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unpleasant_milk 09/21/17 12:11:45 PM #1: |
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/21/two-in-five-european-muslims-have-felt-discriminated-against-survey
Nearly 40% of women who wore a headscarf or niqab in public felt that was why they had faced discrimination when applying for a job. More than 30% of women wearing traditional or religious clothing said they had been harassed, most often through offensive gestures or comments. Idk, but perhaps someone who only desires to reveal her eyes to the outside world isn't perhaps the best person to judge how she is perceived. Surely she has already put down a rather significant marker/barrier to everyone else, particularly non Muslims? --- GT unpleasant milk #I want a poacher skin rug ~ http://imgur.com/a/V10yv ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mario2000 09/21/17 12:12:18 PM #2: |
nice victim blaming
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BootyGif 09/21/17 12:12:41 PM #3: |
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prettyprincess 09/21/17 12:14:19 PM #5: |
unpleasant_milk posted...
perhaps someone who only desires to reveal her eyes to the outside world isn't perhaps the best person to judge how she is perceived or maybe she perceives more by having her other senses covered on some sci fi shit --- And in an infinite regress, tell me, why is the pain of birth lighter borne than the pain of death? http://www.last.fm/user/followthegospel ... Copied to Clipboard!
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teepan95 09/21/17 12:17:01 PM #7: |
mario2000 posted...
nice victim blaming --- http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1060-homework-helpers - come drop by! XCV - https://i.imgtc.com/eNQuMuo.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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unpleasant_milk 09/21/17 12:20:51 PM #8: |
-Gavirulax- posted...
That seems about right, there is a lot of anti-Muslim rhetoric as opposed to anti-Islam which is what it should be focused on. The niqab for example, is not a positive symbol of Islam, and its wearers shouldn't be surprised that it receives a less than warm reception. Not advocating any abuse towards its wearers, but they should understand the impression they're sending out. --- GT unpleasant milk #I want a poacher skin rug ~ http://imgur.com/a/V10yv ... Copied to Clipboard!
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unpleasant_milk 09/21/17 12:22:51 PM #9: |
teepan95 posted...
mario2000 posted...nice victim blaming Not really. I'm just not surprised at how divisive a reception that a divisive garment and its wearer receives. --- GT unpleasant milk #I want a poacher skin rug ~ http://imgur.com/a/V10yv ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mario2000 09/21/17 12:25:05 PM #10: |
Idk, but perhaps someone who only desires to reveal her eyes to the outside world isn't perhaps the best person to judge how she is perceived. "its her fault for wearing those clothes" this is literally victim blaming my dude --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Looked gf 09/21/17 12:39:00 PM #12: |
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Fam_Fam 09/21/17 12:39:01 PM #13: |
-Gavirulax- posted...
mario2000 posted..."its her fault for wearing those clothes" so you are saying its their fault that they are being discriminated against. that's the literal definition of victim blaming, which is this person's point. Is your counter-argument that victim blaming is justifiable? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BLAKUboy 09/21/17 12:43:31 PM #15: |
"Discrimination is okay because I don't like Islam."
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mario2000 09/21/17 12:48:39 PM #17: |
-Gavirulax- posted...
mario2000 posted..."its her fault for wearing those clothes" Well then that's the fault of the discriminator, now isn't it? --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash ... Copied to Clipboard!
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teepan95 09/21/17 12:55:12 PM #19: |
-Gavirulax- posted...
I never mentioned the Hijab, if people give that weird looks then I'm not defending it. Imo, anything that's not a shuttlecock burqa is fair game and shouldn't be discriminated against. --- http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1060-homework-helpers - come drop by! XCV - https://i.imgtc.com/eNQuMuo.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 09/21/17 1:13:07 PM #20: |
Meanwhile 5 in 5 non-Muslim women feel discriminated against if they set foot in Saudi Arabia or Palestine.
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DonaldClinton 09/21/17 1:15:19 PM #21: |
Asherlee10 posted...
-Gavirulax- posted...Fam_Fam posted...-Gavirulax- posted...mario2000 posted..."its her fault for wearing those clothes" Why would you hire someone whose face you can't see? How does that seem like someone you should trust? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 09/21/17 1:16:46 PM #22: |
Big difference between "feel discriminated against" and "actually are discriminated against."
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C_Pain 09/21/17 1:17:15 PM #23: |
Crying victim blaming is basically a thought-terminating cliche at this point.
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xxBurnedManxx 09/21/17 1:45:55 PM #24: |
UnfairRepresent posted...
Meanwhile 5 in 5 non-Muslim women feel discriminated against if they set foot in Saudi Arabia or Palestine. lol i can bet 20$ steam wallet code that u are 101% Israeli --- burn me once shame on you burn me twice shame on me - https://www.g2a.com/r/user-5773b2b5edc1b ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReignFury 09/21/17 2:04:56 PM #25: |
BLAKUboy posted...
"Discrimination is okay because I don't like Islam." "Discrimination never happens in Islamic countries" --- Not all women deserve chivalry http://i.giftrunk.com/rv4b2c.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 09/21/17 2:06:53 PM #26: |
That's unfortunate.
But I'd bet at least 2/5 native Western Europeans feel worried about being blown up or run over or stabbed while going about their normal business these days --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CarlGrimes 09/21/17 2:15:00 PM #27: |
mario2000 posted...
Idk, but perhaps someone who only desires to reveal her eyes to the outside world isn't perhaps the best person to judge how she is perceived. Not really. Is it victim blaming when you call out some guy that goes to a job interview with a tee shirt and jeans and doesn't get the job? --- You'll get a funeral if you don't wise up and call me....Carl Poppa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9aM9Ch97U8 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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unpleasant_milk 09/21/17 2:20:18 PM #28: |
-Gavirulax- posted...
Fam_Fam posted...-Gavirulax- posted...mario2000 posted..."its her fault for wearing those clothes" Pretty much what I was trying to get at. Maybe I wasn't explaining it perfectly well. Garments such as the niqab and Burka are inherently discriminating themselves FROM the rest of society. Would you feel happy to have everyone walking around in balaclavas? Wouldn't that be odd? Well, a garment that permits just as much facial contact just because it is tenuously attached to a religion is not ok and imo, ripe for ridicule. Just as much as someone who desires to wear a balaclava all day. --- GT unpleasant milk #I want a poacher skin rug ~ http://imgur.com/a/V10yv ... Copied to Clipboard!
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unpleasant_milk 09/21/17 3:52:15 PM #32: |
CrimsonRage posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...Meanwhile 5 in 5 non-Muslim women feel discriminated against if they set foot in Saudi Arabia or Palestine. Sometimes it's good to dole out a taste of bitter medicine that they themselves make others drink. Might make them reconsider a few things when they realise how shitty it tastes. --- GT unpleasant milk #I want a poacher skin rug ~ http://imgur.com/a/V10yv ... Copied to Clipboard!
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unpleasant_milk 09/21/17 4:02:21 PM #34: |
Asherlee10 posted...
-Gavirulax- posted...Asherlee10 posted...I would ask to meet them privately. Is there an issue for one woman to see the face of another woman in that sect of Islam? I can see a multitude of jobs where face covering is a huge no-no for me. Teacher, policewoman, social worker, counsellor, cashier, nurse... etc. Facial expressions convey so much. I would not at all be pleased of either myself or my family had to deal with someone dressed in such a manner, and who expected to be taken seriously. It displays a distinct lack of respect and professional courtesy. Not to mention downright peculiar as fuck. What would a child make of a teacher wearing this? What sick patient, particularly an infant, would feel reassurance from a nurse dressed like that? Who would feel comfortable opening up to a counsellor dressed like this? They want to talk about tolerance and respect, well fucking respect our ways and stop expecting everyone else to respect and 'be all cool' with 'needing' to cover up like some science fiction monster. --- GT unpleasant milk #I want a poacher skin rug ~ http://imgur.com/a/V10yv ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anarchy_Juiblex 09/21/17 4:11:22 PM #36: |
"Judging people for shit they have absolute control over is wrong." ~ People that judge red hats
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unpleasant_milk 09/21/17 4:11:24 PM #37: |
Asherlee10 posted...
unpleasant_milk posted...Asherlee10 posted...-Gavirulax- posted...Asherlee10 posted...I would ask to meet them privately. Is there an issue for one woman to see the face of another woman in that sect of Islam? I wouldn't have them doing anything in a workplace environment. Have them work remotely from home or something. They wouldn't fit in quite frankly. I wouldn't have someone sitting all day in an office wearing a balaclava or crash helmet... so why should this be any different? Religious needs? That's quite some tenuous stretch, no? --- GT unpleasant milk #I want a poacher skin rug ~ http://imgur.com/a/V10yv ... Copied to Clipboard!
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unpleasant_milk 09/21/17 4:12:22 PM #38: |
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
"Judging people for shit they have absolute control over is wrong." ~ People that judge red hats Quite. But we are quite used to this hypocritical stance, aren't we? --- GT unpleasant milk #I want a poacher skin rug ~ http://imgur.com/a/V10yv ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SweetieBelle462 09/21/17 4:28:00 PM #40: |
I wonder why?
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SweetieBelle462 09/21/17 4:32:30 PM #41: |
Asherlee10 posted...
-Gavirulax- posted...Fam_Fam posted...-Gavirulax- posted...mario2000 posted..."its her fault for wearing those clothes" But she believes in awful practices like forcing girls to cover up ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ammonitida 09/21/17 4:34:11 PM #42: |
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That's unfortunate. Native Western Europeans have more to fear from their own moms than some random Jihadist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anarchy_Juiblex 09/21/17 4:39:40 PM #43: |
CrimsonRage posted...
This is a false equivalency. People have full control over who they choose to support and you can judge them on that. People have full control over what they wear and what you wear and can be (and for religious attire, is) a political statement. Women choosing to wear oppressive clothes makes a political statement. One I vehemently disagree with. I don't want what are essentially slave rags to be normalized in my country. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ammonitida 09/21/17 4:45:07 PM #44: |
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
"Judging people for shit they have absolute control over is wrong." ~ People that judge red hats Indeed. That's why the right wing needs to stop with its anti-Muslim vilification. You can't take the moral high ground and whine about being judged for being white/conservative and then turn around and shame Muslims in the same breath. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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unpleasant_milk 09/21/17 4:55:07 PM #45: |
Increasing the acceptance of full Islamic veils such as burkas in our non Islamic societies, will serve to normalise it.
Unacceptable for a myriad of reasons. One being that it will place further pressure on non virtue signalling Muslim females to conform to such ways. Even non hijab wearing Muslim females face peer pressure to conform to wearing a hijab. It would get a lot worse if this more radical and extreme form of covering became more widespread. Especially when you consider how many of these communities are rather insular and less integrated with society as a whole. And really, we are not a middle eastern society and we should not be expected to tolerate this kind of behaviour. --- GT unpleasant milk #I want a poacher skin rug ~ http://imgur.com/a/V10yv ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CarlGrimes 09/21/17 4:58:39 PM #47: |
CrimsonRage posted...
A lot of Muslim women are forced to dress that way, but Muslims in the West seem to be treating that clothing as cultural identifiers and the women are kind of "taking them back." "Taking them back" doesn't work if they are still used today as being oppressive. --- You'll get a funeral if you don't wise up and call me....Carl Poppa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9aM9Ch97U8 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ModLogic 09/21/17 5:02:20 PM #48: |
CrimsonRage posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...Meanwhile 5 in 5 non-Muslim women feel discriminated against if they set foot in Saudi Arabia or Palestine. tell that to nazi punchers and people who think its justified to assualt and kill someone cos they said the n word. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KillerKhan420 09/21/17 5:04:01 PM #49: |
Simple solution, go the fuck back home, problem solved
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mario2000 09/21/17 5:05:10 PM #50: |
KillerKhan420 posted...
Simple solution, go the fuck back home, problem solved You do realize that "home" for many of them IS Europe, right? --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash ... Copied to Clipboard!
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