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ZMythos
08/14/17 10:03:37 PM
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Mania does look good. I'll preface this topic with that.

But Genesis Sonic was nothing more than crappy mechanics and asinine level design disguised under design and marketing as a good series of games.

2D sonic was never good to begin with. If Mania is able to capitalize on some of the good ideas in it then good for them, but don't drag it down by calling back its predecessors.
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Blue_Inigo
08/14/17 10:04:01 PM
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Shit bait
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BlackHorse6969
08/14/17 10:04:23 PM
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sonic advance 2 is best 2D sonic
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AlisLandale
08/14/17 10:05:29 PM
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Sonic sucks. All he does is run in circles and pick up cheeri-o's.
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tremain07
08/14/17 10:05:33 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
Shit bait

This, there are 3 things in it that have made me want it even more than I already did.
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ZMythos
08/14/17 10:05:58 PM
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tremain07 posted...
This, there are 3 things in it that have made me want it even more than I already did.

Where did I say not to buy it?
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WizardPowers
08/14/17 10:06:59 PM
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ZMythos posted...
2D sonic was never good to begin with.


why did this stupid IGN trend take off?
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Alucard188
08/14/17 10:07:14 PM
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ZMythos posted...
tremain07 posted...
This, there are 3 things in it that have made me want it even more than I already did.

Where did I say not to buy it?


Nice little loophole you gave yourself there.
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ZMythos
08/14/17 10:08:23 PM
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Alucard188 posted...
Nice little loophole you gave yourself there.

What loophole? This wasn't me criticizing Mania.

This vendetta is about "OC Sonic"
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ZMythos
08/14/17 10:09:24 PM
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WizardPowers posted...
why did this stupid IGN trend take off?

If IGN set the trend, then I'm a fadfreaker. OC sonic was garbage long before 3D sonic was garbage.
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ChromaticAngel
08/14/17 10:10:17 PM
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ZMythos posted...
Alucard188 posted...
Nice little loophole you gave yourself there.

What loophole? This wasn't me criticizing Mania.

This vendetta is about "OC Sonic"


Then it's also about Mania as the game is basically a genesis romhack made by fans that were sonic romhackers that were hired by Sega to make this game.
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AlisLandale
08/14/17 10:10:25 PM
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OC Sonic?

Orange County?
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LordFarquad1312
08/14/17 10:11:16 PM
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I wouldn't call original Sonic bad, but the only reason they are remembered as classics is because the poor bastards got a Genesis instead of a Super Nintendo.
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MrMallard
08/14/17 10:11:42 PM
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AlisLandale posted...
Sonic sucks. All he does is run in circles and pick up cheeri-o's.

lmao
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Tappor
08/14/17 10:12:08 PM
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BlackHorse6969 posted...
sonic advance 3 is best 2D sonic

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ChromaticAngel
08/14/17 10:13:06 PM
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Tappor posted...
BlackHorse6969 posted...
sonic advance 3 is best 2D sonic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY6WjFf0D6w

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thecoolgu
08/14/17 10:14:10 PM
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Vendetta?
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AlisLandale
08/14/17 10:14:56 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
Tappor posted...
BlackHorse6969 posted...
sonic advance 3 is best 2D sonic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY6WjFf0D6w


Mah goobies.
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iPhone_7
08/14/17 10:15:00 PM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
I wouldn't call original Sonic bad, but the only reason they are remembered as classics is because the poor bastards got a Genesis instead of a Super Nintendo.

Ouch but true lol
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Kisai
08/14/17 10:16:35 PM
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Tappor posted...
BlackHorse6969 posted...
sonic advance 3 is best 2D sonic

I really liked the buddy system they used in Sonic Advance 3.
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Dragonblade01
08/14/17 10:33:13 PM
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People have been calling OG Sonic shit long before IGN did.
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Darmik
08/14/17 10:35:49 PM
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Why does every good platformer that isn't Mario get this shitty "these games were never good" argument.
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ZMythos
08/14/17 10:37:28 PM
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Darmik posted...
Why does every good platformer that isn't Mario get this shitty "these games were never good" argument.

Name them.
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Coffeebeanz
08/14/17 10:37:37 PM
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Sonic 2 is my favorite 2D platformer
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alexander37
08/14/17 10:38:38 PM
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ZMythos posted...
Darmik posted...
Why does every good platformer that isn't Mario get this shitty "these games were never good" argument.

Name them.

I would assume he also is referring to the OG Spyro and Crash Bandicoot series.
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Darmik
08/14/17 10:39:06 PM
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ZMythos posted...
Darmik posted...
Why does every good platformer that isn't Mario get this shitty "these games were never good" argument.

Name them.


Same exact thing happened to Crash Bandicoot and those people shut the fuck up when the original games sold boatloads because they're still good. Just like the Genesis Sonics.
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ZMythos
08/14/17 10:39:44 PM
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alexander37 posted...
I would assume he also is referring to the OG Spyro and Crash Bandicoot series.

OG Spyro trilogy was fucking untouchable.

Crash 1 was shit. 2 and 3 barely pick up its slack.

Metroid 1 was garbage, but 2 and super were top tier

castlevania 1 and 3 were good

name others?
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Coffeebeanz
08/14/17 10:41:12 PM
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The 16-bit platformers aged better than the early 3D ones, imo
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Dragonblade01
08/14/17 10:42:50 PM
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"You can't say this game is shit because it sold a lot!"

This has never been the case ever.
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ZMythos
08/14/17 10:43:07 PM
#32:


Darmik posted...

Same exact thing happened to Crash Bandicoot and those people shut the fuck up when the original games sold boatloads because they're still good. Just like the Genesis Sonics.

Mighty No. 9!
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Kisai
08/14/17 10:43:20 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
Sonic 2 is my favorite 2D platformer

Sonic 3 & Knuckles is better.
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Darmik
08/14/17 10:43:45 PM
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ZMythos posted...
Darmik posted...

Same exact thing happened to Crash Bandicoot and those people shut the fuck up when the original games sold boatloads because they're still good. Just like the Genesis Sonics.

Mighty No. 9!


That game flopped.
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ZMythos
08/14/17 10:45:34 PM
#35:


Darmik posted...
That game flopped.

but it sold so many copies and made so much money, so it's gotta be good right?
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Darmik
08/14/17 10:45:54 PM
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ZMythos posted...
Darmik posted...
That game flopped.

but it sold so many copies and made so much money, so it's gotta be good right?


Source?
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Coffeebeanz
08/14/17 10:47:58 PM
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Kisai posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
Sonic 2 is my favorite 2D platformer

Sonic 3 & Knuckles is better.


It just depends. Sonic 3 stage design is either fantastic or obnoxious. Sonic 2 is more consistent.
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Darmik
08/14/17 10:49:22 PM
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I overall consider Sonic 2 the peak too. The Sonic 3 half lets down S3&K a bit. Marble and Carnival Zone are pretty bad stages.
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AlisLandale
08/14/17 10:50:14 PM
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ZMythos posted...
Darmik posted...
That game flopped.

but it sold so many copies and made so much money, so it's gotta be good right?


The discs were being sold at half MSRP like a week aftee launch lol
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ChromaticAngel
08/14/17 10:51:19 PM
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Freedom Planet is the best Sonic game anyway, tho.
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Terra-enforcer
08/14/17 10:57:25 PM
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ZMythos posted...
Mania does look good. I'll preface this topic with that.

But Genesis Sonic was nothing more than crappy mechanics and asinine level design disguised under design and marketing as a good series of games.

2D sonic was never good to begin with. If Mania is able to capitalize on some of the good ideas in it then good for them, but don't drag it down by calling back its predecessors.

Either you haven't played 2,3, CD, and 3&K, or...

Blue_Inigo posted...
Shit bait

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Dragonblade01
08/14/17 11:01:59 PM
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Terra-enforcer posted...
you haven't played 2,3, CD, and 3&K

I've tried all of them and can confirm.

Shit.
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Kisai
08/14/17 11:02:20 PM
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Godnorgosh posted...
Also, fuck Sonic 2's special stages.

This. I can play Sonic 3 & Knuckles's special stages just fine, but Sonic 2's suck.
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Darmik
08/14/17 11:03:24 PM
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Godnorgosh posted...
Darmik posted...
I overall consider Sonic 2 the peak too. The Sonic 3 half lets down S3&K a bit. Marble and Carnival Zone are pretty bad stages.


Really? I thought Sonic 3 had some of the best Zones. The first Zone was classic, and Hydrocity made water levels actually seem fun. It wasn't the best game on its own, but Knuckles complemented it really well.

Also, fuck Sonic 2's special stages.


I think it's more because Marble and Carnival are one right after another and take up the middle chunk of the game. I consider both of those some of the worst in the trilogy.

But yeah those first two zones are great stuff. Ice Cap is too.

I don't really like any of the Special Stages that much tbh but I overall like Sonic 2's the most. I don't like Blue Spheres at all.
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Terra-enforcer
08/14/17 11:14:19 PM
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Dragonblade01 posted...
Terra-enforcer posted...
you haven't played 2,3, CD, and 3&K

I've tried all of them and can confirm.

Shit.

Shitposting isn't a good look on anyone you know.
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Darmik
08/14/17 11:15:30 PM
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Godnorgosh posted...
Darmik posted...
I don't really like any of the Special Stages that much tbh but I overall like Sonic 2's the most. I don't like Blue Spheres at all.


In Sonic 2, if you're playing with Tails, his AI is just stupid in the Special Stages. You just have to assume he'll run into mines. In a single-player game, I want to play with just Sonic so Tails doesn't fuck everything up for me. But that sucks, because I like having Tails around otherwise.

With Sonic 3's spheres, I don't have to worry about that. I still need good reflexes to pass the stages, but I can play with Tails and not have to worry about janky AI.


Yeah that's a major flaw. I'm generally not too fussed about going for emeralds when I'm casually playing. I think they're fine when you're playing solo but get way too hard at the end.

I just like the simpler concept of racing down the tube and collecting rings better. I still don't like the Spheres in Sonic Mania. It's so quick and easy to fail.
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Kisai
08/14/17 11:19:03 PM
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Darmik posted...
I'm generally not too fussed about going for emeralds when I'm casually playing.

Why even go into the special stages if you're not trying to get the Chaos Emeralds?
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