Current Events > 2 in 5 Muslims apparently feel discriminated against in Europe

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CarlGrimes posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

A lot of Muslim women are forced to dress that way, but Muslims in the West seem to be treating that clothing as cultural identifiers and the women are kind of "taking them back."

"Taking them back" doesn't work if they are still used today as being oppressive.

People bandy this word 'culture' around a lot. Especially with regards to such attire.

Well, it wasn't anything to do with large swathes of middle eastern cultural attire until late mid last century.

Here's one example of arabic Egyptian ladies in the 1950s. Notice anything different to what you'd see more of nowadays?

Yes, a distinct lack of coverings and other such nonsense.


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Ammonitida posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

"Judging people for shit they have absolute control over is wrong." ~ People that judge red hats

Indeed. That's why the right wing needs to stop with its anti-Muslim vilification. You can't take the moral high ground and whine about being judged for being white/conservative and then turn around and shame Muslims in the same breath.

You dont have to be right wing or a white conservative to recognize the danger of losing the numbers game, even outside of extremism it is incompatible with western values because women are treated like property.
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Have you ever been hated or discriminated against I have I've been protested and demonstrated against. Picket signs for my wicked rhymes look at the time sick is the mind that all these mother fucking kids are behind.
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KillerKhan420 posted...

Simple solution, go the fuck back home, problem solved

If only there was somewhere on Earth they could go where they wouldn't have to feel discriminated against by evil Europeans.
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BillWardsPants posted...

If only there was somewhere on Earth they could go where they wouldn't have to feel discriminated against by evil Europeans.

How about Europeans stop being discriminatory pieces of shit?

You claim to be the better culture? Then act like it. Otherwise you're just the other side of the shit coin.
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unpleasant_milk posted...

CarlGrimes posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

A lot of Muslim women are forced to dress that way, but Muslims in the West seem to be treating that clothing as cultural identifiers and the women are kind of "taking them back."

"Taking them back" doesn't work if they are still used today as being oppressive.

People bandy this word 'culture' around a lot. Especially with regards to such attire.

Well, it wasn't anything to do with large swathes of middle eastern cultural attire until late mid last century.

Here's one example of arabic Egyptian ladies in the 1950s. Notice anything different to what you'd see more of nowadays?

Yes, a distinct lack of coverings and other such nonsense.

Of course. This was a woman in Iran in the 60s.

If a woman wore that now she would probably be killed.
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Why don't they go back if they do not like it?
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CrimsonRage posted...

CarlGrimes posted...

unpleasant_milk posted...

CarlGrimes posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

A lot of Muslim women are forced to dress that way, but Muslims in the West seem to be treating that clothing as cultural identifiers and the women are kind of "taking them back."

"Taking them back" doesn't work if they are still used today as being oppressive.

People bandy this word 'culture' around a lot. Especially with regards to such attire.

Well, it wasn't anything to do with large swathes of middle eastern cultural attire until late mid last century.

Here's one example of arabic Egyptian ladies in the 1950s. Notice anything different to what you'd see more of nowadays?

Yes, a distinct lack of coverings and other such nonsense.

Of course. This was a woman in Iran in the 60s.

If a woman wore that now she would probably be killed.

There's a reason why Iran regressed like that, and it isn't just "because Islam." Islam was still around in Iran in those days after all.

But islam is the lynch pin to it all.
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ReignFury posted...

Ammonitida posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

"Judging people for shit they have absolute control over is wrong." ~ People that judge red hats

Indeed. That's why the right wing needs to stop with its anti-Muslim vilification. You can't take the moral high ground and whine about being judged for being white/conservative and then turn around and shame Muslims in the same breath.

You dont have to be right wing or a white conservative to recognize the danger of losing the numbers game, even outside of extremism it is incompatible with western values because women are treated like property.

Dude, we have plenty of Christians here who treat women like property (see Mormon sex offender scandals). We also have Christians who don't. Same is true for Muslims. Indeed, a recent poll found that US Muslims are more accepting of homosexuality than their Christian evangelical counterparts are (in a poll by the same pollsters years before, they were as unaccepting of gays as evangelicals were). This shows that the extremist elements of Islam can be defeated when exposed to "Western values" (you mean not being a bigot, right?). Islam is not incompatible.

If you move to another country, you should integrate with that country, including its culture. There is no reason to wear that style of clothing here, and if you feel the need to, move back home where its accepted. If you moved over here because of discrimination or a better life, respect and integrate into the culture that made that better life possible.
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CrimsonRage posted...

CarlGrimes posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

CarlGrimes posted...

unpleasant_milk posted...

CarlGrimes posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

A lot of Muslim women are forced to dress that way, but Muslims in the West seem to be treating that clothing as cultural identifiers and the women are kind of "taking them back."

"Taking them back" doesn't work if they are still used today as being oppressive.

People bandy this word 'culture' around a lot. Especially with regards to such attire.

Well, it wasn't anything to do with large swathes of middle eastern cultural attire until late mid last century.

Here's one example of arabic Egyptian ladies in the 1950s. Notice anything different to what you'd see more of nowadays?

Yes, a distinct lack of coverings and other such nonsense.

Of course. This was a woman in Iran in the 60s.

If a woman wore that now she would probably be killed.

There's a reason why Iran regressed like that, and it isn't just "because Islam." Islam was still around in Iran in those days after all.

But islam is the lynch pin to it all.

If the US never interfered and overthrew their democratic government leading to the Islamic Revolution, Islam in Iran could have continued its secularising path and who knows, Iran could have been another Turkey.

Yeah, well now we don't and we have to deal with what islam has become, and ignoring it like so many liberals want to do is not going to do shit.
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CarlGrimes posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

CarlGrimes posted...

unpleasant_milk posted...

CarlGrimes posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

A lot of Muslim women are forced to dress that way, but Muslims in the West seem to be treating that clothing as cultural identifiers and the women are kind of "taking them back."

"Taking them back" doesn't work if they are still used today as being oppressive.

People bandy this word 'culture' around a lot. Especially with regards to such attire.

Well, it wasn't anything to do with large swathes of middle eastern cultural attire until late mid last century.

Here's one example of arabic Egyptian ladies in the 1950s. Notice anything different to what you'd see more of nowadays?

Yes, a distinct lack of coverings and other such nonsense.

Of course. This was a woman in Iran in the 60s.

If a woman wore that now she would probably be killed.

There's a reason why Iran regressed like that, and it isn't just "because Islam." Islam was still around in Iran in those days after all.

But islam is the lynch pin to it all.

But islam is the lynch pin to it all

Add the words fundamentally regressive before Islam, and you'd be entirely correct.

We need to resist the normalisation and acceptance of this attire on our western shores.

Seriously, treating it like it deserves a place here is just as much a part of the problem.

So please, unless you have a really bloody good argument in defence of tolerating it, refrain from commenting on it. Besides, such a pro burka argument simply cannot and does not, exist.
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unpleasant_milk posted...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/21/two-in-five-european-muslims-have-felt-discriminated-against-survey

Nearly 40% of women who wore a headscarf or niqab in public felt that was why they had faced discrimination when applying for a job. More than 30% of women wearing traditional or religious clothing said they had been harassed, most often through offensive gestures or comments.

Idk, but perhaps someone who only desires to reveal her eyes to the outside world isn't perhaps the best person to judge how she is perceived.
Surely she has already put down a rather significant marker/barrier to everyone else, particularly non Muslims?

Who cares, they can always go back to Africa as this place isn't int he business of converting to a regular middle east SH.
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