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WastelandCowboy 08/12/17 3:48:10 PM #1: |
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/12/us/charlottesville-white-nationalists-rally/index.html
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WastelandCowboy 08/12/17 3:48:24 PM #2: |
People punched and kicked each other during various scuffles, which often were broken up from within crowds, without police intervention, CNN video shows. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Golden Road 08/12/17 3:52:23 PM #3: |
Do we know which protesters the driver was aiming for?
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TheCyborgNinja 08/12/17 3:53:47 PM #4: |
The problem is free speech is a thing, and getting violent is pointless.
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DorkLink 08/12/17 3:59:49 PM #5: |
Just don't call these guys brandishing Nazi flags neo-Nazis
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shadowsword87 08/12/17 4:17:06 PM #6: |
Good job guys.
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Duck-I-Says 08/12/17 4:48:09 PM #7: |
I watched the video. Looked like a lot more like an intentional attack than a panicked driver. If it turns this guy is a white nationalist or part of that rally then it really needs to be labelled a terrorist attack. Doing otherwise would be hypocritical given that when this happens in Europe and is done by Muslims it is.
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TheCyborgNinja 08/12/17 4:53:53 PM #8: |
Duck-I-Says posted...
I watched the video. Looked like a lot more like an intentional attack than a panicked driver. If it turns this guy is a white nationalist or part of that rally then it really needs to be labelled a terrorist attack. Doing otherwise would be hypocritical given that when this happens in Europe and is done by Muslims it is. Not really, when the counter-protesters were already an unruly mob. It's hardly a random killing spree in a peaceful area. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ivalice_VKP 08/12/17 4:55:57 PM #9: |
I'm from Virginia (a few hours from Charlottesville) and this all disgusts me.
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Duck-I-Says 08/12/17 4:56:38 PM #10: |
TheCyborgNinja posted...
Not really, when the counter-protesters were already an unruly mob. It's hardly a random killing spree in a peaceful area. Doesn't have to be. All it needs to be is a targeted ideological attack. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheCyborgNinja 08/12/17 4:59:34 PM #11: |
I just do not understand what the counter-protesters expect to accomplish. The whole thing just makes the people they hate dig in their heels... It's just adding a sense of validity to those at the rally. Is that really what they want?!
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TheCyborgNinja 08/12/17 5:01:08 PM #12: |
Duck-I-Says posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...Not really, when the counter-protesters were already an unruly mob. It's hardly a random killing spree in a peaceful area. So the counter-protesters are terrorists..? Technically they began the actual conflict portion. (I'm not defending them, I don't like either side here.) --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Erik_P 08/12/17 5:01:10 PM #13: |
TheCyborgNinja posted...
Duck-I-Says posted...I watched the video. Looked like a lot more like an intentional attack than a panicked driver. If it turns this guy is a white nationalist or part of that rally then it really needs to be labelled a terrorist attack. Doing otherwise would be hypocritical given that when this happens in Europe and is done by Muslims it is. Look at the alt right hate monger claim that the counter protesters were the violent ones and the neo Nazis are totally innocent in all this. --- #welchingalldayerrday ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Erik_P 08/12/17 5:02:44 PM #14: |
TheCyborgNinja posted...
Duck-I-Says posted...TheCyborgNinja posted...Not really, when the counter-protesters were already an unruly mob. It's hardly a random killing spree in a peaceful area. Bullshit. You've been attacking the counter protesters this entire time. Only one side brought weapons and it was the neo Nazis. They were looking for a fight. --- #welchingalldayerrday ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheCyborgNinja 08/12/17 5:03:38 PM #15: |
Erik_P posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...Duck-I-Says posted...TheCyborgNinja posted...Not really, when the counter-protesters were already an unruly mob. It's hardly a random killing spree in a peaceful area. They were ready because they knew some butthurt people would cause trouble due to the fact everyone hates them. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KevinceKostner 08/12/17 5:04:37 PM #16: |
Are people gonna wank that Trump won't talk badly if these guys like they said about Obama and BLM?
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Bligh_with_no_T 08/12/17 5:15:56 PM #17: |
TheCyborgNinja posted...
They were ready because they knew some butthurt people would cause trouble due to the fact everyone hates them. Update: Man in car was an on duty police officer who "feared for his safety" --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheCyborgNinja 08/12/17 5:21:38 PM #18: |
Bligh_with_no_T posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...They were ready because they knew some butthurt people would cause trouble due to the fact everyone hates them. Lol, well the counters were the only danger to police. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KevinceKostner 08/12/17 5:23:23 PM #19: |
Bligh_with_no_T posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...They were ready because they knew some butthurt people would cause trouble due to the fact everyone hates them. Their signs looked like guns to to be fair ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lightning Bolt 08/12/17 8:51:36 PM #20: |
Guys Bligh is not to be trusted.
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darkknight109 08/12/17 9:01:00 PM #22: |
You know, just a thought for a couple people in this topic - if you ever find yourself in a situation where you're defending actual Nazis, who were chanting actual slogans like "Jews will not replace us", you might want to do some hard thinking about what you're doing with your life.
Golden Road posted... Do we know which protesters the driver was aiming for? The counter-protesters. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 08/12/17 9:01:49 PM #23: |
I have decided not to go to virginia today
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SkynyrdRocker 08/12/17 9:04:47 PM #24: |
Mead posted...
I have decided not to go to virginia today It's great everywhere in not Charlottesville. Well not great, but you know, the same as always. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mastermix3000 08/12/17 9:21:14 PM #25: |
KevinceKostner posted...
Are people gonna wank that Trump won't talk badly if these guys like they said about Obama and BLM? These guys are his supporters of course he isn't gonna talk badly America needs a huge civil movement, again --- RIP in peace Junpei 6/1/17 :( ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rasmoh 08/12/17 9:23:46 PM #26: |
darkknight109 posted...
if you ever find yourself in a situation where you're defending actual Nazis, who were chanting actual slogans like "Jews will not replace us", you might want to do some hard thinking about what you're doing with your life. For starters, I'm pretty sure they were shouting "You will not replace us." Secondly, most importantly, this is almost exactly how groups like ISIS form. Otherwise normal people with normal concerns become radicalized because of a disproportionate response from opposition. Normal white people see a nigh-constant barrage of anti-white sentiment in media, academia, politics and workplaces and if they dare voice an opinion against that, the people pushing the anti-white narrative go straight for the jugular in terms of ruining that person's life. Just look at that guy from Google, for instance. Thusly, an environment is created where these people essentially either have to sit in silence and fear or join forces with the extreme ends of the spectrum they align with. While it would normally be repugnant for one to do such a thing, it instead becomes the only choice because the other side is constantly attacking them simply for being white. I'm not defending Nazis, but you'd have to be blind to not see why people are identifying more and more with that side of the political spectrum. --- Miami Dolphins | Portland Trailblazers | San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doctor Foxx 08/12/17 9:23:59 PM #27: |
darkknight109 posted...
You know, just a thought for a couple people in this topic - if you ever find yourself in a situation where you're defending actual Nazis, who were chanting actual slogans like "Jews will not replace us", you might want to do some hard thinking about what you're doing with your life. You would think... Sigh --- Never write off the Doctor! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doctor Foxx 08/12/17 9:26:36 PM #28: |
Rasmoh posted...
While it would normally be repugnant for one to do such a thing, it instead becomes the only choice because the other side is constantly attacking them simply for being white. I have never in my life felt the need to defend or side with Nazis because I am white and the number of people supporting these hate groups is fucking ridiculous. Grow a thicker skin; don't become a skinhead --- Never write off the Doctor! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DorkLink 08/12/17 9:32:48 PM #29: |
Doctor Foxx posted...
Rasmoh posted...While it would normally be repugnant for one to do such a thing, it instead becomes the only choice because the other side is constantly attacking them simply for being white. Yeah, I'm white and I don't feel like we are threatened by "anti-white" sentiment. The people who use that as a defense are insecure and probably already had some deep-seated racist tendencies. It goes against all common sense to start becoming worse than what people denounce you for because you're tired of being denounced for it. Tired of whites being characterized as racist shitheads? Then maybe don't add yourself to the number of racist shitheads. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Erik_P 08/12/17 9:33:33 PM #30: |
While it would normally be repugnant for one to do such a thing, it instead becomes the only choice because the other side is constantly attacking them simply for being white. People aren't fucking attacking Nazis for being white; they're being attacked because they're a damn hate group. Trying to spin some bullshit defense for siding with them really is a pitiful new low, even for you @Rasmoh. Just admit that you're a hateful bigot and you want whites to be the master race. Not that difficult. --- #welchingalldayerrday ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 08/12/17 9:33:54 PM #31: |
I'm white and I feel that Jersey Mike's is better than any other sandwich shop that I know about
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adjl 08/12/17 9:41:51 PM #32: |
Rasmoh posted...
While it would normally be repugnant for one to do such a thing, it instead becomes the only choice because the other side is constantly attacking them simply for being white. I like how, no more than a year ago, these same people were criticizing tumblrinas for being fragile snowflakes that couldn't handle dissenting viewpoints. And yet now becoming a literal Nazi because of a little name-calling (that gets hideously exaggerated) is considered a reasonable response that's easy to empathize with? Now who's pathetically thin-skinned... --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DorkLink 08/12/17 10:02:03 PM #33: |
People will just find a way to blame liberals for everything since they can't actually defend views that stand on otherwise shaky ground. It's just like all the people who scramble to find some vaguely similar Hillary or Obama example to defend terrible things that Trump gets called out for.
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Golden Road 08/12/17 10:04:53 PM #34: |
Rasmoh posted...
I'm not defending Nazis, but you'd have to be blind to not see why people are identifying more and more with that side of the political spectrum. They need to spend less time on Tumblr, then. Tumblr is not the outside world. If a black person on Tumblr saying they hate white people is enough for a white person to become a neo-nazi, that white person was looking for an excuse to sign up to begin with. --- Who's your favorite character from "Bend It Like Beckham"? And you can't say Beckham. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeus 08/12/17 10:38:35 PM #35: |
Given that violent terrorist groups like Antifa have repeatedly brought weapons and attacked both alt-right and conservative protests, a violent response like this was inevitable.
Golden Road posted... Rasmoh posted...I'm not defending Nazis, but you'd have to be blind to not see why people are identifying more and more with that side of the political spectrum. Apparently it's Tumblr -- which nobody except SJWs use -- and not shit like this: http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/us/chicago-facebook-live-beating/index.html http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/teens-beats-chicago-man-street-voting-donald-trump-article-1.2867997 And who can forget that THIS happened in Charlotte just last year: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3802230/War-zone-Charlotte-White-man-begs-mercy-beaten-reporter-nearly-dragged-fire-rioters-people-told-stay-home-work-police-shooting-black-father.html --- (\/)(\/)|-| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash ... Copied to Clipboard!
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YahooPoster 08/12/17 10:39:58 PM #36: |
Trump isn't going to denounce his biggest supporters.
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adjl 08/12/17 11:06:55 PM #37: |
Zeus posted...
Given that violent terrorist groups like Antifa have repeatedly brought weapons and attacked both alt-right and conservative protests, a violent response like this was inevitable. I mean, attacking literal nazis is kind of what the free world is supposed to do. Or did you miss that 70-year-old memo? --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FourthDimension 08/12/17 11:37:30 PM #38: |
lol wtf America?
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Yellow 08/13/17 12:55:13 AM #39: |
I watched a video of the rally. Apparently Icoyar has discovered how to reproduce asexually and is taking the streets by storm.
adjl posted... I mean, attacking literal nazis is kind of what the free world is supposed to do. Or did you miss that 70-year-old memo? Physically attacking people for being stupid typically isn't a good idea. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lightning Bolt 08/13/17 1:01:57 AM #40: |
Yellow posted...
I watched a video of the rally. Apparently Icoyar has discovered how to reproduce asexually and is taking the streets by storm. Dear god I laughed too hard at that --- One day dude, I'm just gonna get off the bus, and I'm gonna run in the woods and never come back, and when I come back I'm gonna be the knife master! -The Rev ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 08/13/17 1:05:53 AM #41: |
Zeus posted...
Given that violent terrorist groups like Antifa have repeatedly brought weapons and attacked both alt-right and conservative protests, a violent response like this was inevitable. Yeah it isn't their fault they got violent, only liberals are to blame for their actions /s --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead "I'm Mary Poppins ya'll!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeus 08/13/17 1:11:48 AM #42: |
adjl posted...
Zeus posted...Given that violent terrorist groups like Antifa have repeatedly brought weapons and attacked both alt-right and conservative protests, a violent response like this was inevitable. 1) I think you need a refresher on what literal means. 2) That attitude is EXACTLY what's prompting counter-attacks. You brand one side evil and then justify attacking them, sooner or later you piss off that side enough to strike back. Mead posted... Zeus posted...Given that violent terrorist groups like Antifa have repeatedly brought weapons and attacked both alt-right and conservative protests, a violent response like this was inevitable. Stealing a page from GWB's "They hate our freedoms" book? --- (\/)(\/)|-| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash ... Copied to Clipboard!
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shadowsword87 08/13/17 1:26:42 AM #43: |
If you physically harm someone for holding a poltical viewpoint, what happens? For simplicity's sake, we will say Side A got harmed, and Side B did the harming.
Side A says, "look, Side B is totally the bad guy here for doing something bad" Side B says, "well its not really that bad, besides, it's for a god cause" The thing is though, both sides are literally doing the same exact thing. Violence just makes more people violent as reconciliation, it does nothing but make more people angry. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkknight109 08/13/17 3:01:22 AM #44: |
Rasmoh posted...
For starters, I'm pretty sure they were shouting "You will not replace us." At points, yes. At other points, they decided "Jews will not replace us" was a better chant. And in case, y'know, there was any doubt that a Nazi rally might have some anti-Semitic stuff going on, the signs they were holding included such catchy phrases as "The Jewish media is going down" plus, y'know, they were doing the whole Sieg Heil salute and all. I know, whooda thunk that a Nazi rally would have anti-Jewish stuff going on? Crazy world, amirite? Rasmoh posted... Secondly, most importantly, this is almost exactly how groups like ISIS form. I agree. And in this analogy, the neo-Nazis are ISIS. Makes for a pretty apt comparison, really. Both are extremist, terrorist organizations tied to backwards, violent, hateful ideology that really should have been snuffed out a long time ago. Rasmoh posted... Otherwise normal people with normal concerns become radicalized because of a disproportionate response from opposition. Normal white people see a nigh-constant barrage of anti-white sentiment in media, academia, politics and workplaces and if they dare voice an opinion against that, the people pushing the anti-white narrative go straight for the jugular in terms of ruining that person's life. That's weird, because I'm as white as a polar bear's ass and I'm not seeing this "barrage" of anti-white sentiment you speak of, despite being tied quite closely to academia and working in a white collar profession. I'm curious, though - does your logic work both ways? Do you support Black Lives Matter because of the "barrage" of anti-black sentiment that black people, in particular young black men, face? Or is it only whites that are hard-done-by these days? Rasmoh posted... Just look at that guy from Google, for instance. Maybe I missed it, but I'm pretty sure he wasn't a Nazi. And I don't really have much sympathy to spare for someone who knowingly and deliberately commits career suicide. If you don't want to lose your job, keep your shitty opinions to yourself, and if you can't manage that, maybe consider not posting them on a company forum where your co-workers will read them. Rasmoh posted... Thusly, an environment is created where these people essentially either have to sit in silence and fear or join forces with the extreme ends of the spectrum they align with. While it would normally be repugnant for one to do such a thing, it instead becomes the only choice because the other side is constantly attacking them simply for being white. Again, I can't recall a single instance of being attacked simply for being white. Maybe that's just me, though. This really does sound like you would be an ardent supporter of Black Lives Matter, though, because this is pretty much their raison d'etre, just with a different racial group. Also, aren't modern conservatives supposed to be against "snowflakeism" and supporting telling it like it is? Why all the angst about "anti-white messaging"? Sounds awfully snowflakey to me. Zeus posted... Given that violent terrorist groups like Antifa have repeatedly brought weapons and attacked both alt-right and conservative protests, a violent response like this was inevitable. You know, if we're hitting up the history books, white supremacists have a much longer and deeper history of violence at rallies. You might want to rethink this line of logic. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 08/13/17 3:06:40 AM #45: |
Zeus posted...
1) I think you need a refresher on what literal means. You start waving around a Nazi flag and throwing Nazi salutes, you're a literal Nazi. Trying to dance around that with extra words and euphemisms that make it sound less Nazitastic doesn't change that. These are literal Nazis. Zeus posted... 2) That attitude is EXACTLY what's prompting counter-attacks. You brand one side evil and then justify attacking them, sooner or later you piss off that side enough to strike back. Nazis are evil. Again, dunno how you missed this particular 70-year-old memo. This is not some arbitrary branding, this is something that's been universally accepted for over 70 years (except by literal Nazis, who, by virtue of being literal Nazis, have relinquished their right to not be mocked into shameful silence). Nazism no longer has any legitimacy whatsoever as a position, and anyone who doesn't understand why needs to pick up a goddamn history book, not start rallying for their right to express opinions that no human should ever hold again. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 08/13/17 3:10:48 AM #46: |
Zeus posted...
Stealing a page from GWB's "They hate our freedoms" book? Just regular old common sense logic You two should get acquainted --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead "I'm Mary Poppins ya'll!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeus 08/13/17 3:22:02 AM #47: |
shadowsword87 posted...
If you physically harm someone for holding a poltical viewpoint, what happens? For simplicity's sake, we will say Side A got harmed, and Side B did the harming. Something I tried to explain to a hard-leftist on Facebook, but he just wasn't getting it. darkknight109 posted... Zeus posted...Given that violent terrorist groups like Antifa have repeatedly brought weapons and attacked both alt-right and conservative protests, a violent response like this was inevitable. Because apparently decades old shit is more important than things actually happening right now? You might want to rethink your line of logic. adjl posted... You start waving around a Nazi flag and throwing Nazi salutes, you're a literal Nazi. Trying to dance around that with extra words and euphemisms that make it sound less Nazitastic doesn't change that. These are literal Nazis. No, being a literal Nazi would mean going back in time to join the literal Nazi party. Your argument is literal idiocy. Likewise, waving around an American flag, saying the pledge of allegiance, and doing an American salute (if one exists) doesn't make you an American. We have something called citizenship for that. --- (\/)(\/)|-| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeus 08/13/17 3:25:04 AM #48: |
adjl posted...
Nazis are evil. Again, dunno how you missed this particular 70-year-old memo. Says the guy who missed the 70 year old memo about the Nazi Party disbanding. adjl posted... This is not some arbitrary branding, this is something that's been universally accepted for over 70 years (except by literal Nazis, who, by virtue of being literal Nazis, have relinquished their right to not be mocked into shameful silence). Nazism no longer has any legitimacy whatsoever as a position, and anyone who doesn't understand why needs to pick up a goddamn history book, not start rallying for their right to express opinions that no human should ever hold again. It literally is an arbitrary branding for the most part. You're trying to discredit individuals by associating them with Nazis, which isn't just wrongheaded and stupid, it's also downright offensive. The fact that you're calling everybody you don't like Nazis tells me you should try reading history books instead of burning them. Mead posted... Zeus posted...Stealing a page from GWB's "They hate our freedoms" book? You mean like GWB's "common sense" argument about them hating our freedoms? Because that's where you're going with this. --- (\/)(\/)|-| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Yellow 08/13/17 3:27:39 AM #49: |
Zeus posted...
No, being a literal Nazi would mean going back in time to join the literal Nazi party. Hmm Nah. There is no application or legal process for being a Nazi and Nazis are definitely still around. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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helly 08/13/17 3:56:10 AM #50: |
apparently a helicopter also crashed there and killed at least one person.
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Mead 08/13/17 4:04:21 AM #51: |
Zeus posted...
You mean like GWB's "common sense" argument about them hating our freedoms? Because that's where you're going with this. Whatever makes you feel less foolish --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead "I'm Mary Poppins ya'll!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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