Current Events > Friendly reminder that Francis Scott Key was a slave owner

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Why the fuck should anyone stand up and be proud of an Anthem written by a slave owner
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morals change over time. very few people in human history if ANYONE at all would stand up to 21st century morality. so your lesson is we should not honor anyone in history because they all did something bad

What aristocrat wasn't a slave owner back then? >_>
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and don't forget the third verse of the National Anthem

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battles confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has washd out their foul footsteps pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
Oer the land of the free and the home of the brave.

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Bagamak posted...

morals change over time

Yes indeed. Benjamin Franklin went from a slave owner to a stark abolitionist and we honor him as an abolitionist.

Francis Scott Key praises a land of the free while holding slaves
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boxington posted...

and don't forget the third verse of the National Anthem

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battles confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has washd out their foul footsteps pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
Oer the land of the free and the home of the brave.

oh no
it says slave
that means they were wholeheartedly endorsing slavery in the anthem and there isn't possibly any other meaning behind it.

Bagamak posted...

morals change over time. very few people in human history if ANYONE at all would stand up to 21st century morality. so your lesson is we should not honor anyone in history because they all did something bad

Even if we judge him by 18th/9th century standards there were plenty of people who thought owning slaves were bad during that time.
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Ted Nugent is a shit head but stranglehold is a classic. Who gives af.
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NeonOctopus posted...

What aristocrat wasn't a slave owner back then? >_>

Tyranoreal posted...

Yes indeed. Benjamin Franklin went from a slave owner to a stark abolitionist

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no it's basically talking about how runaway slaves couldn't hide, and that they'd eventually be killed

Edit: at post 6
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Tyranoreal posted...

Yes indeed. Benjamin Franklin went from a slave owner to a stark abolitionist and we honor him as an abolitionist.

I honor him as a pimp >_> Dude plowed tons of chicks and got drunk all the time lmao
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Hexenherz posted...

boxington posted...

and don't forget the third verse of the National Anthem

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battles confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has washd out their foul footsteps pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
Oer the land of the free and the home of the brave.

oh no
it says slave
that means they were wholeheartedly endorsing slavery in the anthem and there isn't possibly any other meaning behind it.

Many historians agree that it means slaves just as many don't so his interpretation isn't wrong

NeonOctopus posted...

Tyranoreal posted...

Yes indeed. Benjamin Franklin went from a slave owner to a stark abolitionist and we honor him as an abolitionist.

I honor him as a pimp >_> Dude plowed tons of chicks and got drunk all the time lmao

Yeah well if the entire country went off what you think of people we'd be fucked
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boxington posted...

no it's basically talking about how runaway slaves couldn't hide, and that they'd eventually be killed

Edit: at post 6

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/03/arts/music/colin-kaepernick-national-anthem.html?mcubz=3

Tyranoreal posted...

Yeah well if the entire country went off what you think of people we'd be fucking

Fix'd
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Hexenherz posted...

boxington posted...

no it's basically talking about how runaway slaves couldn't hide, and that they'd eventually be killed

Edit: at post 6

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/03/arts/music/colin-kaepernick-national-anthem.html?mcubz=3

so it's basically saying that the British couldn't help slaves.

doesn't make it any better.
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boxington posted...

Hexenherz posted...

boxington posted...

no it's basically talking about how runaway slaves couldn't hide, and that they'd eventually be killed

Edit: at post 6

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/03/arts/music/colin-kaepernick-national-anthem.html?mcubz=3

so it's basically saying that the British couldn't help slaves.

doesn't make it any better.

It was saying that the Brits took advantage of slaves... Regardless, it's not a song that glorified slavery and if anything it portrays the plight of those who were in an even further reduced capacity to help themselves. "Terror of flight and gloom of the grave" don't sound like pleasant descriptions for their fate.

dude, it's a slave owner who made an anthem saying that runaway slaves would be killed. not because they ran to the British.

it's saying that even if they run to the British, it won't save them. not only because they ran to them.
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