Current Events > C/D: Rich people are nowhere near as mentally strong as poor people are

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I grew up poor and i'd love to see a rich person survive my childhood

Being poor and having nights when I had no food to eat after school

Not to mention not being able to buy clothes for years and having to wear ones from my childhood that didnt fit me anymore at the time




Most rich and wealthy people wouldnt survive 1 hour of my hard life growing up
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What about rich people that started out poor and then worked hard to become rich.
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This is completely guessing but I feel like there is a difference between rich people and rich people with inherited wealth

I would imagine that someone who worked all their lives with blood, sweat and tears, regardless of childhood, would be a very tough person

Now inherited wealth babies are delicate snowflakes
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See also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo

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Most poor people are poor because they make bad decisions, which is a sign of being mentally weak.

(excluding people who are poor/homeless due to mental illness, which is not what we're discussing in this topic)
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Something that I've noticed is that most people can't take any amount of discomfort to their schedule whatsoever, even if only temporary.

Like there is a girl that I know that has some financial issues that recently happened to her. She has finally gotten a new job and thats cool, but then I suggested "Hey maybe to get back on your feet quicker, you should try applying at a place near your house and maybe working weekends for a few months" Hell we even did the math and figured it would be about 3 to 5 months of doing that and she would be financially back on track as long as there were no new hiccups

Nope, she wouldn't even consider it though. I guess I just have a different mentality than most others.
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The Admiral posted...

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Most poor people are poor because they make bad decisions, which is a sign of being mentally weak.

I think its the other way around, there's basically no chance of someone born in the top quintile to ever fall to the bottom
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The Admiral posted...

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Most poor people are poor because they make bad decisions, which is a sign of being mentally weak.

Most people make bad decisions (particularly with money)

Some just have more of a cushion.
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The Admiral posted...

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Most poor people are poor because they make bad decisions, which is a sign of being mentally weak.

Basically this.
Most are born into it (poverty) but that doesn't make them "mentally strong" or tough.
Rich people tend to be better a "life".
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Wowwwwie tough lil kiddo had to skip dinner a few nights
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

The Admiral posted...

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Most poor people are poor because they make bad decisions, which is a sign of being mentally weak.

Basically this.
Most are born into it (poverty) but that doesn't make them "mentally strong" or tough.
Rich people tend to be better a "life".

Sometimes being born is a bad decision.
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Burgess posted...

Sometimes being born is a bad decision.

Bad decisions come afterwards like dropping out of school, abusing drugs, irresponsible spending, not managing debt, etc etc.
I know everyone likes to paint the poor as genius saints that are being kept down but the man but no.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Bad decisions come afterwards like dropping out of school, abusing drugs, irresponsible spending, not managing debt, etc etc.
I know everyone likes to paint the poor as genius saints that are being kept down but the man but no.

it's more of a recognition that a lot of what happens in your first sentence is a result of poverty, not just a cause
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

The Admiral posted...

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Most poor people are poor because they make bad decisions, which is a sign of being mentally weak.

Basically this.
Most are born into it (poverty) but that doesn't make them "mentally strong" or tough.
Rich people tend to be better a "life".

so are they poor because they make bad decisions or are they born into it?!?!?


Which is it??!!!!!
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Look at this topic XD
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Deny
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Turtlebread posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

The Admiral posted...

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Most poor people are poor because they make bad decisions, which is a sign of being mentally weak.

Basically this.
Most are born into it (poverty) but that doesn't make them "mentally strong" or tough.
Rich people tend to be better a "life".

so are they poor because they make bad decisions or are they born into it?!?!?


Which is it??!!!!!

Maybe she's born with it
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Turtlebread posted...

so are they poor because they make bad decisions or are they born into it?!?!?
Which is it??!!!!!

In America, you can rise above your station. #Freedom
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Turtlebread posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

The Admiral posted...

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Most poor people are poor because they make bad decisions, which is a sign of being mentally weak.

Basically this.
Most are born into it (poverty) but that doesn't make them "mentally strong" or tough.
Rich people tend to be better a "life".

so are they poor because they make bad decisions or are they born into it?!?!?


Which is it??!!!!!

Start poor because they're born into it, stay poor because they make bad decisions (i.e. have kids out of wedlock, commit crime, blow off education, join gangs, etc.).
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I mean, people have examined this, in reference to early life stress and resilience, and it seems to bore out as relatively true:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3124941/
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The Admiral posted...

Turtlebread posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

The Admiral posted...

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Most poor people are poor because they make bad decisions, which is a sign of being mentally weak.

Basically this.
Most are born into it (poverty) but that doesn't make them "mentally strong" or tough.
Rich people tend to be better a "life".

so are they poor because they make bad decisions or are they born into it?!?!?


Which is it??!!!!!

Start poor because they're born into it, stay poor because they make bad decisions (i.e. have kids out of wedlock, commit crime, blow off education, join gangs, etc.).

They make bad decisions because they are poor. They are more likely to grow up with a poor home life and worse education, in a community filled with drugs and crime. It is a vicious cycle.
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aren't poor people just rich people that don't have money
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Growing up rich? I'd agree.

Becoming rich? Probably mentally tougher than most. Even if they started out kinda rich and just made themselves more rich.
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Rich people have comfortable lives with little struggle or suffering, so they often don't grow as a person.
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Deny, just look at the hundreds of poor lottery winner stories where they end up back to being poor.
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Are you making this post just to get validation?

Nothing says Alpha like getting validation from other people how has made bad decisions in their life.
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I would call myself middle class but I am by far the weakest person I know mentally.

Sooooooooo I dunno what that means for this topic but there tis.
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the poorest person i know was wracked with delusions of superiority; just as much a genius as any artist, they just didn't apply themselves. i see that here: claiming a moral victory in the face of tons of evidence.

if you're so tough, why aren't you succeeding?
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Pancake posted...

the face of tons of evidence

I mean, there's a lot of evidence that a harder early life can breed resilience, see my above post.
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Pancake posted...

the poorest person i know was wracked with delusions of superiority; just as much a genius as any artist, they just didn't apply themselves. i see that here: claiming a moral victory in the face of tons of evidence.

if you're so tough, why aren't you succeeding?

I am succeeding nowadays

I made something of myself and got a career and have a stable family life

I just made this post because i'm reflecting on the past and i'm just thinking many rich people wont survive what I went through
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read somewhere... (maybe malcolm gladwells david & goliath?)pointed out how ivy league schools have the smartest and brightest but theyre not as mentally strong. They were top of their schools until college where they become another student. For some students, this leveled student base grounds them. 30 top students in classes are all the top 30. Some excel in these enviroments. Others fail to be the top in their class. It makes them compete more to be the best. However, they are more likely to succumb to high levels of stress because they werent conditioned for it in a sense that these smart students were always the top tiers of academic hierarchy. So that stress complied with the academics leads to depression and other possible disorders. He goes on to make the point that students simply dont have the tools to enable themselves to succeed in college as life becomes more complex.

He further argues the struggling student that managed to get high grades in an enviroment that constantly challenges their mental fortitude is more likely to succeed in college. Broken households, a job, kids, some other perceived obstacle that wouldnt allow 100% focus on college to others. These struggling students find a way. Thats why he believes ivy league schools accept a small percentage of hardworking students. These execeptional students thrive in both the real world and academics. He believes these students should be accepted more in college because their drive makes them better compliments to the college.

But like other things these are just analyzing the other half of peoples. The book tries makes readers aware theres another side of the story. The reverse can be said about poor people settling in life because thats all they know...maybe insert reason here also applies. So many reasons can explain the mentality of living in poor conditions while the various posts point out this is why they poor. All this points to how education can benefit the poor the most because of this limitation they put themselves in or society places on them.
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I'm going to tell you the real secret of being mentally tough. If you have been through this, then you are truly mentally tough, not because you claim to be.

- You've been through a lot of failures and you learned from those failures and become successful.
- You've been rejected by a lot of women and you brush it off like it's nothing.
- You are self-reliant and independent. You don't need anyone to give you money because you believe that you can get yourself through any situation.

So tell me, are you really mentally strong?
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AzNDarkSamurai posted...

Most rich and wealthy people wouldnt survive 1 hour of my hard life growing up

and what, then die?

People survive whatever they have to survive, basically.
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Link HT posted...

People survive whatever they have to survive, basically.

or, you know, they don't
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Burgess posted...

What about rich people that started out poor and then became rich.

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Ever talked to a truly poor person? Not just some college kid who can't afford the latest iPhone?
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I mean, there's a lot of evidence that a harder early life can breed resilience, see my above post.

the subject line says 'mentally strong'. resilience (as termed by the authors of that article) refers more to a 'safer' reaction to stressors.

I made something of myself and got a career and have a stable family life

then i think it's reasonable to say that you're tough where it counts.

i'm just thinking many rich people wont survive what I went through

i don't think anyone has died to missing a few meals and wearing old clothes.
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Pancake posted...

the subject line says 'mentally strong'. resilience (as termed by the authors of that article) refers more to a 'safer' reaction to stressors.

Resilience is going to be the closest academic equivalent to the phrase "mentally strong".

More or less, it means the ability to bounce to equilibrium after a stressor.
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Resilience is going to be the closest academic equivalent to the phrase "mentally strong".

i suppose my question becomes whether or not you consider this to be desensitization or not.
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Confirmed?

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

I'm going to tell you the real secret of being mentally tough. If you have been through this, then you are truly mentally tough, not because you claim to be.

- You've been through a lot of failures and you learned from those failures and become successful.
- You've been rejected by a lot of women and you brush it off like it's nothing.
- You are self-reliant and independent. You don't need anyone to give you money because you believe that you can get yourself through any situation.

So tell me, are you really mentally strong?

1. Yes been through many failures in life. I never let it stop me from getting to where I am right now.

2. I used to be awful at this lol. Being devastated when a woman rejected me. Now that I have a long term gf and a baby.... it's basically nothing to me if a girl rejects me.

3. I can definitely function independently. I always find ways.
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AzNDarkSamurai posted...

1. Yes been through many failures in life. I never let it stop me from getting to where I am right now.

2. I used to be awful at this lol. Being devastated when a woman rejected me. Now that I have a long term gf and a baby.... it's basically nothing to me if a girl rejects me.

3. I can definitely function independently. I always find ways.

Then you are not as poor as you think you are.

Bernie Sanders supporters are poor.
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Depends on where they start out. If you remain poor because you don't know how to defer gratification, you are not mentally tough at all.

If you're a trust fund kid, then you probably never face adversity.
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bump
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D. A large portion poor people I know have given up trying to improve their own situation through work.

I don't know any rich people who aren't out there hustling.
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Lol
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Haha I'm glad I was born into a middle class family. Those rich suckers don't know what they're missing!

;_;
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KILBOTz posted...

I don't know any rich people who aren't out there hustling.

I know several, but I think that might be a product of the demographics of where we live
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KILBOTz posted...

I don't know any rich people who aren't out there hustling.

I don't know any self-made rich people who aren't.
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