Current Events > Americans died fighting Confederates and many more died fighting Nazis.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Nazs/KKK rallies to defend Confederate monuments to slavery - Freedom of Speech!!

NFL player's silent protests by kneeling instead of sitting down - How fucking dare they show such disrespect to our flag and the people who died fighting to defend this country!! How dare they disrespect President Trump! (by the way it's totally ok for Trump to disrespect them at his campaign rallies) Fire them! Fire them all!!
---

Is anybody saying kneeling should be banned and made illegal? I thought they were just saying how disrespectful it is
---

Are you actually surprised? "Conservatives are hypocrites" is not exactly a fresh take.
---

You tried.
---

don't forget how many died fighting communists

This topic hasn't been beaten to death at all.

Players say America isn't great? Fire them all!

Trump says America isn't great? Elect him President!
---

people get upset when minorities speak up against their precious sacred flag that they wear on their underwear and shitty beer cans
---

You tried tc. But there's a difference between a few wannabe supremacists who are nobodies, compared to athletes who are influential and disrespecting the flag in front of millions upon millions of people.

Btw which side said again that freedom of speech doesn't protect you from consequences?
---

How stupid that first statement is: "americans died fighting confederates" as if TC has no notion of what a civil war is and implying confederates as non-american
---

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

You tried tc. But there's a difference between a few wannabe supremacists who are nobodies, compared to athletes who are influential and disrespecting the flag in front of millions upon millions of people.

Can someone tell how they are "disrespecting the flag" by kneeling?
---

More Americans died fighting the Confederates than the Nazis

Just saying
---

Bishop9800 posted...

Can someone tell how they our "disrespecting the flag" by kneeling?

Because they're black.
---

Bishop9800 posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

You tried tc. But there's a difference between a few wannabe supremacists who are nobodies, compared to athletes who are influential and disrespecting the flag in front of millions upon millions of people.

Can someone tell how they are "disrespecting the flag" by kneeling?

If this has to be explained to you, then you're clueless about what flags represent.

Sorry but you are.
---

BLAKUboy posted...

Bishop9800 posted...

Can someone tell how they our "disrespecting the flag" by kneeling?

Because they're black.

Lol keep telling yourself that.
---

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

If this has to be explained to you, then you're clueless about what flags represent.

Sorry but you are

So in other words, you can't. Gotcha.
---

they're not kneeling to disrespect the flag, though, but to bring attention to whatever cause they're championing
---

Bishop9800 posted...

So in other words, you can't. Gotcha.

Can't even justify his own racism. Sad!
---

Phantom_Nook posted...

Players say America isn't great? Fire them all!

Trump says America isn't great? Elect him President!

My favorite is when he held a rally in Iowa and said "How stupid are the people of Iowa??". That would have been a controversy had Obummer or Killary said it.
---

Bishop9800 posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

If this has to be explained to you, then you're clueless about what flags represent.

Sorry but you are

So in other words, you can't. Gotcha.

So you're seriously going to double down in ignorance and act like a flag doesn't represent anything? It's just cloth right?

Would you like me to also explain to you what the Nazi flag represents?
---

HylianFox posted...

More Americans died fighting the Confederates than the Nazis

Just saying

My mistake, I'm on mobile and noticed the part of the graph for total population instead of military deaths right next to it.
---

It's alarming that people in this country are getting so up in arms about peaceful nonviolent protest. Seems to me like they just don't want any dissent at all.
---

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

So you're seriously going to double down in ignorance and act like a flag doesn't represent anything? It's just cloth right?

Would you like me to also explain to you why the Nazi symbol is bad?

I'm not "doubling down" anything. All I asked was "how are they disrespecting the flag" by kneeling?" Now if you cant answer the question, then let someone answer else answer it instead of throwing out bullshit.
---

I dunno but I remember CE being a trainwreck over all of these issues pretty much equally.
---

It should be noted that those kneeling are protesting police brutality, not the flag, the troops, whathaveyou
---

Bishop9800 posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

So you're seriously going to double down in ignorance and act like a flag doesn't represent anything? It's just cloth right?

Would you like me to also explain to you why the Nazi symbol is bad?

I'm not "doubling down" anything. All I asked was "how are they disrespecting the flag" by kneeling?" Now if you cant answer the question, then let someone answer else answer it instead of throwing out bullshit.

Of course you're not. Kneeling for the anthem in front of the flag as well is disrespectful to all our values and sacrifices that had to be made to make and keep America the greatest and most free country in the world.

You might disagree that it's disrespectful, but many Americans do feel that it is. This whole issue is an opinion, there are no facts. Some might have the opinion that kneeling is ok, and others might have the opinion that kneeling is disrespectful to our country because of what our anthem and flag represents.

It's that simple.
---

everyone is being such a little bitch about this, what a train-wreck
---

It should be noted that those kneeling are protesting police brutality, not the flag, the troops, whathaveyou

Which is honestly what confuses me. Did they just pick something out of a hat? Was it very nearly "lie on the floor at the deli" instead of "kneel during the national anthem?"

Or does it actually have something to do with the flag, the troops, whathaveyou afterall?
---

MC_BatCommander posted...

It's alarming that people in this country are getting so up in arms about peaceful nonviolent protest. Seems to me like they just don't want any dissent at all.

It's wrong to protest in the streets
It's wrong to protest in tweets
It's wrong to protest on the field
It's wrong to protest if you kneel
It's also wrong to kneel if you're a successful entertainer (like Stevie Wonder)
Bottom line is, if you're black just shut up and be grateful.
---

Bishop9800 posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

You tried tc. But there's a difference between a few wannabe supremacists who are nobodies, compared to athletes who are influential and disrespecting the flag in front of millions upon millions of people.

Can someone tell how they are "disrespecting the flag" by kneeling?

They're disrespecting the flag because the flag represents freedom. In this instance, that particular freedom means that you're free to do what conservatives tell you to do. You're being disrespectful for making conservatives examine just what it means to have freedom. The freedom of speech and the freedom of expression are the cornerstones of our democracy. So express yourself with unbridled loyalty and be free to speak nothing but exalting praise. This is why Trump won, to make America great again. Those NFL players are showing him disrespect for wanting to enact social and institutional changes, as if America wasn't an amazing nation already.
---

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Of course you're not. Kneeling for the anthem in front of the flag as well is disrespectful to all our values and sacrifices that had to be made to make and keep America the greatest and most free country in the world.

You might disagree that it's disrespectful, but many Americans do. This whole issue is an opinion, there are no facts. Some might have the opinion that kneeling is ok, and others might have the opinion that kneeling is disrespectful to our country because of what our anthem and flag represents.

Please show me where it's "disrespectful to kneel in front of the flag. Go on. Please show it to me. Also, I guess kneeling in front of a grave site of a love one is disrespectful. What about kneeling in front of a alter? Is that showing signs of disrespectfulness?

I'm sure you realize that there's this piece of paper that says people can kneel for the flag. It's called THE CONSTITUTION. That gives anyone the right to say and do want they feel. Plus it's says that I don't have to stand for no flag or anthem. But keep having a hive mind and go along with what everybody else is saying.
---

Seeing the same people that loved to yell "freedom of speech not freedom from consequences!" now be upset that there are consequences.
---

VectorChaos posted...

Seeing the same people that loved to yell "freedom of speech not freedom from consequences!" now be upset that there are consequences.

The people yelling that were pretty clear that everything is OK as long as those consequences aren't coming from the government. It becomes a different discussion entirely when the president of the country is telling people to fire their employees for expressing themselves within the realm of the first amendment.
---

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Kneeling for the anthem in front of the flag as well is disrespectful to all our values

Elaborate here. Which values are you talking about?
---

A_Good_Boy posted...

VectorChaos posted...

Seeing the same people that loved to yell "freedom of speech not freedom from consequences!" now be upset that there are consequences.

The people yelling that were pretty clear that everything is OK as long as those consequences aren't coming from the government. It becomes a different discussion entirely when the president of the country is telling people to fire their employees for expressing themselves within the realm of the first amendment.

Does the NFL answer to Chester Cheato or themselves?
---

A_Good_Boy posted...

Bishop9800 posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

You tried tc. But there's a difference between a few wannabe supremacists who are nobodies, compared to athletes who are influential and disrespecting the flag in front of millions upon millions of people.

Can someone tell how they are "disrespecting the flag" by kneeling?

They're disrespecting the flag because the flag represents freedom. In this instance, that particular freedom means that you're free to do what conservatives tell you to do. You're being disrespectful for making conservatives examine just what it means to have freedom. The freedom of speech and the freedom of expression are the cornerstones of our democracy. So express yourself with unbridled loyalty and be free to speak nothing but exalting praise. This is why Trump won, to make America great again. Those NFL players are showing him disrespect for wanting to enact social and institutional changes, as if America wasn't an amazing nation already.

"Freedom of speech doesn't protect you from consequences".

Isn't that the message today? Do your protests all you want. Kneel all you want. And understand that other people who don't agree with you have the same freedom as you to criticize you.

What's so hard to understand about that?
---

Bishop9800 posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Of course you're not. Kneeling for the anthem in front of the flag as well is disrespectful to all our values and sacrifices that had to be made to make and keep America the greatest and most free country in the world.

You might disagree that it's disrespectful, but many Americans do. This whole issue is an opinion, there are no facts. Some might have the opinion that kneeling is ok, and others might have the opinion that kneeling is disrespectful to our country because of what our anthem and flag represents.

Please show me where it's "disrespectful to kneel in front of the flag. Go on. Please show it to me. Also, I guess kneeling in front of a grave site of a love one is disrespectful. What about kneeling in front of a alter? Is that showing signs of disrespectfulness?

I'm sure you realize that there's this piece of paper that says people can kneel for the flag. It's called THE CONSTITUTION. That gives anyone the right to say and do want they feel. Plus it's says that I don't have to stand for no flag or anthem. But keep having a hive mind and go along with what everybody else is saying.

Why are you purposefully missing the point? It's tradition to stand for the anthem and flag and keep your head high. It's a show of respect for your country, it's citizens, it's values, and all those who sacrificed to protect our freedoms. There's no tradition to stand in front of graveyards with your hand on your heart. You're just picking random things now to make a point.

Also I mentioned opinion. O.P.I.N.I.O.N.

You don't care, others do. Simple.
---

"In this great land, the government does not get to tell you what to think or what to say." - Jeff Sessions, September 26, 2017
Also Jeff Sessions that same day: I condemn blacks exercising their right of free speech.
---

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Why are you purposefully missing the point? It's tradition to stand for the anthem and flag and keep your head high. It's a show of respect for your country, it's citizens, it's values, and all those who sacrificed to protect our freedoms. There's no tradition to stand in front of graveyards with your hand on your heart. You're just picking random things now to make a point.

I'm not missing the point. I asked a simple question. You the one who can't answer straight. Kneeling is a sign of respect and sorrow. But since you want to talk about "tradition", let me ask you this. Do you stand for the Anthem when you're at home? When the Anthem is playing on the radio, do you stop your car and get on the middle of the street and place your hand over your heart? And yes, some people stand in front of a grave with their hand over their heart. Go to Arlington national cemetery. You will see it all the time.
---

BLAKUboy posted...

"In this great land, the government does not get to tell you what to think or what to say." - Jeff Sessions, September 26, 2017
Also Jeff Sessions that same day: I condemn blacks exercising their right of free speech.

The government isn't telling people what to do. Show me some laws that force Americans to stand for the anthem and flag.

You guys are just mad that you're getting criticised and you can't handle it.
---

VectorChaos posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

VectorChaos posted...

Seeing the same people that loved to yell "freedom of speech not freedom from consequences!" now be upset that there are consequences.

The people yelling that were pretty clear that everything is OK as long as those consequences aren't coming from the government. It becomes a different discussion entirely when the president of the country is telling people to fire their employees for expressing themselves within the realm of the first amendment.

Does the NFL answer to Chester Cheato or themselves?

In your imagination I guess the president using the bully pulpit in order to influence others to diminish freedoms is just a non issue. The real problem is dem liherals firing neo-nazis.
---

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

BLAKUboy posted...

"In this great land, the government does not get to tell you what to think or what to say." - Jeff Sessions, September 26, 2017
Also Jeff Sessions that same day: I condemn blacks exercising their right of free speech.

The government isn't telling people what to do. Show me some laws that force Americans to stand for the anthem and flag.

You guys are just mad that you're getting criticised and you can't handle it.

And now you've given up on your own argument and are attempting to hastily cobble together some point that you don't even understand. Cute.
---

Bishop9800 posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Why are you purposefully missing the point? It's tradition to stand for the anthem and flag and keep your head high. It's a show of respect for your country, it's citizens, it's values, and all those who sacrificed to protect our freedoms. There's no tradition to stand in front of graveyards with your hand on your heart. You're just picking random things now to make a point.

I'm not missing the point.

Ok well then at least agree it's all am opinion. The reality is that for people in America, our flag represents so much to us. It's the most important flag on the world stage.

And while yes you have the freedom and right to kneel in front of the flag or during our anthem instead of holding your head high as is tradition to show patriotism, other people will see that as disrespectful.

It's all opinion.
---

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

The government isn't telling people what to do. Show me some laws that force Americans to stand for the anthem and flag.

So since there's not laws forcing people to stand for the flag and anthem, then what's the problem? Cause they are kneeling?
---

Kazi1212 posted...

Is anybody saying kneeling should be banned and made illegal? I thought they were just saying how disrespectful it is

President said the SOBs should be FIRED!

I didnt hear him say white supremacists or people waving confederate flags should be fired from their jobs... in fact it took him days to say anything at all... and there are good people on both sides...
---

Conservatives: "Those brown people should fix their own country instead of coming here!"
Also Conservatives: "If that brown football player doesn't like this country he can go somewhere else!"
---

A_Good_Boy posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

BLAKUboy posted...

"In this great land, the government does not get to tell you what to think or what to say." - Jeff Sessions, September 26, 2017
Also Jeff Sessions that same day: I condemn blacks exercising their right of free speech.

The government isn't telling people what to do. Show me some laws that force Americans to stand for the anthem and flag.

You guys are just mad that you're getting criticised and you can't handle it.

And now you've given up on your own argument and are attempting to hastily cobble together some point that you don't even understand. Cute.

I stand firm by my argument. Your whole argument is nothing but complaining about that you're receiving criticism.

Nobody in the government is acting like you broke the law and need to be arrested. You're just being criticised. That is all.
---

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Bishop9800 posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

If this has to be explained to you, then you're clueless about what flags represent.

Sorry but you are

So in other words, you can't. Gotcha.

So you're seriously going to double down in ignorance and act like a flag doesn't represent anything? It's just cloth right?

Would you like me to also explain to you what the Nazi flag represents?

Dude the NFL, NBA, MLB and just about every other sports league has been disrespecting the flag on a daily basis for decades, but you get mad about some players kneeling?
---

Should also be noted Sessions tried a woman for giggling at his confirmation hearing, and now plans to retry her after the conviction was thrown out.
---

Actually more died fighting Confederates... like at least 300,000 more.
---