Topic List |
Page List:
1 |
---|---|
Stalolin 08/30/17 7:24:40 AM #1: |
Genuine question.
Because Remember when people were like "This show is too slow, it's been like 17 seasons and Dany still hasn't gotten to Westeros."? Now they're like "Why didn't a title card come up saying two weeks later? Why didn't they show some pointless travel scenes? I complained in season 5 about filler but now I want more. MORE I SAY." --- "I spend a lot of time with the real me and believe me, nobody's gonna love that guy." - Bojack Horseman ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
scar the 1 08/30/17 7:27:39 AM #2: |
Because it used to be House of Cards meets Lord of the Rings, now it's fantasy Transformers.
--- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
ArchiePeck 08/30/17 7:28:32 AM #3: |
I didn't dislike it, but it definitely seemed like a lazy bit of plot reverse engineering just so they could get
... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Stalolin 08/30/17 7:29:51 AM #4: |
scar the 1 posted...
Because it used to be House of Cards meets Lord of the Rings, now it's fantasy Transformers. What are you basing that on? Can you be more specific? --- "I spend a lot of time with the real me and believe me, nobody's gonna love that guy." - Bojack Horseman ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
yemmy 08/30/17 7:30:16 AM #5: |
fast travel, too much fan service with the walking around (which ended up taking the one kid, what like 5 minutes to backtrack, and random people just seemed to show up out of nowhere), overall predictable
--- p226 ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
clearaflagrantj 08/30/17 7:32:04 AM #6: |
scar the 1 posted...
Because it used to be House of Cards meets Lord of the Rings, now it's fantasy Transformers. Yup. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Stalolin 08/30/17 7:34:17 AM #7: |
clearaflagrantj posted...
scar the 1 posted...Because it used to be House of Cards meets Lord of the Rings, now it's fantasy Transformers. Here's what I don't understand about this complaint though. --- "I spend a lot of time with the real me and believe me, nobody's gonna love that guy." - Bojack Horseman ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
clearaflagrantj 08/30/17 7:36:56 AM #8: |
Stalolin posted...
clearaflagrantj posted...scar the 1 posted...Because it used to be House of Cards meets Lord of the Rings, now it's fantasy Transformers. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Kelystic 08/30/17 7:38:24 AM #9: |
... Copied to Clipboard!
|
_Near_ 08/30/17 7:38:31 AM #10: |
The timing is what bothered me.
--- http://i.imgur.com/QoIYepz.gif Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
GunmaN1905 08/30/17 7:40:51 AM #11: |
Show has been reduced to the level where you have to just watch it and enjoy the action, without thinking about anything.
Otherwise so many things are going to annoy you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Stalolin 08/30/17 7:41:31 AM #12: |
clearaflagrantj posted...
Stalolin posted...clearaflagrantj posted...scar the 1 posted...Because it used to be House of Cards meets Lord of the Rings, now it's fantasy Transformers. Why? What specific purpose would that serve in this instance? --- "I spend a lot of time with the real me and believe me, nobody's gonna love that guy." - Bojack Horseman ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
AlecSkorpio 08/30/17 7:45:08 AM #13: |
It's just really fucking stupid if you put any amount of thought into what happened.
Like, the Night King But wait, his plan was to lure Dany out there to get her dragon you say? They had to be alive for that to happen? Then why the fuck did he have his entire fucking horde swarm them the second he could? Why did we have to have this ridiculous scene where Gendry ran days worth of blizzard terrain in hours to call for help when we could have just had Bran see them in need of help and use his powers to alert Dany? Then you have the stuff that makes it even dumber after episode 7? Why did Beric and Tormund have to live through that horde rush if they were just going to possibly die offscreen when the wall fell? Shit was dumb --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Perascamin 08/30/17 7:46:38 AM #14: |
The Dragon has three heads, but the show threw away the fake Aegon plot entirely so we're all really pissed off about that.
Euron is supposed to be a scary and powerful character but in the show he's just a complete dumbass. No Valyerian Steel armor, he doesn't have the Horn of Winter which is totally what's supposed to break the wall. Season 7 did a lot of garbage things, but the fast travel in episode 6 is particularly a problem because George RR Martin is a writer that has avoided Dues Ex Machina moments and the show writers don't know what they're doing --- I've grown. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Stalolin 08/30/17 7:48:31 AM #15: |
AlecSkorpio posted...
It's just really fucking stupid if you put any amount of thought into what happened. 1) Because there'd be nothing stopping them from just dipping out and not needing rescue? Haha. Can't 2) Has it been established that 3) I don't think they dead --- "I spend a lot of time with the real me and believe me, nobody's gonna love that guy." - Bojack Horseman ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
COVxy 08/30/17 7:52:09 AM #16: |
It was just a clear demonstration of the drop in writing quality this season.
Also, the people complaining about slowness in the beginning are most likely different people then those complaining now. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
AlecSkorpio 08/30/17 7:55:06 AM #17: |
Stalolin posted...
2) Has it been established that Bran even knew where they were or what they were doing? He's not omnipotent. Close though, I think? It has literally been established that Bran is specifically keeping tabs on the army of the dead in order to keep Jon and everyone else updated. It is far more reasonable to believe that he would have simply seen them in need of help during one of his many raven wargs than Gendry running and getting help like he did. And I get that they wanted a big battle action sequence, but there were still better ways to do it. They're completely surrounded on that lake, but they could have simply made it so that even after the ice froze back over they still didn't attack, leaving Jon and them to wonder what the hell they are planning. Then maybe the dragons would roar as they approached, and THEN the NK would have his army to swarm to make it appear he's trying to get them before they can escape. They set it up as like some big reveal that Dany showed up even though it was clear as fuck she was going to show up so there was no reason to have them battling in order to build tension on if she would show up or not. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Mernardi 08/30/17 7:55:50 AM #18: |
Just nerds jumping on the hate bandwagon.
--- Chaos is a ladder ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Stalolin 08/30/17 7:56:03 AM #19: |
Perascamin posted...
Dues Ex Machina moments and the show writers don't know what they're doing There haven't been any of those. ? COVxy posted... It was just a clear demonstration of the drop in writing quality this season. Fair point. But what do you mean about that first part? In what way was it a clear demonstration? Which part? --- "I spend a lot of time with the real me and believe me, nobody's gonna love that guy." - Bojack Horseman ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Stalolin 08/30/17 7:59:14 AM #20: |
AlecSkorpio posted...
Stalolin posted...2) Has it been established that Bran even knew where they were or what they were doing? He's not omnipotent. Close though, I think? That's a good point. But then I wonder, is it MORE or LESS believable that --- "I spend a lot of time with the real me and believe me, nobody's gonna love that guy." - Bojack Horseman ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
AlecSkorpio 08/30/17 8:02:48 AM #21: |
Stalolin posted...
AlecSkorpio posted...Stalolin posted...2) Has it been established that Bran even knew where they were or what they were doing? He's not omnipotent. Close though, I think? I don't complain about coincidental timing because it's a TV show, I complain that Gendry being able to make that trek in that amount of time doesn't follow the logic that the show previously had. Where as Bran coincidentally seeing they need help through his powers that the show already established would follow that logic. See, if Gendry was established to have the Flashes powers, or teleportation, or something then I wouldn't be complaining about this. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Stalolin 08/30/17 8:03:59 AM #22: |
AlecSkorpio posted...
Truuuue, I can dig that. --- "I spend a lot of time with the real me and believe me, nobody's gonna love that guy." - Bojack Horseman ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Stalolin 08/30/17 8:05:16 AM #23: |
AlecSkorpio posted...
Stalolin posted...AlecSkorpio posted...Stalolin posted...2) Has it been established that Bran even knew where they were or what they were doing? He's not omnipotent. Close though, I think? I get the point you're trying to make but can you be more specific with this line of thought? Also what amount of time? Does it say specifically? --- "I spend a lot of time with the real me and believe me, nobody's gonna love that guy." - Bojack Horseman ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
_Near_ 08/30/17 8:05:16 AM #24: |
AlecSkorpio posted...
Didn't you hear? He's the fastest runner. --- http://i.imgur.com/QoIYepz.gif Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
scar the 1 08/30/17 8:05:25 AM #25: |
Stalolin posted...
scar the 1 posted...Because it used to be House of Cards meets Lord of the Rings, now it's fantasy Transformers. I'm basing that on the latest couple of seasons vs the first couple of seasons. They were more about political intrigue and barely had any action in them at all. In fact, a lot of the battles happened off-screen. Now there's barely any political intrigue and the seasons are centered on "epic" battles, while the plot is just a means to that end. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Mernardi 08/30/17 8:07:32 AM #26: |
scar the 1 posted...
Stalolin posted...scar the 1 posted...Because it used to be House of Cards meets Lord of the Rings, now it's fantasy Transformers. It's almost like the show is wrapping up. --- Chaos is a ladder ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
scar the 1 08/30/17 8:09:09 AM #27: |
Mernardi posted...
scar the 1 posted...Stalolin posted...scar the 1 posted...Because it used to be House of Cards meets Lord of the Rings, now it's fantasy Transformers. It's almost like you made a completely obvious, irrelevant statement. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
COVxy 08/30/17 8:09:41 AM #28: |
Stalolin posted...
Fair point. But what do you mean about that first part? The entire episode reeked of generating plot elements only to ensure one or two later plot points were possible, and this was then confirmed by the after episode interviews where they said as much. At best, this produces writing that feels non natural, at worst as it happened in this particular episode, it breaks logical consistency. These things just pull the viewer out of the experience, destroy any immersion. For me, it makes the viewing experience much less enjoyable. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Mernardi 08/30/17 8:10:13 AM #29: |
scar the 1 posted...
Mernardi posted...scar the 1 posted...Stalolin posted...scar the 1 posted...Because it used to be House of Cards meets Lord of the Rings, now it's fantasy Transformers. So how is a show where they're about to fight an undead army and try to overthrow the sitting Queen supposed to not have a lot of action? lol --- Chaos is a ladder ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Stalolin 08/30/17 8:10:25 AM #30: |
I hear what you're saying (although I think the battles thing was largely a budget limitation). BUT to you I ask again what I asked some other dude a minute ago: Also --- "I spend a lot of time with the real me and believe me, nobody's gonna love that guy." - Bojack Horseman ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Stalolin 08/30/17 8:12:20 AM #31: |
COVxy posted...
Stalolin posted...Fair point. But what do you mean about that first part? I see your point here - that's a fair criticism. --- "I spend a lot of time with the real me and believe me, nobody's gonna love that guy." - Bojack Horseman ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
DoctorVader 08/30/17 8:14:06 AM #32: |
The timeline was intentionally ambiguous. This is what the director said.
--- It all just disappears, doesn't it? Everything you are, gone in a moment, like breath on a mirror. - The Doctor ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Stalolin 08/30/17 8:15:10 AM #33: |
DoctorVader posted...
The timeline was intentionally ambiguous. This is what the director said. Hmmmmmm. --- "I spend a lot of time with the real me and believe me, nobody's gonna love that guy." - Bojack Horseman ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
COVxy 08/30/17 8:17:14 AM #34: |
DoctorVader posted...
The timeline was intentionally ambiguous. This is what the director said. More or less, they knew it was bullshit, purposefully didn't explicate the timeline, and hoped viewers wouldn't be observant enough to notice. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
fan357 08/30/17 8:20:18 AM #35: |
The series has been building up to this and people don't understand that there's no time to throw in some unpredictable bull crap. The show is still entertaining. Just the Internet being a bunch of babies as usual.
--- Never forget where you came from. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
scar the 1 08/30/17 8:21:03 AM #36: |
Stalolin posted...
Fair questions. I don't have a perfect answer to the first one - I'm not a writer. However, the show got popular not because of the fantasy elements (I believe), but because the plot was relatable. My impression is that a lot of people appreciated how characters were positioned in morally gray areas rather than this typical "good vs evil". Yes, the good vs evil is there in the form of white walkers, but it's a backdrop. If a show changes its tone the way GoT has done, it's bound to lose a lot of its original fan base. As for your second question, --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Stalolin 08/30/17 8:23:51 AM #37: |
scar the 1 posted...
for your second question, I don't really care for the way they deleted so many of the major houses and players. It's very transparent and it indicates that they had no idea how to resolve the plots they started. The bombing of Baelor's Sept is perhaps the most egregious example of this, however not much higher up on the list is Ramsay offing Roose to make sure the Boltons are completely evil and can't be rooted for, Littlefinger being reduced to a pathetic sideline schemer, and Varys being reduced to a bald, frowning guy with nothing interesting to say. You've got a really good point there haha. --- "I spend a lot of time with the real me and believe me, nobody's gonna love that guy." - Bojack Horseman ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Srk700 08/30/17 8:41:17 AM #38: |
AlecSkorpio posted...
... Copied to Clipboard!
|
D-Lo_BrownTown 08/30/17 6:37:36 PM #39: |
It's funny cause before it was re purposed, the dialogue was about ASOIAF but it's even more apt for the show now. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
pauIie 08/30/17 7:03:51 PM #40: |
i didn't hate the episode. but some of the goofy shit to me was
they had better ways of getting dany to east watch without having gendry run. bran's been keeping tabs on the night king. he could have seen it and sent the raven. they established the connection between jon and the dragons. they could have sensed he was in danger and dany could have taken off. that would help explain how dany found them too. if they wanted to jon to fall in the ice, he could have just fallen off a dragon, instead of teasing that with jorah. not charge forward when everyone is on dragons waiting for his ass. the actual fighting wasn't as good as other fight scenes. jons twirly backstab move was tight though. you got dudes that can light swords on fire but they're sitting there freezing. lord of light needs to bestow that power to jon as well. ....benjen. just...benjen v_v the whole plan to begin with was pretty dumb. i guess that was the best way to get the night king a dragon. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
DifferentialEquation 08/30/17 7:09:03 PM #41: |
It was one of the better episodes of the series. Those complaining probably just aren't used to sophisticated and nuanced plots.
--- "If the day does not require an AK, it is good." The Great Warrior Poet, Ice Cube ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
scar the 1 08/31/17 1:23:25 AM #42: |
DifferentialEquation posted...
It was one of the better episodes of the series. Those complaining probably just aren't used to sophisticated and nuanced plots. I'm really starting to appreciate your posts. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Darmik 08/31/17 1:32:31 AM #43: |
The biggest issue to me was just the execution really. Battles in the show generally feel pretty grounded.
Sure we still have the main characters surviving in those battles because at the end of the day it's still a TV show. But we had stuff like the scene where Jon nearly suffocates fighting Ramsay for example. They still feel human. In this scene we have a badass hero squad fighting off hundreds of zombie soldiers. There's nothing else really like this in the series before. It looked like something from The Avengers. I think if it was something like Jon and crew spending most of their time hiding behind enemy lines and barely surviving it would have went down a lot better. --- Kind Regards, Darmik ... Copied to Clipboard!
|
Topic List |
Page List:
1 |