Current Events > Hillary Clinton: It's time to abolish superdelegates

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hortanz
09/14/17 1:59:14 PM
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AlephZero
09/14/17 2:00:06 PM
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ah yes, the electoral college, one of the million things responsible for her loss other than herself
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ChromaticAngel
09/14/17 2:02:06 PM
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AlephZero posted...
ah yes, the electoral college, one of the million things responsible for her loss other than herself

she is by no means new to the list of people calling to end the electoral college.
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EverHeardOfIt
09/14/17 2:05:52 PM
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Actually tho let's abolish the electoral college and superdelegates
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frozenshock
09/14/17 2:06:29 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
AlephZero posted...
ah yes, the electoral college, one of the million things responsible for her loss other than herself

she is by no means new to the list of people calling to end the electoral college.


List which includes Donald Trump in 2012 after Romney lost.
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Butterfiles
09/14/17 2:06:44 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
AlephZero posted...
ah yes, the electoral college, one of the million things responsible for her loss other than herself

she is by no means new to the list of people calling to end the electoral college.

Trump, for starters
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CruelBuffalo
09/14/17 2:08:53 PM
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hortanz posted...
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/13/politics/hillary-clinton-anderson-cooper-electoral-college-cnntv/index.html
just kidding xd

Oh did Bernie lose because of super delegates?

Oh he also had less pledged delegates. Kk
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Antifar
09/14/17 2:09:00 PM
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She is not wrong about the electoral college. It should be done away with; efforts to do away with it should be among the first things Democrats do upon taking power.
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09/14/17 2:09:16 PM
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EverHeardOfIt posted...
Actually tho let's abolish the electoral college and superdelegates

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Caution999
09/14/17 2:09:47 PM
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It's time to abolish your career Hillary
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Anteaterking
09/14/17 2:12:06 PM
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You'd think that Donald Trump becoming president would make superdelegates seem more useful, not less.
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GreatEvilEmpire
09/14/17 2:13:56 PM
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Electoral College prevent that nutcase Hillary Clinton from becoming president. I'd say it's pretty effective.
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Caution999
09/14/17 2:15:20 PM
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Electoral College prevent that nutcase Hillary Clinton from becoming president. I'd say it's pretty effective.


QFT
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NibeIungsnarf
09/14/17 2:17:38 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
AlephZero posted...
ah yes, the electoral college, one of the million things responsible for her loss other than herself

she is by no means new to the list of people calling to end the electoral college.

Sometimes I think it's better to shut the fuck up about something if there is the appearance of you talking about it solely for selfish and political reasons, even if what you're saying isn't half dumb.

Lots of other democrats who can take a stand against the electorial college than the one (or one of the two I guess) who got personally destroyed by it in recent memory.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
09/14/17 2:27:25 PM
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I mean she sucks and is making herself look worse but the electoral college does need to go. A voter in uneducated flyover state USA that is doing their best to tank the economy because my daddy did done grow coal and I can farm it just like pop pop shouldn't have a vote worth more than the people being productive and subsidizing middle America.
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Questionmarktarius
09/14/17 2:30:46 PM
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Antifar posted...
She is not wrong about the electoral college. It should be done away with; efforts to do away with it should be among the first things Democrats do upon taking power.

All you have to do is get 34 states to agree.
Just keep in mind that all you'll accomplish is shifting "red vs blue" to "urban vs everyone else".
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NibeIungsnarf
09/14/17 2:31:58 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Antifar posted...
She is not wrong about the electoral college. It should be done away with; efforts to do away with it should be among the first things Democrats do upon taking power.

All you have to do is get 34 states to agree.

Should be forced to agree at the tip of a gun, honestly.
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CarlGrimes
09/14/17 2:32:20 PM
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
I mean she sucks and is making herself look worse but the electoral college does need to go. A voter in uneducated flyover state USA that is doing their best to tank the economy because my daddy did done grow coal and I can farm it just like pop pop shouldn't have a vote worth more than the people being productive and subsidizing middle America.

Yes, let those liberal bubble cities make choices for the whole country.
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hortanz
09/14/17 2:32:38 PM
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Electoral College prevent that nutcase Hillary Clinton from becoming president. I'd say it's pretty effective.

I don't believe any of this - we are in the information age where every citizen should be able to register over the internet, see the candidates stances and bios at a click (likely giving them the opportunity to make better informed choices than any past voting population), women and minorities could automatically have their votes 'weighted' appropriately to not count quite as much and everyone could cast their vote electronically.

It would be a system that truly represents the entirety of the people without any need to compromise.
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Questionmarktarius
09/14/17 2:32:51 PM
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NibeIungsnarf posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Antifar posted...
She is not wrong about the electoral college. It should be done away with; efforts to do away with it should be among the first things Democrats do upon taking power.

All you have to do is get 34 states to agree.

Should be forced to agree at the tip of a gun, honestly.

You'll have to convince 34 states to get rid of all the guns pointing back, first.
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Questionmarktarius
09/14/17 2:33:56 PM
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hortanz posted...
women and minorities could automatically have their votes 'weighted' appropriately to not count quite as much

...whut?
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CruelBuffalo
09/14/17 2:34:49 PM
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women and minorities could automatically have their votes 'weighted' appropriately to not count quite as much and everyone

Ummmmm elaborate
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Bloodychess
09/14/17 2:35:08 PM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
hortanz posted...
http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/13/politics/hillary-clinton-anderson-cooper-electoral-college-cnntv/index.html
just kidding xd

Oh did Bernie lose because of super delegates?

Oh he also had less pledged delegates. Kk


Are we going to pretend it's not a problem because it doesn't change the outcome?
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Antifar
09/14/17 2:35:49 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
All you have to do is get 34 states to agree.

Not even. The NPVIC could be accomplished with less
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Deadpool_18
09/14/17 2:36:31 PM
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EverHeardOfIt posted...
Actually tho let's abolish the electoral college and superdelegates


We abso-fucking-lutely should.
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Antifar
09/14/17 2:36:58 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Just keep in mind that all you'll accomplish is shifting "red vs blue" to "urban vs everyone else".

The problem is not that the EC creates divides, any electoral system must. The problem is that it doesn't weight votes equally.
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A_Good_Boy
09/14/17 2:37:06 PM
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CarlGrimes posted...
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
I mean she sucks and is making herself look worse but the electoral college does need to go. A voter in uneducated flyover state USA that is doing their best to tank the economy because my daddy did done grow coal and I can farm it just like pop pop shouldn't have a vote worth more than the people being productive and subsidizing middle America.

Yes, let those liberal bubble cities make choices for the whole country.

Those liberal bubbles contain a majority of the population. Why should their votes be diminished just to empower empty farmland?
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Santorin
09/14/17 2:38:25 PM
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CarlGrimes posted...
Yes, let those liberal bubble cities make choices for the whole country.


Exactly.

This is why the EC matters.
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CruelBuffalo
09/14/17 2:39:37 PM
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Santorin posted...
CarlGrimes posted...
Yes, let those liberal bubble cities make choices for the whole country.


Exactly.

This is why the EC matters.


So population centers shouldn't matter where most of the economy and job growth come from them?
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SwordMaster13X
09/14/17 2:40:15 PM
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Antifar
09/14/17 2:41:20 PM
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Define bubble. What is it that makes NYC a bubble and Wyoming not?
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Santorin
09/14/17 2:41:22 PM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
Santorin posted...
CarlGrimes posted...
Yes, let those liberal bubble cities make choices for the whole country.


Exactly.

This is why the EC matters.


So population centers shouldn't matter where most of the economy and job growth come from them?


You act like these higher population states don't get more electoral votes
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Tmaster148
09/14/17 2:42:15 PM
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Santorin posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
Santorin posted...
CarlGrimes posted...
Yes, let those liberal bubble cities make choices for the whole country.


Exactly.

This is why the EC matters.


So population centers shouldn't matter where most of the economy and job growth come from them?


You act like these higher population states don't get more electoral votes


Getting more electoral votes doesn't mean much when they get less electoral votes per population than smaller states.
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Santorin
09/14/17 2:42:25 PM
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Antifar posted...
Define bubble. What is it that makes NYC a bubble and Wyoming not?


NY 19.75 million population (2016)

WY 585,501 population (2016)
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CruelBuffalo
09/14/17 2:42:35 PM
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Santorin posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
Santorin posted...
CarlGrimes posted...
Yes, let those liberal bubble cities make choices for the whole country.


Exactly.

This is why the EC matters.


So population centers shouldn't matter where most of the economy and job growth come from them?


You act like these higher population states don't get more electoral votes


They're still diluted and votes count less in these states compared to Wyoming
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Antifar
09/14/17 2:42:39 PM
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Santorin posted...

You act like these higher population states don't get more electoral votes

They do, but it is not proportional. California has far more than 55/3 of Wyoming's population
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Santorin
09/14/17 2:43:24 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
Santorin posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
Santorin posted...
CarlGrimes posted...
Yes, let those liberal bubble cities make choices for the whole country.


Exactly.

This is why the EC matters.


So population centers shouldn't matter where most of the economy and job growth come from them?


You act like these higher population states don't get more electoral votes


Getting more electoral votes doesn't mean much when they get less electoral votes per population than smaller states.


Don't worry your precious party will be in control again soon enough. It goes back and forth and always will.
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A_Good_Boy
09/14/17 2:43:49 PM
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Santorin posted...
Antifar posted...
Define bubble. What is it that makes NYC a bubble and Wyoming not?


NY 19.75 million population (2016)

WY 585,501 population (2016)

That doesn't answer the question.
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09/14/17 2:43:58 PM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
Santorin posted...
CarlGrimes posted...
Yes, let those liberal bubble cities make choices for the whole country.


Exactly.

This is why the EC matters.


So population centers shouldn't matter where most of the economy and job growth come from them?

They tend to be SJW liberals, it's best that they matter less when it comes to the electoral system.
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Santorin
09/14/17 2:44:08 PM
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Antifar posted...
They do, but it is not proportional. California has far more than 55/3 of Wyoming's population


Exactly both our points.

You think California should decide for the whole country.

I think they should not.
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Tmaster148
09/14/17 2:44:27 PM
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Santorin posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Santorin posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
Santorin posted...
CarlGrimes posted...
Yes, let those liberal bubble cities make choices for the whole country.


Exactly.

This is why the EC matters.


So population centers shouldn't matter where most of the economy and job growth come from them?


You act like these higher population states don't get more electoral votes


Getting more electoral votes doesn't mean much when they get less electoral votes per population than smaller states.


Don't worry your precious party will be in control again soon enough. It goes back and forth and always will.


Why are you assuming I'm a democrat?
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A_Good_Boy
09/14/17 2:44:51 PM
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Santorin posted...
Antifar posted...
They do, but it is not proportional. California has far more than 55/3 of Wyoming's population


Exaclty both our points.

You think California should decide for the whole country.

I think they should not.

Why do you think California's population shouldn't matter in relation to Wyomings?
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Antifar
09/14/17 2:44:52 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Santorin posted...
Antifar posted...
Define bubble. What is it that makes NYC a bubble and Wyoming not?


NY 19.75 million population (2016)

WY 585,501 population (2016)

That doesn't answer the question.

No it doesn't. If anything, I'd think the place with fewer people would be more bubbly
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Balrog0
09/14/17 2:45:07 PM
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Antifar posted...
Santorin posted...

You act like these higher population states don't get more electoral votes

They do, but it is not proportional. California has far more than 55/3 of Wyoming's population


roughly 4 times that many to be precise

unless my calculations are off
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Antifar
09/14/17 2:46:03 PM
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Santorin posted...
You think California should decide for the whole country.

I think they should not.

California cannot decide for the country. If every man woman and child in the state voted, you'd have like 30% of the electorate.
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Questionmarktarius
09/14/17 2:46:11 PM
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Antifar posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Just keep in mind that all you'll accomplish is shifting "red vs blue" to "urban vs everyone else".

The problem is not that the EC creates divides, any electoral system must. The problem is that it doesn't weight votes equally.

Because, as we all know, Wyoming has been a swing state in more than zero elections.

The unspoken plan behind abolishing the electoral process is to go ahead and let California and New York dictate the rest of the nation. The part that's missed, is that disenfranchised republican voters in those states would no longer be trampled into irrelevance.
As is, 100% of California's votes go to the democratic candidate, give or take 80 and 84. Abolish the electoral college, and maybe 70% of California's votes will continue to do so, probably less.
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Balrog0
09/14/17 2:48:22 PM
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Antifar posted...
Who is disenfranchised in a system where everyone's vote counts the same?

Compare to a system where they simply do not.


he's saying the current system disenfranchises GOP voters in California
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Antifar
09/14/17 2:49:01 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
As is, 100% of California's votes go to the democratic candidate, give or take 80 and 84. Abolish the electoral college, and maybe 70% of California's votes will continue to do so, probably less.

Good! This is absolutely a good thing, which allows results to better reflect the popular opinion.
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Balrog0
09/14/17 2:49:18 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
As is, 100% of California's votes go to the democratic candidate, give or take 80 and 84. Abolish the electoral college, and maybe 70% of California's votes will continue to do so, probably less.


GOP candidates regularly get more than that, so definitely less. Trump did better than that.
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Questionmarktarius
09/14/17 2:49:30 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
Antifar posted...
Who is disenfranchised in a system where everyone's vote counts the same?

Compare to a system where they simply do not.


he's saying the current system disenfranchises GOP voters in California

Anti seems to assume I actually care either way. All I'm doing is attempting to explain what happens when a popular system is adopted.
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