Current Events > I am against the death penalty now.

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Now what?!?
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People will start strawmanning the fuck out of you.
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LinksLiege posted...

People will start strawmanning the fuck out of you.

Oh well. I thought about it long and hard, and decided I am against it.
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But is the fam?
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Caution999 posted...

But is the fam?

Some probably are, some probably aren't. We are all entitled to our own beliefs.
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PiOverlord posted...

Caution999 posted...

But is the fam?

Some probably are, some probably aren't. We are all entitled to our own beliefs.

I am against it also. But the Fam isn't a hive mind, we all have our own beliefs but respect each other.
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What changed your mind
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Wait for it
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hollow_shrine posted...

What changed your mind

Many things. The economics behind it, my own standard for humanity, and the consequences of capital punishment.
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What are the consequences of capital punishment?

I'm personally a believer in rehabilitating criminals instead of punishing them. But I'm indifferent on the death penalty specifically.
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I think capital punishment is justifiable in certain situations. Whether or not invading Iraq was right, Saddam Hussein as an individual certainly deserved to be executed for his crimes, and I'd argue other criminals who have committed outrageous atrocities with no doubt that they have done so deserve the same punishment. This is therefore especially applicable to state offenders.
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TimDiamond posted...

What are the consequences of capital punishment?

I'm personally a believer in rehabilitating criminals instead of punishing them. But I'm indifferent on the death penalty specifically.

Killing people who were wrongly convicted
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kye2oX-b39E

John Oliver's bit pretty much matches my view. Every logical argument is against the death penalty, but there is this emotional part of me that simply wants some people who have done enough wrong to simply be killed.

Where you draw, or if, that line exists is more of the debate to me. And the nature of an emotional argument its difficult to rationally define, which makes for bad laws.
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Callixtus posted...

I think capital punishment is justifiable in certain situations. Whether or not invading Iraq was right, Saddam Hussein as an individual certainly deserved to be executed for his crimes, and I'd argue other criminals who have committed outrageous atrocities with no doubt that they have done so deserve the same punishment. This is therefore especially applicable to state offenders.

And I can respect this opinion. I won't shed tears over the deaths of horrible people.

TimDiamond posted...

What are the consequences of capital punishment?

I'm personally a believer in rehabilitating criminals instead of punishing them. But I'm indifferent on the death penalty specifically.

All it takes is one innocent person to be executed, and the whole system has failed us.
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PiOverlord posted...

All it takes is one innocent person to be executed, and the whole system has failed us.

Once I heard something crazy from a coworker who supposedly worked in the legal profession but left after becoming disillusioned by a verifably innocent man being sent to die (basically they proved his innocence but the governor refused to stay or pardon the man as a matter of bureaucracy and the victim's mother said something along the lines of "someone has to pay for this" when his execution rolled around) but I don't know how true it is.
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There are so many reasons I object to capital punishment.

The execution of objectively innocent people is the biggest one, though. That is absolutely unjustifiable.
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So should our taxes have gone into keeping Saddam alive for the remainder of his life then? Or Bin Laden? Honest question.
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I'm always back and forth on being for the death penalty, and seeing it used so rarely that it's practically absurd.
It's not an emotional argument for me, but rather one of keeping things tidy.

However, I think life sentences without parole should be doled out a lot more to violent felons, especially those who use firearms.

That life sentence population should also be seperate from the rest of the prison population, with the normal prisons being more focused on rehabilitation.

MabusIncarnate posted...

So should our taxes have gone into keeping Saddam alive for the remainder of his life then? Or Bin Laden? Honest question.

The US govt didn't execute Saddam.

If your question though is, am I against the death penalty for anyone regardless of the severity of the crime, yes I am.
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MabusIncarnate posted...

So should our taxes have gone into keeping Saddam alive for the remainder of his life then? Or Bin Laden? Honest question.

I imagine it would be more costly for them, but in today's court system, it is more costly to execute someone than to have them serve life in prison at least for the average person.
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