Poll of the Day > Trump lifts ban on military gear to local police forces.

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WastelandCowboy 08/28/17 6:37:42 PM #1:	https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/08/27/trump-expected-lift-ban-military-gear-local-police-forces/606065001/ WASHINGTON — The Trump administration Monday lifted a controversial ban on the transfer of some surplus military equipment to police departments whose battlefield-style response to rioting in a St. Louis suburb three years ago prompted a halt to the program. The new plan takes effect immediately and fully rolls back an Obama administration executive order that blocked armored vehicles, large-caliber weapons, ammunition and other heavy equipment from being re-purposed from foreign battlefields to America's streets. Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who led the campaign for the program's reinstatement, outlined the President Trump's new executive order Monday in an address to the Fraternal Order of Police, the nation's largest police union, suggesting that Obama's directive was a concession to political pressure applied by civil rights advocates. "We will not put superficial concerns above public safety,'' Sessions told the group gathered in Nashville, Tenn. "All you need to do is turn on a TV right now to see that for Houstonians this isn't about appearances, it's about getting the job done and getting everyone to safety.'' The attorney general referred to post-hurricane rescue effort underway in Houston, where military vehicles and helicopters--part of the the Texas National Guard--were deployed to assist in the massive response. The administration's action, first disclosed by USA TODAY, would restore "the full scope of a longstanding program for recycling surplus, lifesaving gear from the Department of Defense, along with restoring the full scope of grants used to purchase this type of equipment from other sources,'' according to a administration summary of the new program. "Assets that would otherwise be scrapped can be re-purposed to help state, local and tribal law enforcement better protect public safety and reduce crime." Included in the gear are such things as rocket-launchers and bayonets. According to the Trump plan, the bayonets would likely be re-purposed as utility knives and the launchers used to shoot tear gas canisters, instead of lethal ammunition. The FOP and some other law enforcement groups have long been pressing for a reversal of the Obama administration policy, arguing that access to such equipment was needed, especially in cash-strapped communities, to better respond to local unrest. "We're not talking about tanks and cannons,'' said James Pasco, the FOP's executive director. "Armored vehicles don't attack people; they protect people and not everyone can afford this equipment.'' Civil rights advocates, however, warned that the program's reinstatement threatened to inflame tensions in minority communities where such heavy gear has been deployed in the past. "It is both exceptionally dangerous and irresponsible for the administration to lift the ban on the transfer of certain surplus military equipment to state and local law enforcement organizations,'' said Janai Nelson, associate director of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund. "Just a few summers ago, our nation watched as Ferguson raised the specter of increased police militarization. The law enforcement response there and in too many places across the country demonstrated how perilous, especially for black and brown communities, a militarized police force can be.'' <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:885615026] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote>https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/08/27/trump-expected-lift-ban-military-gear-local-police-forces/606065001/ <quote>WASHINGTON — The Trump administration Monday lifted a controversial ban on the transfer of some surplus military equipment to police departments whose battlefield-style response to rioting in a St. Louis suburb three years ago prompted a halt to the program. The new plan takes effect immediately and fully rolls back an Obama administration executive order that blocked armored vehicles, large-caliber weapons, ammunition and other heavy equipment from being re-purposed from foreign battlefields to America's streets. Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who led the campaign for the program's reinstatement, outlined the President Trump's new executive order Monday in an address to the Fraternal Order of Police, the nation's largest police union, suggesting that Obama's directive was a concession to political pressure applied by civil rights advocates. "We will not put superficial concerns above public safety,'' Sessions told the group gathered in Nashville, Tenn. "All you need to do is turn on a TV right now to see that for Houstonians this isn't about appearances, it's about getting the job done and getting everyone to safety.'' The attorney general referred to post-hurricane rescue effort underway in Houston, where military vehicles and helicopters--part of the the Texas National Guard--were deployed to assist in the massive response. The administration's action, first disclosed by USA TODAY, would restore "the full scope of a longstanding program for recycling surplus, lifesaving gear from the Department of Defense, along with restoring the full scope of grants used to purchase this type of equipment from other sources,'' according to a administration summary of the new program. "Assets that would otherwise be scrapped can be re-purposed to help state, local and tribal law enforcement better protect public safety and reduce crime." Included in the gear are such things as rocket-launchers and bayonets. According to the Trump plan, the bayonets would likely be re-purposed as utility knives and the launchers used to shoot tear gas canisters, instead of lethal ammunition. The FOP and some other law enforcement groups have long been pressing for a reversal of the Obama administration policy, arguing that access to such equipment was needed, especially in cash-strapped communities, to better respond to local unrest. "We're not talking about tanks and cannons,'' said James Pasco, the FOP's executive director. "Armored vehicles don't attack people; they protect people and not everyone can afford this equipment.'' Civil rights advocates, however, warned that the program's reinstatement threatened to inflame tensions in minority communities where such heavy gear has been deployed in the past. "It is both exceptionally dangerous and irresponsible for the administration to lift the ban on the transfer of certain surplus military equipment to state and local law enforcement organizations,'' said Janai Nelson, associate director of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund. "Just a few summers ago, our nation watched as Ferguson raised the specter of increased police militarization. The law enforcement response there and in too many places across the country demonstrated how perilous, especially for black and brown communities, a militarized police force can be.''</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WastelandCowboy 08/28/17 6:38:24 PM #2:	Nelson said the timing of the president's decision, against the backdrop of unrest in Charlottesville, Va., "reflects this administrations now open effort to escalate racial tensions in our country.'' Vanita Gupta, president of the Leadership Conference for Civil and Human Rights, said the Obama guidelines were adopted to promote the adoption of "a guardian, not warrior mentality'' among police when responding to local crises. "Our communities are not the same as armed combatants in a war zone,'' said Gupta, who headed the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division during the Obama administration. A measure of the controversy that has long shadowed law enforcement's use of such equipment was voiced by some Republican lawmakers who parted with the administration on the president's executive order. "Americans must never sacrifice their liberty for an illusive and dangerous--or false--security,'' Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., said. "The militarization of our law enforcement is due to an unprecedented expansion of government power in this realm.'' Local access to the high-powered gear was put on national display in 2014 in Ferguson, Mo., where armored vehicles and heavily-armed police clashed with protesters for days following the police shooting of an unarmed 18-year-old black man by a white officer. The deployment of such equipment, President Obama argued at the time, cast the police as an "occupying force,'' deepening a divide between law enforcement and a wary community. "We've seen how militarized gear can sometimes give people a feeling like they're an occupying force, as opposed to a force that's part of the community that's protecting them and serving them," Obama said in announcing the ban in 2015. The military gear ban was among a host of policing reform recommendations to flow from a White House advisory group formed in the aftermath of the Ferguson rioting. The Task Force on 21st Century Policing, chaired by former Philadelphia Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey and Laurie Robinson, a former assistant attorney general, called on law enforcement officials to "minimize the appearance of a military operation'' when policing mass demonstrations. "Avoid using provocative tactics and equipment that undermine civilian trust," the task force urged. The Obama order did allow for the limited use of other surplus — aircraft, wheeled tactical vehicles, mobile command units, battering rams and riot gear — on the condition that such equipment was approved by the federal government. The surplus sharing agreement, also known as the "1033 program," was created by Congress nearly 30 years ago as part of the National Defense Authorization Act. It was originally intended to assist local law enforcement in drug investigations. The program was expanded in 1997 to include all local law enforcement operations, including counter-terrorism. Since then, according to the government, more than $5 billion in gear has been transferred to state, local and tribal law enforcement agencies. "Much of the equipment provided through the 1033 program is entirely defensive in nature ... that protect officers in active shooter scenarios and other dangerous situations," the Trump administration proposal says. <cite>WastelandCowboy posted [p:885615069] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote><quote>Nelson said the timing of the president's decision, against the backdrop of unrest in Charlottesville, Va., "reflects this administrations now open effort to escalate racial tensions in our country.'' Vanita Gupta, president of the Leadership Conference for Civil and Human Rights, said the Obama guidelines were adopted to promote the adoption of "a guardian, not warrior mentality'' among police when responding to local crises. "Our communities are not the same as armed combatants in a war zone,'' said Gupta, who headed the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division during the Obama administration. A measure of the controversy that has long shadowed law enforcement's use of such equipment was voiced by some Republican lawmakers who parted with the administration on the president's executive order. "Americans must never sacrifice their liberty for an illusive and dangerous--or false--security,'' Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., said. "The militarization of our law enforcement is due to an unprecedented expansion of government power in this realm.'' Local access to the high-powered gear was put on national display in 2014 in Ferguson, Mo., where armored vehicles and heavily-armed police clashed with protesters for days following the police shooting of an unarmed 18-year-old black man by a white officer. The deployment of such equipment, President Obama argued at the time, cast the police as an "occupying force,'' deepening a divide between law enforcement and a wary community. "We've seen how militarized gear can sometimes give people a feeling like they're an occupying force, as opposed to a force that's part of the community that's protecting them and serving them," Obama said in announcing the ban in 2015. The military gear ban was among a host of policing reform recommendations to flow from a White House advisory group formed in the aftermath of the Ferguson rioting. The Task Force on 21st Century Policing, chaired by former Philadelphia Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey and Laurie Robinson, a former assistant attorney general, called on law enforcement officials to "minimize the appearance of a military operation'' when policing mass demonstrations. "Avoid using provocative tactics and equipment that undermine civilian trust," the task force urged. The Obama order did allow for the limited use of other surplus — aircraft, wheeled tactical vehicles, mobile command units, battering rams and riot gear — on the condition that such equipment was approved by the federal government. The surplus sharing agreement, also known as the "1033 program," was created by Congress nearly 30 years ago as part of the National Defense Authorization Act. It was originally intended to assist local law enforcement in drug investigations. The program was expanded in 1997 to include all local law enforcement operations, including counter-terrorism. Since then, according to the government, more than $5 billion in gear has been transferred to state, local and tribal law enforcement agencies. "Much of the equipment provided through the 1033 program is entirely defensive in nature ... that protect officers in active shooter scenarios and other dangerous situations," the Trump administration proposal says. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
faramir77 08/28/17 6:43:54 PM #3:	Military equipment should be limited exclusively to SWAT teams, which should only be deployed in extreme cases involving an immediate and eminent threat of a loss of a life. --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiCtAUrZbUk -- Defeating the Running Man of Ocarina of Time in a race since 01/17/2009. -- <cite>faramir77 posted [p:885615356] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote>Military equipment should be limited exclusively to SWAT teams, which should only be deployed in extreme cases involving an immediate and eminent threat of a loss of a life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 08/28/17 6:59:00 PM #4:	Ooh yay militarized law enforcement that's totally a safe and sensible idea Think they could also get some working body cameras to go with the big guns --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:885616133] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote>Ooh yay militarized law enforcement that's totally a safe and sensible idea Think they could also get some working body cameras to go with the big guns</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PaddysPub 08/28/17 6:59:53 PM #5:	remember when people thought obama was ushering in a 'militarized police state' lol --- Well, they say the world's your oyster, Man, but oysters ain't for me <cite>PaddysPub posted [p:885616173] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote>remember when people thought obama was ushering in a 'militarized police state' lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheWorstPoster 08/28/17 7:05:18 PM #6:	This totally has nothing to do with Antifa riots going on, nope <cite>TheWorstPoster posted [p:885616465] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote>This totally has nothing to do with Antifa riots going on, nope</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KevinceKostner 08/28/17 7:07:20 PM #7:	Remember Jade Helm guys, this is it Walmart FEMA death camps! <cite>KevinceKostner posted [p:885616580] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote>Remember Jade Helm guys, this is it Walmart FEMA death camps!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duck-I-Says 08/28/17 7:08:03 PM #8:	Trump is like the George Costanza of presidents. If he just did the exact opposite of his impulses he'd be one of the best presidents ever. <cite>Duck-I-Says posted [p:885616614] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote>Trump is like the George Costanza of presidents. If he just did the exact opposite of his impulses he'd be one of the best presidents ever.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shadowsword87 08/28/17 7:08:50 PM #9:	America! Aaaaaamerica! <cite>shadowsword87 posted [p:885616652] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote>America! Aaaaaamerica!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PaddysPub 08/28/17 7:10:23 PM #10:	TheWorstPoster posted... This totally has nothing to do with Antifa riots going on, nope let's shoot grenade launchers at them yeah --- Well, they say the world's your oyster, Man, but oysters ain't for me <cite>PaddysPub posted [p:885616745] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheWorstPoster posted...</cite> <quote>This totally has nothing to do with Antifa riots going on, nope</quote> let's shoot grenade launchers at them yeah</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FourthDimension 08/28/17 7:11:43 PM #11:	PaddysPub posted... TheWorstPoster posted... This totally has nothing to do with Antifa riots going on, nope let's shoot grenade launchers at them yeah Icoyar is 100% on board with that <cite>FourthDimension posted [p:885616818] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote><cite>PaddysPub posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheWorstPoster posted...</cite> <quote>This totally has nothing to do with Antifa riots going on, nope</quote> let's shoot grenade launchers at them yeah</quote> Icoyar is 100% on board with that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dainkinkaide 08/28/17 7:12:02 PM #12:	TheWorstPoster posted... This totally has nothing to do with Antifa riots going on, nope Yeah, let's militarize the police to deal with those people who are violently against encroaching fascism. That'll show 'em. --- Hank Pym changes superhero aliases more often than Hawkman changes origin stories. <cite>dainkinkaide posted [p:885616838] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheWorstPoster posted...</cite> <quote>This totally has nothing to do with Antifa riots going on, nope</quote> Yeah, let's militarize the police to deal with those people who are violently against encroaching fascism. That'll show 'em.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheWorstPoster 08/28/17 7:13:25 PM #13:	dainkinkaide posted... Yeah, let's militarize the police to deal with those people who are violently against encroaching fascism. That'll show 'em. The only fascism in this country going on are by those claiming to be anti-fascists. <cite>TheWorstPoster posted [p:885616897] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote><cite>dainkinkaide posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, let's militarize the police to deal with those people who are violently against encroaching fascism. That'll show 'em.</quote> The only fascism in this country going on are by those claiming to be anti-fascists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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dainkinkaide 08/28/17 7:18:38 PM #15:	TheWorstPoster posted... dainkinkaide posted... Yeah, let's militarize the police to deal with those people who are violently against encroaching fascism. That'll show 'em. The only fascism in this country going on are by those claiming to be anti-fascists. Ah, the good ol' scio quid tu es, sed quid sum defense. --- Hank Pym changes superhero aliases more often than Hawkman changes origin stories. <cite>dainkinkaide posted [p:885617187] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheWorstPoster posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dainkinkaide posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, let's militarize the police to deal with those people who are violently against encroaching fascism. That'll show 'em.</quote> The only fascism in this country going on are by those claiming to be anti-fascists.</quote> Ah, the good ol' scio quid tu es, sed quid sum defense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 08/28/17 7:19:47 PM #16:	Yay, let's give armored vehicles, grenade launchers, and more to a bunch of soldier wannabes who've had none of the training or discipline to use them appropriately, so they can fuck up some enemy combatants....I mean....serve and protect their fellow neighbors and citizens. Yeah! light bulb clicks on And now it's time for "Good Idea, Bad Idea." Good Idea: faramir77 posted... Military equipment should be limited exclusively to SWAT teams, which should only be deployed in extreme cases involving an immediate and eminent threat of a loss of a life. Bad Idea: "Hey, what if instead of just SWAT Teams, we gave this military hardware to anyone in the force? And while we're at it, why only use SWAT Teams for extreme cases when they could like...roll up on the house of a non-violent drug user to serve a no-knock warrant?" "Yeah, that'd be soooooo awesome! What could possibly go wrong? You know, aside from the times we go to the wrong address or the drug-addicted informant gives us the wrong address?" ~~Guess which one is reality~~ <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:885617254] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote>Yay, let's give armored vehicles, grenade launchers, and more to a bunch of soldier wannabes who've had none of the training or discipline to use them appropriately, so they can fuck up some enemy combatants....I mean....serve and protect their fellow neighbors and citizens. Yeah! light bulb clicks on And now it's time for "Good Idea, Bad Idea." Good Idea: <cite>faramir77 posted...</cite> <quote>Military equipment should be limited exclusively to SWAT teams, which should only be deployed in extreme cases involving an immediate and eminent threat of a loss of a life.</quote> Bad Idea: "Hey, what if instead of just SWAT Teams, we gave this military hardware to anyone in the force? And while we're at it, why only use SWAT Teams for extreme cases when they could like...roll up on the house of a non-violent drug user to serve a no-knock warrant?" "Yeah, that'd be soooooo awesome! What could possibly go wrong? You know, aside from the times we go to the wrong address or the drug-addicted informant gives us the wrong address?" Guess which one is reality</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/28/17 7:19:52 PM #17:	Like so many other decisions that come from the white house this is about making more $$$ for defense contractors and not much else --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead "I'm Mary Poppins ya'll!" <cite>Mead posted [p:885617257] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote>Like so many other decisions that come from the white house this is about making more $$$ for defense contractors and not much else</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Veedrock- 08/28/17 7:30:55 PM #19:	I live in a world where people think police are the bad guys. Literally letting the media play you. And proud of it no doubt. --- My friends call me Vee. I'm not your friend, buddy. <cite>Veedrock- posted [p:885617851] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote>I live in a world where people think police are the bad guys. Literally letting the media play you. And proud of it no doubt.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EightySeven 08/28/17 7:32:24 PM #20:	dainkinkaide posted... Ah, the good ol' scio quid tu es, sed quid sum defense. ENGLISH ONLY USA <cite>EightySeven posted [p:885617931] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote><cite>dainkinkaide posted...</cite> <quote>Ah, the good ol' scio quid tu es, sed quid sum defense.</quote> ENGLISH ONLY USA</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PieforcePiedom 08/28/17 7:32:29 PM #21:	PyroBlade1985 posted... dainkinkaide posted... TheWorstPoster posted... dainkinkaide posted... Yeah, let's militarize the police to deal with those people who are violently against encroaching fascism. That'll show 'em. The only fascism in this country going on are by those claiming to be anti-fascists. Ah, the good ol' scio quid tu es, sed quid sum defense. I'm sorry. But he's not wrong. How many times have those people burned down neighborhoods? Zero. --- http://i.imgur.com/mg3xATd.png <cite>PieforcePiedom posted [p:885617934] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote><cite>PyroBlade1985 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dainkinkaide posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheWorstPoster posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dainkinkaide posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, let's militarize the police to deal with those people who are violently against encroaching fascism. That'll show 'em.</quote> The only fascism in this country going on are by those claiming to be anti-fascists.</quote> Ah, the good ol' scio quid tu es, sed quid sum defense.</quote> I'm sorry. But he's not wrong. How many times have those people burned down neighborhoods?</quote> Zero.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rottenmonk 08/28/17 7:33:00 PM #22:	Trump is easily the most incompetent president to ever sit in the White House. What a miserable failure. I can't wait until he's impeached. --- Everytime I read rottenmonk's posts, and think about future offsprings, I weep for the humanity. -FranckKnight <cite>Rottenmonk posted [p:885617958] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote>Trump is easily the most incompetent president to ever sit in the White House. What a miserable failure. I can't wait until he's impeached.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Action53 08/28/17 7:36:59 PM #23:	This is going to be a great topic --- Plsbemeantome.sarahah.com <cite>Action53 posted [p:885618150] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote>This is going to be a great topic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smarkil 08/28/17 8:14:59 PM #24:	I'm pro-cop but I really really hate the militarization of police. --- If my daughter was in it, Id have to be the co-star - Deoxxys on porn <cite>Smarkil posted [p:885620307] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote>I'm pro-cop but I really really hate the militarization of police.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Roy_Turkey 08/28/17 8:23:43 PM #25:	Action53 posted... This is going to be a great topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDSN1F72QU4 --- Wanna know what Uranium smells like?... You not need travel very far.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzbvTvlErE0 <cite>Roy_Turkey posted [p:885620821] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote><cite>Action53 posted...</cite> <quote>This is going to be a great topic</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDSN1F72QU4</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 08/28/17 8:28:52 PM #26:	Oh good just what they need. --- http://i.imgur.com/4ihiyS2.jpg "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:885621120] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote>Oh good just what they need.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheCyborgNinja 08/28/17 8:44:47 PM #27:	Good. They'll need it to suppress the growing dickhead movement known as Antifa. I hope they knock 'em down like the PRC would. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted [p:885622014] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote>Good. They'll need it to suppress the growing dickhead movement known as Antifa. I hope they knock 'em down like the PRC would.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 08/28/17 8:56:38 PM #29:	TheCyborgNinja posted... Good. They'll need it to suppress the growing dickhead movement known as Antifa. I hope they knock 'em down like the PRC would. When they're done with that I'm sure they'll relinquish all their military weaponry and never use it against other groups --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead "I'm Mary Poppins ya'll!" <cite>Mead posted [p:885622715] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheCyborgNinja posted...</cite> <quote>Good. They'll need it to suppress the growing dickhead movement known as Antifa. I hope they knock 'em down like the PRC would.</quote> When they're done with that I'm sure they'll relinquish all their military weaponry and never use it against other groups</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 08/28/17 8:59:01 PM #30:	Republicans claim they don't want the government to have too much power, then actively cheerlead for police to beat up American citizens. <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:885622831] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote>Republicans claim they don't want the government to have too much power, then actively cheerlead for police to beat up American citizens.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cacciato 08/28/17 8:59:19 PM #31:	streamofthesky posted... Yay, let's give armored vehicles, grenade launchers, and more to a bunch of soldier wannabes who've had none of the training or discipline to use them appropriately, I mean, they don't really require that much training to use. That's the whole reason the military can use them. <cite>Cacciato posted [p:885622850] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote><cite>streamofthesky posted...</cite> <quote>Yay, let's give armored vehicles, grenade launchers, and more to a bunch of soldier wannabes who've had none of the training or discipline to use them appropriately, </quote> I mean, they don't really require that much training to use. That's the whole reason the military can use them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 08/28/17 9:01:26 PM #32:	Cacciato posted... streamofthesky posted... Yay, let's give armored vehicles, grenade launchers, and more to a bunch of soldier wannabes who've had none of the training or discipline to use them appropriately, I mean, they don't really require that much training to use. That's the whole reason the military can use them. Leaving aside the insult to people in the military, the training to "use" said weapons isn't just for how they function. It's also rules of engagement, appropriate use of force, etc... But police don't concern themselves with that crap anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter. <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:885622973] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cacciato posted...</cite> <quote><cite>streamofthesky posted...</cite> <quote>Yay, let's give armored vehicles, grenade launchers, and more to a bunch of soldier wannabes who've had none of the training or discipline to use them appropriately, </quote> I mean, they don't really require that much training to use. That's the whole reason the military can use them.</quote> Leaving aside the insult to people in the military, the training to "use" said weapons isn't just for how they function. It's also rules of engagement, appropriate use of force, etc... But police don't concern themselves with that crap anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veedrock- 08/28/17 9:08:53 PM #33:	streamofthesky posted... Republicans claim they don't want the government to have too much power, then actively cheerlead for police to beat up American citizens. Federal government vs local government. But you knew that didn't you. --- My friends call me Vee. I'm not your friend, buddy. <cite>Veedrock- posted [p:885623420] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote><cite>streamofthesky posted...</cite> <quote>Republicans claim they don't want the government to have too much power, then actively cheerlead for police to beat up American citizens.</quote> Federal government vs local government. But you knew that didn't you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 08/28/17 9:16:04 PM #34:	Veedrock- posted... streamofthesky posted... Republicans claim they don't want the government to have too much power, then actively cheerlead for police to beat up American citizens. Federal government vs local government. But you knew that didn't you. So you're cool with it as long as it's the state police force instead of a federal agency, then? So if your state passed laws to ban guns and confiscate them from citizens, you'd be ok with that as well since it's local government violating your rights. Correct? <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:885623842] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veedrock- posted...</cite> <quote><cite>streamofthesky posted...</cite> <quote>Republicans claim they don't want the government to have too much power, then actively cheerlead for police to beat up American citizens.</quote> Federal government vs local government. But you knew that didn't you.</quote> So you're cool with it as long as it's the state police force instead of a federal agency, then? So if your state passed laws to ban guns and confiscate them from citizens, you'd be ok with that as well since it's local government violating your rights. Correct?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darth Rustito 08/28/17 9:16:09 PM #35:	As long as we have crap going on in this country like the crazy monthly active shooter situations, you can give them Brotherhood of Steel armor for all I care. We don't need any more FUBAR moments like the north Hollywood shootout, where the LAPD literally had to go shake down a gun store to get weaponry necessary to take down two jackasses in body armor. People wig out about the police being too militarized, but in certain circumstances they're going to need to be. They're the cops. When ** is hitting the fan, they don't mess around, and they're going to use whatever force necessary to put a stop to a threat. --- My world is fire and blood. Once, I was a cop, a road warrior searching for a righteous cause. It was hard to know who was more crazy--me, or everyone else. <cite>Darth Rustito posted [p:885623849] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote>As long as we have crap going on in this country like the crazy monthly active shooter situations, you can give them Brotherhood of Steel armor for all I care. We don't need any more FUBAR moments like the north Hollywood shootout, where the LAPD literally had to go shake down a gun store to get weaponry necessary to take down two jackasses in body armor. People wig out about the police being too militarized, but in certain circumstances they're going to need to be. They're the cops. When ** is hitting the fan, they don't mess around, and they're going to use whatever force necessary to put a stop to a threat.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cacciato 08/28/17 9:36:47 PM #36:	streamofthesky posted... Cacciato posted... streamofthesky posted... Yay, let's give armored vehicles, grenade launchers, and more to a bunch of soldier wannabes who've had none of the training or discipline to use them appropriately, I mean, they don't really require that much training to use. That's the whole reason the military can use them. Leaving aside the insult to people in the military, the training to "use" said weapons isn't just for how they function. It's also rules of engagement, appropriate use of force, etc... But police don't concern themselves with that crap anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter. I was in the army for five years. Shit literally has to be easy to use so that way the stupidest person can use it, as bad it sounds. As far as the ROE goes I'll agree with you on that. <cite>Cacciato posted [p:885625035] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote><cite>streamofthesky posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Cacciato posted...</cite> <quote><cite>streamofthesky posted...</cite> <quote>Yay, let's give armored vehicles, grenade launchers, and more to a bunch of soldier wannabes who've had none of the training or discipline to use them appropriately, </quote> I mean, they don't really require that much training to use. That's the whole reason the military can use them.</quote> Leaving aside the insult to people in the military, the training to "use" said weapons isn't just for how they function. It's also rules of engagement, appropriate use of force, etc... But police don't concern themselves with that crap anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter.</quote> I was in the army for five years. Shit literally has to be easy to use so that way the stupidest person can use it, as bad it sounds. As far as the ROE goes I'll agree with you on that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
helIy 08/28/17 9:43:16 PM #37:	why did he mention Houston as a reason for this it's not like them getting a tank is going to retroactively help them fight a hurricane --- depressed again morning comes too fast and i'm tired of the routine <cite>helIy posted [p:885625418] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote>why did he mention Houston as a reason for this it's not like them getting a tank is going to retroactively help them fight a hurricane</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/28/17 9:44:31 PM #38:	helIy posted... why did he mention Houston as a reason for this To make it seem necessary --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead "I'm Mary Poppins ya'll!" <cite>Mead posted [p:885625510] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote><cite>helIy posted...</cite> <quote>why did he mention Houston as a reason for this</quote> To make it seem necessary</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PieforcePiedom 08/28/17 10:34:28 PM #39:	PyroBlade1985 posted... PieforcePiedom posted... PyroBlade1985 posted... dainkinkaide posted... TheWorstPoster posted... dainkinkaide posted... Yeah, let's militarize the police to deal with those people who are violently against encroaching fascism. That'll show 'em. The only fascism in this country going on are by those claiming to be anti-fascists. Ah, the good ol' scio quid tu es, sed quid sum defense. I'm sorry. But he's not wrong. How many times have those people burned down neighborhoods? Zero. Did you type that with a straight face? Stop watching Alex Jones. --- http://i.imgur.com/mg3xATd.png <cite>PieforcePiedom posted [p:885628568] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote><cite>PyroBlade1985 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PieforcePiedom posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PyroBlade1985 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dainkinkaide posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheWorstPoster posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dainkinkaide posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, let's militarize the police to deal with those people who are violently against encroaching fascism. That'll show 'em.</quote> The only fascism in this country going on are by those claiming to be anti-fascists.</quote> Ah, the good ol' scio quid tu es, sed quid sum defense.</quote> I'm sorry. But he's not wrong. How many times have those people burned down neighborhoods?</quote> Zero.</quote> Did you type that with a straight face?</quote> Stop watching Alex Jones.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zareth 08/28/17 10:35:26 PM #40:	faramir77 posted... Military equipment should be limited exclusively to SWAT teams, which should only be deployed in extreme cases involving an immediate and eminent threat of a loss of a life. Yeah, that's not how SWAT works. They put my high school on lock down and sent in 2 SWAT teams because there were rumors that some kid had a knife. --- It's okay, I have no idea who I am either. http://i.imgur.com/WOo6wcq.png <cite>Zareth posted [p:885628623] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote><cite>faramir77 posted...</cite> <quote>Military equipment should be limited exclusively to SWAT teams, which should only be deployed in extreme cases involving an immediate and eminent threat of a loss of a life.</quote> Yeah, that's not how SWAT works. They put my high school on lock down and sent in 2 SWAT teams because there were rumors that some kid had a knife.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GreenGoblinOck 08/28/17 10:49:15 PM #41:	Veedrock- posted... I live in a world where people think police are the bad guys. Literally letting the media play you. And proud of it no doubt. Amen to this post! I'm sick of this bullcrap that all cops are bad! It's stupid! --- "A lot of good people have slept with prostitutes." Jen <cite>GreenGoblinOck posted [p:885629427] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veedrock- posted...</cite> <quote>I live in a world where people think police are the bad guys. Literally letting the media play you. And proud of it no doubt.</quote> Amen to this post! I'm sick of this bullcrap that all cops are bad! It's stupid!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/28/17 10:52:22 PM #42:	GreenGoblinOck posted... Veedrock- posted... I live in a world where people think police are the bad guys. Literally letting the media play you. And proud of it no doubt. Amen to this post! I'm sick of this bullcrap that all cops are bad! It's stupid! Some cops are bad. You think they are just gonna give military grade equipment and weapons to the Boy Scouts? --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead "I'm Mary Poppins ya'll!" <cite>Mead posted [p:885629609] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote><cite>GreenGoblinOck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Veedrock- posted...</cite> <quote>I live in a world where people think police are the bad guys. Literally letting the media play you. And proud of it no doubt.</quote> Amen to this post! I'm sick of this bullcrap that all cops are bad! It's stupid!</quote> Some cops are bad. You think they are just gonna give military grade equipment and weapons to the Boy Scouts?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veedrock- 08/28/17 11:12:32 PM #43:	streamofthesky posted... So you're cool with it as long as it's the state police force instead of a federal agency, then? So if your state passed laws to ban guns and confiscate them from citizens, you'd be ok with that as well since it's local government violating your rights. Correct? Strawman much? What are you even on about dude. --- My friends call me Vee. I'm not your friend, buddy. <cite>Veedrock- posted [p:885630719] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote><cite>streamofthesky posted...</cite> <quote>So you're cool with it as long as it's the state police force instead of a federal agency, then? So if your state passed laws to ban guns and confiscate them from citizens, you'd be ok with that as well since it's local government violating your rights. Correct?</quote> Strawman much? What are you even on about dude.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XlaxJynx007 08/28/17 11:18:33 PM #44:	Smarkil posted... I'm pro-cop but I really really hate the militarization of police. Yep, I think the militarization has been one of the biggest causes of police mistrust over the past 15 or so years. It doesn't raise people's trust when the guy pulling them over looks and tries to act like a commando. --- XB1: MrMegaNutz PS4: DrMegaNutz <cite>XlaxJynx007 posted [p:885630999] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smarkil posted...</cite> <quote>I'm pro-cop but I really really hate the militarization of police.</quote> Yep, I think the militarization has been one of the biggest causes of police mistrust over the past 15 or so years. It doesn't raise people's trust when the guy pulling them over looks and tries to act like a commando.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 08/28/17 11:27:11 PM #45:	Ordinarily I'd be against it. However, with BLM and Antifa threatening to turn any given city into a warzone, unfortunately it's become a necessity. When Obama stopped the program after Ferguson of all things, it was one of the stupidest decisions in his incredibly terrible presidency. Doctor Foxx posted... Ooh yay militarized law enforcement that's totally a safe and sensible idea Think they could also get some working body cameras to go with the big guns After shit like Ferguson, ALL police departments should be armed with riot gear. dainkinkaide posted... TheWorstPoster posted... This totally has nothing to do with Antifa riots going on, nope Yeah, let's militarize the police to deal with those people who are violently against encroaching fascism. That'll show 'em. You mean the violently fascistic protestors. If Antifa wanted to protest fascism, they'd protest themselves. streamofthesky posted... Yay, let's give armored vehicles, grenade launchers, and more to a bunch of soldier wannabes who've had none of the training or discipline to use them appropriately, so they can fuck up some enemy combatants....I mean....serve and protect their fellow neighbors and citizens. Yeah! The grenade launchers aren't going to shoot actual grenades and armored vehicles are literally the least problematic items being given out. Mead posted... Like so many other decisions that come from the white house this is about making more $$$ for defense contractors and not much else Which is my only criticism. We shouldn't have a large enough surplus to just hand stuff out. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:885631405] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote>Ordinarily I'd be against it. However, with BLM and Antifa threatening to turn any given city into a warzone, unfortunately it's become a necessity. When Obama stopped the program after Ferguson of all things, it was one of the stupidest decisions in his incredibly terrible presidency. <cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>Ooh yay militarized law enforcement that's totally a safe and sensible idea Think they could also get some working body cameras to go with the big guns</quote> After shit like Ferguson, ALL police departments should be armed with riot gear. <cite>dainkinkaide posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheWorstPoster posted...</cite> <quote>This totally has nothing to do with Antifa riots going on, nope</quote> Yeah, let's militarize the police to deal with those people who are violently against encroaching fascism. That'll show 'em.</quote> You mean the violently fascistic protestors. If Antifa wanted to protest fascism, they'd protest themselves. <cite>streamofthesky posted...</cite> <quote>Yay, let's give armored vehicles, grenade launchers, and more to a bunch of soldier wannabes who've had none of the training or discipline to use them appropriately, so they can fuck up some enemy combatants....I mean....serve and protect their fellow neighbors and citizens. Yeah!</quote> The grenade launchers aren't going to shoot actual grenades and armored vehicles are literally the least problematic items being given out. <cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Like so many other decisions that come from the white house this is about making more $$$ for defense contractors and not much else</quote> Which is my only criticism. We shouldn't have a large enough surplus to just hand stuff out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GreenGoblinOck 08/28/17 11:43:29 PM #46:	Mead posted... GreenGoblinOck posted... Veedrock- posted... I live in a world where people think police are the bad guys. Literally letting the media play you. And proud of it no doubt. Amen to this post! I'm sick of this bullcrap that all cops are bad! It's stupid! Some cops are bad. You think they are just gonna give military grade equipment and weapons to the Boy Scouts? No but just because some cops are bad does not mean that military equipment shouldn't be given to cops in extreme situations. I'm not going to argue with you! There needs to be a board just for conservatives on this site! --- "A lot of good people have slept with prostitutes." Jen <cite>GreenGoblinOck posted [p:885632179] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GreenGoblinOck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Veedrock- posted...</cite> <quote>I live in a world where people think police are the bad guys. Literally letting the media play you. And proud of it no doubt.</quote> Amen to this post! I'm sick of this bullcrap that all cops are bad! It's stupid!</quote> Some cops are bad. You think they are just gonna give military grade equipment and weapons to the Boy Scouts?</quote> No but just because some cops are bad does not mean that military equipment shouldn't be given to cops in extreme situations. I'm not going to argue with you! There needs to be a board just for conservatives on this site!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/28/17 11:44:19 PM #47:	GreenGoblinOck posted... Mead posted... GreenGoblinOck posted... Veedrock- posted... I live in a world where people think police are the bad guys. Literally letting the media play you. And proud of it no doubt. Amen to this post! I'm sick of this bullcrap that all cops are bad! It's stupid! Some cops are bad. You think they are just gonna give military grade equipment and weapons to the Boy Scouts? No but just because some cops are bad does not mean that military equipment shouldn't be given to cops in extreme situations. I'm not going to argue with you! There needs to be a board just for conservatives on this site! Good luck on finding your safe space --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead "I'm Mary Poppins ya'll!" <cite>Mead posted [p:885632227] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote><cite>GreenGoblinOck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GreenGoblinOck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Veedrock- posted...</cite> <quote>I live in a world where people think police are the bad guys. Literally letting the media play you. And proud of it no doubt.</quote> Amen to this post! I'm sick of this bullcrap that all cops are bad! It's stupid!</quote> Some cops are bad. You think they are just gonna give military grade equipment and weapons to the Boy Scouts?</quote> No but just because some cops are bad does not mean that military equipment shouldn't be given to cops in extreme situations. I'm not going to argue with you! There needs to be a board just for conservatives on this site!</quote> Good luck on finding your safe space</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Roy_Turkey 08/28/17 11:45:44 PM #48:	Several Ideas... 1. If they bring back the T.V. Show COPS, it will surely rock! 2. Prank calling Police now, will be more fun that EVER! 3. Remember that Scene in Idiocracy, where Rico's car gets attacked? (the guy with the backwards pointed R.P.G. was the icing)? Well thats gonna be fun as fuck to watch. 4. Calling the Cops. Lawyers won't have as many clients, because they will most likely be dead from a shot to the face with a MK 19. This will make a lot of Lawyers angry, and Harvard School of Law won't be getting as many students to follow the trade. 5. Anybody? Please Continue... =D --- Wanna know what Uranium smells like?... You not need travel very far.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzbvTvlErE0 <cite>Roy_Turkey posted [p:885632291] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote>Several Ideas... 1. If they bring back the T.V. Show COPS, it will surely rock! 2. Prank calling Police now, will be more fun that EVER! 3. Remember that Scene in Idiocracy, where Rico's car gets attacked? (the guy with the backwards pointed R.P.G. was the icing)? Well thats gonna be fun as fuck to watch. 4. Calling the Cops. Lawyers won't have as many clients, because they will most likely be dead from a shot to the face with a MK 19. This will make a lot of Lawyers angry, and Harvard School of Law won't be getting as many students to follow the trade. 5. Anybody? Please Continue... =D</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 08/28/17 11:45:51 PM #49:	Mead posted... GreenGoblinOck posted... Mead posted... GreenGoblinOck posted... Veedrock- posted... I live in a world where people think police are the bad guys. Literally letting the media play you. And proud of it no doubt. Amen to this post! I'm sick of this bullcrap that all cops are bad! It's stupid! Some cops are bad. You think they are just gonna give military grade equipment and weapons to the Boy Scouts? No but just because some cops are bad does not mean that military equipment shouldn't be given to cops in extreme situations. I'm not going to argue with you! There needs to be a board just for conservatives on this site! Good luck on finding your safe space It's probably behind the cops in their armored vehicles, which will thankfully separate him and the rest of civilized society from the violent thugs trying to burn cities to the ground. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:885632295] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GreenGoblinOck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GreenGoblinOck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Veedrock- posted...</cite> <quote>I live in a world where people think police are the bad guys. Literally letting the media play you. And proud of it no doubt.</quote> Amen to this post! I'm sick of this bullcrap that all cops are bad! It's stupid!</quote> Some cops are bad. You think they are just gonna give military grade equipment and weapons to the Boy Scouts?</quote> No but just because some cops are bad does not mean that military equipment shouldn't be given to cops in extreme situations. I'm not going to argue with you! There needs to be a board just for conservatives on this site!</quote> Good luck on finding your safe space</quote> It's probably behind the cops in their armored vehicles, which will thankfully separate him and the rest of civilized society from the violent thugs trying to burn cities to the ground.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 08/28/17 11:48:00 PM #50:	Roy_Turkey posted... 4. Calling the Cops. Lawyers won't have as many clients, because they will most likely be dead from a shot to the face with a MK 19. This will make a lot of Lawyers angry, and Harvard School of Law won't be getting as many students to follow the trade. MKs aren't being handed out and, even if they were, they wouldn't just be given to patrolmen. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:885632396] in Trump lift... [t:75717939]...</cite> <quote><cite>Roy_Turkey posted...</cite> <quote>4. Calling the Cops. Lawyers won't have as many clients, because they will most likely be dead from a shot to the face with a MK 19. This will make a lot of Lawyers angry, and Harvard School of Law won't be getting as many students to follow the trade.</quote> MKs aren't being handed out and, even if they were, they wouldn't just be given to patrolmen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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