Poll of the Day > Confirm or Deny, most pro life people are hypocrites

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wah_wah_wah 09/24/17 2:43:22 PM #51:	BeerOnTap posted... faramir77 posted... BeerOnTap posted... You can believe in helping people, while also believing that help should not come from government, but rather from private charities, churches, and communities. lmfao ^Didn't add anything to the discussion. There's nothing to add to that point but laughter. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:887204409] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>BeerOnTap posted...</cite> <quote><cite>faramir77 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BeerOnTap posted...</cite> <quote>You can believe in helping people, while also believing that help should not come from government, but rather from private charities, churches, and communities. </quote> lmfao</quote> ^Didn't add anything to the discussion.</quote> There's nothing to add to that point but laughter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smarkil 09/24/17 2:58:45 PM #52:	wah_wah_wah posted... BeerOnTap posted... faramir77 posted... BeerOnTap posted... You can believe in helping people, while also believing that help should not come from government, but rather from private charities, churches, and communities. lmfao ^Didn't add anything to the discussion. There's nothing to add to that point but laughter. Do you legitimately not understand the difference between the government and private charities? Hold up fam, do you think the government is a charity? --- "We're not even close" - Romans building Rome at the end of Day 1 <cite>Smarkil posted [p:887205289] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BeerOnTap posted...</cite> <quote><cite>faramir77 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BeerOnTap posted...</cite> <quote>You can believe in helping people, while also believing that help should not come from government, but rather from private charities, churches, and communities. </quote> lmfao</quote> ^Didn't add anything to the discussion.</quote> There's nothing to add to that point but laughter.</quote> Do you legitimately not understand the difference between the government and private charities? Hold up fam, do you think the government is a charity?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UT1999 09/24/17 3:03:21 PM #53:	so? it seems like the govt or many politicians believe it is their business to make it harder for women to get abortions then after that say oh the government is not a charity, taking care of those or providing support for those children is not our business. Which is it? Is that shit the government's business or not? How hard is that to understand? --- "Sometimes they even attack wounded foxes" <cite>UT1999 posted [p:887205585] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote>so? it seems like the govt or many politicians believe it is their business to make it harder for women to get abortions then after that say oh the government is not a charity, taking care of those or providing support for those children is not our business. Which is it? Is that shit the government's business or not? How hard is that to understand?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 09/24/17 3:06:27 PM #54:	UT1999 posted... so? it seems like the govt or many politicians believe it is their business to make it harder for women to get abortions then after that say oh the government is not a charity, taking care of those or providing support for those children is not our business. Which is it? Is that shit the government's business or not? How hard is that to understand? Also why is it up to private charities to support the kids, when its the laws of government that are forcing people to have them in the first place? <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:887205757] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>UT1999 posted...</cite> <quote>so? it seems like the govt or many politicians believe it is their business to make it harder for women to get abortions then after that say oh the government is not a charity, taking care of those or providing support for those children is not our business. Which is it? Is that shit the government's business or not? How hard is that to understand?</quote> Also why is it up to private charities to support the kids, when its the laws of government that are forcing people to have them in the first place?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dikitain 09/24/17 4:09:38 PM #55:	Smarkil posted... wah_wah_wah posted... BeerOnTap posted... faramir77 posted... BeerOnTap posted... You can believe in helping people, while also believing that help should not come from government, but rather from private charities, churches, and communities. lmfao ^Didn't add anything to the discussion. There's nothing to add to that point but laughter. Do you legitimately not understand the difference between the government and private charities? Hold up fam, do you think the government is a charity? Government is essentially a charity that forces you to donate to them at gunpoint. --- I am a senior software engineer. If you see me post here, I am tired of writing TPS reports. <cite>Dikitain posted [p:887209628] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smarkil posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BeerOnTap posted...</cite> <quote><cite>faramir77 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BeerOnTap posted...</cite> <quote>You can believe in helping people, while also believing that help should not come from government, but rather from private charities, churches, and communities. </quote> lmfao</quote> ^Didn't add anything to the discussion.</quote> There's nothing to add to that point but laughter.</quote> Do you legitimately not understand the difference between the government and private charities? Hold up fam, do you think the government is a charity?</quote> Government is essentially a charity that forces you to donate to them at gunpoint.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 09/24/17 4:20:24 PM #56:	Dikitain posted... Smarkil posted... wah_wah_wah posted... BeerOnTap posted... faramir77 posted... BeerOnTap posted... You can believe in helping people, while also believing that help should not come from government, but rather from private charities, churches, and communities. lmfao ^Didn't add anything to the discussion. There's nothing to add to that point but laughter. Do you legitimately not understand the difference between the government and private charities? Hold up fam, do you think the government is a charity? Government is essentially a charity that forces you to donate to them at gunpoint. Sounds like this government stuff is bad news. Maybe they shouldn't be in charge of making reproductive decisions for the entire population. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:887210339] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dikitain posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smarkil posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BeerOnTap posted...</cite> <quote><cite>faramir77 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BeerOnTap posted...</cite> <quote>You can believe in helping people, while also believing that help should not come from government, but rather from private charities, churches, and communities. </quote> lmfao</quote> ^Didn't add anything to the discussion.</quote> There's nothing to add to that point but laughter.</quote> Do you legitimately not understand the difference between the government and private charities? Hold up fam, do you think the government is a charity?</quote> Government is essentially a charity that forces you to donate to them at gunpoint.</quote> Sounds like this government stuff is bad news. Maybe they shouldn't be in charge of making reproductive decisions for the entire population.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 09/24/17 5:44:27 PM #57:	Yes, I think most of them are hypocrites. --- http://i.imgur.com/4ihiyS2.jpg "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:887215535] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote>Yes, I think most of them are hypocrites.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UT1999 09/24/17 5:46:03 PM #58:	Jen0125 posted... Yes, I think most of them are hypocrites. i agree completely. Do you believe in abortion on demand? --- "Sometimes they even attack wounded foxes" <cite>UT1999 posted [p:887215622] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jen0125 posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, I think most of them are hypocrites.</quote> i agree completely. Do you believe in abortion on demand?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 09/24/17 5:47:27 PM #59:	I believe abortion should be legal and people should have access to the procedure if they desire. --- http://i.imgur.com/4ihiyS2.jpg "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:887215711] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote>I believe abortion should be legal and people should have access to the procedure if they desire.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 09/24/17 5:51:39 PM #60:	That's a difficult question to answer. I think a lot of pro-life politicians are hypocritical for that reason, and perhaps in a meta sense that applies to the general pro-life population, but I don't think there's anything inherently hypocritical in their views (which would best be summed up as "You shouldn't do the deed if you can't face the consequences; you can't kill an unborn kid or expect the state to bail you out if you get knocked up - go raise them yourself, or give them up for adoption"). I disagree with that view, but I don't see any logical inconsistency in it. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:887215959] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote>That's a difficult question to answer. I think a lot of pro-life politicians are hypocritical for that reason, and perhaps in a meta sense that applies to the general pro-life population, but I don't think there's anything inherently hypocritical in their views (which would best be summed up as "You shouldn't do the deed if you can't face the consequences; you can't kill an unborn kid or expect the state to bail you out if you get knocked up - go raise them yourself, or give them up for adoption"). I disagree with that view, but I don't see any logical inconsistency in it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AllstarSniper32 09/24/17 7:26:30 PM #61:	faramir77 posted... Absolutely. "Abortions should be illegal." > Okay, then we should increase funding for affordable child care, foster care, and education. "No, we already pay enough in taxes." > Then let's reduce spending on things that already get way more funding than necessary, like the military. "No, we need a strong military. People who don't want kids should be more careful in not getting pregnant." > Agreed, but unwanted pregnancies are happening anyway. We should improve sex education and provide affordable birth control to low income people. "No, that's immoral. People should just not have sex." > Abstinence-only education has repeatedly proven to be a failure. This issue has already been settled. More people will have unwanted pregnancies. "Yeah, but abortions should be illegal." lol, this is great! --- If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking systems, there would be a revolution before morning - Andrew Jackson <cite>AllstarSniper32 posted [p:887221181] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>faramir77 posted...</cite> <quote>Absolutely. "Abortions should be illegal." > Okay, then we should increase funding for affordable child care, foster care, and education. "No, we already pay enough in taxes." > Then let's reduce spending on things that already get way more funding than necessary, like the military. "No, we need a strong military. People who don't want kids should be more careful in not getting pregnant." > Agreed, but unwanted pregnancies are happening anyway. We should improve sex education and provide affordable birth control to low income people. "No, that's immoral. People should just not have sex." > Abstinence-only education has repeatedly proven to be a failure. This issue has already been settled. More people will have unwanted pregnancies. "Yeah, but abortions should be illegal."</quote> lol, this is great!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 09/24/17 7:31:15 PM #62:	AllstarSniper32 posted... lol, this is great! Only if you like strawmans and putting words in people's mouth. The lengths that liberals will go to to hand money to people who do nothing but fuck up is truly incredible. Just stop giving money to people who have kids they can't afford. Stop rewarding shit behavior. --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:887221493] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>AllstarSniper32 posted...</cite> <quote>lol, this is great!</quote> Only if you like strawmans and putting words in people's mouth. The lengths that liberals will go to to hand money to people who do nothing but fuck up is truly incredible. Just stop giving money to people who have kids they can't afford. Stop rewarding shit behavior.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AllstarSniper32 09/24/17 7:33:04 PM #63:	Rasmoh posted... Stop rewarding shit behavior. I don't reward pro-life people. So I'm already doing what you said. --- If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking systems, there would be a revolution before morning - Andrew Jackson <cite>AllstarSniper32 posted [p:887221587] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>Stop rewarding shit behavior.</quote> I don't reward pro-life people. So I'm already doing what you said.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 09/24/17 7:44:01 PM #64:	AllstarSniper32 posted... I don't reward pro-life people. So I'm already doing what you said. Said AllStarSniper32, as he clapped his hands at the heroin addict shooting drugs into his scrotum, secure in the knowledge that his future HIV meds would be paid for by the tax dollars of people who struggle to keep a roof over their heads. --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:887222188] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>AllstarSniper32 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't reward pro-life people. So I'm already doing what you said.</quote> Said AllStarSniper32, as he clapped his hands at the heroin addict shooting drugs into his scrotum, secure in the knowledge that his future HIV meds would be paid for by the tax dollars of people who struggle to keep a roof over their heads.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AllstarSniper32 09/24/17 7:56:50 PM #65:	I didn't realize all people who wanted abortions were heroin addicts. That sure is an eye opener. This topic is about abortion and not drug use right? Or do you not know the difference? Or are you saying WIC does things that help drug addicts and not children? --- If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking systems, there would be a revolution before morning - Andrew Jackson <cite>AllstarSniper32 posted [p:887222946] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote>I didn't realize all people who wanted abortions were heroin addicts. That sure is an eye opener. This topic is about abortion and not drug use right? Or do you not know the difference? Or are you saying WIC does things that help drug addicts and not children?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_AdjI_ 09/24/17 8:19:12 PM #66:	Rasmoh posted... AllstarSniper32 posted... I don't reward pro-life people. So I'm already doing what you said. Said AllStarSniper32, as he clapped his hands at the heroin addict shooting drugs into his scrotum, secure in the knowledge that his future HIV meds would be paid for by the tax dollars of people who struggle to keep a roof over their heads. You're one of those people that thinks the worst examples of people abusing a system are representative of all people that use the system, aren't you? Which I guess makes you a child pornographer, because you're using the Internet. <cite>_AdjI_ posted [p:887224167] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AllstarSniper32 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't reward pro-life people. So I'm already doing what you said.</quote> Said AllStarSniper32, as he clapped his hands at the heroin addict shooting drugs into his scrotum, secure in the knowledge that his future HIV meds would be paid for by the tax dollars of people who struggle to keep a roof over their heads.</quote> You're one of those people that thinks the worst examples of people abusing a system are representative of all people that use the system, aren't you? Which I guess makes you a child pornographer, because you're using the Internet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UT1999 09/24/17 9:44:07 PM #67:	_AdjI_ posted... Rasmoh posted... AllstarSniper32 posted... I don't reward pro-life people. So I'm already doing what you said. Said AllStarSniper32, as he clapped his hands at the heroin addict shooting drugs into his scrotum, secure in the knowledge that his future HIV meds would be paid for by the tax dollars of people who struggle to keep a roof over their heads. You're one of those people that thinks the worst examples of people abusing a system are representative of all people that use the system, aren't you? Which I guess makes you a child pornographer, because you're using the Internet. yeah i agree with what you said adj --- "Sometimes they even attack wounded foxes" <cite>UT1999 posted [p:887229781] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AllstarSniper32 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't reward pro-life people. So I'm already doing what you said.</quote> Said AllStarSniper32, as he clapped his hands at the heroin addict shooting drugs into his scrotum, secure in the knowledge that his future HIV meds would be paid for by the tax dollars of people who struggle to keep a roof over their heads.</quote> You're one of those people that thinks the worst examples of people abusing a system are representative of all people that use the system, aren't you? Which I guess makes you a child pornographer, because you're using the Internet.</quote> yeah i agree with what you said adj</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
faramir77 09/24/17 11:39:59 PM #68:	Rasmoh posted... Just stop giving money to people who have kids they can't afford. Stop rewarding shit behavior. "Children born to uneducated parents that weren't allowed to correct their mistake by having an abortion should be forced to starve to death because their parents are poor." --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiCtAUrZbUk -- Defeating the Running Man of Ocarina of Time in a race since 01/17/2009. -- <cite>faramir77 posted [p:887237547] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>Just stop giving money to people who have kids they can't afford. Stop rewarding shit behavior.</quote> "Children born to uneducated parents that weren't allowed to correct their mistake by having an abortion should be forced to starve to death because their parents are poor."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AllstarSniper32 09/24/17 11:54:38 PM #69:	_AdjI_ posted... Rasmoh posted... Said AllStarSniper32, as he clapped his hands at the heroin addict shooting drugs into his scrotum, secure in the knowledge that his future HIV meds would be paid for by the tax dollars of people who struggle to keep a roof over their heads. You're one of those people that thinks the worst examples of people abusing a system are representative of all people that use the system, aren't you? Which I guess makes you a child pornographer, because you're using the Internet. This faramir77 posted... Rasmoh posted... Just stop giving money to people who have kids they can't afford. Stop rewarding shit behavior. "Children born to uneducated parents that weren't allowed to correct their mistake by having an abortion should be forced to starve to death because their parents are poor." And this. --- If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking systems, there would be a revolution before morning - Andrew Jackson <cite>AllstarSniper32 posted [p:887238257] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>_AdjI_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>Said AllStarSniper32, as he clapped his hands at the heroin addict shooting drugs into his scrotum, secure in the knowledge that his future HIV meds would be paid for by the tax dollars of people who struggle to keep a roof over their heads.</quote> You're one of those people that thinks the worst examples of people abusing a system are representative of all people that use the system, aren't you? Which I guess makes you a child pornographer, because you're using the Internet.</quote> This <cite>faramir77 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>Just stop giving money to people who have kids they can't afford. Stop rewarding shit behavior.</quote> "Children born to uneducated parents that weren't allowed to correct their mistake by having an abortion should be forced to starve to death because their parents are poor."</quote> And this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 09/25/17 8:15:50 PM #70:	adjl posted... Zeus posted... politicians WANT to see parents support their own damn kids because it teaches those kids to take care of themselves, as opposed to relying on the government. So... why not let parents who can't support children abort those pregnancies? Abortion is making an effort to avoid relying on the government. Unlikely, considering the types of people who rely on the government to take care of their kids are generally the same people who have kids to get government subsidies. You'll hear people complain about kids already receiving SNAP benefits getting free lunches but, as I always point out, that's the ONLY food guaranteed to be going to the kid. faramir77 posted... Rasmoh posted... Just stop giving money to people who have kids they can't afford. Stop rewarding shit behavior. "Children born to uneducated parents that weren't allowed to correct their mistake by having an abortion should be forced to starve to death because their parents are poor." Or just take the kids away. Honestly, CPS isn't used enough in this day and age given how many fucking awful parents there are. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:887287231] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>politicians WANT to see parents support their own damn kids because it teaches those kids to take care of themselves, as opposed to relying on the government. </quote> So... why not let parents who can't support children abort those pregnancies? Abortion is making an effort to avoid relying on the government. </quote> Unlikely, considering the types of people who rely on the government to take care of their kids are generally the same people who have kids to get government subsidies. You'll hear people complain about kids already receiving SNAP benefits getting free lunches but, as I always point out, that's the ONLY food guaranteed to be going to the kid. <cite>faramir77 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>Just stop giving money to people who have kids they can't afford. Stop rewarding shit behavior.</quote> "Children born to uneducated parents that weren't allowed to correct their mistake by having an abortion should be forced to starve to death because their parents are poor."</quote> Or just take the kids away. Honestly, CPS isn't used enough in this day and age given how many fucking awful parents there are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
faramir77 09/25/17 10:00:29 PM #71:	Zeus posted... Or just take the kids away. Honestly, CPS isn't used enough in this day and age given how many fucking awful parents there are. Cost of feeding a child for a month: $200 Cost of CPS protection for a child for a month: $1000+ Tell me more about how that's the fiscally conservative choice. --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiCtAUrZbUk -- Defeating the Running Man of Ocarina of Time in a race since 01/17/2009. -- <cite>faramir77 posted [p:887293705] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Or just take the kids away. Honestly, CPS isn't used enough in this day and age given how many fucking awful parents there are.</quote> Cost of feeding a child for a month: $200 Cost of CPS protection for a child for a month: $1000+ Tell me more about how that's the fiscally conservative choice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AllstarSniper32 09/25/17 10:57:24 PM #72:	faramir77 posted... Zeus posted... Or just take the kids away. Honestly, CPS isn't used enough in this day and age given how many fucking awful parents there are. Cost of feeding a child for a month: $200 Cost of CPS protection for a child for a month: $1000+ Tell me more about how that's the fiscally conservative choice. Even though what zeus posted is stupid, there's more cost a month to take care of a child than just food. --- If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking systems, there would be a revolution before morning - Andrew Jackson <cite>AllstarSniper32 posted [p:887296948] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>faramir77 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Or just take the kids away. Honestly, CPS isn't used enough in this day and age given how many fucking awful parents there are.</quote> Cost of feeding a child for a month: $200 Cost of CPS protection for a child for a month: $1000+ Tell me more about how that's the fiscally conservative choice.</quote> Even though what zeus posted is stupid, there's more cost a month to take care of a child than just food.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 09/25/17 11:30:39 PM #73:	Zeus posted... Unlikely, considering the types of people who rely on the government to take care of their kids are generally the same people who have kids to get government subsidies. Then who do you think want abortions, if not people who can't support an unintended pregnancy? Do you think pro-choicers all have a fetish for extra-heavy periods, so they deliberately have unprotected sex to get pregnant so they can have an abortion and enjoy the bonus vaginal bleeding? AllstarSniper32 posted... Even though what zeus posted is stupid, there's more cost a month to take care of a child than just food. That's sort of the point. It's far, far more economical for the government to provide money to feed the children than it is to take on all of their care via CPS. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:887298943] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Unlikely, considering the types of people who rely on the government to take care of their kids are generally the same people who have kids to get government subsidies.</quote> Then who do you think want abortions, if not people who can't support an unintended pregnancy? Do you think pro-choicers all have a fetish for extra-heavy periods, so they deliberately have unprotected sex to get pregnant so they can have an abortion and enjoy the bonus vaginal bleeding? <cite>AllstarSniper32 posted...</cite> <quote>Even though what zeus posted is stupid, there's more cost a month to take care of a child than just food.</quote> That's sort of the point. It's far, far more economical for the government to provide money to feed the children than it is to take on all of their care via CPS.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 09/27/17 10:58:43 PM #74:	faramir77 posted... Zeus posted... Or just take the kids away. Honestly, CPS isn't used enough in this day and age given how many fucking awful parents there are. Cost of feeding a child for a month: $200 Cost of CPS protection for a child for a month: $1000+ Tell me more about how that's the fiscally conservative choice. Keep in mind that they get far more subsidies than just SNAP and those subsidies are often misused for personal benefit. Nor did I say that was the fiscally conservative option although, all things considered, it COULD be depending on how care was administered. adjl posted... Zeus posted... Unlikely, considering the types of people who rely on the government to take care of their kids are generally the same people who have kids to get government subsidies. Then who do you think want abortions, if not people who can't support an unintended pregnancy? Do you think pro-choicers all have a fetish for extra-heavy periods, so they deliberately have unprotected sex to get pregnant so they can have an abortion and enjoy the bonus vaginal bleeding? And it's not the child's fault, so why is the child the victim in that scenario? adjl posted... AllstarSniper32 posted... Even though what zeus posted is stupid, there's more cost a month to take care of a child than just food. That's sort of the point. It's far, far more economical for the government to provide money to feed the children than it is to take on all of their care via CPS. Again, if it was just SNAP/EBT, that wouldn't be an issue. However, there are a LOT of additional money they're able to get as a result. In many cases, it's enough for a single-mom to be a stay-at-home mom... and those same stay-at-homes are pushing for after-school daycare. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:887421663] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>faramir77 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Or just take the kids away. Honestly, CPS isn't used enough in this day and age given how many fucking awful parents there are.</quote> Cost of feeding a child for a month: $200 Cost of CPS protection for a child for a month: $1000+ Tell me more about how that's the fiscally conservative choice.</quote> Keep in mind that they get far more subsidies than just SNAP and those subsidies are often misused for personal benefit. Nor did I say that was the fiscally conservative option although, all things considered, it COULD be depending on how care was administered. <cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Unlikely, considering the types of people who rely on the government to take care of their kids are generally the same people who have kids to get government subsidies.</quote> Then who do you think want abortions, if not people who can't support an unintended pregnancy? Do you think pro-choicers all have a fetish for extra-heavy periods, so they deliberately have unprotected sex to get pregnant so they can have an abortion and enjoy the bonus vaginal bleeding?</quote> And it's not the child's fault, so why is the child the victim in that scenario? <cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AllstarSniper32 posted...</cite> <quote>Even though what zeus posted is stupid, there's more cost a month to take care of a child than just food.</quote> That's sort of the point. It's far, far more economical for the government to provide money to feed the children than it is to take on all of their care via CPS.</quote> Again, if it was just SNAP/EBT, that wouldn't be an issue. However, there are a LOT of additional money they're able to get as a result. In many cases, it's enough for a single-mom to be a stay-at-home mom... and those same stay-at-homes are pushing for after-school daycare.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 09/27/17 11:07:17 PM #75:	Zeus posted... And it's not the child's fault, so why is the child the victim in that scenario? That's not an answer to the question I asked at all. Please answer the question I asked before presenting a new topic of discussion. It's only polite. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:887422099] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>And it's not the child's fault, so why is the child the victim in that scenario? </quote> That's not an answer to the question I asked at all. Please answer the question I asked before presenting a new topic of discussion. It's only polite.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 09/27/17 11:18:14 PM #76:	adjl posted... Zeus posted... And it's not the child's fault, so why is the child the victim in that scenario? That's not an answer to the question I asked at all. Please answer the question I asked before presenting a new topic of discussion. It's only polite. Because your "argument" is based on any number of faulty premises. First, you're assuming that everybody who has an abortion can't afford the baby, which is demonstrably false. Second, you're assuming that everybody who can't afford children have abortions, which is also demonstrably false. All that leaves is reckless behavior -- which you admit by noting that it involves unprotected sex -- which brings me back to my point: The ONLY person not at fault in that arrangement is the child, so why make him (or her, because it's usually a girl being aborted) the victim? --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:887422657] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>And it's not the child's fault, so why is the child the victim in that scenario? </quote> That's not an answer to the question I asked at all. Please answer the question I asked before presenting a new topic of discussion. It's only polite.</quote> Because your "argument" is based on any number of faulty premises. First, you're assuming that everybody who has an abortion can't afford the baby, which is demonstrably false. Second, you're assuming that everybody who can't afford children have abortions, which is also demonstrably false. All that leaves is reckless behavior -- which you admit by noting that it involves unprotected sex -- which brings me back to my point: The ONLY person not at fault in that arrangement is the child, so why make him (or her, because it's usually a girl being aborted) the victim?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 09/27/17 11:27:59 PM #77:	Zeus posted... adjl posted... Zeus posted... And it's not the child's fault, so why is the child the victim in that scenario? That's not an answer to the question I asked at all. Please answer the question I asked before presenting a new topic of discussion. It's only polite. Because your "argument" is based on any number of faulty premises. First, you're assuming that everybody who has an abortion can't afford the baby, which is demonstrably false. Second, you're assuming that everybody who can't afford children have abortions, which is also demonstrably false. All that leaves is reckless behavior -- which you admit by noting that it involves unprotected sex -- which brings me back to my point: The ONLY person not at fault in that arrangement is the child, so why make him (or her, because it's usually a girl being aborted) the victim? Only a sith deals in absolutes. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:887423164] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>And it's not the child's fault, so why is the child the victim in that scenario? </quote> That's not an answer to the question I asked at all. Please answer the question I asked before presenting a new topic of discussion. It's only polite.</quote> Because your "argument" is based on any number of faulty premises. First, you're assuming that everybody who has an abortion can't afford the baby, which is demonstrably false. Second, you're assuming that everybody who can't afford children have abortions, which is also demonstrably false. All that leaves is reckless behavior -- which you admit by noting that it involves unprotected sex -- which brings me back to my point: The ONLY person not at fault in that arrangement is the child, so why make him (or her, because it's usually a girl being aborted) the victim?</quote> Only a sith deals in absolutes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 09/27/17 11:39:05 PM #78:	If you think unprotected sex is risky and reckless, why are you so adament that these risky and reckless people have children, especially when they additionally have expressed they don't want to have children? Seems pretty fucking stupid to me. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:887423770] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote>If you think unprotected sex is risky and reckless, why are you so adament that these risky and reckless people have children, especially when they additionally have expressed they don't want to have children? Seems pretty fucking stupid to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 09/28/17 12:40:50 AM #79:	adjl posted... Zeus posted... adjl posted... Zeus posted... And it's not the child's fault, so why is the child the victim in that scenario? That's not an answer to the question I asked at all. Please answer the question I asked before presenting a new topic of discussion. It's only polite. Because your "argument" is based on any number of faulty premises. First, you're assuming that everybody who has an abortion can't afford the baby, which is demonstrably false. Second, you're assuming that everybody who can't afford children have abortions, which is also demonstrably false. All that leaves is reckless behavior -- which you admit by noting that it involves unprotected sex -- which brings me back to my point: The ONLY person not at fault in that arrangement is the child, so why make him (or her, because it's usually a girl being aborted) the victim? Only a sith deals in absolutes. wah_wah_wah posted... If you think unprotected sex is risky and reckless, why are you so adament that these risky and reckless people have children, especially when they additionally have expressed they don't want to have children? Seems pretty fucking stupid to me. Then feel free to take the kid away afterward if they're truly awful people. However, it doesn't make much sense to kill the kid for the stupidity of her parents. More importantly, if you keep giving outs like that, it's only a matter of time before they catch a STD and the state winds up paying for the parent's care anyway. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:887426597] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>And it's not the child's fault, so why is the child the victim in that scenario? </quote> That's not an answer to the question I asked at all. Please answer the question I asked before presenting a new topic of discussion. It's only polite.</quote> Because your "argument" is based on any number of faulty premises. First, you're assuming that everybody who has an abortion can't afford the baby, which is demonstrably false. Second, you're assuming that everybody who can't afford children have abortions, which is also demonstrably false. All that leaves is reckless behavior -- which you admit by noting that it involves unprotected sex -- which brings me back to my point: The ONLY person not at fault in that arrangement is the child, so why make him (or her, because it's usually a girl being aborted) the victim?</quote> Only a sith deals in absolutes.</quote> <cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote>If you think unprotected sex is risky and reckless, why are you so adament that these risky and reckless people have children, especially when they additionally have expressed they don't want to have children? Seems pretty fucking stupid to me.</quote> Then feel free to take the kid away afterward if they're truly awful people. However, it doesn't make much sense to kill the kid for the stupidity of her parents. More importantly, if you keep giving outs like that, it's only a matter of time before they catch a STD and the state winds up paying for the parent's care anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bytor33 09/28/17 1:28:43 AM #80:	The earth is overpopulated. Abortions help control the population. Whatever beliefs you may or may not have are irrelevant. /topic <cite>bytor33 posted [p:887428467] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote>The earth is overpopulated. Abortions help control the population. Whatever beliefs you may or may not have are irrelevant. /topic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AllstarSniper32 09/28/17 4:56:19 AM #81:	wah_wah_wah posted... If you think unprotected sex is risky and reckless, why are you so adament that these risky and reckless people have children, especially when they additionally have expressed they don't want to have children? Seems pretty fucking stupid to me. It's because idiots think that a fetus is a child at the time of conception. Zeus posted... Then feel free to take the kid away afterward if they're truly awful people. Cause that's just a swell option. Foster care is always the best thing to happen to a kid. Yup, no doubts bout that! --- If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking systems, there would be a revolution before morning - Andrew Jackson <cite>AllstarSniper32 posted [p:887434306] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>wah_wah_wah posted...</cite> <quote>If you think unprotected sex is risky and reckless, why are you so adament that these risky and reckless people have children, especially when they additionally have expressed they don't want to have children? Seems pretty fucking stupid to me.</quote> It's because idiots think that a fetus is a child at the time of conception. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Then feel free to take the kid away afterward if they're truly awful people.</quote> Cause that's just a swell option. Foster care is always the best thing to happen to a kid. Yup, no doubts bout that!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yellow 09/28/17 5:04:28 AM #82:	AllstarSniper32 posted... Foster care is always the best thing to happen to a kid. Yup, no doubts bout that! Look, mommy loves you, just not full-time. She doesn't love you that much. <cite>Yellow posted [p:887434502] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>AllstarSniper32 posted...</cite> <quote>Foster care is always the best thing to happen to a kid. Yup, no doubts bout that!</quote> Look, mommy loves you, just not full-time. She doesn't love you that much.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AllstarSniper32 09/28/17 5:07:23 AM #83:	Yellow posted... AllstarSniper32 posted... Foster care is always the best thing to happen to a kid. Yup, no doubts bout that! Look, mommy loves you, just not full-time. She doesn't love you that much. "I need an abortion cause I'd be a terrible parent." "You can't do that, you have to have the kid so you don't get help from the government." "OK, I'll have the kid." Turns out to be a terrible parent so CPS takes the kid away and puts them in a foster home. Where do foster homes get money to take care of kids? Donations? --- If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking systems, there would be a revolution before morning - Andrew Jackson <cite>AllstarSniper32 posted [p:887434571] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Yellow posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AllstarSniper32 posted...</cite> <quote>Foster care is always the best thing to happen to a kid. Yup, no doubts bout that!</quote> Look, mommy loves you, just not full-time. She doesn't love you that much.</quote> "I need an abortion cause I'd be a terrible parent." "You can't do that, you have to have the kid so you don't get help from the government." "OK, I'll have the kid." Turns out to be a terrible parent so CPS takes the kid away and puts them in a foster home. Where do foster homes get money to take care of kids? Donations?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JosefuJustice11 09/28/17 5:21:44 AM #84:	A definite C regardless of the posts in this topic. Most people in this world are generally hypocrites. --- I felt like I was watching a dream I'd never wake up from... Before I knew it, the dream was all over. <cite>JosefuJustice11 posted [p:887434878] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote>A definite C regardless of the posts in this topic. Most people in this world are generally hypocrites.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 09/28/17 9:30:06 AM #85:	Zeus posted... Go on... AllstarSniper32 posted... Yellow posted... AllstarSniper32 posted... Foster care is always the best thing to happen to a kid. Yup, no doubts bout that! Look, mommy loves you, just not full-time. She doesn't love you that much. "I need an abortion cause I'd be a terrible parent." "You can't do that, you have to have the kid so you don't get help from the government." "OK, I'll have the kid." Turns out to be a terrible parent so CPS takes the kid away and puts them in a foster home. Where do foster homes get money to take care of kids? Donations? That's what ended up pushing me away from being pro-life. So many pro-lifers say "just put the kid up for adoption!" while having absolutely no intention of ever adopting a child or otherwise contributing to the foster care system to ensure any sort of quality of life for the children they want put into it. More so than failing to advocate for more child welfare services, that's what paints pro-lifers as hypocrites that don't actually give two craps about the child, and instead just want to see the woman punished for being a dirty sex-haver. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:887441190] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote></quote> Go on... <cite>AllstarSniper32 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Yellow posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AllstarSniper32 posted...</cite> <quote>Foster care is always the best thing to happen to a kid. Yup, no doubts bout that!</quote> Look, mommy loves you, just not full-time. She doesn't love you that much.</quote> "I need an abortion cause I'd be a terrible parent." "You can't do that, you have to have the kid so you don't get help from the government." "OK, I'll have the kid." Turns out to be a terrible parent so CPS takes the kid away and puts them in a foster home. Where do foster homes get money to take care of kids? Donations?</quote> That's what ended up pushing me away from being pro-life. So many pro-lifers say "just put the kid up for adoption!" while having absolutely no intention of ever adopting a child or otherwise contributing to the foster care system to ensure any sort of quality of life for the children they want put into it. More so than failing to advocate for more child welfare services, that's what paints pro-lifers as hypocrites that don't actually give two craps about the child, and instead just want to see the woman punished for being a dirty sex-haver.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wah_wah_wah 09/28/17 7:12:51 PM #87:	adjl posted... That's what ended up pushing me away from being pro-life. So many pro-lifers say "just put the kid up for adoption!" while having absolutely no intention of ever adopting a child or otherwise contributing to the foster care system to ensure any sort of quality of life for the children they want put into it. More so than failing to advocate for more child welfare services, that's what paints pro-lifers as hypocrites that don't actually give two craps about the child, and instead just want to see the woman punished for being a dirty sex-haver. Even the adoption argument is stupid and hypocritical. It ignores that care begins in pregnancy, not "afterwords"... when a woman agrees to have a baby, she is a mother right from the time that she is pregnant and not simply after the baby is born. It will require her to have access to doctor visits and whatever else. If she has already said she doesn't want to care for a fetus, they call her reckless and risky yet they're like "well have it anyway"... it's pretty f*ing dumb and hypocritical whatever way you try to slice it. <cite>wah_wah_wah posted [p:887471224] in Confirm or... [t:75806455]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>That's what ended up pushing me away from being pro-life. So many pro-lifers say "just put the kid up for adoption!" while having absolutely no intention of ever adopting a child or otherwise contributing to the foster care system to ensure any sort of quality of life for the children they want put into it. More so than failing to advocate for more child welfare services, that's what paints pro-lifers as hypocrites that don't actually give two craps about the child, and instead just want to see the woman punished for being a dirty sex-haver. </quote> Even the adoption argument is stupid and hypocritical. It ignores that care begins in pregnancy, not "afterwords"... when a woman agrees to have a baby, she is a mother right from the time that she is pregnant and not simply after the baby is born. It will require her to have access to doctor visits and whatever else. If she has already said she doesn't want to care for a fetus, they call her reckless and risky yet they're like "well have it anyway"... it's pretty f*ing dumb and hypocritical whatever way you try to slice it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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