Poll of the Day > Confirm or Deny, most pro life people are hypocrites

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UT1999 09/23/17 3:36:03 PM #1:	Are most of them in your opinion? I think all of us have heard of many politicians who will try their hardest to make it harder for women to get abortions but at the same time..... Confirm most pro life people, hypocrites in my opinion i disagree View Results ......will vote for legislation to cut or reduce programs that would have helped those unaborted children head start, food stamps, wic, etc. Sadly i think that this attitude is prevalent among people who are pro life. --- "Sometimes they even attack wounded foxes" <cite>UT1999 posted [p:887149899] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote> Are most of them in your opinion? I think all of us have heard of many politicians who will try their hardest to make it harder for women to get abortions but at the same time..... Confirm most pro life people, hypocrites in my opinion i disagree View Results ......will vote for legislation to cut or reduce programs that would have helped those unaborted children head start, food stamps, wic, etc. Sadly i think that this attitude is prevalent among people who are pro life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 09/23/17 3:37:46 PM #2:	D. Most pro life folk are not getting abortions themselves so thus not hypocrites. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - http://i.imgur.com/kDysIcd.gif <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:887149979] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote>D. Most pro life folk are not getting abortions themselves so thus not hypocrites.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 09/23/17 3:41:41 PM #3:	UT1999 posted... ......will vote for legislation to cut or reduce programs that would have helped those unaborted children head start, food stamps, wic, etc. Sadly i think that this attitude is prevalent among people who are pro life. A claim which makes no sense, especially since the religious are more likely to give to charity than the non-religious. That's overlooking the protestant work ethic that this nation was founded on which encouraged people to support themselves and their family. wwinterj25 posted... D. Most pro life folk are not getting abortions themselves so thus not hypocrites. This. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:887150188] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>UT1999 posted...</cite> <quote>......will vote for legislation to cut or reduce programs that would have helped those unaborted children head start, food stamps, wic, etc. Sadly i think that this attitude is prevalent among people who are pro life.</quote> A claim which makes no sense, especially since the religious are more likely to give to charity than the non-religious. That's overlooking the protestant work ethic that this nation was founded on which encouraged people to support themselves and their family. <cite>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>D. Most pro life folk are not getting abortions themselves so thus not hypocrites.</quote> This.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UT1999 09/23/17 3:48:44 PM #4:	i think both of you are getting too worked up over the exact meaning of the word hypocrisy. I think you get the gist of my idea and argument --- "Sometimes they even attack wounded foxes" <cite>UT1999 posted [p:887150530] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote>i think both of you are getting too worked up over the exact meaning of the word hypocrisy. I think you get the gist of my idea and argument</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 09/23/17 4:04:55 PM #5:	UT1999 posted... i think both of you are getting too worked up over the exact meaning of the word hypocrisy. I think you get the gist of my idea and argument Except we already explained how it doesn't conflict, which is the baseline test for whether something can be a hypocrisy. Frankly, you'd have more basis for accusing a vegan of being a hypocrite for driving a car because gas causes pollution which hurts animals. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:887151319] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>UT1999 posted...</cite> <quote>i think both of you are getting too worked up over the exact meaning of the word hypocrisy. I think you get the gist of my idea and argument</quote> Except we already explained how it doesn't conflict, which is the baseline test for whether something can be a hypocrisy. Frankly, you'd have more basis for accusing a vegan of being a hypocrite for driving a car because gas causes pollution which hurts animals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UT1999 09/23/17 4:05:42 PM #6:	so you don't have a problem with the many politicans who vote this way as i explained above? --- "Sometimes they even attack wounded foxes" <cite>UT1999 posted [p:887151357] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote>so you don't have a problem with the many politicans who vote this way as i explained above?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomak-54 09/23/17 4:07:10 PM #7:	No, because not all pro life people believe in that >_> --- Alter my state to get through this date - Alvvays http://i.imgur.com/BRGmYpZ.gif http://i.imgur.com/XRhIM8n.gifv <cite>Nomak-54 posted [p:887151434] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote>No, because not all pro life people believe in that >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 09/23/17 4:08:17 PM #8:	UT1999 posted... so you don't have a problem with the many politicans who vote this way as i explained above? No, for the reasons already stated. These are two separate issues and politicians WANT to see parents support their own damn kids because it teaches those kids to take care of themselves, as opposed to relying on the government. Also, to re-affirm my edit which you probably missed: Zeus posted... Frankly, you'd have more basis for accusing a vegan of being a hypocrite for driving a car because gas causes pollution which hurts animals. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:887151486] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>UT1999 posted...</cite> <quote>so you don't have a problem with the many politicans who vote this way as i explained above?</quote> No, for the reasons already stated. These are two separate issues and politicians WANT to see parents support their own damn kids because it teaches those kids to take care of themselves, as opposed to relying on the government. Also, to re-affirm my edit which you probably missed: <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Frankly, you'd have more basis for accusing a vegan of being a hypocrite for driving a car because gas causes pollution which hurts animals.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UT1999 09/23/17 4:08:17 PM #9:	not all? I didn't say all of them. You don't think over 50 percent? --- "Sometimes they even attack wounded foxes" <cite>UT1999 posted [p:887151487] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote>not all? I didn't say all of them. You don't think over 50 percent?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 09/23/17 4:09:42 PM #10:	There's nothing hypocritical about wanting people to behave responsibly. Don't get knocked up, don't have children you can't afford. It's not fucking rocket science. --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:887151577] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote>There's nothing hypocritical about wanting people to behave responsibly. Don't get knocked up, don't have children you can't afford. It's not fucking rocket science.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 09/23/17 4:12:02 PM #11:	Rasmoh posted... There's nothing hypocritical about wanting people to behave responsibly. Don't get knocked up, don't have children you can't afford. It's not fucking rocket science. tbh, in that regard it's actually MORE consistent to vote that way because pro-life and shrinking benefits both encourage accountability whereas voting pro-abort and increasing benefits is about shrinking responsibility. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:887151700] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>There's nothing hypocritical about wanting people to behave responsibly. Don't get knocked up, don't have children you can't afford. It's not fucking rocket science.</quote> tbh, in that regard it's actually MORE consistent to vote that way because pro-life and shrinking benefits both encourage accountability whereas voting pro-abort and increasing benefits is about shrinking responsibility.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sensual_T_Rex 09/23/17 4:20:55 PM #12:	wwinterj25 posted... D. Most pro life folk are not getting abortions themselves so thus not hypocrites. --- Babylon ah mosh up the sea and fear him da Rasta mon. <cite>Sensual_T_Rex posted [p:887152215] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>D. Most pro life folk are not getting abortions themselves so thus not hypocrites.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KJ StErOiDs 09/23/17 4:23:04 PM #13:	wwinterj25 posted... D. Most pro life folk are not getting abortions themselves so thus not hypocrites. --- A plethora of DKC-related fanart to numb your mind: http://kjsteroids.deviantart.com <cite>KJ StErOiDs posted [p:887152334] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>D. Most pro life folk are not getting abortions themselves so thus not hypocrites.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UT1999 09/23/17 4:25:14 PM #14:	semantics, you know what i meant --- "Sometimes they even attack wounded foxes" <cite>UT1999 posted [p:887152465] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote>semantics, you know what i meant</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sensual_T_Rex 09/23/17 4:34:14 PM #15:	UT1999 posted... semantics, you know what i meant Of course we do. You don't like pro lifers and want to make fun of them by calling them hypocrites. We're simply pointing out that your statement is wrong. --- Babylon ah mosh up the sea and fear him da Rasta mon. <cite>Sensual_T_Rex posted [p:887152985] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>UT1999 posted...</cite> <quote>semantics, you know what i meant</quote> Of course we do. You don't like pro lifers and want to make fun of them by calling them hypocrites. We're simply pointing out that your statement is wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Far-Queue 09/23/17 4:41:14 PM #16:	Zeus posted... Frankly, you'd have more basis for accusing a vegan of being a hypocrite for driving a car because gas causes pollution which hurts animals. Not to mention, it's next to impossible to find any motorized vehicle that does have some sort of animal product in it, as animal fats are used to make steel and rubber. I don't even think bicycles are free from "animal suffering" according to hardcore vegans. As far as I know, most are willing to accept that until something truly animal-free/cruelty-free comes along, they just have to use what's available and live with it. --- https://i.imgur.com/ZwO4qO2.gifv Bluer than velvet was the night... Softer than satin was the light... From the stars... <cite>Far-Queue posted [p:887153350] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Frankly, you'd have more basis for accusing a vegan of being a hypocrite for driving a car because gas causes pollution which hurts animals.</quote> Not to mention, it's next to impossible to find any motorized vehicle that does have some sort of animal product in it, as animal fats are used to make steel and rubber. I don't even think bicycles are free from "animal suffering" according to hardcore vegans. As far as I know, most are willing to accept that until something truly animal-free/cruelty-free comes along, they just have to use what's available and live with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianPaladin 09/23/17 4:43:47 PM #17:	pro using birth control here, condoms, diva cups, pill. Don't have more kids than your lifestyle and budget can afford without milking the damn taxpayers dime. --- 3DS: Jen 2380-2574-5132 MKX mobile: Khameleon "........" Snake-Eyes <cite>HylianPaladin posted [p:887153489] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote>pro using birth control here, condoms, diva cups, pill. Don't have more kids than your lifestyle and budget can afford without milking the damn taxpayers dime.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 09/23/17 4:51:13 PM #18:	UT1999 posted... Confirm or Deny, most pro life people are hypocrites In the sense that most people - regardless of what they claim to believe in (or not believe in) - are hypocrites, because hypocrisy seems to be an innate aspect of human nature in general, yes. In the specific context you are attempting to push, not really. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:887153882] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>UT1999 posted...</cite> <quote>Confirm or Deny, most pro life people are hypocrites</quote> In the sense that most people - regardless of what they claim to believe in (or not believe in) - are hypocrites, because hypocrisy seems to be an innate aspect of human nature in general, yes. In the specific context you are attempting to push, not really. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 09/23/17 4:55:17 PM #19:	wwinterj25 posted... D. Most pro life folk are not getting abortions themselves so thus not hypocrites. Except they'll promote the sanctity of life for something that isn't born yet only to stop caring about that life once it is born. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:887154090] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>D. Most pro life folk are not getting abortions themselves so thus not hypocrites.</quote> Except they'll promote the sanctity of life for something that isn't born yet only to stop caring about that life once it is born.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 09/23/17 4:57:47 PM #20:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... Except they'll promote the sanity of life for something that isn't born yet only to stop caring about that life once it is born. Why do liberals have such a hard time distinguishing between not caring and not wanting to promote an endless stream of handouts for irresponsible behavior? --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:887154208] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted...</cite> <quote>Except they'll promote the sanity of life for something that isn't born yet only to stop caring about that life once it is born.</quote> Why do liberals have such a hard time distinguishing between not caring and not wanting to promote an endless stream of handouts for irresponsible behavior?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yutterh 09/23/17 5:25:35 PM #21:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... wwinterj25 posted... D. Most pro life folk are not getting abortions themselves so thus not hypocrites. Except they'll promote the sanity of life for something that isn't born yet only to stop caring about that life once it is born. Because those people that had a baby should have the means of taking care of it. Accidents happen because your having unsafe sex. The idea is that you should take responsibility for your baby. Now I am sure most pro lifers agree that in the form of rape, danger to the mother, and I think incest. Abortions are fine. That how I feel about it too. But I am a pro choices because like my dad told me, it is better that people have a safe place to get the abortion instead of going into a ally with a coat hanger. But I do feel there should be restriction on abortions. I seen people use it as birth control. Which is terrible. She got like 5 abortions in two years. --- i7-5820K 3.3GHz, Asus X99-DELUXE, Corsair H110i GTX, 850 EVO 1TB, EVGA GTX 970 4GB FTW ACX2.0, Corsair 760T, EVGA 850W, Orion Spark, Proteus Core, Benq BL3200PT <cite>yutterh posted [p:887155535] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>D. Most pro life folk are not getting abortions themselves so thus not hypocrites.</quote> Except they'll promote the sanity of life for something that isn't born yet only to stop caring about that life once it is born.</quote> Because those people that had a baby should have the means of taking care of it. Accidents happen because your having unsafe sex. The idea is that you should take responsibility for your baby. Now I am sure most pro lifers agree that in the form of rape, danger to the mother, and I think incest. Abortions are fine. That how I feel about it too. But I am a pro choices because like my dad told me, it is better that people have a safe place to get the abortion instead of going into a ally with a coat hanger. But I do feel there should be restriction on abortions. I seen people use it as birth control. Which is terrible. She got like 5 abortions in two years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SKARDAVNELNATE 09/23/17 6:03:12 PM #22:	Rasmoh posted... Why do liberals have such a hard time distinguishing between not caring and not wanting to promote an endless stream of handouts for irresponsible behavior? That's if liberals care about the sanctity of life at all. Mainly the Democratic party just wants to create a class of people that is entirely dependent on the government. For them the more people having children they are unable to taking care of the better. yutterh posted... Because those people that had a baby should have the means of taking care of it. Exactly, if you can't provide a good quality of life then don't have children. Abortion is one way of being responsible. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:887157184] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>Why do liberals have such a hard time distinguishing between not caring and not wanting to promote an endless stream of handouts for irresponsible behavior?</quote> That's if liberals care about the sanctity of life at all. Mainly the Democratic party just wants to create a class of people that is entirely dependent on the government. For them the more people having children they are unable to taking care of the better. <cite>yutterh posted...</cite> <quote>Because those people that had a baby should have the means of taking care of it.</quote> Exactly, if you can't provide a good quality of life then don't have children. Abortion is one way of being responsible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 09/23/17 11:59:49 PM #23:	Zeus posted... politicians WANT to see parents support their own damn kids because it teaches those kids to take care of themselves, as opposed to relying on the government. So... why not let parents who can't support children abort those pregnancies? Abortion is making an effort to avoid relying on the government. Rasmoh posted... There's nothing hypocritical about wanting people to behave responsibly. Nah, just empirically blind. Abstinence-only sex ed doesn't work. Decades of evidence have proven this. What does work is easy access to birth control and the corresponding education, and yet you don't see any of these pro-life people campaigning for birth control subsidies. Most pro-life people aren't actually pro-life. They don't give a crap about that life. Not in any meaningful, practical way. They're anti-sex, and just want to see people punished for being dirty sex-havers. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:887174416] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>politicians WANT to see parents support their own damn kids because it teaches those kids to take care of themselves, as opposed to relying on the government. </quote> So... why not let parents who can't support children abort those pregnancies? Abortion is making an effort to avoid relying on the government. <cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>There's nothing hypocritical about wanting people to behave responsibly.</quote> Nah, just empirically blind. Abstinence-only sex ed doesn't work. Decades of evidence have proven this. What does work is easy access to birth control and the corresponding education, and yet you don't see any of these pro-life people campaigning for birth control subsidies. Most pro-life people aren't actually pro-life. They don't give a crap about that life. Not in any meaningful, practical way. They're anti-sex, and just want to see people punished for being dirty sex-havers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShadosAtPhoenix 09/24/17 1:08:09 AM #24:	Most people are hypocrites. So most <almost any given population> are hypocrites is generally true. <cite>ShadosAtPhoenix posted [p:887177378] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote>Most people are hypocrites. So most <almost any given population> are hypocrites is generally true.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 09/24/17 5:23:22 AM #25:	adjl posted... They don't give a crap about that life. Not in any meaningful, practical way. They do. Just because you don't consider living in a responsible and sustainable manner to be meaningful or practical doesn't mean that's not so. Giving people birth control doesn't work either because the people who are too stupid to not have kids they can't afford are also the people too stupid to remember to take a pill. I hope the day when we stop rewarding people for being moronic fuck-ups comes soon. --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:887184301] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>They don't give a crap about that life. Not in any meaningful, practical way.</quote> They do. Just because you don't consider living in a responsible and sustainable manner to be meaningful or practical doesn't mean that's not so. Giving people birth control doesn't work either because the people who are too stupid to not have kids they can't afford are also the people too stupid to remember to take a pill. I hope the day when we stop rewarding people for being moronic fuck-ups comes soon.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AllstarSniper32 09/24/17 6:38:54 AM #26:	Rasmoh posted... adjl posted... They don't give a crap about that life. Not in any meaningful, practical way. They do. Just because you don't consider living in a responsible and sustainable manner to be meaningful or practical doesn't mean that's not so. Giving people birth control doesn't work either because the people who are too stupid to not have kids they can't afford are also the people too stupid to remember to take a pill. I hope the day when we stop rewarding people for being moronic fuck-ups comes soon. People have abortions for many reasons, one of the reasons is because they can't afford or know they aren't ready to have a kid. But that's apparently not responsible to you or pro life people. Someone forgets to take the pill, welp, they can still have an abortion. Oh wait, no, you don't want them to, for some stupid reason. If someone has sex and gets pregnant, and they want an abortion, it's only that person's business and no one else's. Don't like it? Too bad. Anyone except that person is irrelevant to their decision. --- If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking systems, there would be a revolution before morning - Andrew Jackson <cite>AllstarSniper32 posted [p:887185705] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>They don't give a crap about that life. Not in any meaningful, practical way.</quote> They do. Just because you don't consider living in a responsible and sustainable manner to be meaningful or practical doesn't mean that's not so. Giving people birth control doesn't work either because the people who are too stupid to not have kids they can't afford are also the people too stupid to remember to take a pill. I hope the day when we stop rewarding people for being moronic fuck-ups comes soon.</quote> People have abortions for many reasons, one of the reasons is because they can't afford or know they aren't ready to have a kid. But that's apparently not responsible to you or pro life people. Someone forgets to take the pill, welp, they can still have an abortion. Oh wait, no, you don't want them to, for some stupid reason. If someone has sex and gets pregnant, and they want an abortion, it's only that person's business and no one else's. Don't like it? Too bad. Anyone except that person is irrelevant to their decision.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 09/24/17 6:48:01 AM #27:	AllstarSniper32 posted... People have abortions for many reasons, one of the reasons is because they can't afford or know they aren't ready to have a kid. But that's apparently not responsible to you or pro life people. Someone forgets to take the pill, welp, they can still have an abortion. Oh wait, no, you don't want them to, for some stupid reason. I'm not against abortion at all, actually. I thought I made that clear in this topic, but it turns out that was another topic. I am against paying for people's fuck-ups though. --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:887185893] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>AllstarSniper32 posted...</cite> <quote>People have abortions for many reasons, one of the reasons is because they can't afford or know they aren't ready to have a kid. But that's apparently not responsible to you or pro life people. Someone forgets to take the pill, welp, they can still have an abortion. Oh wait, no, you don't want them to, for some stupid reason.</quote> I'm not against abortion at all, actually. I thought I made that clear in this topic, but it turns out that was another topic. I am against paying for people's fuck-ups though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SomeUsername529 09/24/17 8:36:41 AM #28:	I think making abortion easy is detrimental to society but making it wholly illegal is wrong. Rape and incest are obvious morally just reasons. <cite>SomeUsername529 posted [p:887187983] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote>I think making abortion easy is detrimental to society but making it wholly illegal is wrong. Rape and incest are obvious morally just reasons.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 09/24/17 9:28:31 AM #29:	wwinterj25 posted... D. Most pro life folk are not getting abortions themselves so thus not hypocrites. I have known two pro-life men in my life that have accidentally gotten women pregnant and urged them to get an abortion. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:887189358] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>D. Most pro life folk are not getting abortions themselves so thus not hypocrites.</quote> I have known two pro-life men in my life that have accidentally gotten women pregnant and urged them to get an abortion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmegaM 09/24/17 9:38:41 AM #30:	I think that if you're pro-life from the moment of conception onward, you're a bit hypocritical if you're fine with the fact that a lot of fertilized eggs don't implant and pass out of the mother without her knowledge. If you think that all human organisms deserve to live, you can't just ignore a huge group of them that are dying for no reason. Maybe you should push for more funding of research into helping more fertilized eggs implant, even if it means taking away funding from research into "less important" diseases (whatever you think those might be). Since I can't make myself care about these fertilized eggs that fail to implant, I'll probably never be an extreme pro-lifer. As I said in that other topic, I'm okay with abortion at any time before birth, but that's largely because it's an easy line to draw. I'm fine with looking down on a woman who gets a late-term abortion because she wants to go on a ski trip, say---though I've read that almost no woman gets a late-term abortion for a frivolous reason like that. <cite>OmegaM posted [p:887189651] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote>I think that if you're pro-life from the moment of conception onward, you're a bit hypocritical if you're fine with the fact that a lot of fertilized eggs don't implant and pass out of the mother without her knowledge. If you think that all human organisms deserve to live, you can't just ignore a huge group of them that are dying for no reason. Maybe you should push for more funding of research into helping more fertilized eggs implant, even if it means taking away funding from research into "less important" diseases (whatever you think those might be). Since I can't make myself care about these fertilized eggs that fail to implant, I'll probably never be an extreme pro-lifer. As I said in that other topic, I'm okay with abortion at any time before birth, but that's largely because it's an easy line to draw. I'm fine with looking down on a woman who gets a late-term abortion because she wants to go on a ski trip, say---though I've read that almost no woman gets a late-term abortion for a frivolous reason like that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wah_wah_wah 09/24/17 11:44:24 AM #32:	Mr Hangman posted... It's their opinion that abortion is murder. It is helpful to consider the potential hypocrisy from that perspective. Is it hypocritical to outlaw murder, but not provide education or food to potential murder victims? No, I don't think so. If you shut off social services and access to food and healthcare to newly born babies, then your position to be out for the wellbeing of the baby is obviously farcical. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:887194644] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Hangman posted...</cite> <quote>It's their opinion that abortion is murder. It is helpful to consider the potential hypocrisy from that perspective. Is it hypocritical to outlaw murder, but not provide education or food to potential murder victims? No, I don't think so. </quote> If you shut off social services and access to food and healthcare to newly born babies, then your position to be out for the wellbeing of the baby is obviously farcical.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wah_wah_wah 09/24/17 11:59:47 AM #34:	Mr Hangman posted... The position is to oppose murder, not to be out for someone's well-being. Now I don't equate abortion with murder personally, but I don't think it's a crazy thing to think. Wanting to use force to stop murder is not the same as wanting to use force to provide for others well-being in every respect. They call it pro-life, not anti-abortion. You also assume that babies can only die in the womb and nowhere else. If a person cannot afford to have a baby and yet has a baby because of a law that only allows for birth and not care, then you're inevitably going to be ratcheting up infant deaths. To take a real look at that and think you're for the defense of human life... yeah you're a hypocrit. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:887195400] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Hangman posted...</cite> <quote>The position is to oppose murder, not to be out for someone's well-being. Now I don't equate abortion with murder personally, but I don't think it's a crazy thing to think. Wanting to use force to stop murder is not the same as wanting to use force to provide for others well-being in every respect.</quote> They call it pro-life, not anti-abortion. You also assume that babies can only die in the womb and nowhere else. If a person cannot afford to have a baby and yet has a baby because of a law that only allows for birth and not care, then you're inevitably going to be ratcheting up infant deaths. To take a real look at that and think you're for the defense of human life... yeah you're a hypocrit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wah_wah_wah 09/24/17 12:05:48 PM #36:	Mr Hangman posted... "Pro-life" is just a label that some marketer said sounds better. You're not going to capture people's true thoughts and feelings in one two-syllable phrase, that's bumper sticker politics. wah_wah_wah posted... You also assume that babies can only die in the womb and nowhere else. No I'm not. If a person cannot afford to have a baby and yet has a baby because of a law that only allows for birth and not care, Laws forbid things. Everything else is allowed. So letting an infant starve to death is allowed? lol wow <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:887195725] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Hangman posted...</cite> <quote>"Pro-life" is just a label that some marketer said sounds better. You're not going to capture people's true thoughts and feelings in one two-syllable phrase, that's bumper sticker politics. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote>You also assume that babies can only die in the womb and nowhere else.</quote> No I'm not. <quote> If a person cannot afford to have a baby and yet has a baby because of a law that only allows for birth and not care,</quote> Laws forbid things. Everything else is allowed.</quote> So letting an infant starve to death is allowed? lol wow</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 09/24/17 12:09:11 PM #37:	Also that is what they call themselves. That is what they apply to their own thoughts and actions. They call themselves pro-life. This isn't a label I'm forcing onto them. It is fair then to analyze whether they really care about human life or not. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:887195882] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote>Also that is what they call themselves. That is what they apply to their own thoughts and actions. They call themselves pro-life. This isn't a label I'm forcing onto them. It is fair then to analyze whether they really care about human life or not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wah_wah_wah 09/24/17 12:15:50 PM #39:	Mr Hangman posted... You are really intent into reading things I did not write. Letting an infant starve is not allowed, that is also forbidden by a different law. But forbidding that does not obligate the government to provide food though any particular mechanism I'm not reading into things, these are all logical consequences that spring out of your ideas. How is a person who is poor and has no money going to afford to care for a baby? Are we really going to put someone in jail because they don't make enough money? Isn't an intervention a better way to prevent needless deaths, particularly if this is about being pro-life (again, a label they use to describe their policies)? Mr Hangman posted... My objection is to your framing that treats the law as a prescription for how to live from which there's no deviation or options. Um, is that my prescription? I think you're talking about the pro-life position here, not my own. The hypocrisy comes in when it is so incomplete a prescription, and it stops right around the time when it would ask them to actually do something to stop the deaths and not the woman. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:887196231] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Hangman posted...</cite> <quote>You are really intent into reading things I did not write. Letting an infant starve is not allowed, that is also forbidden by a different law. But forbidding that does not obligate the government to provide food though any particular mechanism</quote> I'm not reading into things, these are all logical consequences that spring out of your ideas. How is a person who is poor and has no money going to afford to care for a baby? Are we really going to put someone in jail because they don't make enough money? Isn't an intervention a better way to prevent needless deaths, particularly if this is about being pro-life (again, a label they use to describe their policies)? <cite>Mr Hangman posted...</cite> <quote>My objection is to your framing that treats the law as a prescription for how to live from which there's no deviation or options. </quote> Um, is that my prescription? I think you're talking about the pro-life position here, not my own. The hypocrisy comes in when it is so incomplete a prescription, and it stops right around the time when it would ask them to actually do something to stop the deaths and not the woman.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkProto05 09/24/17 12:17:17 PM #40:	Rasmoh posted... There's nothing hypocritical about wanting people to behave responsibly. Don't get knocked up, don't have children you can't afford. It's not fucking rocket science. People can get knocked up and have abortions all they want. It's not your business or decision to make. --- Alpha Sapphire FC: 2552 5569 3267 <cite>DarkProto05 posted [p:887196314] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>There's nothing hypocritical about wanting people to behave responsibly. Don't get knocked up, don't have children you can't afford. It's not fucking rocket science.</quote> People can get knocked up and have abortions all they want. It's not your business or decision to make.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
faramir77 09/24/17 12:19:33 PM #41:	Absolutely. "Abortions should be illegal." > Okay, then we should increase funding for affordable child care, foster care, and education. "No, we already pay enough in taxes." > Then let's reduce spending on things that already get way more funding than necessary, like the military. "No, we need a strong military. People who don't want kids should be more careful in not getting pregnant." > Agreed, but unwanted pregnancies are happening anyway. We should improve sex education and provide affordable birth control to low income people. "No, that's immoral. People should just not have sex." > Abstinence-only education has repeatedly proven to be a failure. This issue has already been settled. More people will have unwanted pregnancies. "Yeah, but abortions should be illegal." --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiCtAUrZbUk -- Defeating the Running Man of Ocarina of Time in a race since 01/17/2009. -- <cite>faramir77 posted [p:887196424] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote>Absolutely. "Abortions should be illegal." > Okay, then we should increase funding for affordable child care, foster care, and education. "No, we already pay enough in taxes." > Then let's reduce spending on things that already get way more funding than necessary, like the military. "No, we need a strong military. People who don't want kids should be more careful in not getting pregnant." > Agreed, but unwanted pregnancies are happening anyway. We should improve sex education and provide affordable birth control to low income people. "No, that's immoral. People should just not have sex." > Abstinence-only education has repeatedly proven to be a failure. This issue has already been settled. More people will have unwanted pregnancies. "Yeah, but abortions should be illegal."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeerOnTap 09/24/17 12:31:10 PM #42:	You can be against murdering children in the womb and stealing money from people to redistribute (and don't forget the government always gets its cut). You can believe in helping people, while also believing that help should not come from government, but rather from private charities, churches, and communities. Things in life don't have to be so binary just because you say they are. <cite>BeerOnTap posted [p:887196988] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote>You can be against murdering children in the womb and stealing money from people to redistribute (and don't forget the government always gets its cut). You can believe in helping people, while also believing that help should not come from government, but rather from private charities, churches, and communities. Things in life don't have to be so binary just because you say they are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
faramir77 09/24/17 12:32:10 PM #43:	BeerOnTap posted... You can believe in helping people, while also believing that help should not come from government, but rather from private charities, churches, and communities. lmfao --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiCtAUrZbUk -- Defeating the Running Man of Ocarina of Time in a race since 01/17/2009. -- <cite>faramir77 posted [p:887197036] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>BeerOnTap posted...</cite> <quote>You can believe in helping people, while also believing that help should not come from government, but rather from private charities, churches, and communities. </quote> lmfao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gguirao 09/24/17 1:36:04 PM #45:	wwinterj25 posted... D. Most pro life folk are not getting abortions themselves so thus not hypocrites. --- Donald J. Trump--proof against government intelligence. <cite>gguirao posted [p:887200475] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>D. Most pro life folk are not getting abortions themselves so thus not hypocrites.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 09/24/17 1:53:50 PM #46:	Rasmoh posted... Just because you don't consider living in a responsible and sustainable manner to be meaningful or practical doesn't mean that's not so. That has nothing to do with the point I made. Please try again. Rasmoh posted... Giving people birth control doesn't work either because the people who are too stupid to not have kids they can't afford are also the people too stupid to remember to take a pill. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/06/science/colorados-push-against-teenage-pregnancies-is-a-startling-success.html?mcubz=0 TL;DR: Give poor people free IUD's, teen pregnancy rates drop by 40%, with similar decreases in other unwanted pregnancies. 40% is huge. Giving people birth control works better than anything else that has ever been tried. You want to cut down on the number of abortions happening? Help people avoid getting pregnant in the first place. That, and the pill can fail for reasons beyond forgetting a pill. All birth control can fail for reasons beyond preventable user error. Minimizing user error (through effective education) can reduce that failure rate, but you're absolutely wrong to think that the only way somebody using birth control can get pregnant is to screw up. Rasmoh posted... I hope the day when we stop rewarding people for being moronic f*-ups comes soon. Helping people fix their mistakes is not rewarding them for making them. It's mitigating the impact of the mistake. What you're saying there is analogous to saying "you think tripping means you're entitled to have somebody hold your hand for a few seconds?" and refusing to offer the person a hand to get back up. That person doesn't really care about having their hand held, they care about having some support to get back up. Mr Hangman posted... The position is to oppose murder, not to be out for someone's well-being. Opposing murder requires you to assign some inherent value to life. If you're assigning inherent value to life, then you should also be taking measures to ensure that everyone's life has that value you're assigning. Now, the bar for "your life is good enough that you wouldn't be better off being murdered" is pretty low, so that's not exactly hard to do, but that's still something that is crucial to keep in mind if you want to be logically consistent. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:887201441] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>Just because you don't consider living in a responsible and sustainable manner to be meaningful or practical doesn't mean that's not so. </quote> That has nothing to do with the point I made. Please try again. <cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>Giving people birth control doesn't work either because the people who are too stupid to not have kids they can't afford are also the people too stupid to remember to take a pill.</quote> https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/06/science/colorados-push-against-teenage-pregnancies-is-a-startling-success.html?mcubz=0 TL;DR: Give poor people free IUD's, teen pregnancy rates drop by 40%, with similar decreases in other unwanted pregnancies. 40% is huge. Giving people birth control works better than anything else that has ever been tried. You want to cut down on the number of abortions happening? Help people avoid getting pregnant in the first place. That, and the pill can fail for reasons beyond forgetting a pill. All birth control can fail for reasons beyond preventable user error. Minimizing user error (through effective education) can reduce that failure rate, but you're absolutely wrong to think that the only way somebody using birth control can get pregnant is to screw up. <cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>I hope the day when we stop rewarding people for being moronic f*-ups comes soon.</quote> Helping people fix their mistakes is not rewarding them for making them. It's mitigating the impact of the mistake. What you're saying there is analogous to saying "you think tripping means you're entitled to have somebody hold your hand for a few seconds?" and refusing to offer the person a hand to get back up. That person doesn't really care about having their hand held, they care about having some support to get back up. <cite>Mr Hangman posted...</cite> <quote>The position is to oppose murder, not to be out for someone's well-being.</quote> Opposing murder requires you to assign some inherent value to life. If you're assigning inherent value to life, then you should also be taking measures to ensure that everyone's life has that value you're assigning. Now, the bar for "your life is good enough that you wouldn't be better off being murdered" is pretty low, so that's not exactly hard to do, but that's still something that is crucial to keep in mind if you want to be logically consistent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 09/24/17 1:58:53 PM #47:	wah_wah_wah posted... I have known two pro-life men in my life that have accidentally gotten women pregnant and urged them to get an abortion. Did they just slip or something? --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - http://i.imgur.com/kDysIcd.gif <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:887201750] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote>I have known two pro-life men in my life that have accidentally gotten women pregnant and urged them to get an abortion.</quote> Did they just slip or something?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smarkil 09/24/17 2:01:43 PM #48:	Your argument would make more sense if you pointed out that they are often against birth control and sex education. Although, I'm not even sure if that's the case anymore outside of religious fundamentalists. --- "We're not even close" - Romans building Rome at the end of Day 1 <cite>Smarkil posted [p:887201899] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote>Your argument would make more sense if you pointed out that they are often against birth control and sex education. Although, I'm not even sure if that's the case anymore outside of religious fundamentalists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeerOnTap 09/24/17 2:20:08 PM #49:	faramir77 posted... BeerOnTap posted... You can believe in helping people, while also believing that help should not come from government, but rather from private charities, churches, and communities. lmfao ^Didn't add anything to the discussion. <cite>BeerOnTap posted [p:887202934] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>faramir77 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BeerOnTap posted...</cite> <quote>You can believe in helping people, while also believing that help should not come from government, but rather from private charities, churches, and communities. </quote> lmfao</quote> ^Didn't add anything to the discussion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 09/24/17 2:42:25 PM #50:	wwinterj25 posted... wah_wah_wah posted... I have known two pro-life men in my life that have accidentally gotten women pregnant and urged them to get an abortion. Did they just slip or something? Obviously not. Try to think this one out. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:887204362] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote>I have known two pro-life men in my life that have accidentally gotten women pregnant and urged them to get an abortion.</quote> Did they just slip or something?</quote> Obviously not. Try to think this one out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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