Current Events > Daily reminder that if it's ok to punch Nazis, it's also ok to punch Commies.

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gunplagirl posted...

That_Happened posted...

The Admiral posted...

Yes, even if those words are hateful and call for things like genocide, they are still just words and do not merit unilateral violence.

*group of people point guns at other group of people*

"Ready!"
Admiral: It's just words! Do not respond with violence!
"Aiiiiim!"
Admiral: Hold on guys! It's just words!

*person punches gun holder*

Admiral: YOU'RE NO BETTER THAN THEY ARE!

And then the next step where Addy justifies the Nazis executing them because they punched them.

Rofl!! XD

You're so ridiculous that you literally made me tear from laughing.

Can you guys read? Admiral said that you shouldn't attack people because of words. Having a gun pointed at you is an act of potential violence so you can respond with self defence. Someone saying something is not an act of violence.

XD
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PoopMcgee420 posted...

That_Happened posted...

The Admiral posted...

You mean undo the hyperbolic and intellectually dishonest conflation you tried to do with WW2 Nazis?

Could you do me a favor and point out where I confused them with WW2 Nazis?

Secondly, could you explain why it matters at all if it's a WW2 Nazi or a 2017 Neo Nazi? Both groups advocate white supremacy and both groups are for the removal of people of color by force. The only difference is the former actually attempted it while the latter is just gearing up for it.

The thing is the people on the left have a habit of calling every white person who disagrees with them a racist...

Seriously if you engage in a disagreement with a liberal and its about race ....9 out of 10 times they will call you a klansman, a nazi, or another racist group...

So when people say "punch a nazi" i sometimes wonder if they mean people who are actually racist or if they mean white dudes who voted for Trump....

You're talking to someone who has said numerous times that hating the #PunchNazis crowd makes you a Nazi sympathizer.
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Can you guys read? Admiral said that you shouldn't attack people because of words. Having a gun pointed at you is an act of potential violence so you can respond with self defence.

You have a situation where people are literally carrying weapons and threatening your life based on your skin color or religion. Sorry, but you do not become a shittier person than them just because you attack before they do. That, too, is self defense. For the record, if you want to punch an Antifa member who is holding a brick, feel free.
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darkjedilink posted...

You're talking to someone who has said numerous times that hating the #PunchNazis crowd makes you a Nazi sympathizer.

Oddly enough, you can't find any proof of this comment, or any of the other comments you attribute to me. It's almost like you're making them up.
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That_Happened posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Can you guys read? Admiral said that you shouldn't attack people because of words. Having a gun pointed at you is an act of potential violence so you can respond with self defence.

You have a situation where people are literally carrying weapons and threatening your life based on your skin color or religion. Sorry, but you do not become a shittier person than them just because you attack before they do. That, too, is self defense. For the record, if you want to punch an Antifa member who is holding a brick, feel free.

If someone has a weapon pointed at you, then yes you respond in self defence regardless of that person's identity or political leanings.

But if people just say stupid crap to be hateful, ignore them or laugh at them. Violence is a last resort.
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Wait - did @That_Happened really claim you can call hitting someone over mean words self-defense?
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

then yes you respond in self defence regardless of that person's identity or political leanings.

Sorry but I think context is important. I wouldn't punch anybody, but there's a difference between an individual who starts a fight with you because of something you actually did, and a neo nazi who wants people dead because of his ideology. I can laugh at a simple misunderstanding with an otherwise rational person. I can't laugh at white supremacists.
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

gunplagirl posted...

That_Happened posted...

The Admiral posted...

Yes, even if those words are hateful and call for things like genocide, they are still just words and do not merit unilateral violence.

*group of people point guns at other group of people*

"Ready!"
Admiral: It's just words! Do not respond with violence!
"Aiiiiim!"
Admiral: Hold on guys! It's just words!

*person punches gun holder*

Admiral: YOU'RE NO BETTER THAN THEY ARE!

And then the next step where Addy justifies the Nazis executing them because they punched them.

Rofl!! XD

You're so ridiculous that you literally made me tear from laughing.

Can you guys read? Admiral said that you shouldn't attack people because of words. Having a gun pointed at you is an act of potential violence so you can respond with self defence. Someone saying something is not an act of violence.

XD

Threats are a crime. So yeah, miss me with that "not violence" bs

Remind me again which side has members show up openly armed? That's right. The Nazis?!
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darkjedilink posted...

Wait - did @That_Happened really claim you can call hitting someone over mean words self-defense?

Nope. What I said was that if someone is carrying a weapon and threatening your life then there's nothing wrong with you attacking before they get the chance. That's more than just "mean words."

But I bet you'll still add your version to your list of made-up quotes I supposedly said.
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gunplagirl posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

gunplagirl posted...

That_Happened posted...

The Admiral posted...

Yes, even if those words are hateful and call for things like genocide, they are still just words and do not merit unilateral violence.

*group of people point guns at other group of people*

"Ready!"
Admiral: It's just words! Do not respond with violence!
"Aiiiiim!"
Admiral: Hold on guys! It's just words!

*person punches gun holder*

Admiral: YOU'RE NO BETTER THAN THEY ARE!

And then the next step where Addy justifies the Nazis executing them because they punched them.

Rofl!! XD

You're so ridiculous that you literally made me tear from laughing.

Can you guys read? Admiral said that you shouldn't attack people because of words. Having a gun pointed at you is an act of potential violence so you can respond with self defence. Someone saying something is not an act of violence.

XD

Threats are a crime. So yeah, miss me with that "not violence" bs

Remind me again which side has members show up openly armed? That's right. The Nazis?!

SOME threats are a crime. Still not self-defense.
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gunplagirl posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

gunplagirl posted...

That_Happened posted...

The Admiral posted...

Yes, even if those words are hateful and call for things like genocide, they are still just words and do not merit unilateral violence.

*group of people point guns at other group of people*

"Ready!"
Admiral: It's just words! Do not respond with violence!
"Aiiiiim!"
Admiral: Hold on guys! It's just words!

*person punches gun holder*

Admiral: YOU'RE NO BETTER THAN THEY ARE!

And then the next step where Addy justifies the Nazis executing them because they punched them.

Rofl!! XD

You're so ridiculous that you literally made me tear from laughing.

Can you guys read? Admiral said that you shouldn't attack people because of words. Having a gun pointed at you is an act of potential violence so you can respond with self defence. Someone saying something is not an act of violence.

XD

Threats are a crime. So yeah, miss me with that "not violence" bs

Remind me again which side has members show up openly armed? That's right. The Nazis?!

Literally both sides. Its why both extreme sides are pathetic

But only the left refuses to acknowledge the bullshit from the far left
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Modern libsocs and Stalinists are not the same thing.
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That_Happened posted...

The Admiral posted...

This actually needs to be explained to you? At its simplest form, one group had the will and capability to actually commit said genocide. The other is a group of angry losers with no institutional power or mechanism to oppress anyone.

So there is no real difference in their ideology, just a difference in their ability to carry out their goals on a large scale?

I never got an answer to this, @The_Admiral
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CircleOfManias posted...

Modern libsocs and Stalinists are not the same thing.

Neo-Nazis and WW2-era Nazis are not the same thing, either.

That's the point.
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That_Happened posted...

That_Happened posted...

The Admiral posted...

This actually needs to be explained to you? At its simplest form, one group had the will and capability to actually commit said genocide. The other is a group of angry losers with no institutional power or mechanism to oppress anyone.

So there is no real difference in their ideology, just a difference in their ability to carry out their goals on a large scale?

I never got an answer to this, @The_Admiral

You're kind of glossing over the major point here. If one group has no ability and isn't making any effort to carry out those cries of genocide, then they're completely impotent. They're literally just words. At that point, your calls for violence against them are just an expression of hate from your end. You become worse than these neo-Nazis once you throw the first punch.
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The Admiral posted...

You're kind of glossing over the major point here. If one group has no ability and isn't making any effort to carry out those cries of genocide, then they're completely impotent.

Even if they cannot accomplish this on a large scale the fact is on a small scale they're carrying weapons and looking for fights from the other side, in the hopes to gain power and membership to accomplish their goals. You see this as harmless. Many disagree with you, including me. And I do not think that punching someone who is trying to gain enough power to destroy other races makes you "worse than them." You say it "makes you a violent criminal" specifically because it completely removes the context of the situation.
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PoopMcgee420 posted...

Literally both sides. Its why both extreme sides are pathetic

But only the left refuses to acknowledge the bullshit from the far left

"ALL LEFTISTS CALL US RACISTS/BIGOTS/SEXISTS WHENEVER YOU DISAGREE WITH THEM ABOUT ANYTHING!"

"LEFTISTS NEVER EVER CALL OUT THEIR OWN SIDE! THEY ALL ARE PATHETIC CRYBABIES!"

You can't have it both ways JP, without being a massive fucking hypocrite anyways
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

PoopMcgee420 posted...

Literally both sides. Its why both extreme sides are pathetic

But only the left refuses to acknowledge the bullshit from the far left

"ALL LEFTISTS CALL US RACISTS/BIGOTS/SEXISTS WHENEVER YOU DISAGREE WITH THEM ABOUT ANYTHING!"

"LEFTISTS NEVER EVER CALL OUT THEIR OWN SIDE! THEY ALL ARE PATHETIC CRYBABIES!"

You can't have it both ways JP, without being a massive fucking hypocrite anyways

Those two statements aren't contradictory in any way.
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The Admiral posted...

That_Happened posted...

That_Happened posted...

The Admiral posted...

This actually needs to be explained to you? At its simplest form, one group had the will and capability to actually commit said genocide. The other is a group of angry losers with no institutional power or mechanism to oppress anyone.

So there is no real difference in their ideology, just a difference in their ability to carry out their goals on a large scale?

I never got an answer to this, @The_Admiral

You're kind of glossing over the major point here. If one group has no ability and isn't making any effort to carry out those cries of genocide, then they're completely impotent. They're literally just words. At that point, your calls for violence against them are just an expression of hate from your end. You become worse than these neo-Nazis once you throw the first punch.

Completely impotent except all those times they murdered black and lgbt people. Oh, and that time they crashed a car into dozens and killed one.
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gunplagirl posted...

The Admiral posted...

That_Happened posted...

That_Happened posted...

The Admiral posted...

This actually needs to be explained to you? At its simplest form, one group had the will and capability to actually commit said genocide. The other is a group of angry losers with no institutional power or mechanism to oppress anyone.

So there is no real difference in their ideology, just a difference in their ability to carry out their goals on a large scale?

I never got an answer to this, @The_Admiral

You're kind of glossing over the major point here. If one group has no ability and isn't making any effort to carry out those cries of genocide, then they're completely impotent. They're literally just words. At that point, your calls for violence against them are just an expression of hate from your end. You become worse than these neo-Nazis once you throw the first punch.

Completely impotent except all those times they murdered black and lgbt people. Oh, and that time they crashed a car into dozens and killed one.

And guess what? Those are CRIMES. Like punching someone without physical provocation is a CRIME.
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darkjedilink posted...

Those two statements aren't contradictory in any way.

Making broad declarative statements about a group of people while at the same time crying about others doing the same to you is absolutely a contradiction.
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darkjedilink posted...

Like punching someone without physical provocation is a CRIME.

Punching someone who threatens you or tries to intimidate you is also fine.
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darkjedilink posted...

gunplagirl posted...

The Admiral posted...

That_Happened posted...

That_Happened posted...

The Admiral posted...

This actually needs to be explained to you? At its simplest form, one group had the will and capability to actually commit said genocide. The other is a group of angry losers with no institutional power or mechanism to oppress anyone.

So there is no real difference in their ideology, just a difference in their ability to carry out their goals on a large scale?

I never got an answer to this, @The_Admiral

You're kind of glossing over the major point here. If one group has no ability and isn't making any effort to carry out those cries of genocide, then they're completely impotent. They're literally just words. At that point, your calls for violence against them are just an expression of hate from your end. You become worse than these neo-Nazis once you throw the first punch.

Completely impotent except all those times they murdered black and lgbt people. Oh, and that time they crashed a car into dozens and killed one.

And guess what? Those are CRIMES. Like punching someone without physical provocation is a CRIME.

Ah yes. Racially based murder and assault are exactly the same. Oh wait that's right you think antifa are worse. Therefore assault is worse than murder.

Damn. And here I thought murder would necessitate assault at some point.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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That_Happened posted...

You say it "makes you a violent criminal" specifically because it completely removes the context of the situation.

This is what the law also says, not just me. And I included the proper content -- that you attacked a person without provocation. The remaining part about how their rhetoric hurts your feelings is irrelevant to the law. They have a constitutionally protected right to that speech.
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The Admiral posted...

And I included the proper content -- that you attacked a person without provocation

If we're talking about sucker punching Richard Spencer, I agree.
If we're talking about punching a guy holding a weapon and screaming in your face about how you should be eliminated, I disagree.
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Communism has killed exponentially more people than fascism or anything else. Communism is garbage and should be banned from the planet.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

PoopMcgee420 posted...

Literally both sides. Its why both extreme sides are pathetic

But only the left refuses to acknowledge the bullshit from the far left

"ALL LEFTISTS CALL US RACISTS/BIGOTS/SEXISTS WHENEVER YOU DISAGREE WITH THEM ABOUT ANYTHING!"

"LEFTISTS NEVER EVER CALL OUT THEIR OWN SIDE! THEY ALL ARE PATHETIC CRYBABIES!"

You can't have it both ways JP, without being a massive fucking hypocrite anyways

Whatever you say BioBullet

Also instead of trying to "prove me wrong" maybe you should just practice becoming a bit more intelligent because you are constantly posting incorrect bullshit
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Is it really unprovoked if a minority punches a Nazi when their ideology explicitly calls for their subjugation or extermination?
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Dash_Harber posted...

Except there is nothing inherently in communism that says 'commit genocide against innocents'.

Maybe not explicitly but it does have the whole "force everyone to do what I want or they will get killed/thrown in jail" thing

Are people here really arguing about which ideology is worse?

Who cares? Both suck and both cause millions of deaths. Those defending communists like Antifa because they're not as bad as Nazis are ridiculous.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Those two statements aren't contradictory in any way.

Making broad declarative statements about a group of people while at the same time crying about others doing the same to you is absolutely a contradiction.

Not when both are absolutely true.
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SGT_Conti posted...

Is it really unprovoked if a minority punches a Nazi when their ideology explicitly calls for their subjugation or extermination?

No.

Also, while communism has its problems, concepts of wealth sharing, worker's rights, and welfare are central Marxist tenets that have been adapted into our society for the benefit of the people. Furthermore, when people think of evil communists, they think of authoritarian rulers like Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao. These rulers go directly against the central tenets of Marxism as they created a ruling, wealthy class of their own at the expense of the working class. Nothing could be further from the core tenets of Marxism.

Nazism on the other hand, has no good ideas. Nothing that we have implemented in our country, and nothing that can be taken from it. One of the biggest arguments for free speech is that if we allow the free marketplace of ideas, we can move forward as a society by taking the good and eschewing the bad. However, Nazis are all bad and no good, so there's no need to protect them.
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I agree TC
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Also, topic #100 of admiral defending nazis
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There wouldn't even be tension from the right without antifa and blm. They were the ones who started the violence, and anybody who organizes to protect themselves against them is falsely labeled a Nazi.
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_Near_ posted...

Also, topic #100 of admiral defending nazis

@_Near_

Copy and paste where he defended them
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_Near_ posted...

Also, topic #100 of admiral defending nazis

It's always a welcome gesture when _Near_ shows off his complete illiteracy to CE so I don't have to point it out myself.
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post 38 - punching nazis makes you worse than them

it's always nice when admiral shows up to defend white supremacy so i don't have to point it out myself
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_Near_ posted...

post 38 - punching nazis makes you worse than them

it's always nice when admiral shows up to defend white supremacy so i don't have to point it out myself

Wow, doubling down on your illiteracy.

Unrelated question: did you break 300 on the verbal section of the SATs?
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literally thinks that putting nazis in a superior moral plane to those opposing them isn't defending them

literally using a college assessment test as an inuslt

why don't you leave the topic already like you usually do after you get trounced?
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Maybe just don't punch people?
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The Admiral posted...

Unrelated question: did you break 300 on the verbal section of the SATs?

_Near_ posted...

literally using a college assessment test as an inuslt

So that's clearly a no.
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Quite a lot of thugs here who think it is acceptable to use physical violence against words they disagree with.
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nice deflection

keep avoiding the fact that you're defending white supremacists
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Dragonblade01 posted...

Maybe just don't punch people?

maybe just don't be a fucking nazi
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_Near_ posted...

nice deflection

keep avoiding the fact that you're defending white supremacists

Keep working at that remedial reading! One day we'll have a topic where you don't humiliate yourself showing that you can't comprehend basic sentences.
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i'd like to say that one day we'll have a topic when you won't furiously defend nazis

but i don't think that'll happen
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I bet 9/10 CEmen would wet their pants in the presence of a physical threat, let alone preemptively attack someone.
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