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sutree 10/01/17 7:08:47 PM #1:	Does Catalonia have a right to secede from Spain? Yes No View Results https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Spanish_constitutional_crisis --- It's just that bird law in this country-- it's not governed by reason http://i.imgur.com/J0qoWIu.jpg <cite>sutree posted [p:887629804] in Does Catal... [t:75834077]...</cite> <quote> Does Catalonia have a right to secede from Spain? Yes No View Results https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Spanish_constitutional_crisis</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CircleOfManias 10/01/17 7:15:40 PM #2:	Honestly, I don't know. Secession is always a colossal clusterfuck, but the arguments for secession are pretty strong. I'd have to do more research to be able to say. Do they have the right? Obviously. Consent of the governed is a cornerstone of what makes modern society actually work. Should they secede? Hard to say. --- Sick liaisons raise this monumental mark The sun sets forever over Blackwater Park <cite>CircleOfManias posted [p:887630229] in Does Catal... [t:75834077]...</cite> <quote>Honestly, I don't know. Secession is always a colossal clusterfuck, but the arguments for secession are pretty strong. I'd have to do more research to be able to say. Do they have the right? Obviously. Consent of the governed is a cornerstone of what makes modern society actually work. Should they secede? Hard to say.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sutree 10/01/17 7:18:29 PM #3:	CircleOfManias posted... Do they have the right? Obviously. How is that obvious? Did the southern states in American Civil War have an obvious right to secede as well? --- It's just that bird law in this country-- it's not governed by reason http://i.imgur.com/J0qoWIu.jpg <cite>sutree posted [p:887630389] in Does Catal... [t:75834077]...</cite> <quote><cite>CircleOfManias posted...</cite> <quote>Do they have the right? Obviously.</quote> How is that obvious? Did the southern states in American Civil War have an obvious right to secede as well?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CircleOfManias 10/01/17 7:21:56 PM #4:	sutree posted... CircleOfManias posted... Do they have the right? Obviously. How is that obvious? Did the southern states in American Civil War have an obvious right to secede as well? The South didn't choose to peacefully secede with a referendum, they opened fire on US troops at Ft. Sumter. --- Sick liaisons raise this monumental mark The sun sets forever over Blackwater Park <cite>CircleOfManias posted [p:887630599] in Does Catal... [t:75834077]...</cite> <quote><cite>sutree posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CircleOfManias posted...</cite> <quote>Do they have the right? Obviously.</quote> How is that obvious? Did the southern states in American Civil War have an obvious right to secede as well?</quote> The South didn't choose to peacefully secede with a referendum, they opened fire on US troops at Ft. Sumter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlternativeFAQS 10/01/17 7:22:56 PM #5:	sutree posted... CircleOfManias posted... Do they have the right? Obviously. How is that obvious? Did the southern states in American Civil War have an obvious right to secede as well? you need a history book <cite>AlternativeFAQS posted [p:887630663] in Does Catal... [t:75834077]...</cite> <quote><cite>sutree posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CircleOfManias posted...</cite> <quote>Do they have the right? Obviously.</quote> How is that obvious? Did the southern states in American Civil War have an obvious right to secede as well?</quote> you need a history book</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarlGrimes 10/01/17 7:23:26 PM #6:	CircleOfManias posted... sutree posted... CircleOfManias posted... Do they have the right? Obviously. How is that obvious? Did the southern states in American Civil War have an obvious right to secede as well? The South didn't choose to peacefully secede with a referendum, they opened fire on US troops at Ft. Sumter. Yes, they just jumped right to the fighting. --- You'll get a funeral if you don't wise up and call me....Carl Poppa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9aM9Ch97U8 <cite>CarlGrimes posted [p:887630696] in Does Catal... [t:75834077]...</cite> <quote><cite>CircleOfManias posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sutree posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CircleOfManias posted...</cite> <quote>Do they have the right? Obviously.</quote> How is that obvious? Did the southern states in American Civil War have an obvious right to secede as well?</quote> The South didn't choose to peacefully secede with a referendum, they opened fire on US troops at Ft. Sumter.</quote> Yes, they just jumped right to the fighting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crazyman93 10/01/17 7:26:20 PM #7:	CircleOfManias posted... The South didn't choose to peacefully secede with a referendum, they opened fire on US troops at Ft. Sumter. Actually they voted to secede and then used state forces to start booting Federal ones out. Not that that changes the end result. --- let's lubricate friction material! ~nickels, Cars & Trucks <cite>Crazyman93 posted [p:887630864] in Does Catal... [t:75834077]...</cite> <quote><cite>CircleOfManias posted...</cite> <quote>The South didn't choose to peacefully secede with a referendum, they opened fire on US troops at Ft. Sumter. </quote> Actually they voted to secede and then used state forces to start booting Federal ones out. Not that that changes the end result.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sutree 10/01/17 7:32:02 PM #8:	CircleOfManias posted... sutree posted... CircleOfManias posted... Do they have the right? Obviously. How is that obvious? Did the southern states in American Civil War have an obvious right to secede as well? The South didn't choose to peacefully secede with a referendum, they opened fire on US troops at Ft. Sumter. The Battle of Ft. Sumter occurred four months after South Carolina declared its secession and Union troops refused to leave. --- It's just that bird law in this country-- it's not governed by reason http://i.imgur.com/J0qoWIu.jpg <cite>sutree posted [p:887631205] in Does Catal... [t:75834077]...</cite> <quote><cite>CircleOfManias posted...</cite> <quote><cite>sutree posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CircleOfManias posted...</cite> <quote>Do they have the right? Obviously.</quote> How is that obvious? Did the southern states in American Civil War have an obvious right to secede as well?</quote> The South didn't choose to peacefully secede with a referendum, they opened fire on US troops at Ft. Sumter.</quote> The Battle of Ft. Sumter occurred four months after South Carolina declared its secession and Union troops refused to leave.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 10/01/17 7:35:20 PM #9:	I'm skeptical of nationalist movements as a rule, but the Spanish government is doing a wonderful job of justifying Catalan efforts. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:887631373] in Does Catal... [t:75834077]...</cite> <quote>I'm skeptical of nationalist movements as a rule, but the Spanish government is doing a wonderful job of justifying Catalan efforts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hey 10/01/17 7:39:06 PM #10:	I can't see why any country would let a part of it secede. --- You betta watch out, you betta not cry, you betta not pout im telling you why Here we go Steelers, here we go, Pittsburghs goin to the Super Bowl! Hey Day 5-10 <cite>Hey posted [p:887631579] in Does Catal... [t:75834077]...</cite> <quote>I can't see why any country would let a part of it secede.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doe 10/01/17 7:42:30 PM #12:	The idea that the people do not have a right to secede from their government is tyrannical. --- http://i.imgur.com/iwo6yR9.jpg http://i.imgur.com/uqXNtk6.jpg <cite>Doe posted [p:887631769] in Does Catal... [t:75834077]...</cite> <quote>The idea that the people do not have a right to secede from their government is tyrannical.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vicious_Dios 10/01/17 7:46:24 PM #13:	Ugh... I really don't want to learn the name of another small ass shitty country in Europe. --- S / K / Y / N / E Twitch/YouTube/GT: *Adzeta* <cite>Vicious_Dios posted [p:887631988] in Does Catal... [t:75834077]...</cite> <quote>Ugh... I really don't want to learn the name of another small ass shitty country in Europe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sutree 10/01/17 7:47:36 PM #14:	Doe posted... The idea that the people do not have a right to secede from their government is tyrannical. Why? --- It's just that bird law in this country-- it's not governed by reason http://i.imgur.com/J0qoWIu.jpg <cite>sutree posted [p:887632051] in Does Catal... [t:75834077]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doe posted...</cite> <quote>The idea that the people do not have a right to secede from their government is tyrannical.</quote> Why?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 10/01/17 7:49:37 PM #15:	sutree posted... Doe posted... The idea that the people do not have a right to secede from their government is tyrannical. Why? The government should serve the people and be by the people. If the government is shitty enough that a massive portion of the country is telling it to fuck off and the government responds by trying to silence them, I don't see how that is not tyranny. --- http://i.imgur.com/iwo6yR9.jpg http://i.imgur.com/uqXNtk6.jpg <cite>Doe posted [p:887632173] in Does Catal... [t:75834077]...</cite> <quote><cite>sutree posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doe posted...</cite> <quote>The idea that the people do not have a right to secede from their government is tyrannical.</quote> Why?</quote> The government should serve the people and be by the people. If the government is shitty enough that a massive portion of the country is telling it to fuck off and the government responds by trying to silence them, I don't see how that is not tyranny.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 10/01/17 7:55:25 PM #16:	Modern secessionism is usually a disease that should be gently repressed. Self-determination is a useful ideal, and in many cases justified, but the modern European version in which every backwater that speaks a slightly different dialect wants to form a new country, throwing international order and commerce into disarray is not the right answer. These people are not being systematically denied their rights nor representation. --- It will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. \| I did not come to bring peace to the earth, but the sword. -Jesus <cite>Callixtus posted [p:887632482] in Does Catal... [t:75834077]...</cite> <quote>Modern secessionism is usually a disease that should be gently repressed. Self-determination is a useful ideal, and in many cases justified, but the modern European version in which every backwater that speaks a slightly different dialect wants to form a new country, throwing international order and commerce into disarray is not the right answer. These people are not being systematically denied their rights nor representation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 10/01/17 7:57:23 PM #17:	Callixtus posted... Modern secessionism is usually a disease that should be gently repressed. Self-determination is a useful ideal, and in many cases justified, but the modern European version in which every backwater that speaks a slightly different dialect wants to form a new country, throwing international order and commerce into disarray is not the right answer. These people are not being systematically denied their rights nor representation. that's not for you to decide --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:887632573] in Does Catal... [t:75834077]...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Modern secessionism is usually a disease that should be gently repressed. Self-determination is a useful ideal, and in many cases justified, but the modern European version in which every backwater that speaks a slightly different dialect wants to form a new country, throwing international order and commerce into disarray is not the right answer. These people are not being systematically denied their rights nor representation.</quote> that's not for you to decide</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 10/01/17 7:58:10 PM #18:	I really don't know enough about the situation to have an opinion, but Antifar posted... I'm skeptical of nationalist movements as a rule, but the Spanish government is doing a wonderful job of justifying Catalan efforts. That lol. --- http://i.imgur.com/MS5SvzN.gif https://i.imgur.com/ahQpG57.jpg <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:887632614] in Does Catal... [t:75834077]...</cite> <quote>I really don't know enough about the situation to have an opinion, but <cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>I'm skeptical of nationalist movements as a rule, but the Spanish government is doing a wonderful job of justifying Catalan efforts.</quote> That lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 10/01/17 7:58:41 PM #19:	Spain's interest in catalonia not seceding extends past catalonia. Basque country and possibly others like galicia would have a precedent to secede and iberia could end up like the balkans I don't particularly care either way on whether catalonia secedes or not tbh --- Hey what's going on in this thread http://i.imgur.com/6fpKRW8.gif http://i.imgur.com/RNZi0gk.gif <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:887632633] in Does Catal... [t:75834077]...</cite> <quote>Spain's interest in catalonia not seceding extends past catalonia. Basque country and possibly others like galicia would have a precedent to secede and iberia could end up like the balkans I don't particularly care either way on whether catalonia secedes or not tbh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CatataFish462 10/01/17 7:59:31 PM #20:	Yes, they deserve the right to better themselves. --- I am the Catata Fish Posted using GameFlux <cite>CatataFish462 posted [p:887632669] in Does Catal... [t:75834077]...</cite> <quote>Yes, they deserve the right to better themselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Callixtus 10/01/17 8:05:27 PM #21:	averagejoel posted... Callixtus posted... Modern secessionism is usually a disease that should be gently repressed. Self-determination is a useful ideal, and in many cases justified, but the modern European version in which every backwater that speaks a slightly different dialect wants to form a new country, throwing international order and commerce into disarray is not the right answer. These people are not being systematically denied their rights nor representation. that's not for you to decide Actually it's pretty easy to objectively discover whether a group is being systematically denied rights or representation, ie taxation without representation leading to the American Revolution was an objective state of reality. Is there any reason to think that they are suffering from something of that nature? --- It will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. \| I did not come to bring peace to the earth, but the sword. -Jesus <cite>Callixtus posted [p:887632996] in Does Catal... [t:75834077]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Callixtus posted...</cite> <quote>Modern secessionism is usually a disease that should be gently repressed. Self-determination is a useful ideal, and in many cases justified, but the modern European version in which every backwater that speaks a slightly different dialect wants to form a new country, throwing international order and commerce into disarray is not the right answer. These people are not being systematically denied their rights nor representation.</quote> that's not for you to decide</quote> Actually it's pretty easy to objectively discover whether a group is being systematically denied rights or representation, ie taxation without representation leading to the American Revolution was an objective state of reality. Is there any reason to think that they are suffering from something of that nature?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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