Poll of the Day > What do you think is the best game with the most severe flaws?

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Basically what I mean is I am looking for the biggest gap/differential between the game's overall greatness and the severity of its flaws.

In my opinion, the first one that comes to mind is the PSX Final Fantasy Tactics. It's really fun and overall a great experience but it is horribly balanced (maybe as bad as any jrpg), its class/level up system is incredibly abusable, and the text goes ridiculously slow.

Another contender for me was FF8 but its flaws aren't as severe.
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I dunno...maybe any game with random stats gain? I enjoyed the Fire Emblem series but the RNG screwed over Lyndis in Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade. My friend was actually surprise how weak Lyndis was in my game compared to his. Of course I could always overlevel to make up for that but it still stung how bad her stats gain were due to the RNG.
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Final Fantasy VII - translations with zero consistency.
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InfestedAdam posted...

Lyndis in Fire Emblem

The only thing she has going for her is her speed; Lyn can't tank two hits in HHM, her strength growths are shaky, and she's sword-locked. I don't really think of her as a good unit.
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EclairReturns posted...

InfestedAdam posted...

Lyndis in Fire Emblem

The only thing she has going for her is her speed; Lyn can't tank two hits in HHM, her strength growths are shaky, and she's sword-locked. I don't really think of her as a good unit.

I figure she was the fast type but even then the RNG screwed me over and hardly gave her any speed during level ups.
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She just sucks, dude. But if you really must train her, Lyn's Mode is a fast and easy way to get her seven good level-ups. Personally, I'd prefer investing my energy towards Sain, Florina, or Matthew. You can always Lundgren-abuse to get the stats you want. But you'd have to be careful of your funds ranking. You can't use more than one stat-up item, be it the angelic robe or the energy ring. I prefer the latter. Here, I even made a table of how to manage my time and weaponry in LHM when I was boss-abusing.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-iIFIKif9SyemNvQmQza3hYa2s

Training Nils costs nothing, but Serra costs you 20G per turn. I got her up to like level ten before starting my S-rank HHM run. Can you tell I'm a nerd yet? >_>
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Haha. Thank you for the tips but it has been over seven years since I last played Blazing Blade. I can't recall his name but he was a mage of sort and was stupidly overpowered in that game. Somehow he had high magic attack and high physical and magical defense. He could take hits and dish em out.He pretty much carried me through the game. I think he was Canas...
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Pent.
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Dragon's Dogma. I love the game and put a ton of time into it, but it has a lot of flaws.

Personally its medabots RPG for GBA, so many problems with that game and not like "i just dont like this but I can see why someone else might like this" but actually terrible problems like:

>the first fights seemingly RNG on rokusho since they dont actually tell you anything about the combat system and you cant customize at that point and the first opponent will 1 shot 1 of your 4 parts randomly unless you play around it which you wouldnt know you could even do
>whenever people leave a scene they all leave very slowly 1 at a time which you wouldnt think would be a big deal but holy hell do this happen a lot
>many bots that you only will be able to get 1 or 2 parts of per file which is a real pain considering drops are random, and boss fights can be hella difficult and cutscenes hella long and the game wasnt exactly popular enough even at launch to pull a pokemon version thing off well, much less playing it now obviously, the game just feels like you cant have most of the cool stuff.
and so much more
but what it does right hits such crucial notes for me its easily one of my favorite games of all time
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Resident Evil 4

I've heard that the terrible controls and obnoxious everything were intentional, and added to the oppressive feeling of the game. I guess that qualifies, because the game is overall fantastic.
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TheSlinja posted...

Personally its medabots RPG for GBA, so many problems with that game and not like "i just dont like this but I can see why someone else might like this" but actually terrible problems like:

>the first fights seemingly RNG on rokusho since they dont actually tell you anything about the combat system and you cant customize at that point and the first opponent will 1 shot 1 of your 4 parts randomly unless you play around it which you wouldnt know you could even do
>whenever people leave a scene they all leave very slowly 1 at a time which you wouldnt think would be a big deal but holy hell do this happen a lot
>many bots that you only will be able to get 1 or 2 parts of per file which is a real pain considering drops are random, and boss fights can be hella difficult and cutscenes hella long and the game wasnt exactly popular enough even at launch to pull a pokemon version thing off well, much less playing it now obviously, the game just feels like you cant have most of the cool stuff.
and so much more
but what it does right hits such crucial notes for me its easily one of my favorite games of all time

Your description intrigues me. Do you feel it's worth going back to today? I have probably played and completed almost every rpg and tactics rpg for gba but don't know this one.
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Last of Us

Garbage gameplay. Way too cinematic for my preferences.
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Every game mentioned in this topic except for Eesident Evil 4 has been an RPG. Hence, one of the reasons I'm not an RPG fan. Many of them have very glaring flaws that I just can't overlook, especially since I'm not a fan of the genre anyway.
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Lightning Bolt posted...

Resident Evil 4

I've heard that the terrible controls and obnoxious everything were intentional, and added to the oppressive feeling of the game. I guess that qualifies, because the game is overall fantastic.

Interesting choice. I feel if you are going to go with controls you could make a case for Metal Gear Solid One or Resident Evil 2.
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GameReviews posted...

Every game mentioned in this topic except for Eesident Evil 4 has been an RPG. Hence, one of the reasons I'm not an RPG fan. Many of them have very glaring flaws that I just can't overlook, especially since I'm not a fan of the genre anyway.

I think that's backwards reasoning. The reality is the reason so many RPGs are being named is because so many of them are considered truly great. These are choices that are flawed and still great, so there are a ton out there without major flaws that are just fantastic.
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I wonder if Vagrant Story can also be included. Great game but I feel the game could do a little bit more hand-holding especially when it comes to using the correct weapon types.
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refureeman posted...

TheSlinja posted...

Personally its medabots RPG for GBA, so many problems with that game and not like "i just dont like this but I can see why someone else might like this" but actually terrible problems like:

>the first fights seemingly RNG on rokusho since they dont actually tell you anything about the combat system and you cant customize at that point and the first opponent will 1 shot 1 of your 4 parts randomly unless you play around it which you wouldnt know you could even do
>whenever people leave a scene they all leave very slowly 1 at a time which you wouldnt think would be a big deal but holy hell do this happen a lot
>many bots that you only will be able to get 1 or 2 parts of per file which is a real pain considering drops are random, and boss fights can be hella difficult and cutscenes hella long and the game wasnt exactly popular enough even at launch to pull a pokemon version thing off well, much less playing it now obviously, the game just feels like you cant have most of the cool stuff.
and so much more
but what it does right hits such crucial notes for me its easily one of my favorite games of all time

Your description intrigues me. Do you feel it's worth going back to today? I have probably played and completed almost every rpg and tactics rpg for gba but don't know this one.

absolutely, its got oodles of charm and gameplay is really good once it gets going, the start is very slow admittedly. but I'm a sucker for customizable robots
I'd recommend metabee version since its the easier start I feel.
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Marvel Vs Capcom 2

No balance between characters
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Sonic 06

A few more months in development would've made most of the game playable..

Christian Whitehead needs to stop unnecessarily pooping on the classics and get to work recreating it
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Spider man web of shadows
That game is a mess with technical flaws, more prevalent on the ps3 but its gameplay is so amazing!
Most other games I'd dismiss if it was this poorly done, probably laugh a lil, but this is the best Spider-Man (free roaming) game.
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just cause 3 runs like shit on consoles but it's still fairly fun
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Oh, guess my post somehow got lost but was going to say MRA2 because, like most MR games, soft-resetting is basically encouraged which quickly kills the internal batteries and thus destroying your save files. (In general, a reliance on soft-resets has always greatly impeded the MR franchise, especially during the ps1 days given the load times.)

One of the other best entries in the franchise, MRDS, kinda took a different approach where it sought to punish soft-resetting by lowering your monster's stat growth potential for a while when you saved... or something like that.
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The Witcher 3 was very fun overall, but it was buggy, had shitty combat, and the main storyline was disjointed, busy work trash up there with Adam West Batman solving riddles, minus the fact those were at least meant to be tongue-in-cheek.
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Bravely Default was an amazing game in terms of gameplay and everything else up to the end of the first half. Then it basically becomes unplayable and boring for me.
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Breath of the Wild is an amazing game, but there are some aspects of it that just fall unbelievably flat. I don't think it'd be exaggerating to say it has the worst story, cast, and soundtrack of the 3D Zelda titles.

Alpha Protocol
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Joshs Name posted...

Alpha Protocol

That one broke my heart. It should've been a big franchise. Loved it so much.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

Joshs Name posted...

Alpha Protocol

That one broke my heart. It should've been a big franchise. Loved it so much.

I wasn't able to finish it sadly. Got dropped into some generic, boring looking snow level after a pretty good post-mission sequence and just could not be bothered. Never played it again.

Edit: It was so good though.
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I came here thinking of both FFTactics and Dragon's Dogma. Was not disappointed.

Seriously, FFTactics had some of the slowest and most confusing elements to it... I nearly gave up many times. Honestly, the only reason I continued was because my brother and I kept switching off playing, and we didn't have too much else to play at the time. After almost an entire playthrough it just clicked with me, and now I love it. Still do.

Dragon's Dogma has ridiculously confusing quests, several completely missable. Plus the first half of the game becomes boring on multiple playthroughs once you realize how much fun the "post game" and "Bitterblack "Isle" areas are. It also of course has the BS fake difficulty scaling like most RPGs where certain areas of the game become trivial or are impossibly simple because of stats. Dragon's Dogma has by far some of the most fun and exciting combat mechanics, along with the very interesting and deep pawn creation/management. It's one of my favorite games of all time despite the flaws.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

Joshs Name posted...

Alpha Protocol

That one broke my heart. It should've been a big franchise. Loved it so much.

I can agree with yer on that. I kinda saw it as a spiritual successor to Deus Ex prior to Deus Ex: Human Revolution. Overall I enjoyed the game, different builds, approaches, conversations, and reputation with other characters.
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The Walking Dead: Survival Instinct. Terrible graphics and clunky controls. It also feels like a rushed half finished game. (which it is) However in my opinion it's still the best single player zombie game I've ever played.
A more recent game that's fun but seriously flawed is Crossout. The concept for the game is great and the level of customization for your vehicles is awesome. However the grind is neigh impossible to get upgrades making the game fall into a pay to win.
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People toss around the term "unplayable" way too easily. When I think unplayable, I think literally game-ending stuff, not just interest-killing.

SINnocent posted...

Seriously, FFTactics had some of the slowest and most confusing elements to it... I nearly gave up many times. Honestly, the only reason I continued was because my brother and I kept switching off playing, and we didn't have too much else to play at the time. After almost an entire playthrough it just clicked with me, and now I love it. Still do.

....what?
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