? The most prevalent example of a "right-wing fascist government" was more socialist than any Scandinavian country is (or ever was)!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/31/17 3:27:53 PM #14:	Good thing people don't want socialism and that it's completely irrelevant to becoming a dictator. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:883937328] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote>Good thing people don't want socialism and that it's completely irrelevant to becoming a dictator.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/31/17 3:27:55 PM #15:	Doom_Art posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... But it keeps happening with leftist governments. It's almost an inevitability. I mean it's happened with right wing governments as well. It's not about left-right, it's about whether you respect democratic values. Authoritarianism is neither and both right and left. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:883937330] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>But it keeps happening with leftist governments. It's almost an inevitability. </quote> I mean it's happened with right wing governments as well. It's not about left-right, it's about whether you respect democratic values.</quote> Authoritarianism is neither and both right and left.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/31/17 3:28:51 PM #16:	Questionmarktarius posted... Doom_Art posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... But it keeps happening with leftist governments. It's almost an inevitability. I mean it's happened with right wing governments as well. It's not about left-right, it's about whether you respect democratic values. Authoritarianism is neither and both right and left. You're absolutely right, but once again: Turns out, when you give the government control of basically everything, the people who control the government have an easier time of taking that power for themselves. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:883937394] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>But it keeps happening with leftist governments. It's almost an inevitability. </quote> I mean it's happened with right wing governments as well. It's not about left-right, it's about whether you respect democratic values.</quote> Authoritarianism is neither and both right and left.</quote> You're absolutely right, but once again: <quote>Turns out, when you give the government control of basically everything, the people who control the government have an easier time of taking that power for themselves.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NadYobWoc 07/31/17 3:28:53 PM #17:	darkphoenix181 posted... Doom_Art posted... darkphoenix181 posted... not true socialotsman I mean I could point out countries that have adopted socialist policies or policies that would be considered socialist without sliding into a dictatorship. On the flip I could also name some countries that slanted right without turning into a dictatorship. you mean the capitalist nordic model? This is a weird route to take acter trying to level a no true Scotsman accusation. --- Cowboy Dan's a major player in the cowboy scene <cite>NadYobWoc posted [p:883937400] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>not true socialotsman</quote> I mean I could point out countries that have adopted socialist policies or policies that would be considered socialist without sliding into a dictatorship. On the flip I could also name some countries that slanted right without turning into a dictatorship.</quote> you mean the capitalist nordic model?</quote> This is a weird route to take acter trying to level a no true Scotsman accusation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/31/17 3:28:57 PM #18:	Sephiroth1288 posted... Doom_Art posted... I mean it's happened with right wing governments as well. Not really. I mean the go-to example of a right wing fascist government is Nazi Germany, but Nazi Germany had a central government that controlled what goods were to be produced and at what price and set wages. Are you getting this? The most prevalent example of a "right-wing fascist government" was more socialist than any Scandinavian country is (or ever was)!! Mal going back to the Nazi Germany Was Left well I see. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:883937402] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>I mean it's happened with right wing governments as well. </quote> Not really. I mean the go-to example of a right wing fascist government is Nazi Germany, but Nazi Germany had a central government that controlled what goods were to be produced and at what price and set wages. Are you getting this? The most prevalent example of a "right-wing fascist government" was more socialist than any Scandinavian country is (or ever was)!!</quote> Mal going back to the Nazi Germany Was Left well I see.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 07/31/17 3:29:26 PM #19:	hockeybub89 posted... Good thing people don't want socialism and that it's completely irrelevant to becoming a dictator. that would be a good thing but I am not so sure your statement about people don't want it being true a mix of free market and socialism is the best ofc break up monopolies like the big internet companies! --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:883937439] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Good thing people don't want socialism and that it's completely irrelevant to becoming a dictator.</quote> that would be a good thing but I am not so sure your statement about people don't want it being true a mix of free market and socialism is the best ofc break up monopolies like the big internet companies!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
justaguy3492 07/31/17 3:29:39 PM #20:	"You can't compare the successes of Scandinavian socialism to America, we're two different cultures." "SEE! See what happens when you let socialism run wild?! This is why we should never allow it in America." --- Gt: justaguy3492 <cite>justaguy3492 posted [p:883937448] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote>"You can't compare the successes of Scandinavian socialism to America, we're two different cultures." "SEE! See what happens when you let socialism run wild?! This is why we should never allow it in America."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/31/17 3:29:42 PM #21:	hockeybub89 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Doom_Art posted... I mean it's happened with right wing governments as well. Not really. I mean the go-to example of a right wing fascist government is Nazi Germany, but Nazi Germany had a central government that controlled what goods were to be produced and at what price and set wages. Are you getting this? The most prevalent example of a "right-wing fascist government" was more socialist than any Scandinavian country is (or ever was)!! Mal going back to the Nazi Germany Was Left well I see. Nazi Germany was more socialist than the "socialist" Scandinavian countries, for exactly the reasons I outlined. Go ahead. Try to deny it. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:883937450] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>I mean it's happened with right wing governments as well. </quote> Not really. I mean the go-to example of a right wing fascist government is Nazi Germany, but Nazi Germany had a central government that controlled what goods were to be produced and at what price and set wages. Are you getting this? The most prevalent example of a "right-wing fascist government" was more socialist than any Scandinavian country is (or ever was)!!</quote> Mal going back to the Nazi Germany Was Left well I see.</quote> Nazi Germany was more socialist than the "socialist" Scandinavian countries, for exactly the reasons I outlined. Go ahead. Try to deny it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/31/17 3:30:32 PM #22:	justaguy3492 posted... "You can't compare the successes of Scandinavian socialism to America, we're two different cultures." The Scandinavian countries are not socialist. They have socialist policies that are propped up by an economy that is entirely capitalist. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:883937485] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>justaguy3492 posted...</cite> <quote>"You can't compare the successes of Scandinavian socialism to America, we're two different cultures."</quote> The Scandinavian countries are not socialist. They have socialist policies that are propped up by an economy that is entirely capitalist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 07/31/17 3:31:33 PM #23:	Sephiroth1288 posted... but Nazi Germany had a central government that controlled what goods were to be produced and at what price and set wages. I mean the Western Allies did that as well. Are you unfamiliar with the concept of Total War during WWII? --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:883937545] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>but Nazi Germany had a central government that controlled what goods were to be produced and at what price and set wages. </quote> I mean the Western Allies did that as well. Are you unfamiliar with the concept of Total War during WWII?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 07/31/17 3:31:35 PM #24:	Mal_Fet: believes Nazi Germany was a bunch of leftists and that NATO wasn't a thing before 9/11 --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:883937550] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote>Mal_Fet: believes Nazi Germany was a bunch of leftists and that NATO wasn't a thing before 9/11</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sojy 07/31/17 3:31:36 PM #25:	darkphoenix181 posted... Doom_Art posted... darkphoenix181 posted... not true socialotsman I mean I could point out countries that have adopted socialist policies or policies that would be considered socialist without sliding into a dictatorship. On the flip I could also name some countries that slanted right without turning into a dictatorship. you mean the capitalist nordic model? If you're gonna call that capitalist, then you can't call American politicians socialists, as 99% of the time they don't even want America to offer as many subsidies as the Nordic model does. It's either-or bro. <cite>Sojy posted [p:883937552] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>not true socialotsman</quote> I mean I could point out countries that have adopted socialist policies or policies that would be considered socialist without sliding into a dictatorship. On the flip I could also name some countries that slanted right without turning into a dictatorship.</quote> you mean the capitalist nordic model?</quote> If you're gonna call that capitalist, then you can't call American politicians socialists, as 99% of the time they don't even want America to offer as many subsidies as the Nordic model does. It's either-or bro.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/31/17 3:31:44 PM #26:	darkphoenix181 posted... hockeybub89 posted... Good thing people don't want socialism and that it's completely irrelevant to becoming a dictator. that would be a good thing but I am not so sure your statement about people don't want it being true a mix of free market and socialism is the best ofc break up monopolies like the big internet companies! By people I mean most people. None of the countries people pine for America to be like are truly socialist. The average person is not an ideologue. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:883937563] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Good thing people don't want socialism and that it's completely irrelevant to becoming a dictator.</quote> that would be a good thing but I am not so sure your statement about people don't want it being true a mix of free market and socialism is the best ofc break up monopolies like the big internet companies!</quote> By people I mean most people. None of the countries people pine for America to be like are truly socialist. The average person is not an ideologue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NadYobWoc 07/31/17 3:32:00 PM #27:	Sephiroth1288 posted... hockeybub89 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Doom_Art posted... I mean it's happened with right wing governments as well. Not really. I mean the go-to example of a right wing fascist government is Nazi Germany, but Nazi Germany had a central government that controlled what goods were to be produced and at what price and set wages. Are you getting this? The most prevalent example of a "right-wing fascist government" was more socialist than any Scandinavian country is (or ever was)!! Mal going back to the Nazi Germany Was Left well I see. Nazi Germany was more socialist than the "socialist" Scandinavian countries, for exactly the reasons I outlined. Go ahead. Try to deny it. The issues with Nazism were based in authoritarianism, not socialism. You dont have a point. --- Cowboy Dan's a major player in the cowboy scene <cite>NadYobWoc posted [p:883937584] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>I mean it's happened with right wing governments as well. </quote> Not really. I mean the go-to example of a right wing fascist government is Nazi Germany, but Nazi Germany had a central government that controlled what goods were to be produced and at what price and set wages. Are you getting this? The most prevalent example of a "right-wing fascist government" was more socialist than any Scandinavian country is (or ever was)!!</quote> Mal going back to the Nazi Germany Was Left well I see.</quote> Nazi Germany was more socialist than the "socialist" Scandinavian countries, for exactly the reasons I outlined. Go ahead. Try to deny it.</quote> The issues with Nazism were based in authoritarianism, not socialism. You dont have a point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/31/17 3:32:32 PM #28:	Sephiroth1288 posted... hockeybub89 posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... Doom_Art posted... I mean it's happened with right wing governments as well. Not really. I mean the go-to example of a right wing fascist government is Nazi Germany, but Nazi Germany had a central government that controlled what goods were to be produced and at what price and set wages. Are you getting this? The most prevalent example of a "right-wing fascist government" was more socialist than any Scandinavian country is (or ever was)!! Mal going back to the Nazi Germany Was Left well I see. Nazi Germany was more socialist than the "socialist" Scandinavian countries, for exactly the reasons I outlined. Go ahead. Try to deny it. Deny. Any extremely controlling government is left-wing in your eyes and that is mind numbingly stupid. Both extremes are terrible, but Nazi Germany's fits neatly in what is considered right extremism. But we all know Mal_Fet is one of the few political scholars not beholden to liberal propaganda --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:883937618] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>I mean it's happened with right wing governments as well. </quote> Not really. I mean the go-to example of a right wing fascist government is Nazi Germany, but Nazi Germany had a central government that controlled what goods were to be produced and at what price and set wages. Are you getting this? The most prevalent example of a "right-wing fascist government" was more socialist than any Scandinavian country is (or ever was)!!</quote> Mal going back to the Nazi Germany Was Left well I see.</quote> Nazi Germany was more socialist than the "socialist" Scandinavian countries, for exactly the reasons I outlined. Go ahead. Try to deny it.</quote> Deny. Any extremely controlling government is left-wing in your eyes and that is mind numbingly stupid. Both extremes are terrible, but Nazi Germany's fits neatly in what is considered right extremism. But we all know Mal_Fet is one of the few political scholars not beholden to liberal propaganda</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/31/17 3:32:53 PM #29:	Doom_Art posted... I mean the Western Allies did that as well. Did I ever say their countries weren't socialist at the time? It's a good thing they reverted back to capitalism after the war, huh? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:883937639] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>I mean the Western Allies did that as well.</quote> Did I ever say their countries weren't socialist at the time? It's a good thing they reverted back to capitalism after the war, huh?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 07/31/17 3:33:12 PM #30:	Checkmate liberals #MAGA --- Sig User Logic http://i.imgur.com/lA5fm7w.jpg <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:883937659] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote>Checkmate liberals #MAGA</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/31/17 3:33:37 PM #31:	NadYobWoc posted... The issues with Nazism were based in authoritarianism, not socialism. You dont have a point. Venezuela is just one more example of how these two things go hand-in-hand :) --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:883937684] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>NadYobWoc posted...</cite> <quote> The issues with Nazism were based in authoritarianism, not socialism. You dont have a point.</quote> Venezuela is just one more example of how these two things go hand-in-hand :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 07/31/17 3:34:23 PM #32:	NadYobWoc posted... darkphoenix181 posted... Doom_Art posted... darkphoenix181 posted... not true socialotsman I mean I could point out countries that have adopted socialist policies or policies that would be considered socialist without sliding into a dictatorship. On the flip I could also name some countries that slanted right without turning into a dictatorship. you mean the capitalist nordic model? This is a weird route to take acter trying to level a no true Scotsman accusation. only to people who never read up on it and just hear talking points that it is a socialist paradise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model The Nordic model (also called Nordic capitalism[1] or Nordic social democracy)[2][3] refers to the economic and social policies common to the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, Iceland, and Sweden). This includes a combination of free market capitalism with a comprehensive welfare state and collective bargaining at the national level.[4][5] The Nordic model began to earn attention after World War II.[6] Little product market regulation. Nordic countries rank very high in product market freedom according to OECD rankings.[11] The Nordic model is underpinned by a free market capitalist economic system that features high degrees of private ownership[5] with the exception of Norway, which includes a large number of state-owned enterprises and state ownership in publicly listed firms.[26] The Nordic model is described as a system of competitive capitalism combined with a large percentage of the population employed by the public sector (roughly 30% of the work force).[27] In 2013, The Economist described its countries as "stout free-traders who resist the temptation to intervene even to protect iconic companies" while also looking for ways to temper capitalism's harsher effects, and declared that the Nordic countries "are probably the best-governed in the world".[27][28] Some economists have referred to the Nordic economic model as a form of "cuddly" capitalism, with low levels of inequality, generous welfare states and reduced concentration of top incomes, and contrast it with the more "cut-throat" capitalism of the United States, which has high levels of inequality and a larger concentration of top incomes.[11][29][30] --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:883937740] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>NadYobWoc posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>not true socialotsman</quote> I mean I could point out countries that have adopted socialist policies or policies that would be considered socialist without sliding into a dictatorship. On the flip I could also name some countries that slanted right without turning into a dictatorship.</quote> you mean the capitalist nordic model?</quote> This is a weird route to take acter trying to level a no true Scotsman accusation.</quote> only to people who never read up on it and just hear talking points that it is a socialist paradise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model <quote>The Nordic model (also called Nordic capitalism[1] or Nordic social democracy)[2][3] refers to the economic and social policies common to the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, Iceland, and Sweden). This includes a combination of free market capitalism with a comprehensive welfare state and collective bargaining at the national level.[4][5] The Nordic model began to earn attention after World War II.[6]</quote> <quote> Little product market regulation. Nordic countries rank very high in product market freedom according to OECD rankings.[11]</quote> <quote>The Nordic model is underpinned by a free market capitalist economic system that features high degrees of private ownership[5] with the exception of Norway, which includes a large number of state-owned enterprises and state ownership in publicly listed firms.[26] The Nordic model is described as a system of competitive capitalism combined with a large percentage of the population employed by the public sector (roughly 30% of the work force).[27] In 2013, The Economist described its countries as "stout free-traders who resist the temptation to intervene even to protect iconic companies" while also looking for ways to temper capitalism's harsher effects, and declared that the Nordic countries "are probably the best-governed in the world".[27][28] Some economists have referred to the Nordic economic model as a form of "cuddly" capitalism, with low levels of inequality, generous welfare states and reduced concentration of top incomes, and contrast it with the more "cut-throat" capitalism of the United States, which has high levels of inequality and a larger concentration of top incomes.[11][29][30]</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
literal_garbage 07/31/17 3:34:42 PM #33:	sktgamer_13dude posted... Mal_Fet: believes Nazi Germany was a bunch of leftists and that NATO wasn't a thing before 9/11 "Are the nazi's known for being anti-gay?" --- - literal garbage <cite>literal_garbage posted [p:883937768] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>sktgamer_13dude posted...</cite> <quote>Mal_Fet: believes Nazi Germany was a bunch of leftists and that NATO wasn't a thing before 9/11</quote> "Are the nazi's known for being anti-gay?"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NadYobWoc 07/31/17 3:34:56 PM #34:	Sephiroth1288 posted... NadYobWoc posted... The issues with Nazism were based in authoritarianism, not socialism. You dont have a point. Venezuela is just one more example of how these two things go hand-in-hand :) Confirmation bias --- Cowboy Dan's a major player in the cowboy scene <cite>NadYobWoc posted [p:883937780] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NadYobWoc posted...</cite> <quote> The issues with Nazism were based in authoritarianism, not socialism. You dont have a point.</quote> Venezuela is just one more example of how these two things go hand-in-hand :)</quote> Confirmation bias</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/31/17 3:36:03 PM #35:	NadYobWoc posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... NadYobWoc posted... The issues with Nazism were based in authoritarianism, not socialism. You dont have a point. Venezuela is just one more example of how these two things go hand-in-hand :) Confirmation bias when 100% of socialist countries turn out authoritarian, it's not a bias anymore. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:883937851] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>NadYobWoc posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NadYobWoc posted...</cite> <quote> The issues with Nazism were based in authoritarianism, not socialism. You dont have a point.</quote> Venezuela is just one more example of how these two things go hand-in-hand :)</quote> Confirmation bias</quote> when 100% of socialist countries turn out authoritarian, it's not a bias anymore.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/31/17 3:36:03 PM #36:	Blaming socialism for dictators is a misunderstanding of causality. Socialism is merely a step in the process, as a populist appeal to cede power to a savior who will somehow magically fix everything, if only he were granted the authority to really deal with the evils of [insert 'evil' here] - temporarily, of course. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:883937852] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote>Blaming socialism for dictators is a misunderstanding of causality. Socialism is merely a step in the process, as a populist appeal to cede power to a savior who will somehow magically fix everything, if only he were granted the authority to really deal with the evils of [insert 'evil' here] - temporarily, of course.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 07/31/17 3:36:22 PM #37:	Sojy posted... If you're gonna call that capitalist, then you can't call American politicians socialists, as 99% of the time they don't even want America to offer as many subsidies as the Nordic model does. It's either-or bro. wikipedia calls it capitalist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:883937872] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sojy posted...</cite> <quote>If you're gonna call that capitalist, then you can't call American politicians socialists, as 99% of the time they don't even want America to offer as many subsidies as the Nordic model does. It's either-or bro.</quote> wikipedia calls it capitalist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 07/31/17 3:37:32 PM #38:	mal's gone crazy hasn't he? --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:883937951] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote>mal's gone crazy hasn't he?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NadYobWoc 07/31/17 3:39:52 PM #39:	darkphoenix181 posted... NadYobWoc posted... darkphoenix181 posted... you mean the capitalist nordic model? This is a weird route to take acter trying to level a no true Scotsman accusation. only to people who never read up on it and just hear talking points that it is a socialist paradise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model The Nordic model (also called Nordic capitalism[1] or Nordic social democracy)[2][3] refers to the economic and social policies common to the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, Iceland, and Sweden). This includes a combination of free market capitalism with a comprehensive welfare state and collective bargaining at the national level.[4][5] The Nordic model began to earn attention after World War II.[6] Little product market regulation. Nordic countries rank very high in product market freedom according to OECD rankings.[11] The Nordic model is underpinned by a free market capitalist economic system that features high degrees of private ownership[5] with the exception of Norway, which includes a large number of state-owned enterprises and state ownership in publicly listed firms.[26] The Nordic model is described as a system of competitive capitalism combined with a large percentage of the population employed by the public sector (roughly 30% of the work force).[27] In 2013, The Economist described its countries as "stout free-traders who resist the temptation to intervene even to protect iconic companies" while also looking for ways to temper capitalism's harsher effects, and declared that the Nordic countries "are probably the best-governed in the world".[27][28] Some economists have referred to the Nordic economic model as a form of "cuddly" capitalism, with low levels of inequality, generous welfare states and reduced concentration of top incomes, and contrast it with the more "cut-throat" capitalism of the United States, which has high levels of inequality and a larger concentration of top incomes.[11][29][30] I see you still havent overcome the urge to argue exclusively through strawmen and non-sequiturs. --- Cowboy Dan's a major player in the cowboy scene <cite>NadYobWoc posted [p:883938090] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NadYobWoc posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>you mean the capitalist nordic model?</quote> This is a weird route to take acter trying to level a no true Scotsman accusation.</quote> only to people who never read up on it and just hear talking points that it is a socialist paradise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model <quote>The Nordic model (also called Nordic capitalism[1] or Nordic social democracy)[2][3] refers to the economic and social policies common to the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, Iceland, and Sweden). This includes a combination of free market capitalism with a comprehensive welfare state and collective bargaining at the national level.[4][5] The Nordic model began to earn attention after World War II.[6]</quote> <quote> Little product market regulation. Nordic countries rank very high in product market freedom according to OECD rankings.[11]</quote> <quote>The Nordic model is underpinned by a free market capitalist economic system that features high degrees of private ownership[5] with the exception of Norway, which includes a large number of state-owned enterprises and state ownership in publicly listed firms.[26] The Nordic model is described as a system of competitive capitalism combined with a large percentage of the population employed by the public sector (roughly 30% of the work force).[27] In 2013, The Economist described its countries as "stout free-traders who resist the temptation to intervene even to protect iconic companies" while also looking for ways to temper capitalism's harsher effects, and declared that the Nordic countries "are probably the best-governed in the world".[27][28] Some economists have referred to the Nordic economic model as a form of "cuddly" capitalism, with low levels of inequality, generous welfare states and reduced concentration of top incomes, and contrast it with the more "cut-throat" capitalism of the United States, which has high levels of inequality and a larger concentration of top incomes.[11][29][30]</quote></quote> I see you still havent overcome the urge to argue exclusively through strawmen and non-sequiturs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 07/31/17 3:40:02 PM #40:	what do actual socialists say about the capitalist nordic model? The socialist economists John Roemer and Pranab Bardhan criticize Nordic-style social democracy by questioning its effectiveness at promoting relative egalitarianism as well as its sustainability. They point out that social democracy requires a strong labor movement to sustain the heavy redistribution required, arguing that it is idealistic to think such redistribution can be accomplished in other countries with weaker labor movements. They note that, even in the Scandinavian countries, social democracy has been in decline since the weakening of the labor movement, arguing that the sustainability of social democracy is limited. Roemer and Bardham argue that establishing a market socialist economy by changing enterprise ownership would be more effective at promoting egalitarianism than social democratic redistribution.[53] huh why would actual socialists say this! --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:883938097] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote>what do actual socialists say about the capitalist nordic model? <quote>The socialist economists John Roemer and Pranab Bardhan criticize Nordic-style social democracy by questioning its effectiveness at promoting relative egalitarianism as well as its sustainability. They point out that social democracy requires a strong labor movement to sustain the heavy redistribution required, arguing that it is idealistic to think such redistribution can be accomplished in other countries with weaker labor movements. They note that, even in the Scandinavian countries, social democracy has been in decline since the weakening of the labor movement, arguing that the sustainability of social democracy is limited. Roemer and Bardham argue that establishing a market socialist economy by changing enterprise ownership would be more effective at promoting egalitarianism than social democratic redistribution.[53]</quote> huh why would actual socialists say this!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NadYobWoc 07/31/17 3:40:56 PM #41:	darkphoenix181 posted... Sojy posted... If you're gonna call that capitalist, then you can't call American politicians socialists, as 99% of the time they don't even want America to offer as many subsidies as the Nordic model does. It's either-or bro. wikipedia calls it capitalist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm That's not a response to his post. Strawmen and non-sequiturs. --- Cowboy Dan's a major player in the cowboy scene <cite>NadYobWoc posted [p:883938149] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sojy posted...</cite> <quote>If you're gonna call that capitalist, then you can't call American politicians socialists, as 99% of the time they don't even want America to offer as many subsidies as the Nordic model does. It's either-or bro.</quote> wikipedia calls it capitalist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm</quote> That's not a response to his post. Strawmen and non-sequiturs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 07/31/17 3:40:56 PM #42:	NadYobWoc posted... I see you still havent overcome the urge to argue exclusively through strawmen and non-sequiturs. I see you still cannot provide counterpoints when faced with evidence vs. you having no evidence. --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:883938150] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>NadYobWoc posted...</cite> <quote> I see you still havent overcome the urge to argue exclusively through strawmen and non-sequiturs.</quote> I see you still cannot provide counterpoints when faced with evidence vs. you having no evidence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/31/17 3:41:58 PM #43:	"Nazi Germany fulfills more requirements of socialism than Nordic countries do, and here's why" Doomy: You're crazy! --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:883938204] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote>"Nazi Germany fulfills more requirements of socialism than Nordic countries do, and here's why" Doomy: You're crazy!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NadYobWoc 07/31/17 3:43:57 PM #44:	darkphoenix181 posted... NadYobWoc posted... I see you still havent overcome the urge to argue exclusively through strawmen and non-sequiturs. I see you still cannot provide counterpoints when faced with evidence vs. you having no evidence. Evidence of what? No one tried to claim Scandinavia was strictly socialist. --- Cowboy Dan's a major player in the cowboy scene <cite>NadYobWoc posted [p:883938332] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NadYobWoc posted...</cite> <quote> I see you still havent overcome the urge to argue exclusively through strawmen and non-sequiturs.</quote> I see you still cannot provide counterpoints when faced with evidence vs. you having no evidence.</quote> Evidence of what? No one tried to claim Scandinavia was strictly socialist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NadYobWoc 07/31/17 3:44:54 PM #45:	Sephiroth1288 posted... "Nazi Germany fulfills more requirements of socialism than Nordic countries do, and here's why" Doomy: You're crazy! That's not what he said, he pointed out the similarities found in allied war time economies. --- Cowboy Dan's a major player in the cowboy scene <cite>NadYobWoc posted [p:883938393] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>"Nazi Germany fulfills more requirements of socialism than Nordic countries do, and here's why" Doomy: You're crazy!</quote> That's not what he said, he pointed out the similarities found in allied war time economies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
literal_garbage 07/31/17 3:45:25 PM #46:	Sephiroth1288 posted... "Nazi Germany fulfills more requirements of socialism than Nordic countries do, and here's why" Doomy: You're crazy! Um I checked Wikipedia and it says that the nazis are far right I don't know who to believe someone please send help I'm freaking out I thought mal knew everything --- - literal garbage <cite>literal_garbage posted [p:883938420] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>"Nazi Germany fulfills more requirements of socialism than Nordic countries do, and here's why" Doomy: You're crazy!</quote> Um I checked Wikipedia and it says that the nazis are far right I don't know who to believe someone please send help I'm freaking out I thought mal knew everything</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 07/31/17 3:46:35 PM #47:	NadYobWoc posted... darkphoenix181 posted... NadYobWoc posted... I see you still havent overcome the urge to argue exclusively through strawmen and non-sequiturs. I see you still cannot provide counterpoints when faced with evidence vs. you having no evidence. Evidence of what? No one tried to claim Scandinavia was strictly socialist. Nor did I I merely pointed out that the one example people have of a fascist right-wing government had more socialist qualities than the left's favorite examples of countries where their ideas actually work to some degree. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:883938488] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>NadYobWoc posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NadYobWoc posted...</cite> <quote> I see you still havent overcome the urge to argue exclusively through strawmen and non-sequiturs.</quote> I see you still cannot provide counterpoints when faced with evidence vs. you having no evidence.</quote> Evidence of what? No one tried to claim Scandinavia was strictly socialist.</quote> Nor did I I merely pointed out that the one example people have of a fascist right-wing government had more socialist qualities than the left's favorite examples of countries where their ideas actually work to some degree.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 07/31/17 3:48:18 PM #48:	Left-wing and right-wing are such meaningless terms --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:883938583] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote>Left-wing and right-wing are such meaningless terms</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
--kresnik-- 07/31/17 3:49:45 PM #49:	It's just proof that being idealistic can be very harmful. Structure and order exist for a reason. Take that away and you have anarchy. These people want to make capitalism look bad (kek) and pre-communism look good. --- Trump 2020 <cite>--kresnik-- posted [p:883938685] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote>It's just proof that being idealistic can be very harmful. Structure and order exist for a reason. Take that away and you have anarchy. These people want to make capitalism look bad (kek) and pre-communism look good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NadYobWoc 07/31/17 3:49:51 PM #50:	Sephiroth1288 posted... NadYobWoc posted... darkphoenix181 posted... NadYobWoc posted... I see you still havent overcome the urge to argue exclusively through strawmen and non-sequiturs. I see you still cannot provide counterpoints when faced with evidence vs. you having no evidence. Evidence of what? No one tried to claim Scandinavia was strictly socialist. Nor did I I merely pointed out that the one example people have of a fascist right-wing government had more socialist qualities than the left's favorite examples of countries where their ideas actually work to some degree. Wasnt talking to you bud. Regardless, that's not the only example. Italy and Spain are two other contemporary examples, and thats just from the same part of the world at the same time. Again, confirmation bias. --- Cowboy Dan's a major player in the cowboy scene <cite>NadYobWoc posted [p:883938693] in Another vi... [t:75624233]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NadYobWoc posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NadYobWoc posted...</cite> <quote> I see you still havent overcome the urge to argue exclusively through strawmen and non-sequiturs.</quote> I see you still cannot provide counterpoints when faced with evidence vs. you having no evidence.</quote> Evidence of what? No one tried to claim Scandinavia was strictly socialist.</quote> Nor did I I merely pointed out that the one example people have of a fascist right-wing government had more socialist qualities than the left's favorite examples of countries where their ideas actually work to some degree.</quote> Wasnt talking to you bud. Regardless, that's not the only example. Italy and Spain are two other contemporary examples, and thats just from the same part of the world at the same time. Again, confirmation bias.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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