Current Events > Have white people ever been repressed or enslaved or anything of that sort?

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My work is a circle jerk of hating white people. Everyday I listen to 6 white people and an African American (Canadian Jamaican actually tho) talk about how white people are the devil. We should be ashamed to be white. Whites are inherently racist. You can't be racist to white people. And even as far as "he had a reason tho" when we were listening to a podcast about a black serial killer killing white people. It's ridiculous and apparently not racist because white people never were in "trouble".

So has there ever been time in history where white people were fucked? Apart from modern day liberal North America
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"No Irish need apply"

The UK had "No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs" as well.
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Attempt genocide of the Irish was a thing for about 800 years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_slavery
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Also the Vikings raping white women.
Or Nazis
Or Russian in WW2.

Or a lot of things really.

Did America persecute white people? Yup. But we don't like talking about history like that apparently.

egyptians wer slaves
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MachoManSavage posted...

My work is a circle jerk of hating white people. Everyday I listen to 6 white people and an African American (Canadian Jamaican actually tho) talk about how white people are the devil. We should be ashamed to be white. Whites are inherently racist. You can't be racist to white people. And even as far as "he had a reason tho" when we were listening to a podcast about a black serial killer killing white people. It's ridiculous and apparently not racist because white people never were in "trouble".

So has there ever been time in history where white people were fucked? Apart from modern day liberal North America

This happened
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MachoManSavage posted...

My work is a circle jerk of hating white people. Everyday I listen to 6 white people and an African American (Canadian Jamaican actually tho) talk about how white people are the devil. We should be ashamed to be white. Whites are inherently racist. You can't be racist to white people. And even as far as "he had a reason tho" when we were listening to a podcast about a black serial killer killing white people. It's ridiculous and apparently not racist because white people never were in "trouble".

I was there. I saw it happen.
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omega cookie posted...

"No Irish need apply"

The UK had "No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs" as well.

So it wasn't because they were white, it was because they were Irish; a group of people at the time that weren't even considered white at all yet.
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nbda3A4eWFR2 posted...

Also the Vikings raping white women.
Or Nazis
Or Russian in WW2.

Or a lot of things really.

Did America persecute white people? Yup. But we don't like talking about history like that apparently.

The "Vikings raping and pillaging" thing is so off-base. It was spread by Christian groups who tried eradicating the ones who didn't convert and since those ones fought back, well. Christians didn't want to admit they literally started it.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

omega cookie posted...

"No Irish need apply"

The UK had "No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs" as well.

So it wasn't because they were white, it was because they were Irish; a group of people at the time that weren't even considered white at all yet.

OH okay. So black people aren't victims because it's not about being black, it's about not having English roots?

my people (sami/Laplander) were enslaved by those dirty swedes in the 1600s
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nbda3A4eWFR2 posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

omega cookie posted...

"No Irish need apply"

The UK had "No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs" as well.

So it wasn't because they were white, it was because they were Irish; a group of people at the time that weren't even considered white at all yet.

OH okay. So black people aren't victims because it's not about being black, it's about not having English roots?

How hurt are your feelings right now?
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A_Good_Boy posted...

So it wasn't because they were white, it was because they were Irish; a group of people at the time that weren't even considered white at all yet.

Yeah. If you're looking for a time when *all* white Americans were repressed you won't find it. "Whites" were created as a group so that all poor Americans of European heritage would band together against minorities or some shit.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

nbda3A4eWFR2 posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

omega cookie posted...

"No Irish need apply"

The UK had "No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs" as well.

So it wasn't because they were white, it was because they were Irish; a group of people at the time that weren't even considered white at all yet.

OH okay. So black people aren't victims because it's not about being black, it's about not having English roots?

How hurt are your feelings right now?

I just like seeing good boys like yourself try to troll and fail

That_Happened posted...

Yeah. If you're looking for a time when *all* white Americans were repressed you won't find it.

British vs America, done.

White farmers in Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe, I suppose is pretty direct black on white racism.

nbda3A4eWFR2 posted...

British vs America, done.

Wasn't because they were white. Like, how is this so hard for you?
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Zodd3224 posted...

MachoManSavage posted...

My work is a circle jerk of hating white people. Everyday I listen to 6 white people and an African American (Canadian Jamaican actually tho) talk about how white people are the devil. We should be ashamed to be white. Whites are inherently racist. You can't be racist to white people. And even as far as "he had a reason tho" when we were listening to a podcast about a black serial killer killing white people. It's ridiculous and apparently not racist because white people never were in "trouble".

So has there ever been time in history where white people were fucked? Apart from modern day liberal North America

This happened

Lol you've never been in liberal Toronto.

It's like watching feminist YouTube videos. But real life. It's scary how shit this city has become in that regard. Pretty sure it's a crime to call someone by the wrong pronoun now. This shit is real. I envy you if you live somewhere sane, like Southern US.

And thanks for filling me in guys. I'm definitely not going to stand up for white people, because that's social suicide. I've been called a Nazi for disagreeing with black extremist groups. That was enough for me. But good to know.
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nbda3A4eWFR2 posted...

British vs America, done.

And I'm sure if you want to argue about how the British have negatively affected us as a country you'd be free to do so.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

omega cookie posted...

"No Irish need apply"

The UK had "No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs" as well.

So it wasn't because they were white, it was because they were Irish; a group of people at the time that weren't even considered white at all yet.

Oh my. I know I'm replying to a baby account, likely a trolling alt, but I'll go ahead and field this one.

If, by your logic, you can't count discrimination against the Irish as discrimination against whites because they weren't considered to be white, you can't count slavery as discrimination against blacks because they weren't considered people. Can't discriminate against things.

Your argument is a bad one.
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MachoManSavage posted...

I envy you if you live somewhere sane, like Southern US.

HAHA, one step too far to make the trolling obvious. But it was a good topic at first.
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Sherman and Grant basically nuked the south from Vicksburg to Savannah. Southern whites could not vote.
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omega cookie posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

omega cookie posted...

"No Irish need apply"

The UK had "No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs" as well.

So it wasn't because they were white, it was because they were Irish; a group of people at the time that weren't even considered white at all yet.

Oh my. I know I'm replying to a baby account, likely a trolling alt, but I'll go ahead and field this one.

If, by your logic, you can't count discrimination against the Irish as discrimination against whites because they weren't considered to be white, you can't count slavery as discrimination against blacks because they weren't considered people. Can't discriminate against things.

Your argument is a bad one.

They were considered people, just an inferior. One of the arguments used to justify their enslavement was that doing so was meant to bring them closer to God. You can convert people but you can't convert an object.
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That_Happened posted...

MachoManSavage posted...

I envy you if you live somewhere sane, like Southern US.

HAHA, one step too far to make the trolling obvious. But it was a good topic at first.

Nope. I love Toronto for everything but the social climate.

I used to be very liberal. I would scoff at Southern states. But things have gotten so extreme that I'm definitely leaning right. Survival of the fittest. I won't hate myself for my skin color, my orientation or my dick.
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MachoManSavage posted...

I used to be very liberal.

Sure you were.

MachoManSavage posted...

Survival of the fittest. I won't hate myself for my skin color, my orientation or my dick.

You're so brave.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

omega cookie posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

omega cookie posted...

"No Irish need apply"

The UK had "No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs" as well.

So it wasn't because they were white, it was because they were Irish; a group of people at the time that weren't even considered white at all yet.

Oh my. I know I'm replying to a baby account, likely a trolling alt, but I'll go ahead and field this one.

If, by your logic, you can't count discrimination against the Irish as discrimination against whites because they weren't considered to be white, you can't count slavery as discrimination against blacks because they weren't considered people. Can't discriminate against things.

Your argument is a bad one.

They were considered people, just an inferior. One of the arguments used to justify their enslavement was that doing so was meant to bring them closer to God. You can convert people but you can't convert an object.

...You know, I'll just bow out of this one. If you want to exclude the Irish, that's your choice. I don't agree, but life would be boring if we all agreed.

That, and there is a shit flinging match going on, so this topic is likely about to go sideways.
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omega cookie posted...

If you want to exclude the Irish,

He's not excluding the Irish. He's saying that it was discrimination against a small pocket of Europeans that weren't considered white at the time. There was never a time in American history where all whites as a group (Irish, Italian, Polish, German, English, French, and so on) were discriminated against under the umbrella of "white people." There were times when some of those European groups were terrible to others, but that was more specific.
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There has never been a king or queen of England that came from England.
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Yes

By other white people. Maybe Moors too, idk
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MachoManSavage posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

MachoManSavage posted...

My work is a circle jerk of hating white people. Everyday I listen to 6 white people and an African American (Canadian Jamaican actually tho) talk about how white people are the devil. We should be ashamed to be white. Whites are inherently racist. You can't be racist to white people. And even as far as "he had a reason tho" when we were listening to a podcast about a black serial killer killing white people. It's ridiculous and apparently not racist because white people never were in "trouble".

So has there ever been time in history where white people were fucked? Apart from modern day liberal North America

This happened

Lol you've never been in liberal Toronto.

It's like watching feminist YouTube videos. But real life. It's scary how shit this city has become in that regard. Pretty sure it's a crime to call someone by the wrong pronoun now. This shit is real. I envy you if you live somewhere sane, like Southern US.

And thanks for filling me in guys. I'm definitely not going to stand up for white people, because that's social suicide. I've been called a Nazi for disagreeing with black extremist groups. That was enough for me. But good to know.

Southern US is sane? I live near Boston, prefectly sane. Never seen or heard anything like this.
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That_Happened posted...

omega cookie posted...

If you want to exclude the Irish,

He's not excluding the Irish. He's saying that it was discrimination against a small pocket of Europeans that weren't considered white at the time. There was never a time in American history where all whites as a group (Irish, Italian, Polish, German, English, French, and so on) were discriminated against under the umbrella of "white people." There were times when some of those European groups were terrible to others, but that was more specific.

How about not being able to vote? Yes southern white men could not vote at one time. Think about it.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

omega cookie posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

omega cookie posted...

"No Irish need apply"

The UK had "No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs" as well.

So it wasn't because they were white, it was because they were Irish; a group of people at the time that weren't even considered white at all yet.

Oh my. I know I'm replying to a baby account, likely a trolling alt, but I'll go ahead and field this one.

If, by your logic, you can't count discrimination against the Irish as discrimination against whites because they weren't considered to be white, you can't count slavery as discrimination against blacks because they weren't considered people. Can't discriminate against things.

Your argument is a bad one.

They were considered people, just an inferior. One of the arguments used to justify their enslavement was that doing so was meant to bring them closer to God. You can convert people but you can't convert an object.

No, they weren't. Slaves were literally property.
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omega cookie posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

omega cookie posted...

"No Irish need apply"

The UK had "No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs" as well.

So it wasn't because they were white, it was because they were Irish; a group of people at the time that weren't even considered white at all yet.

Oh my. I know I'm replying to a baby account, likely a trolling alt, but I'll go ahead and field this one.

If, by your logic, you can't count discrimination against the Irish as discrimination against whites because they weren't considered to be white, you can't count slavery as discrimination against blacks because they weren't considered people. Can't discriminate against things.

Your argument is a bad one.

So you're just conveniently ignoring the entire period of time they've been considered human and US citizens *cough* entire civil rights struggle *cough*
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Affirmative action

There's no argument about that one.
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--kresnik-- posted...

Affirmative action

There's no argument about that one.

You hired the black guy if both are qualified.
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The answer is tes tc, but anyone would be quite silly to try to argue equivalency in the slavery of black peopoe and the slavery of white people in america. In fact it would be an irrelevant point to even bring up. The two are hardly comparable overall.

That_Happened posted...

omega cookie posted...

If you want to exclude the Irish,

He's not excluding the Irish. He's saying that it was discrimination against a small pocket of Europeans that weren't considered white at the time. There was never a time in American history where all whites as a group (Irish, Italian, Polish, German, English, French, and so on) were discriminated against under the umbrella of "white people." There were times when some of those European groups were terrible to others, but that was more specific.

Ah, wait, I think I get it. I'm talking about times when certain white people were discriminated against, and you guys are talking about white people as a whole group.

Fair enough. Yeah, I don't think that has ever happened.
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was going to say the irish but i guess that doesnt count apparently
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in the first century CE the Romans attempted and pretty well succeeded in their genocide of the white tribal peoples of France and Britain, enslaving tens of thousands and killing and destroying the lives of millions

But I guess the Romans were only slightly less white than the Gauls
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--kresnik-- posted...

Affirmative action

There's no argument about that one.

That's making things be on even footing for minorities. It isn't discrimination against white people.
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--kresnik-- posted...

Affirmative action

There's no argument about that one.

except that white women have benefitted the most from AA.
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Colorahdo posted...

in the first century CE the Romans attempted and pretty well succeeded in their genocide of the white tribal peoples of France and Britain, enslaving tens of thousands and killing and destroying the lives of millions

But I guess the Romans were only slightly less white than the Gauls

Doesn't really count since it wasn't on the premise of them being white, but instead as attempts to acquire land by the Romans.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

Which... really just puts more merit into "white people are the devil" argument, tbh.
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gunplagirl posted...

omega cookie posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

omega cookie posted...

"No Irish need apply"

The UK had "No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs" as well.

So it wasn't because they were white, it was because they were Irish; a group of people at the time that weren't even considered white at all yet.

Oh my. I know I'm replying to a baby account, likely a trolling alt, but I'll go ahead and field this one.

If, by your logic, you can't count discrimination against the Irish as discrimination against whites because they weren't considered to be white, you can't count slavery as discrimination against blacks because they weren't considered people. Can't discriminate against things.

Your argument is a bad one.

So you're just conveniently ignoring the entire period of time they've been considered human and US citizens *cough* entire civil rights struggle *cough*

That wasn't the point I was making. I was only talking about ignoring slavery if we were to ignore the treatment of the Irish. I mean, obviously blacks have been discriminated against, and I can't really imagine how you would argue against that.

Either way though, it was a misunderstanding on my part.
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like someone said - Zimbabwe.

but that's a result of previous oppression of black people.

but that revenge stuff ended up hurting the country, IIRC.
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gunplagirl posted...

Colorahdo posted...

in the first century CE the Romans attempted and pretty well succeeded in their genocide of the white tribal peoples of France and Britain, enslaving tens of thousands and killing and destroying the lives of millions

But I guess the Romans were only slightly less white than the Gauls

Doesn't really count since it wasn't on the premise of them being white, but instead as attempts to acquire land by the Romans.

Yeah, I thought about the Barbarian conquests, utter destruction that Genghis Khan brought on the world, and even the Persian destruction of 'white' civilizations, but those weren't really about skin color. They were more "They are different than us, and we want their shit".
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The origin of the word slave comes from Slav people that were enslaved in the 9th century by Muslims in Spain.
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omega cookie posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Colorahdo posted...

in the first century CE the Romans attempted and pretty well succeeded in their genocide of the white tribal peoples of France and Britain, enslaving tens of thousands and killing and destroying the lives of millions

But I guess the Romans were only slightly less white than the Gauls

Doesn't really count since it wasn't on the premise of them being white, but instead as attempts to acquire land by the Romans.

Yeah, I thought about the Barbarian conquests, utter destruction that Genghis Khan brought on the world, and even the Persian destruction of 'white' civilizations, but those weren't really about skin color. They were more "They are different than us, and we want their shit".

That's literally all oppression, if you break it down.
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Once upon a time whites were the Africans of their age and Julius let his people collect them as slaves.

I forget when that slave trade ended though. Mongolians were selling whites to italians in the 13/14 century
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