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Giant_Aspirin
08/10/17 1:21:54 PM
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scorpion41 posted...
if ww3 breaks out it would be viable to suspend elections until it is over. But another small scale war like Iraq then no.


i wouldn't put it past Drumpf to start a war just so he can bypass the election and remain fearless leader
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Darkman124
08/10/17 1:23:01 PM
#52:


scorpion41 posted...
if ww3 breaks out it would be viable to suspend elections until it is over. But another small scale war like Iraq then no.


we didn't have to do that during ww2

we shouldn't now
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TheVipaGTS
08/10/17 1:30:27 PM
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Milkman5 posted...
Didn't democrats want Obama to still be president or am I forgetting something

Yea of course we would have. Did elected democrats say they'd change the rules and support a 3rd term if Obama declared it?
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3rd_Best_Master
08/10/17 1:33:26 PM
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Milkman5 posted...
Didn't democrats want Obama to still be president or am I forgetting something

Context, it seems.
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BLAKUboy
08/10/17 1:36:33 PM
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3rd_Best_Master posted...
Context, it seems.

Republicans, Trumpeters especially, don't believe in context.
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Tmaster148
08/10/17 1:37:42 PM
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Asherlee10 posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Darkman124 posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
There are some threats to internal validity with this method, the largest one being that online survey takers that are Republicans may not accurately represent your average Republican in the U.S. Almost 80% of U.S. adults are online, however. So, I don't know.


I don't think the methodology implies response bias as an issue


I think it does to a degree. I would think that online-survey takers probably have different characteristics, maybe even different beliefs, than non-online-survey takers. Also, I would want to know what URL the survey was on (did they takers know this was WaPo?).

Could be wrong, but I was taught in Research Methods that it's hard to avoid bias in surveys like this.


Online surveys can still be good data if done right. Plus you can still do random sampling with online surveys so there might not be a link to the survey as it was sent to people registered as republican randomly.


Maybe. I think it's incredibly difficult. This exert describes it well:

People who respond to a request to complete an online survey are likely to be more interested in or enthusiastic about the topic and therefore more willing to complete the survey, which biases the results. In fact, the very nature of the Internet, as an information-seeking tool, contributes to this form of bias.


You can't really escape opt-in nature of surveys even offline. You can't force people to take a survey even if you call them up on the phone.
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Darkman124
08/10/17 1:41:19 PM
#58:


Tmaster148 posted...
You can't really escape opt-in nature of surveys even offline. You can't force people to take a survey even if you call them up on the phone


the way you escape it is increase population size

huge difference from just letting whoever participate in a survey and randomly picking amongst the responses. that's how you get response bias--people who participated WITHOUT BEING ASKED.
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Mal_Fet
08/10/17 1:47:38 PM
#59:


Smashingpmkns posted...
Damn It's barely his first year and they're already talking about postponing the election lol

By "they" you mean the Washington Post?
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hockeybub89
08/10/17 1:50:53 PM
#60:


Mal_Fet posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
Damn It's barely his first year and they're already talking about postponing the election lol

By "they" you mean the Washington Post?

This is definitely not a topic someone who isn't a Trump supporter should waste time defending him. There aren't enough hours in the day to fight this battle for someone meaningless to you.
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Mal_Fet
08/10/17 1:57:19 PM
#61:


hockeybub89 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
Damn It's barely his first year and they're already talking about postponing the election lol

By "they" you mean the Washington Post?

This is definitely not a topic someone who isn't a Trump supporter should waste time defending him. There aren't enough hours in the day to fight this battle for someone meaningless to you.

Lol what? Why is there a need to defend Trump here? Did he ever actually suggest postponing the election?
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Darkman124
08/10/17 2:02:37 PM
#62:


mal is correct: the issue here is not fascism seizing control in America; the issue is people who hold political views similar to his being open to embracing fascism

still haven't heard him say "I do not agree with the idea of postponing an election"
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Mal_Fet
08/10/17 2:04:38 PM
#63:


Darkman124 posted...
mal is correct: the issue here is not fascism seizing control in America; the issue is people who hold political views similar to his being open to embracing fascism

still haven't heard him say "I do not agree with the idea of postponing an election"

Haven't heard him say "I do not agree with cannibalism". Most mean he's a cannibal.
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tommybel89
08/10/17 2:05:48 PM
#64:


I wish the other traitor was still in charge. At least he actually did some "traitoring".
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hockeybub89
08/10/17 2:06:50 PM
#65:


Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
Damn It's barely his first year and they're already talking about postponing the election lol

By "they" you mean the Washington Post?

This is definitely not a topic someone who isn't a Trump supporter should waste time defending him. There aren't enough hours in the day to fight this battle for someone meaningless to you.

Lol what? Why is there a need to defend Trump here? Did he ever actually suggest postponing the election?

I was just saying a non-Trump supporter like you doesn't even really need to be in this topic at all. Please do us a favor and drop all pretenses. Who talks about that which they do not care about?
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Mal_Fet
08/10/17 2:07:00 PM
#66:


Also

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/286105-majority-of-democrats-want-third-term-for-obama

^ Look at all those fascism-loving Obama supporters!
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OpheliaAdenade
08/10/17 2:07:19 PM
#67:


Mal_Fet posted...
Darkman124 posted...
mal is correct: the issue here is not fascism seizing control in America; the issue is people who hold political views similar to his being open to embracing fascism

still haven't heard him say "I do not agree with the idea of postponing an election"

Haven't heard him say "I do not agree with cannibalism". Most mean he's a cannibal.


Just like how not saying "Radical Islamic Terrorism" is the same as condoning radical Islamic terrorism, eh Mal? :v
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3rd_Best_Master
08/10/17 2:07:30 PM
#68:


Mal_Fet posted...
Darkman124 posted...
mal is correct: the issue here is not fascism seizing control in America; the issue is people who hold political views similar to his being open to embracing fascism

still haven't heard him say "I do not agree with the idea of postponing an election"

Haven't heard him say "I do not agree with cannibalism". Most mean he's a cannibal.

Yet you'll whine about Muslims not jumping through hoops to denounce terrorism.
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Darkman124
08/10/17 2:07:33 PM
#69:


Mal_Fet posted...
Haven't heard him say "I do not agree with cannibalism". Most mean he's a cannibal.


red herring fallacy try again

my recommendation is to start with "no I obviously don't hold this view, how ridiculous" if you don't hold that view
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hockeybub89
08/10/17 2:11:20 PM
#70:


Mal_Fet posted...
Also

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/286105-majority-of-democrats-want-third-term-for-obama

^ Look at all those fascism-loving Obama supporters!

Both sides are partisan hypocrites. Shocker. But were you But Bushing when people criticized Obama? No, because you are a fall in line Republican. You are everything you hate about the Democrats.
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Mal_Fet
08/10/17 2:13:12 PM
#71:


hockeybub89 posted...
Both sides are partisan hypocrites. Shocker. But were you But Bushing when people criticized Obama?

No, I criticized Obama over his actual policies, not based on some poll that an obviously-biased site created.
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Darkman124
08/10/17 2:15:51 PM
#72:


Mal_Fet posted...
obviously-biased site


there is no data to suggest the poll results are invalid or nonrepresentative as has been discussed earlier

but we can agree that this is not cause for criticizing trump
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HiddenLurker
08/10/17 2:20:58 PM
#74:


The survey interviewed a sample of 1,325 Americans from June 5 through 20.


Last I checked something like 63 million people voted for Donald Trump.
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Darkman124
08/10/17 2:21:11 PM
#75:


Asherlee10 posted...
Why would an American want something that resembles a dictatorship?


because it means their 'side' wins
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Iodine
08/10/17 2:23:02 PM
#76:


Darkman124 posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Why would an American want something that resembles a dictatorship?


because it means their 'side' wins

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TheVipaGTS
08/10/17 2:48:35 PM
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Yea it's kinda sad. Trump could rule like a dictator and keep his entire base living in poverty and they'll just say "but at least those damn liberals didn't win!"
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Mal_Fet
08/10/17 2:58:38 PM
#79:


TheVipaGTS posted...
Yea it's kinda sad. Trump could rule like a dictator and keep his entire base living in poverty and they'll just say "but at least those damn liberals didn't win!"

Mal_Fet posted...
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/286105-majority-of-democrats-want-third-term-for-obama

^ Look at all those fascism-loving Obama supporters!

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TheVipaGTS
08/10/17 3:00:56 PM
#80:


Mal_Fet posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
Yea it's kinda sad. Trump could rule like a dictator and keep his entire base living in poverty and they'll just say "but at least those damn liberals didn't win!"

Mal_Fet posted...
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/286105-majority-of-democrats-want-third-term-for-obama

^ Look at all those fascism-loving Obama supporters!

All that proves is that they didn't want Hillary either. It just shows seem how big of a shit show this past election was. It's not the same as republicans siding with Trump if he delayed the election. Keep trying Mal. One day you'll win.
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MasterMacLeod
08/10/17 3:06:12 PM
#81:


tremain07 posted...
Oh please, you liberals would be okay with this,too if it were your guy in charge. I specifically remember you traitors wishing Obama had a third term instead of having to pick between Clinton and Trump. See, this is why Trump won, the hypocritical left refuses to own up to their own shit.


B-but OBAMA!!!!
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Mal_Fet
08/10/17 3:06:30 PM
#82:


TheVipaGTS posted...

All that proves is that they didn't want Hillary either. It just shows seem how big of a shit show this past election was. It's not the same as elected republicans siding with Trump if he delayed the election.

It's literally the same thing. 1/2 of Republicans apparently want to cancel the election in order to let Trump continue serving. Well, 2/3 of Democrats would've cancelled the election and let Obama continue serving.

So therefore Democrats are more fascist than Republicans are, yeah?
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MasterMacLeod
08/10/17 3:07:55 PM
#83:


Mal_Fet posted...
Well, 2/3 of Democrats would've cancelled the election and let Obama continue serving.


Third term isn't cancelling the election, Mal.

Why do even defend Trump 24/7? Aren't you a Libertarian?
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TheBiggerWiggle
08/10/17 3:08:54 PM
#84:


It's interesting that several people can agree this article isn't worth criticizing Trump, yet mal can't agree that the idea of postponing an election is bad.
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TheVipaGTS
08/10/17 3:09:39 PM
#85:


No it's not the same thing. If I was asked if I COULD vote a third term for Obama instead of Hillary, I'd choose Obama. A hypothetical where a 3rd term exists is not the same as canceling the election.
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Mal_Fet
08/10/17 3:11:10 PM
#86:


TheBiggerWiggle posted...
yet mal can't agree that the idea of postponing an election is bad.

Of course I agree it's bad.

But when the statement is made that "half of Republicans are fascist because they would support such a thing", it becomes necessary to point out that, by that logic, Democrats are more fascist than Republicans are since more of them supported that when it was their president who was in charge.
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Ving_Rhames
08/10/17 3:12:25 PM
#87:


tremain07 posted...
See, this is why Trump won


TRUMP WON BECAUSE OF THE PPL THAT DIDNT VOTE FOR HIM HERES WHY

Just stfu lmao
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Mal_Fet
08/10/17 3:12:59 PM
#88:


TheVipaGTS posted...
No it's not the same thing. If I was asked if I COULD vote a third term for Obama instead of Hillary,

That's not what the poll asked :)

Keep trying Vipa. One day you'll win.
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SGT_Conti
08/10/17 3:13:49 PM
#89:


HiddenLurker posted...
The survey interviewed a sample of 1,325 Americans from June 5 through 20.


Last I checked something like 63 million people voted for Donald Trump.

Do people who say stuff like this want a sample size of 63 million people or something? You may as well just abolish polls and surveys of all kinds. And while we're at it, reviews as well because not everyone who went to a place or used a product leaves a review or feedback. Medical studies too because their sample size isn't everyone.
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TheVipaGTS
08/10/17 3:18:12 PM
#90:


Mal the link you posted is about approval rating. I was just responding based on how you were interpreting it.
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Mal_Fet
08/10/17 3:25:26 PM
#91:


TheVipaGTS posted...
Mal the link you posted is about approval rating. I was just responding based on how you were interpreting it.

Omg, you didn't even read it

A strong majority of Democrats would cancel the 2016 presidential election between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump if it meant President Obama could serve another term, a new poll found.


Just quit while you're ahead, bro...
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TheVipaGTS
08/10/17 3:29:05 PM
#92:


What question were they asked in the poll? Based on the link you posted it sounds like they were asked if they'd take a 3rd Obama term over Hillary.
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Darkman124
08/10/17 3:29:08 PM
#93:


Mal_Fet posted...
Of course I agree it's bad.


glad to hear we are all of one mind on this issue
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Mal_Fet
08/10/17 3:31:03 PM
#94:


TheVipaGTS posted...
What question were they asked in the poll?

would cancel the 2016 presidential election between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump if it meant President Obama could serve another term

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TheVipaGTS
08/10/17 3:33:22 PM
#95:


That's not the question they were asked. They were asked if they'd prefer a 3rd term of Obama or Hillary.
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MasterMacLeod
08/10/17 3:34:23 PM
#96:


TheVipaGTS posted...
That's not the question they were asked. They were asked if they'd prefer a 3rd term of Obama or Hillary.


Shhhhhh.

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Mal_Fet
08/10/17 3:35:08 PM
#97:


TheVipaGTS posted...
That's not the question they were asked. They were asked if they'd prefer a 3rd term of Obama or Hillary.

Quote where they said that was the question.
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TheVipaGTS
08/10/17 3:38:11 PM
#98:


Mal_Fet posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
That's not the question they were asked. They were asked if they'd prefer a 3rd term of Obama or Hillary.

Quote where they said that was the question.

Quote where the question was about canceling the election. It's in the very next sentence what they were actually asked. Sounds like you fell for sensationalist journalism. lol Mal.
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Mal_Fet
08/10/17 3:40:52 PM
#99:


TheVipaGTS posted...
Quote where the question was about canceling the election.

post #91, champ.
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UnholyMudcrab
08/10/17 3:56:35 PM
#100:


Something seems fishy about this poll that Mal keeps trying to push. The poll itself was conducted (supposedly, anyway) by a Republican pollster, the link he posted doesn't give the source data or the actual wording of the question, and I can't find it through a Google search.
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