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WastelandCowboy 08/03/17 1:42:58 AM #1: |
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-immigration-policy-english-speakers-financial-stable-raise-act-tom-cotton-david-perdue-a7873711.html
President Donald Trump is touting new legislation to overhaul the US immigration system, drastically cutting the number of legal immigrants allowed into the country and implementing a "merit-based" visa scheme. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FourthDimension 08/03/17 1:44:19 AM #2: |
This should incentivize more people to come here illegally.
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jramirez23 08/03/17 1:53:06 AM #3: |
Those last few paragraphs :P
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Lokarin 08/03/17 1:57:20 AM #4: |
Can't wait for Trumps book to come out, Los Kampf
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Rasmoh 08/03/17 2:13:10 AM #5: |
Excellent policy.
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Eamon696 08/03/17 2:21:00 AM #6: |
lol that's ridiculous
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Zeus 08/03/17 2:28:41 AM #7: |
It's a logical policy. Why wouldn't you want financially stable people who can speak the language? They should be a higher priority. Granted, the only downside is that it potentially hurts the middle class to bring in people who might someday take their spot, which is why we usually bring in dregs to hurt the low-income labor market.
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knivesX2004 08/03/17 2:31:51 AM #8: |
Zeus posted...
It's a logical policy. Why wouldn't you want financially stable people who can speak the language? They should be a higher priority. No they shouldn't. There is no official language. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeus 08/03/17 2:35:45 AM #9: |
knivesX2004 posted...
Zeus posted...It's a logical policy. Why wouldn't you want financially stable people who can speak the language? They should be a higher priority. If it's not the official language then why are all government documents written in it? Why is it the default for most legal correspondence? Why is it the default language in our schools? While you can argue some lame semantics about us not naming it the official language, it already is effectively the official language. It's the language people should be speaking when they come over here. --- (\/)(\/)|-| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash ... Copied to Clipboard!
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knivesX2004 08/03/17 2:42:24 AM #10: |
Zeus posted...
If it's not the official language then why are all government documents written in it? Why is it the default for most legal correspondence? Why is it the default language in our schools? While you can argue some lame semantics about us not naming it the official language, it already is effectively the official language. It's the language people should be speaking when they come over here. They're not. There's very clearly options for alternate languages on every single govt form I've ever filled out. It is not the official language because it's not. I can argue all I want about that because there is no document, decree, law, or anything of the like stating so. There's no consequences for not speaking English. Hell the very first fucking thing the framers wrote was you can say whatever you want. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeus 08/03/17 3:19:07 AM #11: |
knivesX2004 posted...
They're not. There's very clearly options for alternate languages on every single govt form I've ever filled out. I must have missed the Spanish version of the ACA, Patriot Act, etc. knivesX2004 posted... It is not the official language because it's not. I can argue all I want about that because there is no document, decree, law, or anything of the like stating so. It's the de facto language. When you come here, it's the language you should know. It's like moving to China while only speaking English. Sure, you might be able to get by, but it's a shitty experience. knivesX2004 posted... There's no consequences for not speaking English. Hell the very first fucking thing the framers wrote was you can say whatever you want. There are no legal consequences for only knowing English in China, however it makes life a helluva lot harder for you. --- (\/)(\/)|-| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheWorstPoster 08/03/17 3:25:09 AM #12: |
As it should be
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Kungfu Kenobi 08/03/17 3:29:44 AM #13: |
I wish Canada would do this, we a actually have official languages to enforce.
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Renzokukenexe 08/03/17 4:33:56 AM #14: |
Absolutely wish the UK would do this. Everyone goes on about how our health service essentially runs on immigrants. I just graduated with a first class degree in biomedical science from a good university and can't get a job as a biomedical scientist because the field is horrendously oversaturated by immigrants who can essentially skip the hardest parts of state registration. The entire field won't take on uk graduates because they know if they select foreign candidates they won't have to take the time and money to train them for state registration.
I've literally just watched myself and a class of 90 other graduates, leave a STEM degree with £30,000+ of debt and no job prospects in the field thanks to uncontrolled immigration. --- FFBE: 627,253,879 [Orlandeau - 951 atk - Excalibur] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheCyborgNinja 08/03/17 7:14:41 AM #15: |
Canada has a strict point-based system and things are going fine. America may as well be pickier. There's no shortage of warm bodies, so being choosy is good. My only complaint with Canada's rules being the lax attitude towards language competency.
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ChipChipperson 08/03/17 1:51:18 PM #16: |
We used to have a similar system in the early 20th century until we threw open the doors to any barbarian who was just hunting monkeys for food a mere week ago. Our liberal immigration has nearly irreparably damaged this nation
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KevinceKostner 08/03/17 1:53:18 PM #17: |
ChipChipperson posted...
We used to have a similar system in the early 20th century until we threw open the doors to any barbarian who was just hunting monkeys for food a mere week ago. Our liberal immigration has nearly irreparably damaged this nation Pretty sure there is a statue that says something different ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Blighboy 08/03/17 2:06:07 PM #18: |
Kungfu Kenobi posted...
I wish Canada would do this, we a actually have official languages to enforce. I'm almost positive Canada already does this, I was under the impression that Canada has an extremely strict immigration policy compared to the States. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mastermix3000 08/03/17 2:10:40 PM #19: |
America is having the biggest identity crisis right now
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Blighboy 08/03/17 2:16:36 PM #20: |
America is a conclusive failed experiment providing a definitive conclusion the multiculturalism hypothesis.
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Ogurisama 08/03/17 2:23:22 PM #21: |
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VeeVees 08/03/17 2:23:54 PM #22: |
Kungfu Kenobi posted...
I wish Canada would do this, we a actually have official languages to enforce. I am pretty sure we already have that. I was a kid so I am not too sure of the procedures but I know my family lawyers were working to get my parents' proof of wealth and stuff and were calling my house all the time for like a month. --- Rudy sucks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Veedrock- 08/03/17 2:47:04 PM #23: |
A 2010 report from the Economic Policy Institute, for example, found that immigration increased the wages of native-born workers by an almost half a percent between 1994 and 2007. I feel like I'm missing some kind of significant context here if this is supposed to be a supportive argument. Seriously, a half percent over 13 years? Also I thought English became the US' official language during W. Bush's presidency. I'm not remembering wrong, I'm seeing numerous articles saying the Senate passed it back in 2006, what happened after that? --- My friends call me Vee. I'm not your friend, buddy. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 08/03/17 2:54:36 PM #24: |
Veedrock- posted...
I feel like I'm missing some kind of significant context here if this is supposed to be a supportive argument. Seriously, a half percent over 13 years? It's not particularly significant, but it is a positive number. 0% would have supported the argument I'm guessing the passage is making (which is that the notion that immigration results in lower wages for natives). 0.5% is even better, even if it's not significant enough to be a pro-immigration argument. Just to shut down a common anti-immigration one. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DorkLink 08/03/17 2:55:32 PM #25: |
ChipChipperson posted...
threw open the doors to any barbarian who was just hunting monkeys for food a mere week ago You totally don't sound ignorant and racist at all ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tropic_Sunset 08/03/17 3:07:34 PM #26: |
DorkLink posted...
ChipChipperson posted...threw open the doors to any barbarian who was just hunting monkeys for food a mere week ago He doesn't? I thought he kind of did. --- "Nostalgia is a hell of a drug." -Magus 10 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DorkLink 08/03/17 3:09:06 PM #27: |
He's the type of guy that probably doesn't realize they have internet in Africa now
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VeeVees 08/03/17 3:11:40 PM #28: |
I have internet but given the chance I'd hunt some monkeys for food.
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Tropic_Sunset 08/03/17 3:16:52 PM #29: |
DorkLink posted...
He's the type of guy that probably doesn't realize they have internet in Africa now Google Fiber? If not, they're savages. VeeVees posted... I have internet but given the chance I'd hunt some monkeys for food. I've heard monkeys are delicious, so this seems an appropriate choice. --- "Nostalgia is a hell of a drug." -Magus 10 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OmegaM 08/03/17 3:34:55 PM #30: |
FYI, if some of these immigrants are coming to the U.S. because U.S. foreign policy has destabilized their own countries (e.g., with the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq), it might be right to let those people in even if they don't have the appropriate skills. Of course, that applies to immigrants to anywhere, not just to the U.S.
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TheWorstPoster 08/03/17 4:02:57 PM #31: |
KevinceKostner posted...
And I am pretty sure that Gustave Eiffel imagined the statue for the Suez Canal instead, but due to disputes over in Egypt, gave it to us in return. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheWorstPoster 08/03/17 4:06:46 PM #32: |
Also, why should we get "Your poor, your impoverished, your hungry"? It only weakens us.
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faramir77 08/03/17 4:46:29 PM #33: |
TheWorstPoster posted...
Also, why should we get "Your poor, your impoverished, your hungry"? It only weakens us. lol --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiCtAUrZbUk -- Defeating the Running Man of Ocarina of Time in a race since 01/17/2009. -- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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knivesX2004 08/03/17 7:37:49 PM #34: |
Zeus posted...
I must have missed the Spanish version of the ACA, Patriot Act, etc. Probably because you didn't ask for it. I'm not arguing that NOT speaking English in America is good, or whatever, I'm just saying there's no Official Language. Would knowing English give you a leg up? Absolutely but it's not an official language and it's not mandatory. Trump can barely form complete sentences in English and he's President. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KevinceKostner 08/03/17 7:47:56 PM #35: |
TheWorstPoster posted...
Also, why should we get "Your poor, your impoverished, your hungry"? It only weakens us. What about your manchildren neets ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeus 08/04/17 1:58:58 AM #36: |
Renzokukenexe posted...
Absolutely wish the UK would do this. Everyone goes on about how our health service essentially runs on immigrants. I just graduated with a first class degree in biomedical science from a good university and can't get a job as a biomedical scientist because the field is horrendously oversaturated by immigrants who can essentially skip the hardest parts of state registration. The entire field won't take on uk graduates because they know if they select foreign candidates they won't have to take the time and money to train them for state registration. Which is a massive problem in the US as well. adjl posted... Veedrock- posted...I feel like I'm missing some kind of significant context here if this is supposed to be a supportive argument. Seriously, a half percent over 13 years? Plus it's a sketchy claim in general that, at best, has a correlation rather than a causation. knivesX2004 posted... Zeus posted...I must have missed the Spanish version of the ACA, Patriot Act, etc. And I'm just saying, official or not, they should speak the language. --- (\/)(\/)|-| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smarkil 08/04/17 2:08:07 AM #37: |
knivesX2004 posted...
Probably because you didn't ask for it. Oh please, stop being pedantic. It's the fucking official language. We don't need to pass a bill in congress to establish it because it's a de facto language. Even fucking England doesn't call English it's official language. Why? Because it doesn't need to. It invented the shit. *Pushes glasses up onto nose* Well ackshually english isn't the official language --- If my daughter was in it, Id have to be the co-star - Deoxxys on porn ... Copied to Clipboard!
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