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hockeybub89
09/08/17 8:40:19 PM
#52:


Mal_Fet posted...

Unfortunately, being able to have someone bake you a cake is not a human right.

That is a gross misrepresentation of discrimination. It is not about the right to do a specific thing. You'd probably have to dig through the fringiest of the fringe to find that argument. It's about whether you value businesses or consumers more and whether you think people should be able to be denied things over immutable characteristics. People also don't have a right to work a specific job at a specific company, but they have a right to not be turned away due to certain things about them. And remember: not being discriminated against is currently a legal right and many people consider it a human right. The burden is on people like you to make the argument to change that.
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Squidkids
09/08/17 8:50:51 PM
#53:


Mal_Fet posted...
Squidkids posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
LittleRoyal posted...
Depends. If the business has any loans or government money in it, you can't.

If the business is completely private then fine be an asshole. But that's bad for business so your loss

^ Exactly.


and that is wrong, lamo

learn laws/ morals and come back, or stop being a troll?

Should everything that's immoral be illegal?

explain a situation why it shouldnt't be
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DonaldClinton
09/08/17 8:53:51 PM
#54:


Squidkids posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Squidkids posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
LittleRoyal posted...
Depends. If the business has any loans or government money in it, you can't.

If the business is completely private then fine be an asshole. But that's bad for business so your loss

^ Exactly.


and that is wrong, lamo

learn laws/ morals and come back, or stop being a troll?

Should everything that's immoral be illegal?

explain a situation why it shouldnt't be

Lying is immoral. Cops lie when they go undercover to solve cases. I guess undercover ops should be illegal now.
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Mal_Fet
09/08/17 9:17:42 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
And I'm saying any crime could theoretically end in force if you ignore enough shit.

And there are plenty of crimes were that is totally justified.

Now justify the law that forces people to bake cakes at gunpoint.

hockeybub89 posted...
That is a gross misrepresentation of discrimination.

What would happen if the baker refused to bake the cake or pay the fine
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TommyG663513
09/08/17 9:38:23 PM
#57:


Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
And I'm saying any crime could theoretically end in force if you ignore enough shit.

And there are plenty of crimes were that is totally justified.

Now justify the law that forces people to bake cakes at gunpoint.

hockeybub89 posted...
That is a gross misrepresentation of discrimination.

What would happen if the baker refused to bake the cake or pay the fine


If there is no precedent for someone having a gun shoved in their face over this then your argument is just some theoretical BS.

Also, on a completely unrelated note, do you support cops shoving their guns in peoples faces who have not committed any sort of crime? Because that example is quite a bit less theoretical than your example.
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hockeybub89
09/08/17 9:44:31 PM
#58:


Mal_Fet posted...
And there are plenty of crimes were that is totally justified.

Now justify the law that forces people to bake cakes at gunpoint.

I have. That is not the typical reaction. Can you link to some examples of people being held at gunpoint for discriminating, not paying fines, or otherwise non-violently breaking law? Now, do you think tax evasion should not be a crime because the government could eventually point at gun at you for not giving them money? What about refusing to pay alimony? White-collar crime? Piracy? Hacking? For the 10,000 time, theoretically, any broken law could eventually result in you having arms drawn against you. Are you against all those laws? And really, what is your solution if people do continually refuse to follow a law or pay the price for breaking one? Just keep giving them stern warnings until they get annoyed enough to pay up? Abolish all those laws? What?

Mal_Fet posted...
What would happen if the baker refused to bake the cake or pay the fine

That has nothing to do with what you quoted. I was saying "the right to get a cake from a Christian baker" is a gross misrepresentation of what anti-discrimination proponents are for. It isn't about getting specific things from specific people.

But to answer you, I imagine they would increase fines, try to take you to court, garnish your wages, do some other non-gun related things to you. If things get bad enough, maybe one day they will just finally come to arrest you. And, if you get aggressive and hostile, maybe they will point a gun at you during the arrest if you do certain things. That is a far cry from "the US government points guns at people when they say mean things to gay people".
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Mal_Fet
09/08/17 9:57:37 PM
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TommyG663513 posted...
If there is no precedent for someone having a gun shoved in their face over this then your argument is just some theoretical BS.

So you believe that nothing would happen if the baker refused the court order to pay the fine. Correct?

TommyG663513 posted...
Also, on a completely unrelated note, do you support cops shoving their guns in peoples faces who have not committed any sort of crime?

No.

hockeybub89 posted...
I have. That is not the typical reaction.

All laws are backed by a threat of violence. No one would follow any laws if they could just refuse to do what the courts say and never see any further repercussions.

hockeybub89 posted...
But to answer you, I imagine they would increase fines, try to take you to court, garnish your wages, do some other non-gun related things to you. If things get bad enough, maybe one day they will just finally come to arrest you.

What if you tell them you don't want to be arrested?

What do police do to people who resist arrest?
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Squidkids
09/08/17 10:05:57 PM
#60:


-Gavirulax- posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
Just get a cake from another shop?


Logic detected.

no it is not, logic would tell people stop with this BS ("christian bakers") to stir up trouble.

It is the same as doing this:
https://youtu.be/pZemm35fqYA?t=53
(christian bakers would be the purple, and orange is US courts, as to why I am showing this, the answer is at the end)

It is against the law, it is against christian beliefs to pull this to begin with, it is just trying stir up drama.
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Mal_Fet
09/08/17 10:10:40 PM
#61:


Squidkids posted...
-Gavirulax- posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
Just get a cake from another shop?


Logic detected.

no it is not, logic would tell people stop with this BS ("christian bakers") to stir up trouble.

It is the same as doing this:
https://youtu.be/pZemm35fqYA?t=53
(christian bakers would be the purple, and orange is US courts, as to why I am showing this, the answer is at the end)

It is against the law, it is against christian beliefs to pull this to begin with, it is just trying stir up drama.

I have no idea what this anime crap is supposed to mean.
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Rika_Furude
09/08/17 10:17:22 PM
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Businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. End of story. There are no "two sides to the story". They discriminated, and deserve to be shut down.
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LightningAce11
09/08/17 10:18:20 PM
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In a perfect world, people would be able to set aside their beliefs and differences and do their job.
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I4NRulez
09/08/17 10:25:21 PM
#65:


Rika_Furude posted...
Businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. End of story. There are no "two sides to the story". They discriminated, and deserve to be shut down.


This pretty much.

Also didnt the supreme court say that this isnt a violation of the first amendment?
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Rika_Furude
09/08/17 10:27:11 PM
#66:


I4NRulez posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. End of story. There are no "two sides to the story". They discriminated, and deserve to be shut down.


This pretty much.

Also didnt the supreme court say that this isnt a violation of the first amendment?

pretty much, because a business isnt a person
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Mal_Fet
09/08/17 10:28:59 PM
#67:


Rika_Furude posted...
Businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. End of story. There are no "two sides to the story". They discriminated, and deserve to be shut down.

"No shirt, no shoes, no service"
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Rika_Furude
09/08/17 10:30:06 PM
#68:


Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. End of story. There are no "two sides to the story". They discriminated, and deserve to be shut down.

"No shirt, no shoes, no service"

even poor people own shoes
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Blue_Inigo
09/08/17 10:32:45 PM
#69:


Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. End of story. There are no "two sides to the story". They discriminated, and deserve to be shut down.

"No shirt, no shoes, no service"

Imagine being this dense
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Mal_Fet
09/08/17 10:36:24 PM
#70:


Blue_Inigo posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. End of story. There are no "two sides to the story". They discriminated, and deserve to be shut down.

"No shirt, no shoes, no service"

Imagine being this dense

Imagine not knowing what "discrimination" is.
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Rika_Furude
09/08/17 10:38:41 PM
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Mal_Fet
09/08/17 10:40:34 PM
#72:


Rika_Furude posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. End of story. There are no "two sides to the story". They discriminated, and deserve to be shut down.

"No shirt, no shoes, no service"

even poor people own shoes

So you're saying that discrimination is sometimes ok?
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Rika_Furude
09/08/17 10:41:01 PM
#73:


Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. End of story. There are no "two sides to the story". They discriminated, and deserve to be shut down.

"No shirt, no shoes, no service"

even poor people own shoes

So you're saying that discrimination is sometimes ok?

no, how about you learn to read
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Blue_Inigo
09/08/17 10:42:59 PM
#74:


Mal_Fet posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. End of story. There are no "two sides to the story". They discriminated, and deserve to be shut down.

"No shirt, no shoes, no service"

Imagine being this dense

Imagine not knowing what "discrimination" is.

Imagine defending Nazis
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Mal_Fet
09/08/17 10:43:35 PM
#75:


Rika_Furude posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. End of story. There are no "two sides to the story". They discriminated, and deserve to be shut down.

"No shirt, no shoes, no service"

even poor people own shoes

So you're saying that discrimination is sometimes ok?

no, how about you learn to read

How about you look up the word "discrimination" and tell me if it still counts if poor people are capable of meeting a qualification.
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Rika_Furude
09/08/17 10:45:07 PM
#76:


Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. End of story. There are no "two sides to the story". They discriminated, and deserve to be shut down.

"No shirt, no shoes, no service"

even poor people own shoes

So you're saying that discrimination is sometimes ok?

no, how about you learn to read

How about you look up the word "discrimination" and tell me if it still counts if poor people are capable of meeting a qualification.

you're still doing an extremely poor job at explaining how "no shoes" is discrimination. its not my job to do your research for you. provide your evidence itt or piss off
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Mal_Fet
09/08/17 10:46:52 PM
#77:


Rika_Furude posted...
you're still doing an extremely poor job at explaining how "no shoes" is discrimination.

It literally is.

Go back to grade school, pls.
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JcOpIVY86
09/08/17 10:48:02 PM
#78:


I agree, let them discriminate.
Cause they'll be boycotted, shamed, and put out of business.

The free market would gobble them up better than the State would.
It would be a massacre.
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Rika_Furude
09/08/17 10:48:34 PM
#79:


Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
you're still doing an extremely poor job at explaining how "no shoes" is discrimination.

It literally is.

Go back to grade school, pls.

Rika_Furude posted...
its not my job to do your research for you. provide your evidence itt or piss off

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Rika_Furude
09/08/17 10:49:18 PM
#80:


JcOpIVY86 posted...
The free market would gobble them up better than the State would.

if the free market had its way, water fountains would be for whites only. a free market requires regulation to remain free for all instead of a subset
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cjsdowg
09/08/17 10:54:01 PM
#81:


He is a racist homophobic bigot , why wouldn't he.
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Mal_Fet
09/08/17 10:56:18 PM
#82:


Rika_Furude posted...
its not my job to do your research for you. provide your evidence itt or piss off

Dictionary.com

^ There ya go, sport.

Rika_Furude posted...
JcOpIVY86 posted...
The free market would gobble them up better than the State would.

if the free market had its way, water fountains would be for whites only. a free market requires regulation to remain free for all instead of a subset

Jim Crow was instated by the government, not by businesses.

So looks like you agree that the government needs to stay out of the private sector!
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1NfamousACE_2
09/08/17 10:56:24 PM
#83:


Don't discriminate next time

Just fuck up the cake
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Rika_Furude
09/08/17 10:57:37 PM
#84:


Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
its not my job to do your research for you. provide your evidence itt or piss off

Dictionary.com

^ There ya go, sport.

clicked it, didn't see any relevant studies on how "no shoes" is discriminatory. try again
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Mal_Fet
09/08/17 10:59:43 PM
#85:


Rika_Furude posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
its not my job to do your research for you. provide your evidence itt or piss off

Dictionary.com

^ There ya go, sport.

clicked it, didn't see any relevant studies on how "no shoes" is discriminatory. try again

Do you also have your mommy dress you in the morning? You seem to be the needy type.

Discriminate: to make or constitute a distinction in or between
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Rika_Furude
09/08/17 11:03:12 PM
#86:


Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
its not my job to do your research for you. provide your evidence itt or piss off

Dictionary.com

^ There ya go, sport.

clicked it, didn't see any relevant studies on how "no shoes" is discriminatory. try again

Do you also have your mommy dress you in the morning? You seem to be the needy type.

Discriminate: to make or constitute a distinction in or between

ctrl-f "no shoes", no results
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DawkinsNumber4
09/08/17 11:04:30 PM
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Mal_Fet
09/08/17 11:16:03 PM
#88:


Rika_Furude posted...
ctrl-f "no shoes", no results

Woooow...
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metralo
09/08/17 11:17:04 PM
#89:


Yes, F*** the law. Businesses should have a right to deny service to anybody whether it's race, orientation etc..

100% anyone voting for this would pitch a fucking fit if a company refused to serve to white people
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Mal_Fet
09/08/17 11:17:59 PM
#90:


metralo posted...
Yes, F*** the law. Businesses should have a right to deny service to anybody whether it's race, orientation etc..

100% anyone voting for this would pitch a fucking fit if a company refused to serve to white people

No I wouldn't. I would just not go there.

Why would I want to eat at a place like that anyway?
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Squidkids
09/08/17 11:19:23 PM
#91:


Mal_Fet posted...
Squidkids posted...
-Gavirulax- posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
Just get a cake from another shop?


Logic detected.

no it is not, logic would tell people stop with this BS ("christian bakers") to stir up trouble.

It is the same as doing this:
https://youtu.be/pZemm35fqYA?t=53
(christian bakers would be the purple, and orange is US courts, as to why I am showing this, the answer is at the end)

It is against the law, it is against christian beliefs to pull this to begin with, it is just trying stir up drama.

I have no idea what this anime crap is supposed to mean.

reading helps
-Gavirulax- posted...


Splatoon, from the 2 seconds I did watch while clicking out of the window - in any event, I'm not the slightest bit interested - beyond trying to force people to agree with you (which won't create animosity), it's utterly pointless. Very easy solution to this.

Edit: When I say I don't care, I mean I don't care what happens here, meaning if the business sinks - whatever, or if they win whatever point they're trying to make, whatever again.

Translation : "My agurment got owned so I am going to pretend not to care and leave this red herring"

Same for you , read the bold, reading helps. there is a point to it. That is what the Christian bakers are doing. They know the appeal and court case will fail but they keep doing it anyway. It is not "logic detected" If you are discriminated, you have a right to press a case^^
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Mal_Fet
09/08/17 11:21:00 PM
#92:


Squidkids posted...
reading helps

What am I supposed to read, I have no idea what's happening in the video and I don't care enough about your dumb analogy to research it.

How about you articulate your thoughts with words instead of with vidya
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Rika_Furude
09/08/17 11:25:29 PM
#94:


Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
ctrl-f "no shoes", no results

Woooow...

so are you going to provide evidence to back up your claims or will you continue to dodge like you always do?
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Squidkids
09/08/17 11:26:48 PM
#95:


Mal_Fet posted...
Squidkids posted...
reading helps

What am I supposed to read, I have no idea what's happening in the video and I don't care enough about your dumb analogy to research it.

How about you articulate your thoughts with words instead of with vidya

Fine since you are lazy:
https://youtu.be/pZemm35fqYA?t=214

It is not hard to understand. I told you read the bold, just go to the end to this time stamp. The opposing team kept doing the same thing, and I kept "killing" (splatting) them over and over, are you telling me you have no knowledge of shooters? I think you are just being lazy and throwing out red herrings, come on now, it isn't hard. So the point is, just like the other team kept doing the same thing over and over and getting owned by me over and over again, that is the same thing christian bakers are doing to the US coarts, why do they keep doing it knowing ill be shot down?

It is also a hypocrite stance, Christianity, people that truly follow it, will know it is against Christianity to take a stance on not severing gay couples.

-Gavirulax- posted...
Squidkids posted...
Translation : "My agurment got owned so I am going to pretend not to care and leave this red herring"


It wasn't an argument, it was "logic detected" you petulant fraud.

countered this statement.
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Squidkids
09/08/17 11:36:51 PM
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-Gavirulax- posted...
Squidkids posted...
Fine since you are lazy:


Lazy because people don't want to watch your shitty videos.

keep up the red herrings i guess
Maybe this is why you are a well known S*** poster, all you do is post S***/ troll, do you ever give your honest feelings?
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Squidkids
09/08/17 11:42:54 PM
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-Gavirulax- posted...
Squidkids posted...
Maybe this is why you are a well known S*** poster, all you do is post S***/ troll, do you ever give your honest feelings?


Very often, tends to be why people dislike me.
Only reason I remember you and your lame "talk to yourself" gimmick is due to tagging you back when you blew it - so disappointing.

I have no gimmick, your gimmick is to be a S*** poster
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Mal_Fet
09/08/17 11:49:31 PM
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Squidkids posted...
It is not hard to understand. I told you read the bold, just go to the end to this time stamp. The opposing team kept doing the same thing, and I kept "killing" (splatting) them over and over, are you telling me you have no knowledge of shooters?

How is that related to the Christian Bakery story...?
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