Current Events > Hillary Clinton: It's time to abolish superdelegates

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Antifar 09/14/17 2:49:56 PM #52:	Balrog0 posted... Antifar posted... Who is disenfranchised in a system where everyone's vote counts the same? Compare to a system where they simply do not. he's saying the current system disenfranchises GOP voters in California I reread, and yeah, he's correct about that. One more reason to change it. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:886598066] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Who is disenfranchised in a system where everyone's vote counts the same? Compare to a system where they simply do not.</quote> he's saying the current system disenfranchises GOP voters in California</quote> I reread, and yeah, he's correct about that. One more reason to change it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cj_WlLL_VVlN 09/14/17 2:53:12 PM #53:	CarlGrimes posted... Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted... I mean she sucks and is making herself look worse but the electoral college does need to go. A voter in uneducated flyover state USA that is doing their best to tank the economy because my daddy did done grow coal and I can farm it just like pop pop shouldn't have a vote worth more than the people being productive and subsidizing middle America. Yes, let those liberal bubble cities make choices for the whole country. No. Let one person be one vote. It's ridiculous that coal played any part in the election. Coal is dead and never coming back, but we're getting away from renewable energy because these people have a vote worth double many others and refuse to adapt. Or the fact that middle America can't compete in farming and live off government subsidies. These same people that talk about capitalism and evil socialism are the most socialist people in the country. Basically these people dragging the economy backwards are getting voting power beyond the liberal bubbles that are driving the economy and subsidizing these hypocrites that can't actually compete without sucking from the government teet. Were being held hostage by people to stupid or to stubborn to recognized the world's changed and adapt. --- The gamefaqs moderation team knows dogs capable of being offended, cant laugh at a joke, and like to punish jokes that are acceptable on prime time TV pg shows. <cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted [p:886598256] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>CarlGrimes posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...</cite> <quote>I mean she sucks and is making herself look worse but the electoral college does need to go. A voter in uneducated flyover state USA that is doing their best to tank the economy because my daddy did done grow coal and I can farm it just like pop pop shouldn't have a vote worth more than the people being productive and subsidizing middle America.</quote> Yes, let those liberal bubble cities make choices for the whole country.</quote> No. Let one person be one vote. It's ridiculous that coal played any part in the election. Coal is dead and never coming back, but we're getting away from renewable energy because these people have a vote worth double many others and refuse to adapt. Or the fact that middle America can't compete in farming and live off government subsidies. These same people that talk about capitalism and evil socialism are the most socialist people in the country. Basically these people dragging the economy backwards are getting voting power beyond the liberal bubbles that are driving the economy and subsidizing these hypocrites that can't actually compete without sucking from the government teet. Were being held hostage by people to stupid or to stubborn to recognized the world's changed and adapt.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lilJoe457 09/14/17 2:53:39 PM #54:	I'm not interested in New York and LA deciding elections. Agenda 21 baybeeee. --- Breakin' necks and cashin' cheques. <cite>lilJoe457 posted [p:886598281] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote>I'm not interested in New York and LA deciding elections. Agenda 21 baybeeee.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/14/17 2:55:06 PM #55:	Balrog0 posted... GOP candidates regularly get more than that, so definitely less. Trump did better than that. 70% is a guess, and not a very good one. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:886598370] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>GOP candidates regularly get more than that, so definitely less. Trump did better than that.</quote> 70% is a guess, and not a very good one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cj_WlLL_VVlN 09/14/17 3:22:33 PM #56:	lilJoe457 posted... I'm not interested in New York and LA deciding elections. Agenda 21 baybeeee. While that wouldn't happen in your theoretical world at least democracy is real and the socialists in middle America holding us hostage. --- The gamefaqs moderation team knows dogs capable of being offended, cant laugh at a joke, and like to punish jokes that are acceptable on prime time TV pg shows. <cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted [p:886599976] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>lilJoe457 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not interested in New York and LA deciding elections. Agenda 21 baybeeee.</quote> While that wouldn't happen in your theoretical world at least democracy is real and the socialists in middle America holding us hostage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/14/17 3:33:26 PM #57:	LITERALLY http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/lk5855b1cd.jpg --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:886600633] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote>LITERALLY http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/lk5855b1cd.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Malcolm_Matar 09/14/17 3:37:33 PM #58:	Mal_Fet posted... LITERALLY http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/lk5855b1cd.jpg DUMB https://i.pinimg.com/736x/12/66/69/1266696cae9f28191258cebfdbdcf5d7--friend-costumes-halloween-costume-ideas.jpg <cite>Malcolm_Matar posted [p:886600851] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>LITERALLY http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/lk5855b1cd.jpg</quote> DUMB https://i.pinimg.com/736x/12/66/69/1266696cae9f28191258cebfdbdcf5d7--friend-costumes-halloween-costume-ideas.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caelthus 09/14/17 3:40:40 PM #59:	AlephZero posted... ah yes, the electoral college, one of the million things responsible for her loss other than herself To be fair, on this specific issue, it did actually cost her the victory. If there was no electoral college, hillary would be president. --- http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/3853476/ <cite>Caelthus posted [p:886601055] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlephZero posted...</cite> <quote>ah yes, the electoral college, one of the million things responsible for her loss other than herself</quote> To be fair, on this specific issue, it did actually cost her the victory. If there was no electoral college, hillary would be president.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cj_WlLL_VVlN 09/14/17 3:44:45 PM #60:	Mal_Fet posted... LITERALLY http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/lk5855b1cd.jpg Saying we should fix democracy =/= saying the current results are invalid --- The gamefaqs moderation team knows dogs capable of being offended, cant laugh at a joke, and like to punish jokes that are acceptable on prime time TV pg shows. <cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted [p:886601271] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>LITERALLY http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/lk5855b1cd.jpg</quote> Saying we should fix democracy =/= saying the current results are invalid</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NibeIungsnarf 09/14/17 3:45:13 PM #61:	Caelthus posted... AlephZero posted... ah yes, the electoral college, one of the million things responsible for her loss other than herself To be fair, on this specific issue, it did actually cost her the victory. If there was no electoral college, hillary would be president. You can say that about anything. There is an electorial college and Hillary should have played her campaign to the reality of that. <cite>NibeIungsnarf posted [p:886601295] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caelthus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AlephZero posted...</cite> <quote>ah yes, the electoral college, one of the million things responsible for her loss other than herself</quote> To be fair, on this specific issue, it did actually cost her the victory. If there was no electoral college, hillary would be president.</quote> You can say that about anything. There is an electorial college and Hillary should have played her campaign to the reality of that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hortanz 09/14/17 3:47:32 PM #62:	Please don't humor Mal Fet in my threads thanks --- http://i.imgur.com/JFmtaHB.gif <cite>hortanz posted [p:886601442] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote>Please don't humor Mal Fet in my threads thanks</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
frozenshock 09/14/17 3:52:01 PM #63:	We don't need to do away with electoral college But we DO need to fix the amount of electoral votes each states have to make it more proportional to the population For example, in Wyoming it takes 143k people for 1 electoral vote, while in New York it takes about 500k This is just ridiculous. Some states have way too much electoral votes for their population size --- I don't hate people, people hate me. <cite>frozenshock posted [p:886601686] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote>We don't need to do away with electoral college But we DO need to fix the amount of electoral votes each states have to make it more proportional to the population For example, in Wyoming it takes 143k people for 1 electoral vote, while in New York it takes about 500k This is just ridiculous. Some states have way too much electoral votes for their population size</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 09/14/17 3:54:08 PM #64:	Antifar posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Just keep in mind that all you'll accomplish is shifting "red vs blue" to "urban vs everyone else". The problem is not that the EC creates divides, any electoral system must. The problem is that it doesn't weight votes equally. Which is why a better idea would be to change the number of EV per state so that they're equal amongst all states for population, and get rid of 'winner take all.' Give the winner of a state an extra point, too, so that rural areas aren't ignored. Hillary don't like it, though, because she still would lose. Maybe she should have actually visited states like Wisconsin. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:886601796] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Just keep in mind that all you'll accomplish is shifting "red vs blue" to "urban vs everyone else". </quote> The problem is not that the EC creates divides, any electoral system must. The problem is that it doesn't weight votes equally.</quote> Which is why a better idea would be to change the number of EV per state so that they're equal amongst all states for population, and get rid of 'winner take all.' Give the winner of a state an extra point, too, so that rural areas aren't ignored. Hillary don't like it, though, because she still would lose. Maybe she should have actually visited states like Wisconsin.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 09/14/17 3:56:42 PM #66:	frozenshock posted... We don't need to do away with electoral college But we DO need to fix the amount of electoral votes each states have to make it more proportional to the population For example, in Wyoming it takes 143k people for 1 electoral vote, while in New York it takes about 500k This is just ridiculous. Some states have way too much electoral votes for their population size You would have to keep increasing the total number of ECs in order to keep things fair and really it would just be less of a headache to remove the system and stick to popular vote instead of continually supporting an outdated voting system. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:886601929] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>frozenshock posted...</cite> <quote>We don't need to do away with electoral college But we DO need to fix the amount of electoral votes each states have to make it more proportional to the population For example, in Wyoming it takes 143k people for 1 electoral vote, while in New York it takes about 500k This is just ridiculous. Some states have way too much electoral votes for their population size</quote> You would have to keep increasing the total number of ECs in order to keep things fair and really it would just be less of a headache to remove the system and stick to popular vote instead of continually supporting an outdated voting system.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NibeIungsnarf 09/14/17 3:57:26 PM #67:	frozenshock posted... We don't need to do away with electoral college But we DO need to fix the amount of electoral votes each states have to make it more proportional to the population For example, in Wyoming it takes 143k people for 1 electoral vote, while in New York it takes about 500k This is just ridiculous. Some states have way too much electoral votes for their population size That seems really stupid. Means you'd have to fix the EC every few decades as populations change and obviously the party who benefit from the previous population demographics would not be keen on changing them. <cite>NibeIungsnarf posted [p:886601971] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>frozenshock posted...</cite> <quote>We don't need to do away with electoral college But we DO need to fix the amount of electoral votes each states have to make it more proportional to the population For example, in Wyoming it takes 143k people for 1 electoral vote, while in New York it takes about 500k This is just ridiculous. Some states have way too much electoral votes for their population size</quote> That seems really stupid. Means you'd have to fix the EC every few decades as populations change and obviously the party who benefit from the previous population demographics would not be keen on changing them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NibeIungsnarf 09/14/17 3:59:25 PM #68:	darkjedilink posted... Antifar posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Just keep in mind that all you'll accomplish is shifting "red vs blue" to "urban vs everyone else". The problem is not that the EC creates divides, any electoral system must. The problem is that it doesn't weight votes equally. Which is why a better idea would be to change the number of EV per state so that they're equal amongst all states for population, and get rid of 'winner take all.' Give the winner of a state an extra point, too, so that rural areas aren't ignored. Hillary don't like it, though, because she still would lose. Maybe she should have actually visited states like Wisconsin. How would she have lost without the winner takes all system and proportional EVs if she got 2 mil more votes than Donny Boy? <cite>NibeIungsnarf posted [p:886602058] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Just keep in mind that all you'll accomplish is shifting "red vs blue" to "urban vs everyone else". </quote> The problem is not that the EC creates divides, any electoral system must. The problem is that it doesn't weight votes equally.</quote> Which is why a better idea would be to change the number of EV per state so that they're equal amongst all states for population, and get rid of 'winner take all.' Give the winner of a state an extra point, too, so that rural areas aren't ignored. Hillary don't like it, though, because she still would lose. Maybe she should have actually visited states like Wisconsin.</quote> How would she have lost without the winner takes all system and proportional EVs if she got 2 mil more votes than Donny Boy?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarlGrimes 09/14/17 4:08:18 PM #69:	CruelBuffalo posted... Santorin posted... CarlGrimes posted... Yes, let those liberal bubble cities make choices for the whole country. Exactly. This is why the EC matters. So population centers shouldn't matter where most of the economy and job growth come from them? You mean all the rich companies that send jobs overseas? --- You'll get a funeral if you don't wise up and call me....Carl Poppa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9aM9Ch97U8 <cite>CarlGrimes posted [p:886602491] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>CruelBuffalo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Santorin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CarlGrimes posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, let those liberal bubble cities make choices for the whole country.</quote> Exactly. This is why the EC matters.</quote> So population centers shouldn't matter where most of the economy and job growth come from them?</quote> You mean all the rich companies that send jobs overseas?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
frozenshock 09/14/17 4:10:36 PM #70:	Tmaster148 posted... frozenshock posted... We don't need to do away with electoral college But we DO need to fix the amount of electoral votes each states have to make it more proportional to the population For example, in Wyoming it takes 143k people for 1 electoral vote, while in New York it takes about 500k This is just ridiculous. Some states have way too much electoral votes for their population size You would have to keep increasing the total number of ECs in order to keep things fair and really it would just be less of a headache to remove the system and stick to popular vote instead of continually supporting an outdated voting system. The problem is that there is no way the EC system will be abolished. So at least it can be fixed to be more proportionate And the amount of EVs per state is actually being modified every few years, but it doesn't NEARLY make it proportional to population --- I don't hate people, people hate me. <cite>frozenshock posted [p:886602597] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>frozenshock posted...</cite> <quote>We don't need to do away with electoral college But we DO need to fix the amount of electoral votes each states have to make it more proportional to the population For example, in Wyoming it takes 143k people for 1 electoral vote, while in New York it takes about 500k This is just ridiculous. Some states have way too much electoral votes for their population size</quote> You would have to keep increasing the total number of ECs in order to keep things fair and really it would just be less of a headache to remove the system and stick to popular vote instead of continually supporting an outdated voting system.</quote> The problem is that there is no way the EC system will be abolished. So at least it can be fixed to be more proportionate And the amount of EVs per state is actually being modified every few years, but it doesn't NEARLY make it proportional to population</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/14/17 4:22:39 PM #71:	NibeIungsnarf posted... How would she have lost without the winner takes all system and proportional EVs if she got 2 mil more votes than Donny Boy? Chances are very good that there's fewer buried democrat voters in Texas than buried republican voters in California and New York. The electoral system in Article 2 wasn't really created with an intent of a nationwide popular vote for president anyway. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:886603309] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>NibeIungsnarf posted...</cite> <quote>How would she have lost without the winner takes all system and proportional EVs if she got 2 mil more votes than Donny Boy?</quote> Chances are very good that there's fewer buried democrat voters in Texas than buried republican voters in California and New York. The electoral system in Article 2 wasn't really created with an intent of a nationwide popular vote for president anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NibeIungsnarf 09/14/17 4:26:09 PM #72:	Questionmarktarius posted... Chances are very good that there's fewer buried democrat voters in Texas than buried republican voters in California and New York. I imagine theres a lot of "buried" democrat voters in Cali who can't be bothered go vote for Hillary because it's obvious she's going to win the state anyway. <cite>NibeIungsnarf posted [p:886603535] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Chances are very good that there's fewer buried democrat voters in Texas than buried republican voters in California and New York.</quote> I imagine theres a lot of "buried" democrat voters in Cali who can't be bothered go vote for Hillary because it's obvious she's going to win the state anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/14/17 4:29:19 PM #73:	NibeIungsnarf posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Chances are very good that there's fewer buried democrat voters in Texas than buried republican voters in California and New York. I imagine theres a lot of "buried" democrat voters in Cali who can't be bothered go vote for Hillary because it's obvious she's going to win the state anyway. Yes. Switching to a popular vote is going to cause a hell of a lot of voters to suddenly give a damn again. ...maybe. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:886603736] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>NibeIungsnarf posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Chances are very good that there's fewer buried democrat voters in Texas than buried republican voters in California and New York.</quote> I imagine theres a lot of "buried" democrat voters in Cali who can't be bothered go vote for Hillary because it's obvious she's going to win the state anyway.</quote> Yes. Switching to a popular vote is going to cause a hell of a lot of voters to suddenly give a damn again. ...maybe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 09/14/17 4:30:21 PM #74:	Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted... CarlGrimes posted... Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted... I mean she sucks and is making herself look worse but the electoral college does need to go. A voter in uneducated flyover state USA that is doing their best to tank the economy because my daddy did done grow coal and I can farm it just like pop pop shouldn't have a vote worth more than the people being productive and subsidizing middle America. Yes, let those liberal bubble cities make choices for the whole country. No. Let one person be one vote. It's ridiculous that coal played any part in the election. Coal is dead and never coming back, but we're getting away from renewable energy because these people have a vote worth double many others and refuse to adapt. Or the fact that middle America can't compete in farming and live off government subsidies. These same people that talk about capitalism and evil socialism are the most socialist people in the country. Basically these people dragging the economy backwards are getting voting power beyond the liberal bubbles that are driving the economy and subsidizing these hypocrites that can't actually compete without sucking from the government teet. Were being held hostage by people to stupid or to stubborn to recognized the world's changed and adapt. So much fail. It's called 'the breadbasket of America' because they FAIL at farming? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:886603797] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CarlGrimes posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...</cite> <quote>I mean she sucks and is making herself look worse but the electoral college does need to go. A voter in uneducated flyover state USA that is doing their best to tank the economy because my daddy did done grow coal and I can farm it just like pop pop shouldn't have a vote worth more than the people being productive and subsidizing middle America.</quote> Yes, let those liberal bubble cities make choices for the whole country.</quote> No. Let one person be one vote. It's ridiculous that coal played any part in the election. Coal is dead and never coming back, but we're getting away from renewable energy because these people have a vote worth double many others and refuse to adapt. Or the fact that middle America can't compete in farming and live off government subsidies. These same people that talk about capitalism and evil socialism are the most socialist people in the country. Basically these people dragging the economy backwards are getting voting power beyond the liberal bubbles that are driving the economy and subsidizing these hypocrites that can't actually compete without sucking from the government teet. Were being held hostage by people to stupid or to stubborn to recognized the world's changed and adapt.</quote> So much fail. It's called 'the breadbasket of America' because they FAIL at farming?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 09/14/17 4:31:58 PM #75:	NibeIungsnarf posted... darkjedilink posted... Antifar posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Just keep in mind that all you'll accomplish is shifting "red vs blue" to "urban vs everyone else". The problem is not that the EC creates divides, any electoral system must. The problem is that it doesn't weight votes equally. Which is why a better idea would be to change the number of EV per state so that they're equal amongst all states for population, and get rid of 'winner take all.' Give the winner of a state an extra point, too, so that rural areas aren't ignored. Hillary don't like it, though, because she still would lose. Maybe she should have actually visited states like Wisconsin. How would she have lost without the winner takes all system and proportional EVs if she got 2 mil more votes than Donny Boy? Because Trump won more states. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:886603901] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>NibeIungsnarf posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Just keep in mind that all you'll accomplish is shifting "red vs blue" to "urban vs everyone else". </quote> The problem is not that the EC creates divides, any electoral system must. The problem is that it doesn't weight votes equally.</quote> Which is why a better idea would be to change the number of EV per state so that they're equal amongst all states for population, and get rid of 'winner take all.' Give the winner of a state an extra point, too, so that rural areas aren't ignored. Hillary don't like it, though, because she still would lose. Maybe she should have actually visited states like Wisconsin.</quote> How would she have lost without the winner takes all system and proportional EVs if she got 2 mil more votes than Donny Boy?</quote> Because Trump won more states.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NibeIungsnarf 09/14/17 4:34:10 PM #76:	darkjedilink posted... Because Trump won more states. He carried 10 more states than her. With a proportional system how much weight does 10 states carry that they make up for her getting 3 million extra votes? <cite>NibeIungsnarf posted [p:886604027] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Because Trump won more states.</quote> He carried 10 more states than her. With a proportional system how much weight does 10 states carry that they make up for her getting 3 million extra votes?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 09/14/17 4:40:50 PM #77:	Questionmarktarius posted... NibeIungsnarf posted... How would she have lost without the winner takes all system and proportional EVs if she got 2 mil more votes than Donny Boy? Chances are very good that there's fewer buried democrat voters in Texas than buried republican voters in California and New York. The electoral system in Article 2 wasn't really created with an intent of a nationwide popular vote for president anyway. but its proportional every where, and Trump won more states by a closer margin than Clinton I think --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:886604378] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NibeIungsnarf posted...</cite> <quote>How would she have lost without the winner takes all system and proportional EVs if she got 2 mil more votes than Donny Boy?</quote> Chances are very good that there's fewer buried democrat voters in Texas than buried republican voters in California and New York. The electoral system in Article 2 wasn't really created with an intent of a nationwide popular vote for president anyway.</quote> but its proportional every where, and Trump won more states by a closer margin than Clinton I think</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/14/17 4:43:09 PM #78:	Balrog0 posted... but its proportional every where, and Trump won more states by a closer margin than Clinton I think But, the number of "why bother?" non-voters is pretty much unknown, because they didn't bother. All we can do is guess, and look at the actual margins as a somewhat-useful proxy. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:886604510] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>but its proportional every where, and Trump won more states by a closer margin than Clinton I think</quote> But, the number of "why bother?" non-voters is pretty much unknown, because they didn't bother. All we can do is guess, and look at the actual margins as a somewhat-useful proxy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GreatEvilEmpire 09/14/17 4:49:50 PM #79:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygEEL57AcZs --- Sig under construction! <cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted [p:886604876] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygEEL57AcZs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squidkids 09/14/17 4:53:26 PM #80:	This election proves we need superdelegates in the Republican side too, we need protection against people like trump getting in office. https://youtu.be/XtuWiHYmr4U?t=301 The EC though yeah that needs to be done away with --- Be a team player, guard those super jump rings. See a team member inking a wall to swim up on? ink with them. Ink your foes into ash. http://tinyurl.com/z7hbzrr <cite>Squidkids posted [p:886605060] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote>This election proves we need superdelegates in the Republican side too, we need protection against people like trump getting in office. https://youtu.be/XtuWiHYmr4U?t=301 The EC though yeah that needs to be done away with</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 09/14/17 4:54:14 PM #81:	For those saying that the Electoral College is unfair because smaller states have a better population/EV ratio than large states, that's because it's by design due to the Constitution explicitly lumping in an extra 2 votes to match the role of the Senate which exists to equalize the influence of individual states in the federal government so that a small number of very populous states can't force their policies (nor their candidates for that matter) against smaller states with no hope to successfully vote it down. After all, isn't the true example of an unfettered democracy two wolves and a sheep using a simple majority vote to decide what's for dinner? Therefore, isn't it preferable to temper democracy with a more level playing field? --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:886605100] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote>For those saying that the Electoral College is unfair because smaller states have a better population/EV ratio than large states, that's because it's by design due to the Constitution explicitly lumping in an extra 2 votes to match the role of the Senate which exists to equalize the influence of individual states in the federal government so that a small number of very populous states can't force their policies (nor their candidates for that matter) against smaller states with no hope to successfully vote it down. After all, isn't the true example of an unfettered democracy two wolves and a sheep using a simple majority vote to decide what's for dinner? Therefore, isn't it preferable to temper democracy with a more level playing field?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GreatEvilEmpire 09/14/17 5:05:15 PM #82:	Our founding fathers choose a democratic republic over direct democracy, which is what a lot of uneducated people are pushing for. A Democratic Republic is a system designed to protect people from the tyranny of the majority. Direct Democracy is basically 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. Direct Democracy may sound great on paper, but it's fundamentally flawed. Hillary is an idiot. She's still bitter about her defeat, so this is her way of getting back at the system. --- Sig under construction! <cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted [p:886605694] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote>Our founding fathers choose a democratic republic over direct democracy, which is what a lot of uneducated people are pushing for. A Democratic Republic is a system designed to protect people from the tyranny of the majority. Direct Democracy is basically 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. Direct Democracy may sound great on paper, but it's fundamentally flawed. Hillary is an idiot. She's still bitter about her defeat, so this is her way of getting back at the system.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suchomimus 09/14/17 5:27:23 PM #83:	GreatEvilEmpire posted... Our founding fathers choose a democratic republic over direct democracy, which is what a lot of uneducated people are pushing for. A Democratic Republic is a system designed to protect people from the tyranny of the majority. Direct Democracy is basically 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. Direct Democracy may sound great on paper, but it's fundamentally flawed. Hillary is an idiot. She's still bitter about her defeat, so this is her way of getting back at the system. --- I'm a peasant. <cite>Suchomimus posted [p:886606972] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote>Our founding fathers choose a democratic republic over direct democracy, which is what a lot of uneducated people are pushing for. A Democratic Republic is a system designed to protect people from the tyranny of the majority. Direct Democracy is basically 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. Direct Democracy may sound great on paper, but it's fundamentally flawed. Hillary is an idiot. She's still bitter about her defeat, so this is her way of getting back at the system.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Santorin 09/14/17 5:34:23 PM #84:	Mal_Fet posted... LITERALLY http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/lk5855b1cd.jpg LITERALLY. --- I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. Patrick Henry <cite>Santorin posted [p:886607374] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>LITERALLY http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/lk5855b1cd.jpg</quote> LITERALLY.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cj_WlLL_VVlN 09/14/17 5:36:55 PM #85:	darkjedilink posted... Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted... CarlGrimes posted... Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted... I mean she sucks and is making herself look worse but the electoral college does need to go. A voter in uneducated flyover state USA that is doing their best to tank the economy because my daddy did done grow coal and I can farm it just like pop pop shouldn't have a vote worth more than the people being productive and subsidizing middle America. Yes, let those liberal bubble cities make choices for the whole country. No. Let one person be one vote. It's ridiculous that coal played any part in the election. Coal is dead and never coming back, but we're getting away from renewable energy because these people have a vote worth double many others and refuse to adapt. Or the fact that middle America can't compete in farming and live off government subsidies. These same people that talk about capitalism and evil socialism are the most socialist people in the country. Basically these people dragging the economy backwards are getting voting power beyond the liberal bubbles that are driving the economy and subsidizing these hypocrites that can't actually compete without sucking from the government teet. Were being held hostage by people to stupid or to stubborn to recognized the world's changed and adapt. So much fail. It's called 'the breadbasket of America' because they FAIL at farming? Farming is highly subsidized. They would be out of business if not. For years importing has been cheaper for food but since middle America refuses to adapt the communist government has been keeping them alive despite not being smart enough to survive free market. --- The gamefaqs moderation team knows dogs capable of being offended, cant laugh at a joke, and like to punish jokes that are acceptable on prime time TV pg shows. <cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted [p:886607537] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CarlGrimes posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...</cite> <quote>I mean she sucks and is making herself look worse but the electoral college does need to go. A voter in uneducated flyover state USA that is doing their best to tank the economy because my daddy did done grow coal and I can farm it just like pop pop shouldn't have a vote worth more than the people being productive and subsidizing middle America.</quote> Yes, let those liberal bubble cities make choices for the whole country.</quote> No. Let one person be one vote. It's ridiculous that coal played any part in the election. Coal is dead and never coming back, but we're getting away from renewable energy because these people have a vote worth double many others and refuse to adapt. Or the fact that middle America can't compete in farming and live off government subsidies. These same people that talk about capitalism and evil socialism are the most socialist people in the country. Basically these people dragging the economy backwards are getting voting power beyond the liberal bubbles that are driving the economy and subsidizing these hypocrites that can't actually compete without sucking from the government teet. Were being held hostage by people to stupid or to stubborn to recognized the world's changed and adapt.</quote> So much fail. It's called 'the breadbasket of America' because they FAIL at farming?</quote> Farming is highly subsidized. They would be out of business if not. For years importing has been cheaper for food but since middle America refuses to adapt the communist government has been keeping them alive despite not being smart enough to survive free market.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Santorin 09/14/17 5:38:53 PM #86:	There's some irony here. How many of the people want the EC changed to what the majority wants over the minority regardless of anything else? That's like saying what the majority ethnicity wants is right over the minority regardless of anything else. At least I hope those aren't the same people that would be like some strange kind of double standard. --- I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. Patrick Henry <cite>Santorin posted [p:886607661] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote>There's some irony here. How many of the people want the EC changed to what the majority wants over the minority regardless of anything else? That's like saying what the majority ethnicity wants is right over the minority regardless of anything else. At least I hope those aren't the same people that would be like some strange kind of double standard.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawkinsNumber4 09/14/17 5:39:09 PM #87:	--- https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community Board <cite>DawkinsNumber4 posted [p:886607679] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/14/17 5:54:56 PM #88:	Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted... Saying we should fix democracy The US isnt a democracy and it never was. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:886608606] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...</cite> <quote>Saying we should fix democracy </quote> The US isnt a democracy and it never was.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarlGrimes 09/14/17 6:09:31 PM #89:	Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted... For years importing has been cheaper for food but since middle America refuses to adapt the communist government has been keeping them alive despite not being smart enough to survive free market. Yes, let's continue to send jobs overseas. That can only turn out wonderful. That way the democrats can have even more people rely on their welfare and play the heroes. --- You'll get a funeral if you don't wise up and call me....Carl Poppa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9aM9Ch97U8 <cite>CarlGrimes posted [p:886609446] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...</cite> <quote>For years importing has been cheaper for food but since middle America refuses to adapt the communist government has been keeping them alive despite not being smart enough to survive free market.</quote> Yes, let's continue to send jobs overseas. That can only turn out wonderful. That way the democrats can have even more people rely on their welfare and play the heroes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cj_WlLL_VVlN 09/14/17 6:52:52 PM #90:	CarlGrimes posted... Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted... For years importing has been cheaper for food but since middle America refuses to adapt the communist government has been keeping them alive despite not being smart enough to survive free market. Yes, let's continue to send jobs overseas. That can only turn out wonderful. That way the democrats can have even more people rely on their welfare and play the heroes. Expanding economy creates jobs. America has been moving away from agriculture, manufacturing, etc for years and yet middle America clings to the past. The biggest recipients of welfare are those claiming to hate it. Sure old jobs disappear but that just means new jobs are coming. Mal_Fet posted... Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted... Saying we should fix democracy The US isnt a democracy and it never was. A republic is a democracy. I'm sorry you think it's important to keep welfare recipients in power instead of having them become functional members of society but I guess since they hate brown people they've never met as much as you do it's important to keep them in power and screw the economy. --- The gamefaqs moderation team knows dogs capable of being offended, cant laugh at a joke, and like to punish jokes that are acceptable on prime time TV pg shows. <cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted [p:886611872] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>CarlGrimes posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...</cite> <quote>For years importing has been cheaper for food but since middle America refuses to adapt the communist government has been keeping them alive despite not being smart enough to survive free market.</quote> Yes, let's continue to send jobs overseas. That can only turn out wonderful. That way the democrats can have even more people rely on their welfare and play the heroes.</quote> Expanding economy creates jobs. America has been moving away from agriculture, manufacturing, etc for years and yet middle America clings to the past. The biggest recipients of welfare are those claiming to hate it. Sure old jobs disappear but that just means new jobs are coming. <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...</cite> <quote>Saying we should fix democracy </quote> The US isnt a democracy and it never was.</quote> A republic is a democracy. I'm sorry you think it's important to keep welfare recipients in power instead of having them become functional members of society but I guess since they hate brown people they've never met as much as you do it's important to keep them in power and screw the economy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarlGrimes 09/14/17 7:00:57 PM #91:	Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted... Sure old jobs disappear but that just means new jobs are coming. Really, like what? What are these magic jobs that will save everyone? --- You'll get a funeral if you don't wise up and call me....Carl Poppa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9aM9Ch97U8 <cite>CarlGrimes posted [p:886612312] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...</cite> <quote>Sure old jobs disappear but that just means new jobs are coming.</quote> Really, like what? What are these magic jobs that will save everyone?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 09/14/17 7:02:38 PM #92:	CarlGrimes posted... Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted... Sure old jobs disappear but that just means new jobs are coming. Really, like what? What are these magic jobs that will save everyone? The same ones that seem to be staying away due to our corporate tax rate. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:886612397] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>CarlGrimes posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...</cite> <quote> Sure old jobs disappear but that just means new jobs are coming.</quote> Really, like what? What are these magic jobs that will save everyone?</quote> The same ones that seem to be staying away due to our corporate tax rate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 09/14/17 7:09:53 PM #93:	Mal_Fet posted... The US isnt a democracy What do you think it is? --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:886612789] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>The US isnt a democracy</quote> What do you think it is?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squidkids 09/14/17 7:15:26 PM #94:	Santorin posted... There's some irony here. How many of the people want the EC changed to what the majority wants over the minority regardless of anything else? That's like saying what the majority ethnicity wants is right over the minority regardless of anything else. At least I hope those aren't the same people that would be like some strange kind of double standard. This logic is flawed because the implied meaning how the EC works. A state can win by 2000 votes, like first bush election, him winning was complete BS! I am sure there is a way to make the EC better or keep the concept of representation to let the minority to have more of a voice, but the EC in the current state is broken. The reason for that is simple, the minority DOES NOT!!! have a voice in "safe" states. Like are you a democrat in texas? a Republican in cali? grats your vote doesn't count. The winner take all is a huge problem of it. --- Be a team player, guard those super jump rings. See a team member inking a wall to swim up on? ink with them. Ink your foes into ash. http://tinyurl.com/z7hbzrr <cite>Squidkids posted [p:886613085] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>Santorin posted...</cite> <quote>There's some irony here. How many of the people want the EC changed to what the majority wants over the minority regardless of anything else? That's like saying what the majority ethnicity wants is right over the minority regardless of anything else. At least I hope those aren't the same people that would be like some strange kind of double standard.</quote> This logic is flawed because the implied meaning how the EC works. A state can win by 2000 votes, like first bush election, him winning was complete BS! I am sure there is a way to make the EC better or keep the concept of representation to let the minority to have more of a voice, but the EC in the current state is broken. The reason for that is simple, the minority DOES NOT!!! have a voice in "safe" states. Like are you a democrat in texas? a Republican in cali? grats your vote doesn't count. The winner take all is a huge problem of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nexigrams 09/14/17 7:16:27 PM #95:	It's funny how she wouldn't be the nominee at all if it wasn't for all the Superdelegates refusing the vote for Bernie even though he got more votes. --- http://imgur.com/SYiqIRC <cite>nexigrams posted [p:886613152] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote>It's funny how she wouldn't be the nominee at all if it wasn't for all the Superdelegates refusing the vote for Bernie even though he got more votes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 09/14/17 7:19:04 PM #96:	nexigrams posted... even though he got more votes. Uhh...what --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:886613286] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>nexigrams posted...</cite> <quote> even though he got more votes.</quote> Uhh...what</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JerickoX 09/14/17 7:25:39 PM #97:	Next Clinton will blame Howard Dean's infamous campain shriek. "I realized that in 2004, Howard Dean's cry ripped open the fabric of time and space, which sent a tremor into the year 2016. His trans-temporal wail not only cost me the election, but also a bottle of vintage bourbon that was meant to celebrate my victory. Like my dreams of presidency, the shriek's vibration pushed the bottle off of Obama's limestone table, that led into a free-fall tw'ards the gaping maws of darkness. There it lies... my dreams and the burbon: scattered into pieces, shattered and forgotten, lying lifeless on the floor. Damn you, Howard Dean." --- If you browse Facebook or play video games, then you have time to learn, fuel your passion, and make it real. Be ruthless with yourself. - T. Sykes, 2017. <cite>JerickoX posted [p:886613638] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote>Next Clinton will blame Howard Dean's infamous campain shriek. "I realized that in 2004, Howard Dean's cry ripped open the fabric of time and space, which sent a tremor into the year 2016. His trans-temporal wail not only cost me the election, but also a bottle of vintage bourbon that was meant to celebrate my victory. Like my dreams of presidency, the shriek's vibration pushed the bottle off of Obama's limestone table, that led into a free-fall tw'ards the gaping maws of darkness. There it lies... my dreams and the burbon: scattered into pieces, shattered and forgotten, lying lifeless on the floor. Damn you, Howard Dean."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 09/14/17 7:51:37 PM #98:	frozenshock posted... And the amount of EVs per state is actually being modified every few years, but it doesn't NEARLY make it proportional to population It physically cannot, because it includes Senators. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:886615150] in Hillary Cl... [t:75774573]...</cite> <quote><cite>frozenshock posted...</cite> <quote>And the amount of EVs per state is actually being modified every few years, but it doesn't NEARLY make it proportional to population </quote> It physically cannot, because it includes Senators.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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