Poll of the Day > Are you Liberal or Conservative?

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Simple poll to determine Potd's political affiliations

According to the US spectrum I'm "Hyper-mecha super liberal"
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Neither, in an American sense... I fall right on the political spectrum in general though.
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If you believe in the Illuminati/elite power pulling all the strings through banks, media, military, and the entertainment industry, you already know we're all fucked regardless of political affiliation.

I don't even vote anymore.
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No idea. I'm just me so I let others make that call if they must.
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RedPixel posted...

I don't even vote anymore.

You should. Did you know a third party only needs to each 2.5% of the popular vote to be automatically included on the ballot the next term, but to date no third party has done so?
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Somewhere in the middle I guess, although the things I feel most strongly about tend to be more conservative, but there's only a few of those.
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Lokarin posted...

RedPixel posted...

I don't even vote anymore.

You should. Did you know a third party only needs to each 2.5% of the popular vote to be automatically included on the ballot the next term, but to date no third party has done so?

You know this is what bugs me. When folk say they don't vote/don't care some folk still try and push their drama onto them by saying "you should vote/care because *insert reasons here*". Being as I don't care about politics I don't vote and the reasons given on why I should care/vote don't interest me. I've nothing against folk thinking their votes actually matter and they love the drama surrounding it provided they don't put that shit on me.
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wwinterj25 posted...

Being as I don't care about politics I don't vote

This is a good reason to not vote, but I interpeted Red's comment as in he wanted to but is disillusioned with the two party system
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Lokarin posted...

This is a good reason to not vote, but I interpeted Red's comment as in he wanted to but is disillusioned with the two party system

Fair enough. I was just using what you said as a platform. :p
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Did a political affinity(?) test. Was 54% liberal, 46% Conservative.
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RedPixel posted...

If you believe in the Illuminati/elite power pulling all the strings through banks, media, military, and the entertainment industry, you already know we're all fucked regardless of political affiliation.

I don't even vote anymore.

The shift to the Federal Reserve and US domination of the globe after the fact has basically ruined the Earth, beginning during the Cold War. That's changing though. Western Europe, Russia, and China are actively replacing American world order, and despite their flaws, it'll only be "different" at worst... War scares me, but I think a good old fashioned conventional one between major powers is needed for a reset.
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wwinterj25 posted...

Lokarin posted...

RedPixel posted...

I don't even vote anymore.

You should. Did you know a third party only needs to each 2.5% of the popular vote to be automatically included on the ballot the next term, but to date no third party has done so?

You know this is what bugs me. When folk say they don't vote/don't care some folk still try and push their drama onto them by saying "you should vote/care because *insert reasons here*". Being as I don't care about politics I don't vote and the reasons given on why I should care/vote don't interest me. I've nothing against folk thinking their votes actually matter and they love the drama surrounding it provided they don't put that shit on me.

I mean, he's not wrong, either. I would personally just not rather vote anymore because I have no idea which lies are which. I want no part of it.
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well heck i thoughtpotd was mostly liberal

#LeftLeaningCentrist #ModerateLibertarian
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RedPixel posted...

If you believe in the Illuminati/elite power pulling all the strings through banks, media, military, and the entertainment industry, you already know we're all fucked regardless of political affiliation.

I don't even vote anymore.

/eyeroll
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more conservative but I'm neither really.

I'm a moderate, I like some things from both sides, refuse to support some things from both sides.
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Where are you on this normalized chart?

http://static.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/80/20/802028_5483979.jpg
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“There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party … and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat.”

Not sure if Gore Vidal or Noam Chomsky
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

RedPixel posted...

If you believe in the Illuminati/elite power pulling all the strings through banks, media, military, and the entertainment industry, you already know we're all fucked regardless of political affiliation.

I don't even vote anymore.

/eyeroll

I used to roll my eye at it, too. It wasn't until I started reading up on stuff about ancient astronauts, unexplainable structures apparently built by civilizations who were thought to be nothing more than hunters/gatherers, and stuff about Area 51 and Roswell that I really started having some dots to connect...

In a really weird and seemingly complex way, our enslavement is actually quite simple. On a planet that's ~4.5 billion years old, is it that far-fetched to believe that something smarter came here, created us through genetic engineering, and is manipulating nations' currency?
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Nothing indemonstrable exists
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RedPixel posted...

Krazy_Kirby posted...

RedPixel posted...

If you believe in the Illuminati/elite power pulling all the strings through banks, media, military, and the entertainment industry, you already know we're all fucked regardless of political affiliation.

I don't even vote anymore.

/eyeroll

I used to roll my eye at it, too. It wasn't until I started reading up on stuff about ancient astronauts, unexplainable structures apparently built by civilizations who were thought to be nothing more than hunters/gatherers, and stuff about Area 51 and Roswell that I really started having some dots to connect...

In a really weird and seemingly complex way, our enslavement is actually quite simple. On a planet that's ~4.5 billion years old, is it that far-fetched to believe that something smarter came here, created us through genetic engineering, and is manipulating nations' currency?

Actually, I can shed some light on that. You see, back in the day, I used chemtrails to make ancient humans do all sorts of weird stuff.
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RedPixel posted...

Krazy_Kirby posted...

RedPixel posted...

If you believe in the Illuminati/elite power pulling all the strings through banks, media, military, and the entertainment industry, you already know we're all fucked regardless of political affiliation.

I don't even vote anymore.

/eyeroll

I used to roll my eye at it, too. It wasn't until I started reading up on stuff about ancient astronauts, unexplainable structures apparently built by civilizations who were thought to be nothing more than hunters/gatherers, and stuff about Area 51 and Roswell that I really started having some dots to connect...

In a really weird and seemingly complex way, our enslavement is actually quite simple. On a planet that's ~4.5 billion years old, is it that far-fetched to believe that something smarter came here, created us through genetic engineering, and is manipulating nations' currency?

yes
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

RedPixel posted...

Krazy_Kirby posted...

RedPixel posted...

If you believe in the Illuminati/elite power pulling all the strings through banks, media, military, and the entertainment industry, you already know we're all fucked regardless of political affiliation.

I don't even vote anymore.

/eyeroll

I used to roll my eye at it, too. It wasn't until I started reading up on stuff about ancient astronauts, unexplainable structures apparently built by civilizations who were thought to be nothing more than hunters/gatherers, and stuff about Area 51 and Roswell that I really started having some dots to connect...

In a really weird and seemingly complex way, our enslavement is actually quite simple. On a planet that's ~4.5 billion years old, is it that far-fetched to believe that something smarter came here, created us through genetic engineering, and is manipulating nations' currency?

yes

/closeminded
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I want to break up powerful unions because they hurt workers choice. I also want to break up big businesses because they hurt consumer choice.

I support the right to arm yourself and feel convicts who have paid their debt to society should be able to vote again.

I think the government spends too much on foreign interventions and would rather that money go towards its citizens in the form of education, housing, and healthcare.

I believe foreign citizens should be festricted to how much property they can buy, but we should have an easy path to citizenship.

The corporate tax rate is too high, but the loopholes are too numerous to lower it.

I believe people have a right to their own religion but I think religious entities should pay taxes unless they are doing major contributions to their local community. Too many churches dont actually do much help for the needy.

Climate change is a danger to our citizens and needs to be addressed.

Corn is subsidized too much.
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RedPixel posted...

Krazy_Kirby posted...

RedPixel posted...

Krazy_Kirby posted...

RedPixel posted...

If you believe in the Illuminati/elite power pulling all the strings through banks, media, military, and the entertainment industry, you already know we're all fucked regardless of political affiliation.

I don't even vote anymore.

/eyeroll

I used to roll my eye at it, too. It wasn't until I started reading up on stuff about ancient astronauts, unexplainable structures apparently built by civilizations who were thought to be nothing more than hunters/gatherers, and stuff about Area 51 and Roswell that I really started having some dots to connect...

In a really weird and seemingly complex way, our enslavement is actually quite simple. On a planet that's ~4.5 billion years old, is it that far-fetched to believe that something smarter came here, created us through genetic engineering, and is manipulating nations' currency?

yes

/closeminded

/not a crackpot conspiracy theorist
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I'm a mix between conservative, libertarian, and Hamilton.

Lokarin posted...

Where are you on this normalized chart?

http://static.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/80/20/802028_5483979.jpg

Liberalism
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not voting, they're both identical. ignorant people pulling for people that are laughing at them and taking all their money.
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slacker03150 posted...

I also want to break up big businesses because they hurt consumer choice.

Not really the case outside of service providers (ie, ISPs), but okay.

slacker03150 posted...

I think the government spends too much on foreign interventions and would rather that money go towards its citizens in the form of education, housing, and healthcare.

The more stable their nations are, the fewer people try to immigrate here and consume public services.


slacker03150 posted...

I believe foreign citizens should be festricted to how much property they can buy, but we should have an easy path to citizenship.

It's already a pretty easy path, especially when compared to Asian nations and countries where you have to prove ancestry. At any rate, the US is almost unique in giving foreigners unfettered land purchasing rights (similarly it's a problem in Canada, iirc). A lot of countries try to limit that.

slacker03150 posted...

I believe people have a right to their own religion but I think religious entities should pay taxes unless they are doing major contributions to their local community. Too many churches dont actually do much help for the needy.

Religious entities are non-profits. You don't tax non-profits. Why would you tax non-profits? Do you tax NPR? Do you tax PBS? And, in the case of churches (and a *lot* of religious orders), most of them offer some form of counseling services whereas non-profit broadcasters, for instance, offer no individual benefit.

slacker03150 posted...

The corporate tax rate is too high, but the loopholes are too numerous to lower it.

And it's not like you could just re-write the tax code or something...

slacker03150 posted...

Corn is subsidized too much.

Without subsidies, we'd probably have dangerous shortfalls. But I'm willing to roll the dice on a potential food crisis, why not?
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Imma a asian stealing amurikan jebs. Triggered?
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Zeus posted...

Not really the case outside of service providers (ie, ISPs), but okay.

They are one of the bigger offenders, but not the only ones.

Zeus posted...

The more stable their nations are, the fewer people try to immigrate here and consume public services.

1. I don't mind if people immigrate here and if they are contributing with taxes I see no problem with them consuming public services.
2. I didn't know having drones blow up random buildings stabilized the nation.

Zeus posted...

t's already a pretty easy path,

comparatively easy maybe, but I wouldn't say it is an easy path.

Zeus posted...

Religious entities are non-profits. You don't tax non-profits. Why would you tax non-profits? Do you tax NPR? Do you tax PBS? And, in the case of churches (and a *lot* of religious orders), most of them offer some form of counseling services whereas non-profit broadcasters, for instance, offer no individual benefit.

fair point.

Zeus posted...

And it's not like you could just re-write the tax code or something...

ya, that is what I was getting at.

Zeus posted...

Without subsidies, we'd probably have dangerous shortfalls. But I'm willing to roll the dice on a potential food crisis, why not?

I didn't say farming subsidies, I specifically mentioned corn and I didn't even say get rid of it, just that right now it is too much. Most corn isn't even used as food so even if farmers stopped 80% of corn production, you wouldn't necessarily see a food shortage and that is ignoring the fact that they would be growing something else in the place of corn, so if anything we might have more food.
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

RedPixel posted...

Krazy_Kirby posted...

RedPixel posted...

Krazy_Kirby posted...

RedPixel posted...

If you believe in the Illuminati/elite power pulling all the strings through banks, media, military, and the entertainment industry, you already know we're all fucked regardless of political affiliation.

I don't even vote anymore.

/eyeroll

I used to roll my eye at it, too. It wasn't until I started reading up on stuff about ancient astronauts, unexplainable structures apparently built by civilizations who were thought to be nothing more than hunters/gatherers, and stuff about Area 51 and Roswell that I really started having some dots to connect...

In a really weird and seemingly complex way, our enslavement is actually quite simple. On a planet that's ~4.5 billion years old, is it that far-fetched to believe that something smarter came here, created us through genetic engineering, and is manipulating nations' currency?

yes

/closeminded

/not a crackpot conspiracy theorist

So anyone who thinks outside the box is a crackpot conspiracy theorist. Got it. Glad we can dismiss facts without considering them first.
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^
what facts? aliens creating us through genetic engineering is fact??
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Uhhh Left-Center? I got 5 out of 10 going left on that political compass thing. Does that make me extreme?
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something like left leaning centrist, but nothing to do with zeus
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Are you Liberal or Conservative?

Neither. Definitely (and proudly) neither. ^.^



On the other hand, between "Republican or Democrat", I would identify as "independent, but leaning Republican".



On the "political compass" and quizzes which closely resemble it, I generally test as actually being on the left.

Whereas by contrast, on the "disgust" (chartsme) quiz, I test as ultra-conservative.






Pew Research has a very interesting "typology", which identifies clusters of political preferences on the American political scene.
They revise it every few years.

In the most recent one (2014)
http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/26/the-political-typology-beyond-red-vs-blue/

I strongly identify with the "Hard-Pressed Skeptics", a generally independent grouping, neither conservative nor consistently liberal.
http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2014/06/PP-2014-06-26-typology-1-02.png
http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2014/06/PP-2014-06-26-typology-A1-04.png



In their two releases before that (2011 and 2005)
http://www.people-press.org/2011/05/04/beyond-red-vs-blue-the-political-typology/
http://www.people-press.org/2005/05/10/beyond-red-vs-blue/

I strongly identify with the "Disaffecteds", a generally independent grouping, neither liberal nor consistently conservative.
Who very closely resemble the "Hard-Pressed Skeptics" of three/nine years later, in most ways.
http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2011/05/2011-typology-profiles-10.png
http://www.people-press.org/2005/05/10/profiles-of-the-typology-groups/#disaffecteds




So: not liberal, not conservative. ^.~




Here's a direct link to the quiz if you're interested ^.^
http://www.people-press.org/quiz/political-typology/
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Centrist Libertarian.
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

^
what facts? aliens creating us through genetic engineering is fact??

That's jumping the gun. I'm talking about the facts that lead up to a theory being generated at all.

@Krazy_Kirby

Btw I wasn't calling you close-minded. However, I do believe it's a close-minded approach.

Highly recommend reading "Our Occulted History" by Jim Marrs. I read it as an open-minded but complete skeptic, and it's actually a pretty great read. He used to be a journalist (one of the good ones). Goodreads users gave it an extremely high rating. He doesn't shove any opinions down your throat, he just lays out facts in a pleasant chronological order (tons of citations in the back) and lets you draw your own conclusions.

Totally understand why anyone who mighta seen my post and thought it was a crock of shit, though. It does sound batshit crazy.
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Labels are for cans, man.
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Mostly liberal, though I support capital punishment and oppose abortion.
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Libertarian/AnCap
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slacker03150 posted...

1. I don't mind if people immigrate here and if they are contributing with taxes I see no problem with them consuming public services.
2. I didn't know having drones blow up random buildings stabilized the nation.

1. Public services meaning welfare programs which are in excess of their tax contribution, if any.

2. Drones are a small part of the military which in turn is a small part of US interventionism.

slacker03150 posted...

I didn't say farming subsidies, I specifically mentioned corn and I didn't even say get rid of it, just that right now it is too much. Most corn isn't even used as food so even if farmers stopped 80% of corn production, you wouldn't necessarily see a food shortage and that is ignoring the fact that they would be growing something else in the place of corn, so if anything we might have more food.

Few problems with that. For starters, corn is the primary feed grain in the US, meaning cutbacks would hurt the meat industry -- it's more than having a cob of corn people have to worry about. Second, the subsidies exist to make it viable to grow in the first place considering the amount of land you have to dedicate to it and the low value of the stock. Without the subsidies, it generally wouldn't be financially viable to produce corn which, in turn, would affect countless other aspects of American life. But sure, you could make a libertarian argument to just pull all subsidies, let industries crash, and then eventually trade will normalize... but there's a tremendous short-term pain associated with that.

Otherwise keep in mind that its chief non-food product is ethanol, which is a cleaner alternative to other car fuels (save perhaps electric, if we overlook that said electricity is provided by coal in many cases), and, by virtue of existing, it helps to lower gas prices by diminishing the demand (granted, gas prices are wholly contrived and largely inflated by taxes
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Llamachama posted...

Labels are for cans, man.

This, kinda

for something important for things like, I don't know, matters to the country, a two party system is a very stupid idea. Most people don't even know how to explain arguments for whatever side they're on anyway
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Republican.

I believe that one of the primary problems in 'Murica is an outdated and woefully lacking school system. Especially one that does things like cut recess in favor of cramming in more and more tests. With relatively little spending and focus on re-organization much progress could be made. Courses need to reflect the STEM fields more as well as offer improved understanding of American history (as we are American) alongside world history.

I believe we have the right to have armed and RESPONSIBLE citizens. Incorporating things like fingerprint locks on guns to reduce children accidentally using them or being stolen is a GOOD thing.

I believe that the government is an overly-bloated mess that has been corrupted through and through by party politics and desires to only service itself as opposed to the people.

I believe that, while illegal immigration is an issue, they are used more as a scapegoat to cover up the real problem which is jobs being exported overseas for cheaper labor while people are re-located to cities and the rural areas are given the middle finger.

I believe everyone should have to work a service job for six months consistently in order to be considered a 'legal adult'.

I believe employees should be provided enough money to sustain themselves assuming they work a 40 hour work week.

I believe that the media has become a self-gratifying and overly-bloated beast that is in its dying throws as alternative media becomes more prevalent.

I believe that at least certain substances should be legal for people over the age of 21.

I believe that, even if global warming is a myth, one of our responsibilities as human beings is to take care of the earth and we should be putting in serious efforts to ensure it remains clean and healthy as opposed to an exploited wasteland.

I got a lot more to be certain, but I think you get the general idea.
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It's not so much that I love the Democrats as much as I'm appalled by Republicans. So much that I think just about anything to keep them out of power is most likely better.

Abortion, anti-regulation, trickle down economics.

However, if there was an anti-lobbyist Republican, I would vote for them. Fat chance of that ever happening. Bought out politicians are the real enemy. I guess Trump "pretended" to be anti-establishment, but a glance at his history would have pretty much shown he's as sleazy as the rest.
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I certainly don't feel compelled to tick every box on a long list of "conservative" or "liberal" positions as if I was filling in a membership application form to join a mind-control cult. ("Well, I suppose I ought to hold this belief then, if I want call myself a conservative/liberal.")

I'm either a conservative with some liberal leanings, or a liberal with some conservative tendencies.
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Yellow posted...

However, if there was an anti-lobbyist Republican, I would vote for them. Fat chance of that ever happening. Bought out politicians are the real enemy. I guess Trump "pretended" to be anti-establishment, but a glance at his history would have pretty much shown he's as sleazy as the rest.

Because apparently not taking money makes you bought out. Guess that makes Jeb and Hillary the most honest politicians running, since they had the largest warchests built on corporate interests (and then, of course, Bernie took money from unions and other organizations)
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