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TrevorBlack79 09/10/17 8:52:51 PM #202: |
Mal_Fet posted...
What were they fined for, again? Breaking the law. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 09/10/17 9:47:29 PM #203: |
TrevorBlack79 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...What were they fined for, again? Are all laws good? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TrevorBlack79 09/10/17 10:03:43 PM #204: |
Mal_Fet posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...Mal_Fet posted...What were they fined for, again? TrevorBlack79 posted... If you think it's unfair, work to change the law. Good luck with that, though. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 09/10/17 10:31:35 PM #205: |
TrevorBlack79 posted...
If you think it's unfair, work to change the law. Good luck with that, though. So you support the law insofar as it's a law? You can't justify it in any other fashion? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 09/10/17 10:32:12 PM #206: |
Mal_Fet posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...Mal_Fet posted...What were they fined for, again? Discrimination laws are. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TrevorBlack79 09/10/17 10:38:06 PM #207: |
Mal_Fet posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...If you think it's unfair, work to change the law. Good luck with that, though. Discrimination actually harms people. Being required to provide your services equally "harms" discriminatory sensibilities, but not people. For someone who bemoans "hurt feelings" as an argument, you sure are clinging hard to it here. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darmik 09/10/17 10:51:06 PM #208: |
He sells wedding cakes. It shouldn't make a difference to him who it's for unless he only bakes cakes for Christian weddings.
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UnfairRepresent 09/11/17 8:25:47 AM #209: |
Darmik posted...
He sells wedding cakes. It shouldn't make a difference to him who it's for unless he only bakes cakes for Christian weddings. That's your opinion. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rika_Furude 09/11/17 9:40:45 AM #210: |
UnfairRepresent posted...
Darmik posted...He sells wedding cakes. It shouldn't make a difference to him who it's for unless he only bakes cakes for Christian weddings. And the law --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 09/11/17 10:18:25 AM #211: |
Rika_Furude posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...Darmik posted...He sells wedding cakes. It shouldn't make a difference to him who it's for unless he only bakes cakes for Christian weddings. Slavery used to be the law, as did segregation --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 09/11/17 12:10:38 PM #212: |
TrevorBlack79 posted...
Discrimination actually harms people. Being required to provide your services equally "harms" discriminatory sensibilities, but not people. And also the people who are forced to bake cakes at gunpoint because of muh feels. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TrevorBlack79 09/11/17 1:09:41 PM #213: |
TrevorBlack79 posted...
Sorry, your absurd strawman will be summarily ignored. No one is forcing anything at gunpoint, but we all know you're incapable of intellectual honesty. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Howl 09/11/17 2:22:27 PM #214: |
hockeybub89 posted...
Do you consider it forced labor at gunpoint that a restaurant can't kick out women or white people without facing legal action? Yes, and no. It's not at gunpoint, but it is forced labor --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Glass_Phantom 09/11/17 2:25:35 PM #215: |
It's sad to see so many people vote in favor of discrimination
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Mal_Fet 09/11/17 3:50:43 PM #216: |
TrevorBlack79 posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...Sorry, your absurd strawman will be summarily ignored. No one is forcing anything at gunpoint, What happens when you ignore a law long enough? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rika_Furude 09/11/17 4:00:24 PM #217: |
UnfairRepresent posted...
Rika_Furude posted...UnfairRepresent posted... And you know what helped end segregation? Anti-discrimination law. Thanks for playing. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TrevorBlack79 09/11/17 4:25:04 PM #218: |
TrevorBlack79 posted...
The same thing that happens to anyone who refuses to pay any legal fine imposed for any legal reason. This is not "being forced at gunpoint to bake a cake," this is "being punished for refusing to pay your fines." We've already been over this, dude. Keep up. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 09/11/17 4:25:30 PM #219: |
Decades if not centuries of intelligent people passionately challenging and not obeying fucking stupid laws. Thats what you oppose --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 09/11/17 4:27:00 PM #220: |
Mal_Fet posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...TrevorBlack79 posted...Sorry, your absurd strawman will be summarily ignored. No one is forcing anything at gunpoint, I mean they have YouTube videos about ridiculous and obsolete laws that are not enforced and/or not followed anymore. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 09/11/17 4:32:28 PM #221: |
Rika_Furude posted...
And you know what helped end segregation? Repealing another law that enforced segregation I bet you'd be one of the guys in the 50's who was like "Tough shit bro, Jim Crow is the law" --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 09/11/17 4:34:23 PM #222: |
TrevorBlack79 posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...The same thing that happens to anyone who refuses to pay any legal fine imposed for any legal reason. This is not "being forced at gunpoint to bake a cake," this is "being punished for refusing to pay your fines." Literally any law can be justified with this logic. "He wasn't beat to death for running away from his slave master, it was because he resisted!" --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TrevorBlack79 09/11/17 4:40:10 PM #223: |
Literally comparing business owners being fined to slaves being murdered. Keep being a garbage human being.
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Mal_Fet 09/11/17 4:42:09 PM #224: |
TrevorBlack79 posted...
Literally comparing business owners to slaves. Keep being a garbage human being. I'll take that as a tacit admission that you can't reconcile how the logic you use to justify forcing bakers to make cakes also justifies slavery laws. Take your L, bro. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 09/11/17 4:50:49 PM #225: |
Mal_Fet posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...Literally comparing business owners to slaves. Keep being a garbage human being. lol what the fuck is THIS based on? :P --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 09/11/17 4:52:59 PM #226: |
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...TrevorBlack79 posted...Literally comparing business owners to slaves. Keep being a garbage human being. "He's not getting beat up for x, he's getting beat up for refusing to comply with the court order for committing x" Replace x with literally any real or imagined crime and you can justify violence for any of them with Trevor's logic. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 09/11/17 4:56:37 PM #227: |
Mal_Fet posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...Mal_Fet posted...TrevorBlack79 posted...Literally comparing business owners to slaves. Keep being a garbage human being. How? By thinking literally all circumstances involving a law are the same and discretion in context doesn't exist? Even if he didn't word it well, it seems like you are blatantly disregarding common sense in an effort to make him look bad and trick other people into agreeing with you. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TrevorBlack79 09/11/17 4:56:57 PM #228: |
Mal_Fet posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...Literally comparing business owners to slaves. Keep being a garbage human being. Nope. See, slavery and discrimination are both immoral. Denying people the right to own human beings as property is just, just as requiring businesses open to the public to actually serve the customers that walk into their store is just. Beyond that, there's no comparison, and I'll take your attempts to draw the comparison as a tacit admission that you don't have a valid argument. The L is yours. Own it. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 09/11/17 5:01:35 PM #229: |
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
How? By thinking literally all circumstances involving a law are the same and discretion in context doesn't exist? Trevor is desperately trying to ignore the reality that all laws are backed up by violence so that he doesn't have to admit he's a bad person for wanting to force people to bake cakes at gunpoint. Unless you can name me a law that is not ultimately backed up by a threat of violence? TrevorBlack79 posted... See, slavery and discrimination are both immoral. So is forcing people to bake cakes at gunpoint, which is what the law as it stands does. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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literal_garbage 09/11/17 5:02:55 PM #230: |
Laws are inherently immoral and should be done away with completely
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TrevorBlack79 09/11/17 5:03:20 PM #231: |
Mal_Fet posted...
So is forcing people to bake cakes at gunpoint, which is what the law as it stands does. Objectively wrong. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 09/11/17 5:04:04 PM #232: |
TrevorBlack79 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...So is forcing people to bake cakes at gunpoint, which is what the law as it stands does. Mal_Fet posted...
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TrevorBlack79 09/11/17 5:06:07 PM #234: |
Give me a single example of someone being forced at gunpoint to bake a cake. Just one will suffice. I will close my account if you can do that.
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Mal_Fet 09/11/17 5:08:45 PM #236: |
TrevorBlack79 posted...
Give me a single example of someone being forced at gunpoint to bake a cake. If the bakery refused to comply for the crime of not baking a cake, men with guns would have went to their house and taken them to prison by force. If they resisted long enough, there's a possibility they would be killed. So yes, the law compelling them to bake a cake is in fact backed up by the threat that guns would be used on them if they disobeyed the law. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ModLogic 09/11/17 5:09:12 PM #237: |
27_Sandman_40 posted...
when will people realize that every one of these cases never involves not selling to gay people, it's not making a gay wedding cake in 1 instance you can exploit easy pay out --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TrevorBlack79 09/11/17 5:12:20 PM #239: |
Mal_Fet posted...
If the bakery refused to comply for the crime of not baking a cake, men with guns would have went to their house and taken them to prison by force. No, the bakery is fined. To my knowledge, no one has ever been arrested for refusing service in this manner. Can you show me otherwise? --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 09/11/17 5:15:32 PM #242: |
TrevorBlack79 posted...
No, the bakery is fined. And what if they don't pay --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TrevorBlack79 09/11/17 5:24:57 PM #243: |
I've already answered that question at least twice. I'm not playing this game where you pretend to be stupid.
Now: TrevorBlack79 posted... Give me a single example of someone being forced at gunpoint to bake a cake. Just one will suffice. I will close my account if you can do that. In your next post you will provide the example I asked for. If you can't, it will be construed as an admission that you're wrong. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 09/11/17 5:25:55 PM #244: |
Mal_Fet posted...
TrevorBlack79 posted...Mal_Fet posted...So is forcing people to bake cakes at gunpoint, which is what the law as it stands does. The whole "replace x with" shit is all in YOUR post. It is not even implied in what you quoted from him. YOU made that logic leap and it is flawed. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 09/11/17 5:30:15 PM #245: |
27_Sandman_40 posted...
when will people realize that every one of these cases never involves not selling to gay people, it's not making a gay wedding cake Because sexual orientation is inherent in a person and protected, while political views aren't inherent or protected under the law. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rika_Furude 09/11/17 5:30:54 PM #246: |
UnfairRepresent posted...
No, thats what mal fet opposes. Im in favor of equality for all persons. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 09/11/17 5:40:04 PM #248: |
But the reason for denying the service was because of their orientation
And nondiscrimination and other protections of life and liberty has always beat out religious liberties. Why do you think people aren't allowed to perform ritualistic sacrifices of virgin humans? --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 09/11/17 5:47:19 PM #250: |
Rika_Furude posted...
Im in favor of equality for all persons. Special treatment is the opposite of equality. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 09/11/17 5:52:11 PM #251: |
27_Sandman_40 posted...
gunplagirl posted...But the reason for denying the service was because of their orientation The specific cake was for a gay wedding to which they were opposed. The fact it's a GAY wedding cake makes it clear as day it's because they disapprove of some aspect of gay people. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 09/11/17 6:02:07 PM #252: |
27_Sandman_40 posted...
gunplagirl posted...But the reason for denying the service was because of their orientation It's because they didn't want to put 2 male figurines on the cake. It's trivial and it's petty and crying "but my precious religious views and mental frailty ;_;" as cause for refusing service is an embarrassment to all of humanity. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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