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BignutzisBack
09/21/17 8:31:03 PM
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But they buried him beneath the annals of history because he spoke the realest out of any Civil Rights leader smh

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NadYobWoc
09/21/17 8:31:46 PM
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Yes
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I Like Toast
09/21/17 8:32:23 PM
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Weird, in Illinois he was taught right along side mlk. Maybe Minnesota should stop being a shit hole.
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SageHarpuia
09/21/17 8:32:55 PM
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DevsBro
09/21/17 8:33:23 PM
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Malcolm X believed black was the original race and the superior race.
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BignutzisBack
09/21/17 8:33:33 PM
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SageHarpuia posted...
Who?


Malcom X, a civil rights leader
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xBloodBrotherx
09/21/17 8:34:02 PM
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He was literally a black supremacist and legitimate racist.
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F1areaGaman
09/21/17 8:34:34 PM
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"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing."



why is it everyone who talks like that never gets elected and usually murdered?
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BignutzisBack
09/21/17 8:34:51 PM
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DevsBro posted...
Malcolm X believed black was the original race and the superior race.


can I see some sources on the superior race claim? The original race claim I don't think is a big deal white people do the same thing
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DevsBro
09/21/17 8:38:01 PM
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From the wikipedia page on him:

Advocacy and teachings while with Nation
From his adoption of the Nation of Islam in 1952 until he broke with it in 1964, Malcolm X promoted the Nation's teachings. These included the beliefs:

that black people are the original people of the world[88]
that white people are "devils"[89]
that blacks are superior to whites, and
that the demise of the white race is imminent.[90]

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emblem boy
09/21/17 8:38:19 PM
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He initially held some bad racial views and that shouldn't be glanced over, but he did change his mind regarding those views in later years.
Regardless, Malcom X had a part to play in the civil Rights era like many others.
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NadYobWoc
09/21/17 8:38:40 PM
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CrimsonRage posted...
xBloodBrotherx posted...
He was literally a black supremacist and legitimate racist.


We honour a lot of supremacists and legitimate racists in history tho, don't see why we gotta draw the line at Malcolm.

This. Ghandi despised African black people.
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Axiom
09/21/17 8:39:17 PM
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emblem boy posted...
He initially held some bad racial views and that shouldn't be glanced over, but he did change his mind regarding those views in later years.
Regardless, Malcom X had a part to play in the civil Rights era like many others.

This basically. He was right about somethings and extremely wrong about others
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BignutzisBack
09/21/17 8:39:49 PM
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he makes some interesting points when you put the time period in context

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcRSOHmYq-k

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JerickoX
09/21/17 8:40:04 PM
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No, he gets enough attention from far left extremists. X was a hateful person, and imo should be forgotten.
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SageHarpuia
09/21/17 8:41:54 PM
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Malcom X, a civil rights leader


In the same way David Duke is a "civil rights leader"?
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BignutzisBack
09/21/17 8:44:31 PM
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interesting take by Malcom on Liberals vs Conservatives a half century ago, how relevant do you see it as today?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jfp0_vIn2U

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boxington
09/21/17 8:46:51 PM
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people criticize X for beliefs he held while ignoring the society that he grew in, that allowed those kinda ideas to grow
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Irony
09/21/17 8:49:13 PM
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Nah, he was a racist
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boxington
09/21/17 8:49:44 PM
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I'm glad that his world view became more positive later in his life, though.
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Nomadic View
09/21/17 9:00:11 PM
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He advocated for black people to be job creators and to not rely on handouts to survive. By today's standards Malcom X would be considered an Uncle Tom.

"If we own the stores, if we operate the businesses, if we try and establish some industry in our own community, then we're developing to the position where we are creating employment for our own kind. Once you gain control of the economy of your own community, then you don't have to picket and boycott and beg some [white person] downtown for a job in his business."

- Malcom X, Ballot or the Bullet speech.
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/21/17 9:02:17 PM
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CrimsonRage posted...
boxington posted...
people criticize X for beliefs he held while ignoring the society that he grew in, that allowed those kinda ideas to grow


The excuses they make for every other historical figure don't apply to Malcolm X for some reason.


kinda funny how they do that.

notice it's always the same people using the same rhetoric regardless of the topic?
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/21/17 9:03:41 PM
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Nomadic View posted...
He advocated for black people to be job creators and to not rely on handouts to survive. By today's standards Malcom X would be considered an Uncle Tom.


by whom? elaborate.
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averagejoel
09/21/17 9:06:29 PM
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he should be. sadly, a lot of white people felt (and still feel) threatened by his "by any means necessary" rhetoric
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The Admiral
09/21/17 9:08:31 PM
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Nah, he's regarded appropriately.
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Taharqa_
09/21/17 9:12:34 PM
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Nomadic View posted...
He advocated for black people to be job creators and to not rely on handouts to survive. By today's standards Malcom X would be considered an Uncle Tom.

"If we own the stores, if we operate the businesses, if we try and establish some industry in our own community, then we're developing to the position where we are creating employment for our own kind. Once you gain control of the economy of your own community, then you don't have to picket and boycott and beg some [white person] downtown for a job in his business."

- Malcom X, Ballot or the Bullet speech.


No he wouldn't, shut up.

Malcolm X was no apologists for white supremacy and he was unapologetically black.
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/21/17 9:13:00 PM
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CrimsonRage posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
CrimsonRage posted...
boxington posted...
people criticize X for beliefs he held while ignoring the society that he grew in, that allowed those kinda ideas to grow


The excuses they make for every other historical figure don't apply to Malcolm X for some reason.


kinda funny how they do that.

notice it's always the same people using the same rhetoric regardless of the topic?


Honestly, if they don't like Malcolm X because he didn't like white people, that's fine.

But these same people get bent out of shape when black people don't like historical figures who didn't like black people or Indians who don't like historical figures who didn't like Indians.

Like how do you square that


exactly. they can choose whatever reason to not like him, and that's fine. but all of the irrational mental gymnastics they do with their double standards is sad.

one guy literally believes being a notorious slave master isn't as bad as a slave descendant preaching self defense against White supremacy, so... yeah.

people like that will defend George Zimmerman "standing his ground," though. the same people, typically.
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MajinGoo
09/21/17 9:13:40 PM
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I'm glad he's dead. He was a piece of shit.
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Nomadic View
09/21/17 9:14:43 PM
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Taharqa_ posted...
Nomadic View posted...
He advocated for black people to be job creators and to not rely on handouts to survive. By today's standards Malcom X would be considered an Uncle Tom.

"If we own the stores, if we operate the businesses, if we try and establish some industry in our own community, then we're developing to the position where we are creating employment for our own kind. Once you gain control of the economy of your own community, then you don't have to picket and boycott and beg some [white person] downtown for a job in his business."

- Malcom X, Ballot or the Bullet speech.


No he wouldn't, shut up.

Malcolm X was no apologists for white supremacy and he was unapologetically black.


He is saying the exact same things that Larry Elder advocates. If you ever listen to Larry Elder the callers frequently accuse him of being an Uncle Tom.
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/21/17 9:18:21 PM
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Nomadic View posted...
Taharqa_ posted...
Nomadic View posted...
He advocated for black people to be job creators and to not rely on handouts to survive. By today's standards Malcom X would be considered an Uncle Tom.

"If we own the stores, if we operate the businesses, if we try and establish some industry in our own community, then we're developing to the position where we are creating employment for our own kind. Once you gain control of the economy of your own community, then you don't have to picket and boycott and beg some [white person] downtown for a job in his business."

- Malcom X, Ballot or the Bullet speech.


No he wouldn't, shut up.

Malcolm X was no apologists for white supremacy and he was unapologetically black.


He is saying the exact same things that Larry Elder advocates. If you ever listen to Larry Elder the callers frequently accuse him of being an Uncle Tom.


"today's standards?" elaborate.
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TrollSlayer11
09/21/17 9:19:04 PM
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Malcolm X is a hero, a national treasure, and one of the greatest minds ever produced in the 20th century.

Anyone who thinks otherwise should be sent to the guillotine
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UncleBourbon33
09/21/17 9:19:45 PM
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He was a racist.
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Taharqa_
09/21/17 9:20:48 PM
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Nomadic View posted...
Taharqa_ posted...
Nomadic View posted...
He advocated for black people to be job creators and to not rely on handouts to survive. By today's standards Malcom X would be considered an Uncle Tom.

"If we own the stores, if we operate the businesses, if we try and establish some industry in our own community, then we're developing to the position where we are creating employment for our own kind. Once you gain control of the economy of your own community, then you don't have to picket and boycott and beg some [white person] downtown for a job in his business."

- Malcom X, Ballot or the Bullet speech.


No he wouldn't, shut up.

Malcolm X was no apologists for white supremacy and he was unapologetically black.


He is saying the exact same things that Larry Elder advocates. If you ever listen to Larry Elder the callers frequently accuse him of being an Uncle Tom.


Malcolm X would never defend Rush Limbaugh.
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SageHarpuia
09/21/17 9:21:07 PM
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CrimsonRage posted...
SageHarpuia posted...
Malcom X, a civil rights leader


In the same way David Duke is a "civil rights leader"?


I hate how my favourite character from Mega Man Zero is the now the name of a shitposter.

I'll take that as a compliment.
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Nomadic View
09/21/17 9:23:40 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
Nomadic View posted...
Taharqa_ posted...
Nomadic View posted...
He advocated for black people to be job creators and to not rely on handouts to survive. By today's standards Malcom X would be considered an Uncle Tom.

"If we own the stores, if we operate the businesses, if we try and establish some industry in our own community, then we're developing to the position where we are creating employment for our own kind. Once you gain control of the economy of your own community, then you don't have to picket and boycott and beg some [white person] downtown for a job in his business."

- Malcom X, Ballot or the Bullet speech.


No he wouldn't, shut up.

Malcolm X was no apologists for white supremacy and he was unapologetically black.


He is saying the exact same things that Larry Elder advocates. If you ever listen to Larry Elder the callers frequently accuse him of being an Uncle Tom.


"today's standards?" elaborate.


You're not oppressed.
You're not inferior.
You are capable of controlling your own destiny.
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Ivynn
09/21/17 9:23:52 PM
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Actually, it does seem Malcolm X is getting a little more vindicated.

I remember being taught in school that MLK = good, Malcolm X = bad and never going beyond that. Yet these days I see Malcolm X talked about more and getting a more detailed look at his history and the things he says. My youngest cousin (who is 10 years younger than me) said they spent a few days talking about him which is way more than I was ever taught.
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TrollSlayer11
09/21/17 9:24:49 PM
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Nomadic View posted...
Taharqa_ posted...
Nomadic View posted...
He advocated for black people to be job creators and to not rely on handouts to survive. By today's standards Malcom X would be considered an Uncle Tom.

"If we own the stores, if we operate the businesses, if we try and establish some industry in our own community, then we're developing to the position where we are creating employment for our own kind. Once you gain control of the economy of your own community, then you don't have to picket and boycott and beg some [white person] downtown for a job in his business."

- Malcom X, Ballot or the Bullet speech.


No he wouldn't, shut up.

Malcolm X was no apologists for white supremacy and he was unapologetically black.


He is saying the exact same things that Larry Elder advocates. If you ever listen to Larry Elder the callers frequently accuse him of being an Uncle Tom.


So what? The callers are probably low IQ idiots. The average black person in America is a low self esteem liberal who seeks white validation at every turn and preaches a victim narrative.

Any time a black public figure preaches accountability, responsibility, or that black people are responsible for their own destinies they get called an "Uncle Tom" by other blacks.

That's a complement and a testament to his intelligence and honesty.
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Nomadic View
09/21/17 9:25:44 PM
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Taharqa_ posted...
Nomadic View posted...
Taharqa_ posted...
Nomadic View posted...
He advocated for black people to be job creators and to not rely on handouts to survive. By today's standards Malcom X would be considered an Uncle Tom.

"If we own the stores, if we operate the businesses, if we try and establish some industry in our own community, then we're developing to the position where we are creating employment for our own kind. Once you gain control of the economy of your own community, then you don't have to picket and boycott and beg some [white person] downtown for a job in his business."

- Malcom X, Ballot or the Bullet speech.


No he wouldn't, shut up.

Malcolm X was no apologists for white supremacy and he was unapologetically black.


He is saying the exact same things that Larry Elder advocates. If you ever listen to Larry Elder the callers frequently accuse him of being an Uncle Tom.


Malcolm X would never defend Rush Limbaugh.


That is unknowable. Maybe, maybe not. What is knowable is that he advocated for black people to create businesses, work hard, and become a functional member of society. This is the philosophy of the GOP.
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C_Pain
09/21/17 9:28:23 PM
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he's muslim tho that means he's bad xD
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Taharqa_
09/21/17 9:29:39 PM
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TrollSlayer11 posted...
Nomadic View posted...
Taharqa_ posted...
Nomadic View posted...
He advocated for black people to be job creators and to not rely on handouts to survive. By today's standards Malcom X would be considered an Uncle Tom.

"If we own the stores, if we operate the businesses, if we try and establish some industry in our own community, then we're developing to the position where we are creating employment for our own kind. Once you gain control of the economy of your own community, then you don't have to picket and boycott and beg some [white person] downtown for a job in his business."

- Malcom X, Ballot or the Bullet speech.


No he wouldn't, shut up.

Malcolm X was no apologists for white supremacy and he was unapologetically black.


He is saying the exact same things that Larry Elder advocates. If you ever listen to Larry Elder the callers frequently accuse him of being an Uncle Tom.


So what? The callers are probably low IQ idiots. The average black person in America is a low self esteem liberal who seeks white validation at every turn and preaches a victim narrative.

Any time a black public figure preaches accountability, responsibility, or that black people are responsible for their own destinies they get called an "Uncle Tom" by other blacks.

That's a complement and a testament to his intelligence and honesty.


You know how I know when certain posters don't hang around black people?
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Ivynn
09/21/17 9:32:26 PM
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Nomadic View posted...
That is unknowable. Maybe, maybe not. What is knowable is that he advocated for black people to create businesses, work hard, and become a functional member of society.


Didn't he say that in the context of segregation tho? >_> Like he wanted black people to do all that because he wanted them completely cut off from white people?
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emblem boy
09/21/17 9:34:31 PM
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Nomadic View posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
Nomadic View posted...
Taharqa_ posted...
Nomadic View posted...
He advocated for black people to be job creators and to not rely on handouts to survive. By today's standards Malcom X would be considered an Uncle Tom.

"If we own the stores, if we operate the businesses, if we try and establish some industry in our own community, then we're developing to the position where we are creating employment for our own kind. Once you gain control of the economy of your own community, then you don't have to picket and boycott and beg some [white person] downtown for a job in his business."

- Malcom X, Ballot or the Bullet speech.


No he wouldn't, shut up.

Malcolm X was no apologists for white supremacy and he was unapologetically black.


He is saying the exact same things that Larry Elder advocates. If you ever listen to Larry Elder the callers frequently accuse him of being an Uncle Tom.


"today's standards?" elaborate.


You're not oppressed.
You're not inferior.
You are capable of controlling your own destiny.


How would Malcom X not say black people are opressed. He'd say black people should fight and work hard for their own peoole because they are opressed.
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Taharqa_
09/21/17 9:35:00 PM
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TrollSlayer11 posted...
Taharqa_ posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
Nomadic View posted...
Taharqa_ posted...
Nomadic View posted...
He advocated for black people to be job creators and to not rely on handouts to survive. By today's standards Malcom X would be considered an Uncle Tom.

"If we own the stores, if we operate the businesses, if we try and establish some industry in our own community, then we're developing to the position where we are creating employment for our own kind. Once you gain control of the economy of your own community, then you don't have to picket and boycott and beg some [white person] downtown for a job in his business."

- Malcom X, Ballot or the Bullet speech.


No he wouldn't, shut up.

Malcolm X was no apologists for white supremacy and he was unapologetically black.


He is saying the exact same things that Larry Elder advocates. If you ever listen to Larry Elder the callers frequently accuse him of being an Uncle Tom.


So what? The callers are probably low IQ idiots. The average black person in America is a low self esteem liberal who seeks white validation at every turn and preaches a victim narrative.

Any time a black public figure preaches accountability, responsibility, or that black people are responsible for their own destinies they get called an "Uncle Tom" by other blacks.

That's a complement and a testament to his intelligence and honesty.


You know how I know when certain posters don't hang around black people?


I'm black. Try again idiot.


Oh r'ly? How convenient. Maybe you just aren't socially conscious or aware, because if you were then you'd realize that there a many people talking about black empowerment and personal responsibility. I mean hell, do you go to a black barbershop and listen to people older than 35?
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TrollSlayer11
09/21/17 9:36:00 PM
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Ivynn posted...
Nomadic View posted...
That is unknowable. Maybe, maybe not. What is knowable is that he advocated for black people to create businesses, work hard, and become a functional member of society.


Didn't he say that in the context of segregation tho? >_> Like he wanted black people to do all that because he wanted them completely cut off from white people?


So? Statistically black people were better off under segregation. More businesses, INTACT family units, higher marriage rate than whites, lower crime, etc.

Except white people had to go destroy all the successful black neighborhoods like they did in Tulsa Oklahoma when they dragged black people out of their homes in a white mob and burned their homes and businesses to the ground.

I'm with the Hoteps black people should stop caring about whites/integration altogether. We need to just build for ourselves and fuck what anyone else thinks. The Chinese and Koreans do it and they're able to have their own communities and businesses and really successful and well educated families with high income and low crime.

Fighting racism isn't about begging white people for a seat at the table.
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MajinGoo
09/21/17 9:36:49 PM
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C_Pain posted...
he's muslim tho that means he's bad xD

It also means he is stupid.
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