Poll of the Day > NSA Experts Say DNC Hack Was Actually a Leak and Inside Job

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Yellow
08/12/17 5:48:15 PM
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http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/bombshell-nsa-experts-say-dnc-hack-was-actually-a-leak-and-inside-job/

Maybe the DNC will actually have to pick a stance now besides going on about Russia all day. I doubt it.
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helIy
08/12/17 5:49:35 PM
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"lawnewz"
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Melon_Master
08/12/17 5:50:31 PM
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helIy posted...
"lawnewz"

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TheCyborgNinja
08/12/17 5:51:06 PM
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Either way, their rigging things to promote Hill-dawg doomed them.
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Yellow
08/12/17 5:51:51 PM
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Yellow
08/12/17 5:54:46 PM
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TheCyborgNinja posted...
Either way, their rigging things to promote Hill-dawg doomed them.

Russia hates Trump, and Trump didn't do anything for Russia. If there was any correlation, all they did would have been giving actual facts. And there isn't even any evidence of that.
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Erik_P
08/12/17 6:05:53 PM
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Yellow posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
Either way, their rigging things to promote Hill-dawg doomed them.

Russia hates Trump, and Trump didn't do anything for Russia. If there was any correlation, all they did would have been giving actual facts. And there isn't even any evidence of that.


Damn, you Trump cultists are desperate. God, look at that spin!
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Yellow
08/12/17 6:07:32 PM
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Erik_P posted...
Damn, you Trump cultists are desperate. God, look at that spin!

Trump is one of the worst presidents we've ever had.

Watch me spin around in circles. If you'd been paying attention in the slightest you'd know I'm not his fan.

The enemy of my enemy is not my friend because they are my enemies too. Aka the DNC is bad and the GOP is worse.
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Lightning Bolt
08/12/17 6:23:46 PM
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Whenever these stories come out that are just 100% reversals, I always have to wait and see. Especially since they usually seem to be some slight variation of "The DNC is a super-powerful, wildly-incompetent Illuminati, and concocted all of Trump's scandals to make him look bad."

As always, waiting for the final report I guess. Seems interesting though. Maybe we can get rid of both parties, revamp to a voting system that doesn't mandate a two-party system, and just have something nice for once? Not likely, but a man can dream.


Also, lawnewz is good you guys, despite the unfortunate "z".
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helly
08/12/17 6:35:58 PM
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Erik_P posted...
Yellow posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
Either way, their rigging things to promote Hill-dawg doomed them.

Russia hates Trump, and Trump didn't do anything for Russia. If there was any correlation, all they did would have been giving actual facts. And there isn't even any evidence of that.


Damn, you Trump cultists are desperate. God, look at that spin!

your whole gimmick is trying to figure out how to make trump taking a shit into a doomsday scenario
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Erik_P
08/12/17 6:44:13 PM
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helly posted...
Erik_P posted...
Yellow posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
Either way, their rigging things to promote Hill-dawg doomed them.

Russia hates Trump, and Trump didn't do anything for Russia. If there was any correlation, all they did would have been giving actual facts. And there isn't even any evidence of that.


Damn, you Trump cultists are desperate. God, look at that spin!

your whole gimmick is trying to figure out how to make trump taking a shit into a doomsday scenario


Well he does love to run his mouth on Twitter while on the shitter and lately he's been threatening NK that way so him taking a shit really is doomsday.

But that's got nothing to do with the cultist in this topic trying his hardest to spin Russia hating Trump when all available evidence says otherwise.
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EightySeven
08/12/17 6:45:15 PM
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Yellow posted...
Russia hates Trump, and Trump didn't do anything for Russia.



I'm not saying they actually did anything, but Russia has been trying to destabilize Western nations for a long time and a Trump presidency is a good way to do that.
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helly
08/12/17 6:45:47 PM
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Erik_P posted...
But that's got nothing to do with the cultist in this topic trying his hardest to spin Russia hating Trump when all available evidence says otherwise.

there is just as much evidence to suggest russia hates trump

as in: none.

there's no fucking evidence either way.
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Yellow
08/12/17 6:45:57 PM
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Erik_P posted...
the cultist

Yellow posted...
Trump is one of the worst presidents we've ever had.

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TheCyborgNinja
08/12/17 6:51:28 PM
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Erik_P posted...
helly posted...
Erik_P posted...
Yellow posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
Either way, their rigging things to promote Hill-dawg doomed them.

Russia hates Trump, and Trump didn't do anything for Russia. If there was any correlation, all they did would have been giving actual facts. And there isn't even any evidence of that.


Damn, you Trump cultists are desperate. God, look at that spin!

your whole gimmick is trying to figure out how to make trump taking a shit into a doomsday scenario


Well he does love to run his mouth on Twitter while on the shitter and lately he's been threatening NK that way so him taking a shit really is doomsday.

But that's got nothing to do with the cultist in this topic trying his hardest to spin Russia hating Trump when all available evidence says otherwise.

I think Russia had hopes for Trump to make America play ball that have seen ended up as a disappointment. He's more willing than most to work with Putin, but congress and the bulk of the government is happy to keep old enemies as enemies.
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Yellow
08/12/17 6:54:02 PM
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helly posted...
there is just as much evidence to suggest russia hates trump

They sure as hell aren't happy with post-Trump America

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/08/russia-prime-minister-new-us-sanctions-amount-to-full-scale-trade-war/

Then they kicked out 755 US diplomats, to which Trump replied with a genuine thanks... which is really weird.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/10/trump-thanks-putin-for-kicking-out-us-diplomats.html
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Tropic_Sunset
08/12/17 7:01:19 PM
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EightySeven posted...
Yellow posted...
Russia hates Trump, and Trump didn't do anything for Russia.



I'm not saying they actually did anything, but Russia has been trying to destabilize Western nations for a long time and a Trump presidency is a good way to do that.

Well...yeah...but in no small part due to people thinking that Russia had a hand in a Trump presidency. But that's par for the course. Hillary would've been almost as divisive (if not as divisive). The only reason one could give that would make Russia want to intervene and give Trump the presidency would be Hillary engaging in war with Russia, and that's largely a self-defeating argument because you could just as easily attribute their interference as trying to avoid another large scale war as you could destabilization, or even getting a less unreasonable person in office (from their point of view)

I mean, I don't know what happened, I wouldn't put it past them to (try to) influence the electoral outcome, but it's practically impossible to determine the truth of the matter based on the evidence the public has. The whole thing sounds believable, but so did Pizzagate, and looking at that it was also very flimsy at best.
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EightySeven
08/12/17 7:07:08 PM
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Tropic_Sunset posted...
Hillary would've been almost as divisive (if not as divisive).


Hillary would have been better at playing the international politics game. Yeah we'd probably still have just as much division, but she wouldn't be tweeting threats to nuclear powers and making a fool of herself in front of world leaders. I guess I "destabilizing NATO" would have been a more accurate statement.
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helly
08/12/17 7:08:04 PM
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Yellow posted...
Then they kicked out 755 US diplomats, to which Trump replied with a genuine thanks... which is really weird.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/10/trump-thanks-putin-for-kicking-out-us-diplomats.html

they did that in response to us kicking out russian diplomats.
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Tropic_Sunset
08/12/17 7:21:31 PM
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EightySeven posted...
Tropic_Sunset posted...
Hillary would've been almost as divisive (if not as divisive).


Hillary would have been better at playing the international politics game. Yeah we'd probably still have just as much division, but she wouldn't be tweeting threats to nuclear powers and making a fool of herself in front of world leaders. I guess I "destabilizing NATO" would have been a more accurate statement.

True. Trump is pretty blatantly shit in this regard. But are you telling me Russia knew he was going to Tweet like a madman? I mean, it's not super unexpected given who Trump is, but to specifically know he would threaten North Korea seems....a bit omniscient. Hillary, a war hawk, could do the same as well. Although Trump did seem less apt to threaten Russia directly between the two of them...

Screw it. I don't know. I could honestly see it either way.
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EightySeven
08/12/17 7:25:50 PM
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Tropic_Sunset posted...
But are you telling me Russia knew he was going to Tweet like a madman? I mean, it's not super unexpected given who Trump is, but to specifically know he would threaten North Korea seems....a bit omniscient.


That's just one example. He had a long history of acting like a crazy person on twitter even long before election day. It's entirely reasonable to think he might continue that into the presidency.
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Erik_P
08/12/17 7:27:58 PM
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Tropic_Sunset posted...
EightySeven posted...
Tropic_Sunset posted...
Hillary would've been almost as divisive (if not as divisive).


Hillary would have been better at playing the international politics game. Yeah we'd probably still have just as much division, but she wouldn't be tweeting threats to nuclear powers and making a fool of herself in front of world leaders. I guess I "destabilizing NATO" would have been a more accurate statement.

True. Trump is pretty blatantly shit in this regard. But are you telling me Russia knew he was going to Tweet like a madman? I mean, it's not super unexpected given who Trump is, but to specifically know he would threaten North Korea seems....a bit omniscient. Hillary, a war hawk, could do the same as well. Although Trump did seem less apt to threaten Russia directly between the two of them...

Screw it. I don't know. I could honestly see it either way.


Right, Trump is threatening nuclear war with NK and using our military in Venezuala but Hillary is the warhawk.

Get real.
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helly
08/12/17 7:28:56 PM
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hillary constantly tried upsetting our relations with foreign nations, dude.

trump is just saying shit we all want to say to north korea
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InfernalFive
08/12/17 7:31:02 PM
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Erik_P posted...
But that's got nothing to do with the cultist in this topic trying his hardest to spin Russia hating Trump when all available evidence says otherwise.

What available evidence? We know next to nothing about either side of this thing.
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TheCyborgNinja
08/12/17 7:32:15 PM
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Erik_P posted...
Tropic_Sunset posted...
EightySeven posted...
Tropic_Sunset posted...
Hillary would've been almost as divisive (if not as divisive).


Hillary would have been better at playing the international politics game. Yeah we'd probably still have just as much division, but she wouldn't be tweeting threats to nuclear powers and making a fool of herself in front of world leaders. I guess I "destabilizing NATO" would have been a more accurate statement.

True. Trump is pretty blatantly shit in this regard. But are you telling me Russia knew he was going to Tweet like a madman? I mean, it's not super unexpected given who Trump is, but to specifically know he would threaten North Korea seems....a bit omniscient. Hillary, a war hawk, could do the same as well. Although Trump did seem less apt to threaten Russia directly between the two of them...

Screw it. I don't know. I could honestly see it either way.


Right, Trump is threatening nuclear war with NK and using our military in Venezuala but Hillary is the warhawk.

Get real.

They can both be war-mongers.
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Erik_P
08/12/17 7:32:27 PM
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helly posted...
hillary constantly tried upsetting our relations with foreign nations, dude.

trump is just saying shit we all want to say to north korea


Saying shit to NK is provoking them and risks an unnecessary war.

They've done this stuff for decades and we've always ignored it because it's just bluster. We send them food and they quiet down.

Trump is a moron who doesn't listen to his advisors so instead of ignoring things he's making shit worse. I don't know about you but I'm not interested in dying in a nuclear war. That might be how you wanna go out but not me.
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Tropic_Sunset
08/12/17 7:32:32 PM
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Erik_P posted...
Right, Trump is threatening nuclear war with NK and using our military in Venezuala but Hillary is the warhawk.

Get real.

You do realize they can both be shitty in the same way, right?

I mean literally:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/magazine/how-hillary-clinton-became-a-hawk.html

Just because Trump may also be a war hawk doesn't mean she isn't, and was kind of assumed in my post. Don't be daft.
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Tropic_Sunset
08/12/17 7:33:47 PM
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EightySeven posted...
Tropic_Sunset posted...
But are you telling me Russia knew he was going to Tweet like a madman? I mean, it's not super unexpected given who Trump is, but to specifically know he would threaten North Korea seems....a bit omniscient.


That's just one example. He had a long history of acting like a crazy person on twitter even long before election day. It's entirely reasonable to think he might continue that into the presidency.

True, but expecting a specific example is somewhat of a long shot.

But if we are talking about him simply doing any crazy thing to help destabilize the nation, that at least is an understandable position.
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ClarkDuke
08/12/17 7:38:29 PM
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Tropic_Sunset posted...
But are you telling me Russia knew he was going to Tweet like a madman?

If they didn't, they've spent exorbitant amounts of energy glossing over his Twitter track record— the man's a babbling buffoon.
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Tropic_Sunset
08/12/17 7:43:42 PM
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ClarkDuke posted...
Tropic_Sunset posted...
But are you telling me Russia knew he was going to Tweet like a madman?

If they didn't, they've spent exorbitant amounts of energy glossing over his Twitter track record— the man's a babbling buffoon.

To be fair, I've elaborated on this position. The quote was meant specifically towards his North Korea tweet. If it was a more general feel, that is plausible, at worst.
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ClarkDuke
08/12/17 7:45:50 PM
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Tropic_Sunset posted...
ClarkDuke posted...
Tropic_Sunset posted...
But are you telling me Russia knew he was going to Tweet like a madman?

If they didn't, they've spent exorbitant amounts of energy glossing over his Twitter track record— the man's a babbling buffoon.

To be fair, I've elaborated on this position. The quote was meant specifically towards his North Korea tweet. If it was a more general feel, that is plausible, at worst.

Fair enough.
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